[00:57] <solarcloud_3scrn> I was wondering how to install irissi on Ubuntu/Lubuntu ??
[01:00] <Unit193> solarcloud_3scrn: Open a terminal and type  sudo apt-get install irssi   that is if that's what you mean rather than irissi?
[01:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> k
[01:03] <solarcloud_3scrn> Yeah, Obviously I'm talking to a yank .. just says " E: Invalid operation Instal "  .. i think i need to build from source :(
[01:07] <Unit193> Yes, that's because you didn't type it right.  You can also search for it in synaptic or Software Center.
[01:11] <solarcloud_3scrn> yeah .. like I said i need to biuld fom sourceforge via zip .. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/irssi%20screenshot.png
[01:11] <solarcloud_3scrn> soz wrong Web-Link :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/irssi%20screenshot.png
[01:14] <Unit193> Ah, just need to run  sudo apt-get update  and you'll be set to run the other command.
[01:14] <solarcloud_3scrn> Fuck off.
[01:15] <Unit193> solarcloud_3scrn: Please keep it fami..
[01:42] <hyperair> heh what an idiot.
[01:42] <Unit193> If he doesn't want help...
[01:42] <hyperair> i really hate these people who come to support channels to ask for help but don't listen to anything you say
[01:42] <hyperair> because they're obviously smarter than you and don't need your help
[01:43] <hyperair> even if they're doing something completely stupid.
[06:30] <Auratic> I was going to make an LXDE-GNOME hybrid desktop, but decided it wasn't really worth it. Has anyone else tried the same thing? What was the outcome?
[06:38] <mysteriousdaren> Auratic: why gnome? why not just lxde?
[06:39] <Auratic> That's how i ended it. I decided just to use lxde and not mess up my desktop.
[06:42] <mysteriousdaren> good, what else did you wanna do with it?
[07:22] <Globbits> hello world, any help available for lubuntu startup?
[08:22] <Globbits> is anyone here?
[08:58] <Name141> Lubuntu doesn't have LTS?
[12:21] <SAKKE_> I'm trying to boot from USB stick
[12:22] <SAKKE_> is it possible to make alternate version
[12:22] <SAKKE_> put alternate version to USB and boot from there?
[12:22] <SAKKE_> my old laptop only has 380MB RAM
[12:22] <SAKKE_> so i dont wanna use destop
[12:22] <SAKKE_> desktpo
[12:22] <SAKKE_> *desktop XD
[13:20] <auburtic_> where are System Settings on lubuntu?
[13:51] <maraz> A fresh install of Lubuntu 12.10 (x86) didn't detect a VGA CRT properly, so I made a script that sets up the proper resolution with xrandr and added it to lxsession's global autostart file. Now, sometimes when I log in, the desktop is rendered with a top and left offset, with the login screen background showing from the "margin". Right-clicking on the desktop is normal, but right-clicking on the margin brings up the window manager's menu.
[13:52] <maraz> Changing the resolution to something else and back to 1400x1050 is a workaround, as is logging out and in again.
[13:53] <maraz> My xrandr script is called last in the autostart file, could it be that the desktop is set up before that and thus rendered incorrectly?
[14:05] <max999> hi, if i use 'customize look and feel' and try to remove an icon theme, the application just closes (no crash / bug window though) without removing the icon theme. what can i do?
[14:08] <max999> if i try to 'sudo lxappearance' xserver hangs and i have to kill it from a tty =)
[14:12] <maraz> Hmm. What I previously described also happens without a xrandr script, on identical hardware (save for the working EDID in the monitor)
[14:14] <max999> if i run lxappearance from terminal (without sudoing it) i get a 'segfault' trying to remove a theme.. google has some replies to this, checking them atm
[14:15] <max999> ('segmentation fault (core dumped')
[14:56] <max999> anyone knows where does lxdm gets his profile list from? i just replaced lightdm with lxdm because lightdm is really ugly. it works fine, its just offering a lot of not installed DMs (GNOME-Stuff ..)
[14:57] <max999> looked in /etc/lxdm but the config files there dont contain the list.
[15:06] <max999> how can such a wide spread distro have such a weak support channel? thats not my first question not being answered and i noticed others seeking for help without reply too over the last days.
[15:13] <Akhilleus> c'è qualcuno che puo' aiutare una ragazza incapace con questo lubuntu????
