[00:30] <markit> mmmm Marius80 never come back... maybe his installation of kde from lubuntu did not worked very well
[00:30] <markit> or so well that did not needed further help
[00:37] <Marius80> re
[00:37] <Marius80> markit?
[00:37] <Marius80> jEhrichs?
[00:38] <markit> Marius80: ehi!
[00:38] <Marius80> I got KDE4 to run now...  how did you guys upgrade to  KDE 4.10 by using the backports?
[00:38] <markit> you still alive?
[00:38] <markit> on 12.10 you mean?
[00:38] <Marius80> yes I am,  sorry had to restart and install gnome and kde ...
[00:38] <Marius80> 12.10 is the number of  kubuntu
[00:38] <markit> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.90
[00:38] <Marius80> I am talking about KDE 4.10
[00:39] <markit> follow that instructions
[00:39] <markit> (I always do from shell, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade)
[00:39] <Marius80> thank you markit, sounds to be easy
[00:39] <markit> be prepared to download a lot of packets again ;P
[00:40] <Marius80> and you are sure that this will not break anything?
[00:40] <Marius80> markit:  what is the main difference between KDE 4.9.3 and KDE 4.10 Beta 2  ?
[00:41] <Marius80> I still hope to get the bugs  in "krunner" and the "task manager" solved
[00:41] <markit> Marius80: you will got 4.9.90 that is the code name for 4.10beta2, it's the same
[00:42] <Marius80> can I upgrade to the next version of KDE after I have done the upgrade or will I mess up dependencies?
[00:43] <Marius80> for example when KDE 4.11 comes out
[00:47] <Marius80> markit?
[00:47] <markit> once 4.10 will be released, you'd better remove that beta repository
[00:47] <Marius80> and then it will install without any problems then?
[00:47] <markit> yep, because of the version number
[00:47] <markit> that's why is called 4.9.10
[00:48] <markit> so 4.10 is bigger and pushes it out
[00:48] <Marius80> cool :)))
[00:48] <markit> then probably you will have to add ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[00:48] <Marius80> markit: sorry for bothering you,  1 more thing please
[00:48] <markit> or you already should
[00:48] <markit> I'm a debian guy, use kubuntu for LTSP and school and a netbook only
[00:48] <Marius80> ppa:kubuntu-ppa  by now?
[00:48] <markit> yes, feel free to add right now
[00:49] <Marius80> ok
[00:49] <markit> will not hurt, would install 4.9.4 but since you added the beta repo, it will not
[00:49] <markit> again 4.9.90 is bigger than 4.9.4 now ;P
[00:49] <Marius80> what I really concern about:  will 4.9.90  resolv any bugs?  This would be the only reason for me to upgrade
[00:50] <Marius80> there are 2 really bad bugs I dislike
[00:50] <markit> well, is still beta so could bring more bugs than it solves
[00:50] <Marius80> hum...
[00:50] <Marius80> you use it right now, right?
[00:51] <markit> at the moment I'm on debian, and my netbook is in bedroom and wife is sleeping
[00:51] <Marius80> k I see
[00:51] <Marius80> so I will do the following now:
[00:51] <Marius80> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[00:51] <markit> but I've a live cd of 13.04 that has 4.10beta installed
[00:51] <Marius80> and
[00:51] <Marius80> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[00:51] <Marius80> (without beta)
[00:51] <FloodBotK1> Marius80: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:51] <markit> yes Marius80, then sudo apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:51] <Marius80> where did you get the 13.04 from?!
[00:52] <markit> Marius80: never been on www.kubuntu.org? :) in any case I've got from a daily build, hold on
[00:52] <markit> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:53] <markit> like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.iso
[00:53] <markit> 931 MBù
[00:53] <Marius80> cool :)
[00:53] <Marius80> I should have used this one :)
[00:53] <markit> if you are looking for stability, absolutely NO
[00:56] <Marius80> well,  dist-upgrade is running...
[00:57] <markit> then you can tell me if you see the same issue I'm facing
[00:57] <markit> with plasmoid and transparency
[00:57] <markit> http://imagebin.org/240703
[00:59] <Marius80> okay I will as soon as it has been installed
[01:00] <Marius80> btw. aptitude and apt-get are doing interesting stuff again
[01:00] <Marius80> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u9N0ZMp5
[01:09] <markit> let's see
[01:09] <OerHeks> !aptitude
[01:10] <markit> Marius80: I usually use aptitude, but seems that the trend is to drop it
[01:10] <markit> Marius80: go ahead without fear
[01:10] <markit> just aptitude was more capable to find obsolete packages
[01:11] <markit> btw, 2.10 am here, going to sleep in a short period, I hope
[01:11] <OerHeks> If you run kubuntu 32 bit you'll be fine with aptitude
[01:11] <markit> OerHeks: do you know why aptitude has not evolved? I do love it's "aptitude hold" feature
[01:13] <markit> anyone can tell me in this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMoGu81EEI at 0.56 time, what sort of plasmoid is that on the upper right where he is dropping icons?
[01:13] <OerHeks> i hope they are working on it
[01:17] <Marius80> markit: sorry for my late response:  We live in the same time zone...
[01:17] <Marius80> markit: KDE 4 is not installed,  so I cannot tell you about the bug this moment
[01:17] <markit> Marius80: and maybe you are italian too? ;P
[01:18] <Marius80> sono austriaco :)
[01:18] <markit> oh, I'm near the border with Osterreich
[01:18] <Marius80> from where exactly?