[16:41] <Amgine> max999: there are 72 people in the channel; if someone sees your question *and* can answer it, they likely will. But it's all volunteers, all the time, here.
[16:43] <max999> amgine: im nevertheless pretty disappointed of the #lubuntu irc. i was on bodhi and mint before and even with less users, more answers were provided.
[16:44] <phiscribe> lubuntu being used a desktop is still a hobbyist pursuit with that level of support.  people in the channel are mostly hanging out or looking for tips.  sometimes that means they can help you.  but in no way is this ever going to be a place every question is answered.
 It's important to offer help when you can, with the caveat that often hobbyists are... misinformed.
[16:45] <max999> my comment was not usefull in any way though. its just hard to believe for me as i think lubuntu has way more users than bodhi ;-)

[16:47] <Amgine> Not everyone who uses knows about IRC, let alone hangs out here!
[16:47] <max999> is the forum a better place to get support for lubuntu?
[16:47] <Amgine> Dunno. I didn't know there was a forum.
[16:48] <max999> well ppl seem to tag lubuntu threads with [lubuntu] in the ubuntu main forum
[16:48] <Unit193> max999: What "profile list" and LXDM hasn't been used for a while, so less people would know.  (You can also try #ubuntu but they may as well not know)
[16:48] <max999> Unit193: figured this out myself in the meanwhile, it uses the files provided in some xsession folder.
[16:49] <max999> Unit193: thanks for the reply ;-)
[16:49] <max999> still having the segmentation fault on lxappearance though
[16:49] <max999> asked in #ubuntu and #lxde too without success.
[16:50] <max999> (i can just recommend lxdm so much, it looks way better than lightdm and has only 2 dependencies .. about 2 mb to download ..if someone cares ;))
[16:52] <maraz> I seriously dislike how *ubuntu handles monitors without valid EDID responses...
[16:52] <maraz> There *should* be a GUI tool for manual override, but there isn't
[16:52] <maraz> Serious usability issue!
[16:54] <max999> maraz: have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316985
[16:56] <maraz> max999: that won't really help in case the monitor doesn't report EDID correctly, which is more than likely the case here
[16:57] <maraz> that, or the chipset is corrupting it
[16:58] <max999> as far as i understand the thread, the more common problem seems to be a driver related mishandling of the edid response
[16:58] <maraz> besides, I would *still* have to create a xorg.conf, which is *really* a hassle for the average desktop user
[16:58] <maraz> especially if said xorg.conf won't work on the first try
[16:58] <maraz> max999: that is entirely possible, the hardware is intel i915-based
[17:00] <max999> maraz: you can get your monitors edid data here (instructions to get it): http://maxolasersquad.blogspot.co.at/2009/04/get-edid-information.html
[17:01] <max999> maraz: you can break it down to: sudo apt-get install read-edid
[17:01] <maraz> let's see
[17:02] <max999> maraz: use sudo get-edid | sudo -parse-edid then
[17:02] <max999> worked for me.
[17:02] <max999> (got some output ;-))
[17:05] <maraz> max999: nope, doesn't work
[17:05] <max999> maraz: is it reporting an error?
[17:06] <maraz> "Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC1/2 transfers"
[17:06] <max999> maraz: you could try connecting it via vga instead of .. whats the name .. ah u know .. or the other way
[17:06] <maraz> It is connected via VGA.
[17:06] <max999> try .. hdmi!
[17:06] <maraz> It's a CRT monitor
[17:07] <maraz> Connected to a IBM workstation which only provides VGA
[17:07] <max999> i did read something about different vga cables, some without the 12th pin or stuff in my 2 minute google research i just did
[17:07] <max999> and about kvm switches dont forwarding the edid data
[17:08] <maraz> The VGA cable could be the culprit. No KVM here.
[17:08] <max999> if avaible you could try another cable (not sure if this is the right path to investigate though)
[17:08] <max999> if not you could google the monitors specs
[17:08] <maraz> Still, my biggest problem isn't with the resolution (xrandr works), but having the desktop *sometimes* render incorrectly after logging in
[17:09] <max999> how?
[17:09] <max999> does it fix itself?
[17:09] <maraz> Logout/login and changing the resolution to something else and then back will fix it.
[17:09] <maraz> The desktop is rendered with an offset
[17:09] <maraz> It varies each time.
[17:10] <maraz> It's like the desktop area isn't rendered at x=0, y=0 at the top left, but some random non-zero values.
[17:10] <max999> would it help to script a resolution change at login time?
[17:10] <maraz> The margin displays the login screen background image and right-clicking on it displays the LXDM menu.
[17:11] <maraz> I already have a script like that. It's what changes the resolution to the correct one on login.
[17:11] <max999> and the problem occurs after ( / because) of the script or it solves the problem?
[17:11] <maraz> However, this problem persists on three workstations, all with the same hardware (save for the fact that one particular monitor is EDID-less)
[17:11] <maraz> Two of them don't even have the script.
[17:12] <max999> i doubt we find a solution =) maybe someone else can help.
[17:12] <max999> i just solved a very strange problem on my machine by changing distro by the way
[17:12] <maraz> I doubt it as well. I think it has something to do with the login screen having a different resolution than the desktop.
[17:13] <max999> could you resize the login screen?
[17:13] <maraz> The only way to change that, AFAIK, is to create a custom xorg.conf, which I wouldn't really want to do.
[17:14] <maraz> It's quite a bother on lubuntu, since if xorg.conf fails, ctrl+alt+1..8 _will not work_
[17:14] <maraz> The only way to reset it is to boot into recovery and manually remount the system partition with write enabled
[17:14] <phiscribe> perhaps using some type of asci logon
[17:15] <max999> maraz: i replaced lightdm with lxdm (for appearance reasons).. dunno if lxdm supports fixed resolutions though
[17:16] <maraz> I suppose that would be worth a try, but the option comes with a rather hefty CBA factor
[17:16] <maraz> (can't be arsed)
[17:16] <maraz> Anyway, thanks for the discussion.
[17:16] <max999> maraz: here they tweak ubuntu to set a resolution before the login happens (usually it happens after): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1544285
[17:17] <max999> written for lxdm but i think that doesnt matters.
[17:17] <max999> maraz: they write that xrandr kicks in after login usually
[17:18] <max999> maraz: well good luck
[17:19] <maraz> max999: I've found that via Google as well, but as I previously stated, the CBA factor is very high.
[17:19] <maraz> Especially when it doesn't guarantee success and may well render the system unusable for a while
[17:20] <max999> well crt monitors are rare this days (maybe except some expensive special ones) =)
[18:56] <caner> Hello
[18:56] <caner> I have a question.
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> so ask it.
[18:57] <caner> I was planning to ask it, yeah :')
[18:57] <caner> So, I have since yesterday Lubuntu
[18:57] <caner> and when I'm playing Minecraft
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> !enter | caner
[18:58] <caner> (that's a game, by the way for the people who don't know that), the W A S D keys are getting stuck every time. I've never had that problem on Windows.
[18:59] <caner> So for example, when I'm walking with the W-key and I'm letting it go so I can stop walking, he just walks till I click W again.
[19:00] <caner> And when I'm clicking like 6 times in a row, he just opens the settings.
[19:00] <caner> So is this a bug or is there something wrong with my settings?
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> you're aware the enter key isnt punctuation right?
[19:01] <caner> Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm used to that haha
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> i've noticed that as well, i think its an issue inside of Java
[19:02] <caner> Oh, great.
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> but i also think minecraft's restrictified to sun java, so...
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> not sure we can fix that here...
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> which java are you running in Ubuntu?
[19:03] <caner> Java 6
[19:04] <caner> Sun-Java, to be specific.
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> okay, that's nothing we can fix
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> because Sun Java's closed-source
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> s/sun/oracle/
[19:04] <caner> Oh, great..
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> although i havent seen the bug in oracle java 7
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> which version of ubuntu are you on
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> s/ubuntu/lubuntu/
[19:06] <caner> Lubuntu 12.10
[19:06] <caner> The latest version.
[19:06] <caner> No, wait. 12.04
[19:07] <TheLordOfTime> how'd you get sun java 6 on your system...
[19:07] <TheLordOfTime> or did you upgrade from 11.10 or something
[19:07] <caner> I got it via a Minecraft installer.
[19:08] <caner> I'm working with (L)ubuntu since yesterday, so no I didn't upgrade it. I just downloaded Lubuntu at www.ubuntu-nl.org > download
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> yeah, i don't trust minecraft installers
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> just because.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> caner, ok, i'm going to give you a different set of instructions for you to try
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> because i've run minecraft under Java 7 on linux without incident.
[19:08] <caner> Alright.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> and i've noticed *less* of the sticking issue in that.
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> do you know how to open the command line?