[01:19] <Marius80> I've got family in italy
[01:19] <markit> it's a secret, I tell you in private chat :P
[01:19]  * markit hates irc logs
[01:44] <Marius80> re
[01:44] <Marius80> markit?
[01:44] <Marius80> I should not have done that
[01:44] <markit> hi Marius80
[01:44] <Marius80> did not solve anything,  only gave me a bundle of new problems
[01:44] <Marius80> how can I reproduce your problem?
[01:44] <markit> just open a terminal full screen
[01:45] <Marius80> done
[01:45] <Marius80> and then?
[01:45] <markit> the open activities and see if background is transparent
[01:45] <Marius80> everything looks good here
[01:45] <markit> so you can't read properly the content, or just open the calendar at the right  botton
[01:45] <Marius80> can you give me the adress of your screenshot again?=
[01:45] <markit> http://imagebin.org/240703
[01:46] <Marius80> no, everything looks great here
[01:46] <markit> ok, I'm much happier
[01:46] <Marius80> do you need any screenshots as a proove?
[01:46] <markit> are you sure you are running kde 4.9.90?
[01:46] <markit> Marius80: I trust you :)
[01:47] <Marius80> Platform Version 4.9.95
[01:47] <markit> fine :)
[01:47] <Marius80> I can describe it:
[01:47] <Marius80> the calender is open at this moment
[01:47] <markit> maybe is some old config of my user that created the mess, or the video driver
[01:47] <Marius80> I click on activities
[01:47] <Marius80> now the activities stuff is open,  and covers half of the calender
[01:47] <Marius80> the calender is half blurred in the back
[01:48] <Marius80> the rest is visible normally
[01:48] <Marius80> the window in the back is also blurred
[01:48] <Marius80> exactly how it has to be
[01:48] <markit> but do you have a black background in teh activities?
[01:48] <Marius80> so your bug is not reproduceable
[01:48] <Marius80> no, it's "milky"
[01:48] <markit> great
[01:49] <markit> and you installed from scratch, right?
[01:49] <Marius80> I installed "Lubuntu" from new (no upgrade;  it was a new installation)
[01:50] <Marius80> (kinda 4 hours ago)
[01:50] <markit> perfect, thanks
[01:50] <markit> lolù
[01:50] <markit> sleep time!
[01:50] <Marius80> sleep fine :)
[01:50] <markit> btw, what are your "bugs"?
[01:50] <markit> that pushed you to try an upgrade?
[01:50] <markit> (if you can explain in short)
[01:50] <Marius80> the sort order of the windows
[01:50] <Marius80> in the task manager
[01:50] <Marius80> just for a moment:  Please don't type
[01:51] <Marius80> [ window 1]    [ window 3 ]
[01:51] <Marius80> [ window 2]
[01:51] <Marius80> you can type again :)
[01:51] <Marius80> that's how we would expect it, right?
[01:51] <Marius80> what happens is this:
[01:51] <Marius80> [ window 1]    [ window 2 ]
[01:51] <Marius80> [ window 3]
[01:51] <Marius80> so they change the place
[01:52] <Marius80> only when "force row settings" is checked
[01:52] <Marius80> and:  Krunner sometimes needs 2 or 3 times "ENTER" to run the command
[01:52] <Marius80> these are the most annoying bugs
[01:52] <heoyea> dmenu
[01:53] <Marius80> heoyea?
[01:54] <markit> I see, I've task manager with just one row, and multiple programs just collapse
[01:54] <markit> http://pengpod.com/ interesting !
[01:55] <Marius80> cool :)
[01:55] <Marius80> thx for the link!
[01:56] <Marius80> markit, I wish you a good night :)
[01:57] <markit> see you :) I'm often in irc at night
[01:57] <markit> bye
[02:05] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[02:40] <Crell> Hi all.  I'm trying to kick off an update from 12.04 to 12.10.  I'm following the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu, but it implies that Muon will notice immediately that I have a dist upgrade available.  Mine isn't (unsurprisingly).
[02:40] <Crell> How do I tell ito to check immediately?
[03:28] <ronnoc> Crell: Hi. There's a setting in Muon that needs to be enabled to allow a notifiaction of a new distribution release. Make sure you have that turned on as it may not be by default.
[03:54] <DarthFrog> Crell:  Edit the file /etc/update-manager/release-updates and change "Prompt=lts' to "Prompt="normal" and try again.
[04:20] <Crell> Thanks, figured it out.  I did an aptitude update from the command line and muon noticed.
[04:55] <artichoku> you ppl never speak!
[04:56] <bazhang> artichoku, its a support channel
[04:56] <bazhang> #kubuntu-offtopic is the chat channel
[05:01] <artichoku> well aware, was in here 2 days straight without support, fixed it myself
[05:01] <DarthFrog> artichoku: Good for you!  that's the best way.
[05:01] <artichoku> lol@Darth it worked out
[05:02] <artichoku> i broke it a bunch first
[05:02] <DarthFrog> Troubleshooting and fixing problems is *the* best way to lear.
[05:02] <DarthFrog> learn.
[05:04] <artichoku> agreed
[05:06] <Crell> Assuming you have time to do so...
[05:13] <DarthFrog> Whether you have time or not, it's still the best way.  It might not be your preferred way, of course. :-)
[05:49] <mdim> hi folks
[05:49] <mdim> is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/kubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent also a Live CD/DVD as well?
[05:52] <goga> hello great users....
[05:52] <goga> i have one  question... what do u think is possible to capture lid up event for laptop?