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> the terminal.
[19:09] <caner> Yep.
[19:09] <caner> I'm opening it now.
[19:09] <caner> Alright, opened.
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> one moment while i type this all out
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> erm
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> that was supposed to be a pastebin link
[19:10] <TheLordOfTime> one moment
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473760/
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> do each of those commands
[19:11] <caner> Alright.
[19:11] <caner> One moment.
[19:11] <TheLordOfTime> (I add the first one because sometimes the system doesn't add theh package that has add-apt-repository)
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> caner, what that does is it (1) adds a place which has a Java downloader/installer (no actual code though), (2) installs Java 7 to your system
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> that should automagically do the plugin stuff too
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> so it should all work and change default java to java 7
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> (java 6 is no longer maintained)
[19:12] <TheLordOfTime> then see if it still has the sticky issue
[19:13] <caner> Alright
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> java7 is a few magnitudes better with linux minecraft than java 6
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> but its still closed-source.
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> so... still nothing Ubuntu can fix.
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> and Oracle's take:  "Works on Java 7 on Windows, works on our test systems, sorry!"
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> s/Ubuntu/*buntu/
[19:13] <TheLordOfTime> (when I use "Ubuntu" i mean "Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, or Xubuntu")
[19:14] <caner> Lots of lines of code, haha
[19:15] <caner> It's a lot different than Windows :-P
[19:16] <caner> Alright, done. SHall I start Minecraft now?
[19:17] <caner> Oh, wait. He is installing some more haha
[19:18] <caner> He's done now for real, shall I start Minecraft now or do I have to take some more steps?
[19:24] <caner> So I started Minecraft, but it isn't working anymore :-(
[19:33] <caner> Are you still there?
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> what's it saying
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> yeah i'm here
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> also multitasking
[19:35] <caner> It's giving me a black screen
[19:35] <caner> When I log in
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> ah you know what, i saw that too, damn its going to force you to use java 6 isnt it
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> i had to do some weird code changes
[19:36] <caner> Oh no :\
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> you'll need to do java6 (uninstall the java7 installer, rerun your "minecraft installer")
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> and then you'll just have to live with the sticking
[19:36] <caner> Alright.
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> nothing we can do to fix it here
[19:36] <caner> Haha, but thanks
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> sorry, i forgot the latest minecraft was weird with java 7
[19:44] <max999> i have a question of interest ..
[19:45] <max999> can anyone explain me, why my Acer Aspire One 756 is running perfeclty fine with lubuntu while it kept to randomly power off on, also ubuntu based, bodhi linux? =)
[19:45] <max999> bodhi based on the last LTS release though
[19:46] <TheLordOfTime> is that one the IRC actually is allowed to give support to?
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> max999, i'm not sure, but this may apply...
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> !derivatives
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not sure whether that applies or not though.
[19:47] <max999> i dont think its off topic.
[19:48] <max999> im actually asking a 'why does lubuntu handle it fine' question ;)
[19:48] <max999> maybe just some better drivers in 12.10
[19:49] <max999> bodhi is on ubuntu 12.04 lts
[19:49] <max999> well im just curious
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> no its not ubuntu
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> its an unofficial derivative that may or may not have modified the repositories
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> if it works on lubuntu, use lubuntu.
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> if it doesn't work on bodhi, don't use bodhi
[19:50] <max999> ? bodhi is ubuntu 12.04 with enlightment window manager
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[19:50] <max999> they use ubuntu ppas + some of their own for their own software
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> i'm done.l
[19:51] <max999> ubuntu fork = ubuntu fork ;)
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> ubuntu fork = nonsupported derivative
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> unless its Kubuntu Xubuntu Lubuntu or Ubuntu
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> or one of the other official derivatives.
[19:51] <max999> mr. correct to a dot ,)
[19:51] <max999> saying much to say less
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> max999, Lubuntu's support and Ubuntu's support won't know why it is randomly powering off on bodhilinux.
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> if you have a question about why something in bodhilinux doesn't work when ubuntu does, you should check with bodhilinux's support in #bodhilinux (here on freenode)
[19:52] <max999> they dont know.
[19:52] <max999> as it is ubuntu, someone here could know =)
[19:53] <max999> someone .. knowing.
[19:53] <TheLordOfTime> then i'm not able to help you
[19:53] <max999> thats okay
[19:53]  * TheLordOfTime walks off to play with php5 again, even though his eyes are bleeding because of it.