[05:53] <goga> wake up guys.... too long sleeping is not good for healthy....
[05:54] <goga> great....
[05:57] <OerHeks> mdim yes
[06:00] <goga> how?
[06:02] <OerHeks> goga,  see the 2nd answer in > http://askubuntu.com/questions/187073/kubuntu-power-options-doesnt-feature-suspend-on-lid-close
[06:03] <goga> thanks
[06:05] <OerHeks> goga this wiki might be helpfull too >> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid#Example:_go_to_sleep_on_lid_close
[06:06] <OerHeks> i never messed around with those actions
[06:08] <Tm_T> mdim: yes live, and dvd by its size (:
[06:08] <Tm_T> mdim: I believe nowadays we only have live images
[06:09] <OerHeks> indeed, only ubuntu server is not live
[06:12] <mdim> can anyone confirm that the commit regarding the Canon EOS 650D camera at https://commit-digest.org/issues/2012-09-09/ is included in Kubuntu 12.10? It's libkdcraw
[06:20] <Tm_T> mdim: if you have updated your KDE to recent releases, then most likely yes
[06:22] <mdim> I'll try out the Live version now. Do I just fire up apt-get update & upgrade, or do I need to use some ppa?
[06:23] <Tm_T> I'd say your best bet would be http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.4
[06:30] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:08] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:09] <Tm_T> silly FloodBotK1, we're not in netsplit
[07:09] <lumprich> Good morning, how I can use the screen look on the netbook-view from kde 4.8.5? On the desktop-view from kde, the screen look work's fine. My OS on the netbook is Kubuntu 12.04.
[07:11] <Tm_T> screen look?
[07:16] <lumprich> Tm_T, screen look -> netbook hibernate->netbook restart-> ask for the passwort  . Do you know what I mean? Sorry my english is not so good.
[07:17] <Tm_T> lumprich: you mean sceen lock?
[07:18] <lumprich> Tm_T, yes
[07:20] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:27] <Tm_T> lumprich: hmm, I don't actually know
[07:28] <lumprich> Tm_T, no problem, thanks for your help
[07:34] <Tm_T> lumprich: you might like to try asking in #kde too
[07:36] <lumprich> Tm_T,  I do it.
[08:19] <luca> hello
[08:19] <luca> in need help with some updates
[08:19] <luca> someone can help me
[08:20] <luca> ?
[08:22] <luca> there is some here? i'm sorry but it's my first time
[08:23] <Tm_T> luca: hi, it's best just to ask your actual question and wait patiently someone to answer if possible
[08:23] <luca> ah ok sorry
[08:24] <luca> system gave this errors: Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_quantal_InRelease Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal-security_Release.gpg Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_Release.gpg Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal
[08:24] <luca> -updates_Release.gpg Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal-backports_Release.gpg
[08:25] <Tm_T> hmmm
[08:26] <Tm_T> luca: reinstall ubuntu-keyring and see if the problem continues
[08:27] <luca> how can i do that? sorry i'm really bad linux user
[08:27] <Tm_T> luca: about signature of medibuntu, you have to check what medibuntu's documentation say about retrieving their sigs
[08:27] <Tm_T> luca: in terminal "sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-keyring"
[08:28] <luca> i'm going to try thank you very much
[08:30] <luca> now  it gaves this errors : mpossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_quantal_InRelease
[08:30] <luca> Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_Release.gpg
[08:31] <Tm_T> luca: for latter error, install ubuntu-extras-keyring
[08:31] <Peace-> luca: what did you do before ?
[08:31] <Peace-> just i am corious
[08:32] <luca> nothing of special i think
[08:32] <Peace-> of course hehheeheh
[08:33] <luca> it says that ubuntu-extras-keyring is already installed
[08:33] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-extras-keyring
[08:33] <Tm_T> somehow those keys has gone missing
[08:34] <luca> now this one: Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_quantal_InRelease
[08:35] <Peace-> luca: so you need to do the same thing for medibuntu repository
[08:35] <Peace-> luca: e cmq non credo che tu non abbia fatto nulla :)
[08:36] <luca> but if i do sudo apt-get install update from terminal the errors is:
[08:36] <luca> W: Si è verificato un errore nel verificare la firma. Il repository non è aggiornato e verranno usati i file indice precedenti. Errore GPG: http://packages.medibuntu.org quantal InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[08:36] <luca> W: Errore GPG: http://plex.r.worldssl.net lucid InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 43525C28E533491A
[08:36] <luca> W: Errore GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 0BB4C0D56AE1EE0F
[08:36] <luca> W: Impossibile recuperare http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/quantal/InRelease
[08:36] <luca> W: Impossibile scaricare alcuni file di indice: saranno ignorati o verranno usati quelli vecchi.
[08:36] <FloodBotK1> luca: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:36] <Peace-> luca: mm well you have lucid repository activated
[08:36] <luca> niente di intenzionale peace :)
[08:37] <Peace-> luca: ok english cuz this channel is only english
[08:37] <luca> ah ok sorry
[08:37] <luca> nothing of intentional
[08:37] <Peace-> i written in italian for first so it's not your fault
[08:38] <Peace-> !gpgerror
[08:39] <Peace-> luca: basically you have a mess in your repository files
[08:40] <luca> so now what can i do?
[08:40] <Peace-> luca: just fix the repo file
[08:41] <luca> nt so easy for me :)
[08:41] <luca> what i have to write in terminal?
[08:41] <Peace-> luca: it's 12.10 or not ?
[08:41] <luca> yes it i
[08:42] <luca> is
[08:42] <mariana_> hay luca
[08:42] <Peace-> luca: kdesudo kate   /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <Peace-> luca: maybe before that mv /etc/apt/sources.list /tmp/oldsources.list
[08:45] <Peace-> luca: then kdesudo etc...
[08:45] <Peace-> luca: and replace all the stuff with http://paste.ubuntu.com/1469255/
[08:45] <luca> it's late
[08:45] <luca> i've done the first
[08:46] <Peace-> no problem
[08:46] <luca> now it has opened kate also
[08:46] <Peace-> well it's a text editor ...
[08:47] <luca> but the terimnal is clocke i think
[08:47] <luca> blocked
[08:47] <Peace-> luca: you need to use kate ....
[08:47] <Peace-> :S
[08:47] <luca> ah ok :)
[08:47] <luca> and what i have to edit in kate
[08:48] <Peace-> [09:45] <Peace-> luca: and replace all the stuff with http://paste.ubuntu.com/1469255/
[08:49] <Peace-> luca: devi solo togliere tutto e metterci quello che ho linkato io
[08:49] <luca> ok
[08:50] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:51] <luca> poi salvo e chiudo?
[08:51] <luca> than i have to save the file in kate right
[08:52] <Peace-> luca: yes
[08:54] <luca> i don't have to copiy also the number in ur link ?
[08:55] <Peace-> luca: click on download as text , no numbers ...
[08:55] <Peace-> luca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1469255/plain/
[08:57] <Peace-> luca: take this if you can 't http://wklej.org/id/907039/txt/
[09:00] <luca> same error
[09:00] <Peace-> luca: wait
[09:00] <Peace-> luca: sudo rm  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[09:01] <luca> done and : W: Errore GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 0BB4C0D56AE1EE0F
[09:01] <luca> W: Errore GPG: http://plex.r.worldssl.net lucid InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 43525C28E533491A
[09:02] <Peace-> luca: you have a external repository activated
[09:02] <Peace-> taht is for lucid
[09:02] <Peace-> luca: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[09:03] <luca> but i thnk that medibuntu is working
[09:03] <luca> there isn't for kubuntu
[09:04] <Peace-> luca: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/27/plasma-desktopGB7125.png go here and disable all of them
[09:05] <Peace-> luca: btw there is an italian channel for kubuntu that is #ubuntu-it
[09:07] <luca> i disabled the on for plex
[09:07] <luca> but i think that i've lost the repository of others program right
[09:07] <luca> like xbmc
[09:07] <Peace-> luca: well you will add them again
[09:08] <Peace-> luca: you have upgraded so those external repository  were the problem
[09:09] <Peace-> you shoudl always remove external ppa repository before an upgrade
[09:09] <Peace-> this is how it works
[09:09] <Peace-> remove external repository => then you do an upgrade
[09:10] <luca> i've done it before
[09:10] <Peace-> mmm
[09:10] <Peace-> so somehow they was activated by themself ?
[09:10] <luca> but from terminal: W: Errore GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 0BB4C0D56AE1EE0F
[09:10] <Peace-> luca: remove that ppa too
[09:11] <luca> ok
[09:11] <Peace-> luca: i have said bofore DISABLE ALLL OF THME
[09:11] <Peace-> THEM
[09:11] <Peace-> luca: then add again medibuntu
[09:12] <Peace-> luca: http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php
[09:12] <Peace-> luca: after that you need to add manually other external repostory
[09:12] <Peace-> but they are unsupported in this channel
[09:12] <luca> als the official one
[09:13] <Peace-> ?
[09:13] <Peace-> just the official one are supported
[09:14] <luca> ah ok
[09:15] <Peace-> luca: have you some other problems ?
[09:15] <Peace-> cuz i have to go
[09:15] <luca> no thank u very much
[09:15] <luca> really
[09:15] <Peace-> bye
[09:15] <luca> have a nice day
[09:16] <Peace-> luca: btw join in #ubuntu-it-chat or #ubuntu-it
[09:16] <Peace-> luca: it's in your language it's easier
[09:16] <Peace-> bye guys
[09:31] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[10:10] <luis_> hey you all, whats up? kubuntu rules! :)
[11:25] <kristjan> h
[11:29] <markit> hi, anyone with 12.10 and KDE 4.10rc, and having such a behaviour (plasmoid transparency) http://imagebin.org/240703 ?
[11:51] <markit> solved, I've been told to remove kde svn cache rm /var/tmp/kdecache-username/plasma*
[12:36] <yoga> hi, I just download the kubuntu desktop 64bit iso and then boot it to install on my computer which already have Windows8 installed, but the installer just show me the entire drive /dev/sda as free space, I suppose to see the Windows 8 partition, and some free space.  Any idea?
[12:39] <yoga> fdisk /dev/sda prints the Windows 8 partition.
[12:40] <yoga> The installer just don't show the Windows 8 partitions. And it show the entire drive size as free!
[12:43] <DarthFrog> Go ahead and install.  You don't need Windows 8 anyway.
[12:45] <ikonia> DarthFrog: he can have windows if he wants windows, don't tell people to delete it - you don't know what they need/want
[12:45] <ikonia> please don't make that sort of bad comment
[12:45] <yoga> The Windows 8 is for my mother in law.
[12:46] <Kottizen> yoga: Can you please try to remove the DVD/USB, reboot to make sure Windows is there and then try to boot Kubuntu and launch the installer again?
[12:50] <yoga> Kottizen: Ok, Windows is still there.  and fdisk shows the partitions both /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2. again the installer just shows the entire disk as free.