[20:26] <SAKKE_> any1 know whats wrong with my laptop? I Just installed lubuntu 12.10 and it doesnt boot at all
[20:27] <SAKKE_> it just turns on/off screen
[20:27] <SAKKE_> wtf
[20:40] <max999> sakke_: there is no error message?
[20:53] <max999> (repost from some hours ago..:) i get 'segmentation fault' when i run lxappearance (lubuntus 'customize look and feel'), trying to remove an icon theme.
[20:55] <SAKKE_> max999: nope
[20:56] <max999> sakke_: is it rebooting / powering off or staying on but turning off the screen?
[20:57] <SAKKE_> its not rebooting
[20:57] <SAKKE_> just turns on/off the screen
[20:59] <max999> after bios / efi?
[20:59] <SAKKE_> yes
[21:00] <max999> you checked if you accidently set your laptop to output to an external monitor?
[21:01] <SAKKE_> i dont think so
[21:02] <SAKKE_> i installed Xubuntu and it worked fine
[21:04] <max999> is the screen black or turned off?
[21:04] <max999> try to press escape plz
[21:09] <SAKKE_> tried
[21:15] <max999> hmm ok
[21:15] <max999> escape brought up grub for some on google
[21:15] <max999> try asking in #ubuntu maybe
[21:59] <cab> Hi, just asking if it's possible on pidgin to hide irc  status messages  like "(10:57:42 PM) delinquentme left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving)."
[21:59] <cab> or "(10:59:27 PM) maraz left the room."
[21:59] <cab> and so on ...
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> cab, i dont think pidgin is smart enough to have that as a configurable option...
[22:01] <cab> nah don't be negative seems there is a plugin for that
[22:02] <cab> btw what ru using?
[22:07] <cab> sudo apt-get install pidgin-plugin-pack
[22:07] <TheLordOfTime> you mean what am i using for irc?
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> $IRCClientOfChoice via an irc bouncer.
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> (right now, irssi, but sometimes hexchat)
[22:11] <cab> I just need a lightweight one, pidgin is default
[22:14] <cab> ah irssi is a terminal based no thx
[22:14] <cab> he he
[22:18] <TheLordOfTime> cab, there's always xchat :P  oh, and my favorite: telnet xD
[22:18]  * TheLordOfTime kids
[22:18] <TheLordOfTime> i just don't like pidgin.
[22:18] <SAKKE_> ok
[22:19] <SAKKE_> i got the message now from lubuntu
[22:19] <SAKKE_> i reinstalled Lubuntu and now it says
[22:19] <SAKKE_> * starting crash report submission daemon
[22:19] <SAKKE_> *checking battery state
[22:20] <SAKKE_> *stopping system V runlevel compatibility
[22:20] <SAKKE_> *starting
[22:20] <SAKKE_> and then it just turns off the screen
[22:20] <SAKKE_> and then it shows cursror
[22:21] <max999> sakke_: still an improvement, you can enter grub now between bios and lubuntu and add some lines that could help you.
[22:22] <max999> sakke_: what to add depends on your video card (intel / nvidia?)
[22:22] <SAKKE_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1807612
[22:23] <SAKKE_> looks like its intel chipset which it does it
[22:23] <SAKKE_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1744681
[22:25] <max999> sakke_: press tab after bios to bring up grub, you can try failsafemode
[22:29] <SAKKE_> doesnt work
[22:30] <max999> ?
[22:30] <SAKKE_> i press tab
[22:30] <SAKKE_> doesnt do anything
[22:31] <max999> sakke_: try shift
[22:33] <SAKKE_> i've tried everywthing
[22:35] <SAKKE_> i pressed shift
[22:35] <SAKKE_> it says "grub loading"
[22:35] <SAKKE_> and waited a while
[22:35] <SAKKE_> then it started to swiching on/off screen
[22:35] <SAKKE_> again
[22:36] <max999> sakke_: if you make it to enter grub modify the startup options. depending on your video card.
[22:38] <max999> sakke_: if you can boot from a livecd you could try to edit grub settings from there
[22:45] <cab> Boot-Repair
[22:46] <cab> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:47] <max999> cab: its the 2nd fresh install for sakke :l
[22:51] <cab> I've also sometimes problems, when booting lubuntu 12.04, sometimes it ends with a black screen nothing happen, have to restart manually (or sometimes saw "alignment error" or something