[12:51] <yoga> I don't see /dev/sda1 dev/sda2  from the installer at all.
[12:54] <monkeyjuice> have not seen a good guide on dualbooting with win8 yet
[12:56]  * markit suggests to disable "secure boot" from the bios
[13:04] <Kottizen> yoga: What if you choose to manually partition your drive?
[13:05] <Kottizen> yoga: (In the installation program)
[13:06] <yoga> Kottizen: That's infect what I did, choose manual, and again it just show me the /dev/sda and the free space only.
[13:16] <markit> yoga: have you disabled the "secure boot" from bios?
[13:17] <yoga> markit: I don't find the 'secure boot' form my bios!
[13:17] <markit> yoga: return back the pc then
[13:17] <markit> and complain a lot
[13:17] <markit> it's not a PC anymore, is a special device to run only special sofware, is not what you intended to buy
[13:18] <markit> yoga: brand / model?
[13:20] <yoga> asus k53
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:18] <systemclient> For my personal desktop system, does it make sense to stay on 12.04? I mean I'd like to have the newer versions of everything. Is there anything that should I consider before leaving LTS?
[15:36] <markit> systemclient: if you want newer version of everything, you must leave 12.04, no choice
[15:36] <markit> for home desktop usage, lts is not that important
[15:36] <markit> if something breaks, you have time to fix, or just reinstall
[15:43] <Crell> Hi all.  I'm trying to get my Nexus 4 to mount on Kubuntu 12.10 using  MTP mode, and having trouble.
[15:43] <Crell> I'm following through the instructions here: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/247-ubuntu-automount-nexus7-mtp (modifying for Nexus 4)
[15:44] <Crell> The phone isn't mounting, however, and "mount" reports no fuse information for it.
[15:46] <Crell> Any suggestions?
[16:04] <systemclient> markit: I tried Ubuntu 12.10 on my Netbook and it did not break my Python scripts and my LaTeX compiles fine too. And besides, always had the regular releases and it was fine
[16:04] <markit> systemclient: good :) btw, do you do some python / qt programming?
[16:05] <systemclient> markit: I just do Python, I never looked into Qt more than 30 Minutes
[16:06] <systemclient> markit: do you have any need for PyQt or so?
[16:08] <markit> systemclient: would like to learn python and do some program with Qt, yes
[16:08] <markit> I'm used to a high integrated IDE, like Delphi or Lazarus
[16:09] <markit> the tutorials I've seen so far seem so confusing to me
[16:09] <systemclient> markit: there are Python IDEs out there, but I just use a plain editor (Vim)
[16:09] <systemclient> markit: did you look into the official Python tutorial?
[16:09] <systemclient> markit: do you know any C-like language (C, PHP, Java, C++)?
[16:09] <markit> I programmed in C long time ago (also assembler for Z8001 CPU, lol)
[16:10] <systemclient> markit: because the Pascal/Delphi a different way of thinking than C (and Python, since it has a lot from C)
[16:10] <markit> and I do some ruby programming for system scripts and rails
[16:10] <systemclient> markit: I am the C kind of guy and I did not get anything done with Delphi in school
[16:10] <markit> systemclient: is not the language, but the "environment" to have Qt programs that puzzles me
[16:11] <systemclient> markit: do you mean that it is event based (is that even true?) or something like that?
[16:11] <markit> yep, but you just put visual components on the form, have proprieties, doble click on venets, write code, press F5 and runs
[16:12] <systemclient> markit: isn't that just like Delphi?
[16:12] <markit> in Qt seems you have to design the UI on one side, then "compile" and link with python code after that
[16:12] <markit> systemclient: I was talking about delphi
[16:12] <systemclient> markit: :D
[16:12] <systemclient> markit: let me see the one project I did with PyQt
[16:13] <markit> systemclient: don't worry, I asked if you were an "expert" to guide me to the right route
[16:13] <markit> ok, back to my ruby script to improve LTSP automatic installation and configuration (non graphical)
[16:25] <systemclient> markit: I have not written a GUI program in a while now … just command line utilities
[16:28] <Guest62853> voglio togliere windows 7 ma non so se mettere kubuntu o ubuntu voglio che il sistema supporta tutto l'hardware compreso il bluetooth cosa mi consigliate tra i due???
[16:28] <systemclient> is there #kubuntu-sw or #ubuntu-sw?
[16:31] <systemclient> Guest62853: try `#ubuntu-<yourlanguagecode>`
[16:32] <Pici> !it
[16:33] <systemclient> I think Guest62853 is from Sweden (at least whois says so)
[16:33] <systemclient> sorry, that is just where the Server is :-/
[16:34] <Pici> It looked like italian.
[16:35] <systemclient> Pici: I thought spanish at first, but with all those “o”s, it should be :-)
[16:35] <systemclient> Swedish looks kind of close to German, I think
[16:35] <systemclient> or Dutch
[16:35] <Pici> !it | Guest62853
[16:44] <SunTsu> Rule of thumb: If there's "tutto" in it it most of the time is italian ;)
[16:44] <markit> lol
[16:45] <markit> btw, it was italian (I'm Italian)
[16:45] <markit> also with some grammar errors :(
[16:45] <systemclient> what does “tutto” mean?
[16:45] <markit> all, everything
[16:46] <systemclient> do you have some rule of thumb to recognize German?
[16:46] <markit> systemclient: from the accent ;P
[16:46] <systemclient> markit: you mean the German accent in English?
[16:46] <SunTsu> systemclient: yeah: if it's my native tongue it must be German ;)
[16:47] <markit> I've no idea... maybe trap some special characters?
[16:47] <markit> systemclient: was joking, sorry
[16:47] <systemclient> markit: German speakers have a pretty thick accent in English usually
[16:47] <markit> SunTsu: trap some "umlouth" or whatever are called?
[16:47] <systemclient> markit: Umlaut
[16:47] <markit> systemclient: sure, also when they speak italian
[16:48] <markit> but of course nothing you can trap in IRC ;P
[16:48] <markit> that was the joke
[16:48] <systemclient> markit: most of them have big troubles with “th” and so forth
[16:48] <systemclient> markit: I guess if somebody comes around with äüöß, it should be pretty clear
[16:48] <SunTsu> systemclient: or a "j" . Jack -> Check
[16:48] <markit> I've bought a course of spoken english for italians... I have to admit that now I'm aware how bad my pronounciation is
[16:49] <systemclient> I lost most of my bad habits while I was in the US for quite a while
[16:49] <markit> systemclient: yep, that is my suggestion, but was unable to generate those codes quickly (I'm lazy, I'm a developer ;P))
[16:49] <systemclient> markit: this is where a German keyboard comes in handy
[16:49] <systemclient> markit: or a compose key :D
[16:50] <markit> systemclient: where are you from?
[16:50] <systemclient> markit: Germany
[16:50] <markit> oh, I see :)
[16:50] <SunTsu> or screen's digraph ability
[16:50] <systemclient> If you happen to use a CLI IRC client
[16:51] <systemclient> Vim is also pretty good with digraphs
[16:54] <systemclient> markit: btw, developers who are not lazy seem strange to me :-)
[16:54] <markit> yep, without lazyness loops were not invented, lol
[16:54] <markit> s/were/would have been
[16:55]  * markit needs to re-learn grammar also
[16:56] <markit> systemclient: how is it that I've the feeling that german students, at 18 years old, have learned english quite well, while italians don't?
[16:56] <systemclient> imagine everybody would use gotos and hand-keep lists with their jump targets
[16:56] <markit> do you have native language speakers as teachers in your schools?
[16:56] <systemclient> some are far from that
[16:56] <systemclient> I had one teacher who had a worse accent then I did :-7
[16:57] <systemclient> you have to have English in school, either in 5th grade or in 7th grade
[16:57] <systemclient> and for at least 4 yours, usually you take it from 5th till 13th grade (12th nowaways)
[16:57] <systemclient> I think the people from the Netherlands learn English way better than we do … they do not even have translated TV, just subtitles
[16:58] <systemclient> that forces all of them to learn English
[16:58] <systemclient> when I was in NL and tried to speak some Dutch, they replied in English right away :-/
[16:59] <SunTsu> systemclient: I'm currently on Malta and I'm quite impressed with dutch and belgian english speakers, even took them for native speakers
[16:59] <kcvearner>  
[17:00] <systemclient> I guess they are such a small country, that they really need to learn English. I know a lot of Germans who say that nobody could force them to learn another language. If somebody wants something from them, they should do it in German
[17:00] <systemclient> Or they do not like to learn English, because the Americans could learn German
[17:01] <systemclient> It is going to become fun when we get into the Master's degree since all the lectures will be in English
[17:01] <SunTsu> systemclient: I partly "blame" dubbing, people don't hear english at alle, only in songs which they don#t understand
[17:01] <SunTsu> a/alle/all/
[17:02] <systemclient> right, and that is something you do not have in the Netherlands, at least not so much
[17:02] <systemclient> only the local shows are in Dutch, everything else is in subtitles
[17:02] <SunTsu> exactly
[17:02] <systemclient> and I now watch DVDs and stuff in English, just to keep practiscing
[17:02] <systemclient> except for the word “practise“ :D
[17:03] <SunTsu> but I guess we're way off topic and getting even more so ;)
[17:03] <systemclient> until now, nobody complained :-)
[17:03] <systemclient> I guess we should stop when an actual Ubuntu question comes up
[17:04] <rork> I blame education rather then TV, we have English lessons from about 10 years old up to 16 years old. German and French from 12 to 15 (optionally up to 1-3 years longer depending on your level of education)
[17:05] <SunTsu> rork: I didn't say that education is not flawed, but still, even if your education is good you tend to forget what you never use
[17:05] <rork> But yeah, the continues contact with english language on whichever media also helps
[17:06] <systemclient> There were some trials with having English already in 3rd grade (not 5th), but I do not think that did much good
[17:06] <systemclient> the real problem in German English classes is that they are mostly in German!
[17:06] <systemclient> I learned English best, when I was speaking English only for around a year
[17:07] <systemclient> but you have 45 minute classes, the teacher is 5 minutes late
[17:07] <systemclient> then you do all the organisational stuff in German, hear excuses for undone homework in German
[17:07] <systemclient> Maybe you say a sentence or two during the whole class
[17:09] <rork> Not much difference here, but at least you learn the basic grammar and many words
[17:09] <systemclient> Tim Ferris said (or quoted) that practise does not make perfect, it makes permanent
[17:09] <rork> All the rest requires practice
[17:10] <systemclient> so I think with TV and conversations in english, you do not forget more than you learned in your classes
[17:10] <systemclient> but practise is what lacks most in Germany, I'd say
[17:10] <markit> back... well, in Italy we have ALL movies dubbed
[17:10] <markit> or are not transmitted at all
[17:10] <systemclient> dito in Germany
[17:11] <systemclient> in the movie theater (cinema) there are some English movies, so I watched the Hobbit in the original soundtrack
[17:12] <SunTsu> systemclient: mostly in huge cities only, e.g. Berlin or Hamburg.
[17:12] <markit> my main difficoult when I try to speak are a) I'm shy, b) I think in a too convulted way for the level of my english
[17:12] <systemclient> this was in a population 300.000 city
[17:12] <markit> I had the experience of being helped by a friend
[17:12] <systemclient> markit: I feel about the same about my Dutch
[17:13] <markit> I talked him in italian, he translated in english, and I could understand perfectly what he said
[17:13] <markit> but was not able to tell myself
[17:13] <markit> that was shocking
[17:13] <systemclient> markit: that is your active and passive command of the language, quite normal
[17:13] <markit> systemclient: oh, good, I'm not alone in this small planet ;P
[17:14] <SunTsu> markit: the good thing with english is: Even if your level is low people will comprehend what you are saying if you keep your sentences simple. In German: Not so much
[17:14] <markit> well, not if you go in England
[17:14] <markit> I went there for 15 days long long time ago
[17:15] <SunTsu> markit: you need to practice forming sentences and express yourself in a foreign language. People know and understand
[17:15] <systemclient> SunTsu: I guess that is about the information density. It usually takes more text to state something precicely in English, but I have one German word for it
[17:15] <markit> if you don't understand and ask for a repeat, they tell you again but with the same speed or faster
[17:15] <markit> very kind but useless
[17:15] <markit> lol
[17:15] <systemclient> what they did in the US is that they repeated it louder
[17:16] <SunTsu> markit: I was talking about you, trying to converse in english
[17:16] <systemclient> my host family reflected on this and then choose simpler words … it worked
[17:16] <systemclient> and when we were somewhere else, they said “he is not deaf, he just does not understand the meaning right away”
[17:16] <markit> lol
[17:17] <systemclient> I sometimes try to think in Dutch, that is quite fun :-)
[17:17] <SunTsu> that's the nice thing about Malta: Everybody speaks english, but they are used to people not talking it proplery, they can handle it.
[17:17] <systemclient> if I am programming, I always think in English. It is almost impossible for me to choose German variable names and write German comments now :D
[17:17] <SunTsu> properly even ;)
[17:18] <systemclient> SunTsu: I guess that is a little different in the general US
[17:18] <markit> SunTsu: Malta looks like a wonderful place, never been there
[17:18] <markit> maybe to improve my english I should go there instead of england, much better weather for sure
[17:18] <SunTsu> markit: it is, it absolutely is. I'm here for the 6th time, love it
[17:19] <markit> SunTsu: in Malta do you speak with a "perfect" accent or a sub-optimal eglish? I've no idea
[17:19] <systemclient> for me, everything above like 23°C seems hot …
[17:19] <systemclient> markit: are you looking for this Cambridge/Oxford English?
[17:19] <SunTsu> markit: yeah, lots of italians live here, too, sicily is only 90 Minutes via ferry
[17:19] <systemclient> the only thing I can say in Oxford English is “Vance, I can't dance” :D
[17:20] <markit> SunTsu: where are you from? Maybe you told but I missed... Germany seems to recall, correct?
[17:20] <SunTsu> markit: correct.
[17:20] <markit> SunTsu: good and fast and cheap internet connection there? low tax rates? good food? :)
[17:21] <markit> it's all what I need :)
[17:21] <systemclient> what do you mean with “good food”? The food can be all there is, if there is no decent bread … bummer
[17:23] <SunTsu> markit: sensational food, free wifi all around, cheap mobile internet (prepaid SIM 3GB cost 20€), nice weather, low taxes, but unfortunatly low wages, too
[17:24] <markit> SunTsu: so you earn money in Germany and spend in Malta? mmm good idea :)
[17:24] <systemclient> markit: people in Geneva do that all the time, employed in Switzerland and live in France
[17:25] <SunTsu> markit: sort of, yeah ;) Currently I'm only here for holidays, but someday, maybe.. ;)
[17:25]  * markit deraming for a better future, Italy is going down to misery
[17:25] <markit> well, dreaming
[17:26] <markit> damn keyboard ;P
[17:26] <markit> ok, back to some ruby script for my ltsp
[17:26] <markit> thanks a lot for the conversation
[17:26] <systemclient> markit: especially if a certain person should become prime minister, I guess
[17:26] <systemclient> markit: Happy Hacking!
[17:26] <markit> systemclient: there is a very wide choice, they robber from all the sides
[18:38] <systemclient> I just did the upgrade from Precise to Quantal and now the Terminal and gVim font are different. Which was the default font in Precise?
[18:51] <Walex> systemclient: that depends a lot on which program/GUI library as you discovered.
[18:52] <Walex> systemclient: typical GNU/Linux systems don;t have a single font system, never mind a single text rendering library.
[18:52] <systemclient> I got a screenshot of Vim here, but I cannot seem to find that font in Vim again
[18:53] <Walex> systemclient: 'gvim' uses GTk to render text IIRC, so it will be in some '.gtkrc' file.
[19:00]  * markit tried RazorQT desktop ... after login, only 144MB used!
[19:02] <cliff_> Hello everyone.
[19:03] <cliff_> Would someone be able to help me with a problem?
[19:05] <cliff_> Anyone alive in here?
[19:07] <systemclient> Walex: I finally found it, “Droid Sans Mono” it is
[19:07] <systemclient> cliff_: sure, just ask
[19:13] <cliff_> I am pretty sure that Backtrack 5 is builded on Kubuntu so that's why I am here.  I am trying to run tcprewrite but i keep getting errors that are saying that the app is not installed and I need to install it.  There's also a bit about Universe needing to be active or something like that.
[19:13] <cliff_> I verified that the app is installed and it's there, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to run.
[19:13] <bazhang> cliff_, get help in the backtrack channel
[19:13] <bazhang> #backtrack-linux
[19:14] <cliff_> dang!
[19:14] <cliff_> there's a channel for everything, thanks!
[20:05] <sysop2> ne1 here use winswitch?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> sysop2, what's winswitch ?
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> better question: can you use non-text speak?
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> s/text/texting/
[20:27] <Walex> systemclient: you can just install it. It is a bit limited, IIRC it does not have bold or italic or one of the two.
[20:30] <sysop2> BluesKaj, thanks for answering
[20:30] <sysop2> BluesKaj, its a gui for xpra
[20:31] <sysop2> how about this. I have nvidia setup for seperate x servers how do I start an application on the  second x server?
[20:33] <systemclient> DISPLAY= in front of the command maybe?
[20:34] <systemclient> You should be able to see the displays with `who`
[21:47] <mauro__> ciao a tutti
[21:48] <maurys> ciao auguri di buone feste
[22:47] <glnode> hi all, can i ask a help with install pcpsx2 on kubuntu 12.10 64bit ?
[23:07] <glnode>  ./launch_pcsx2_linux.sh
[23:07] <glnode> ERROR the plugin (plugins/libzzogl-0.4.0.so) miss some dependencies
[23:07] <glnode>         libCg.so => not found
[23:07] <glnode>         libCgGL.so => not found
[23:07] <glnode>         libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 => not found
[23:07] <FloodBotK1> glnode: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:07] <glnode>         libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0 => not found
[23:07] <glnode>         libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 => not found
[23:12] <Torch> glnode: this is some psx emu?
[23:12] <glnode> yes
[23:12] <Torch> glnode: don't bother ;-)
[23:12] <glnode> http://pcsx2.net
[23:12] <glnode> it is
[23:12] <Torch> glnode: imho the only usable one was epsxe and it's not been updated to work on current linux distros in ages
[23:12] <glnode> some miss liblary
[23:12] <Torch> glnode: you _could_ go thtough the plugins with ldd and install missing libs
[23:13] <glnode> i work on istall missing libs at 2h
[23:13] <Torch> glnode: it will be hard and annoying... and expect to be disappointed by what the emu can acutally run
[23:13] <Torch> glnode: it obviously wants wxwidgets 2.8 built with unicode support
[23:13] <Torch> glnode: i have no idea if that is available in the repos
[23:14] <glnode> http://pastebin.com/B728Dr6P
[23:14] <howudodat> I have a linksys WMP600N, it's behaving badly (very internittent network bandwidth).  For example streaming music from my NAS is very choppy (NetworkManager meter shows connected at 64Mbps).  So I DL'd rt2860 src and compiled.  modprobe -r rt2800, insmod rt2860sta.ko and wammo, hard freeze on my computer, no panic, just frozen!
[23:15] <Torch> glnode: you'll find a number of shared objects (with extension ".so") in the plugins directory somewhere in the emu's path
[23:15] <glnode> Torch: PCSX2 is 32 bit only program. You need to install all 32 bits depencencies
[23:15] <Torch> glnode: on a shell, you can run ldd on each of those shared objects and see what they depend on
[23:15] <Torch> glnode: i was asssuming that, yes.
[23:15] <glnode> i add-architecture -i386
[23:16] <Torch> glnode: doesn't exactly make the task easier, i'm afraid
[23:16] <glnode> can u exmplain "PCSX2 is 32 bit only program. You need to install all 32 bits depencencies"
[23:16] <glnode> grr sorry, can u exmaplin : on a shell, you can run ldd on each of those shared objects and see what they depend on
[23:17] <Torch> glnode: shared objects are libraries (dll's in windows speak)
[23:17] <Torch> glnode: the plugins the emu uses need those libs
[23:17] <glnode> on ubuntu emulator was run
[23:17] <Torch> glnode: and when the emu loads the plugins, it can't because the libs aren't there
[23:17] <glnode> but on kubuntu no .;(
[23:17] <Torch> glnode: ubuntu probably installs wxwidgets per default (it's a gtk thing, and it shows)
[23:17] <glnode> i mean gnome
[23:17] <Torch> glnode: i understood that much ;-)
[23:18] <glnode> wxwidgets
[23:18] <Torch> glnode: anyway, you need the dependencies for the plugins
[23:18] <Torch> glnode: that's why it's not working. and all that stuff being 32 bit (on your 64 bit platform?) won't make it easier
[23:19] <glnode> yes im on 64b
[23:19] <glnode> meyby easier will be install gnome :)
[23:19] <Torch> glnode: but i'm just blathering without _really_ knowing the special case in question here... it's been years since i looked into psx emus
[23:19] <Torch> glnode: your choice ;-) i'd rather not ;-))
[23:20] <glnode> i wouldn;t
[23:20] <glnode> :)
[23:20] <glnode> i can;t do anything on gnome
[23:20] <glnode> im dissapointed, coz im 12h in work, and im boring :)
[23:22] <glnode> install chroot32?
[23:23] <Torch> glnode: i don't exactly know what this does, but i have an idea and wouldn't recommend it.... sounds like overkill.
[23:23] <glnode> ok