[06:30] <gnomefreak> anyone know if this package is needed for anything gnome-session-fallback?
[06:31] <bazhang> classic gnome look?
[06:31] <bazhang> !notunity
[06:32] <bazhang> thought it was going away in 13.04
[06:32] <bazhang> !info gnome-panel
[06:33] <gnomefreak> so as long as i dont need to use classic gnome im ok without it
[06:33] <bazhang> sure
[06:34] <gnomefreak> thanks
[06:35] <gnomefreak> its way too early to be thinking
[06:42] <IdleOne> !info gnome-session-fallback
[14:23] <christaras> Hi guys. I have a problem. Ubuntu always uses vesa drivers instead of AMD Catalyst FGLRX. Why is that so? it happens on  13.04 12.10 12.04 . Can you help me fix that
[14:30] <penguin42> hmm, what AMD chip do you have?
[14:33] <IdleOne> christaras: you're jumping from channel to channel switching support question.
[14:33] <christaras> It is 6450
[14:34] <christaras> Well iam in #ubuntu too but i was told to come here too (as i said it is Asus Ati radeon 6450 HD)
[14:36] <penguin42> well if it fails in 13.04 I guess you can ask here!
[14:37] <penguin42> christaras: However, it's not unusual for the binary drivers to be broken in alpha releases; so you're probably better to try and get it working in the release
[14:38] <christaras> Well it doesnt work in any other ubuntu version thats why asked in #ubuntu too
[14:40] <christaras> so propably i have to buy a new graphics card or hat :P?
[14:40] <christaras> what*
[14:49] <penguin42> christaras: Shouln't need to, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:50] <christaras> of course
[14:50] <penguin42> anyway, if you have an HD6xxx you don't want, I could do with upgrading my HD4xxx
[14:51] <christaras> well my previus graphics card was nvidia 8400 GS
[14:51] <penguin42> ahhhhhh
[14:52] <penguin42> christaras: Have you done a full reinstall since swapping from the nvidia?
[14:52] <christaras> HAHHAHAHAHHAH ......HAHAHAHHAHHA at least 9 times ....
[14:52] <christaras> and it is driving me mad :)
[14:52] <christaras> http://pastebin.com/NwX231pp
[14:53] <penguin42> oh ok, old installs with nvidia libs often mess things up
[14:55] <christaras> just something i forgot to mention i tried to install them with kernel 3.2/ 3.6/3.7/3.8 all of the have the same problem
[14:55] <penguin42> christaras: So that log says fglrx is all great - what makes you think it's not using?
[14:56] <christaras> the fact that glxgears have 400 fps and ubuntu says that i use vesa 107
[14:56] <penguin42> where does it say vesa 107 ?
[14:56] <christaras> Also games run 10 times better under windows rather than linux (i mean native games not trough wine)
[14:57] <christaras> well my computer is in Greek now so...
[14:57] <TheLordOfTime> and now you're delving into the offtopicness.
[14:57] <TheLordOfTime> (for windows vs. linux)
[14:57] <christaras> I am not  you go of topic
[14:57] <TheLordOfTime> !offtopic | christaras
[14:57] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Woah hang on
[14:57] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, about his comparing windows v. linux
[14:58] <TheLordOfTime> and gaming?
[14:58] <christaras> AT about this computer  it says VESA:107
[14:58] <TheLordOfTime> thhat's on topic here?
[14:58] <penguin42> christaras: So if in 13.04, you go to system settings-details waht does it say in Graphics in overview?
[14:58] <TheLordOfTime> ... oops my 13.04 VM's imploding, time for a reinstall :P
[14:58] <christaras> The lord oftime can you PLEASE STOP IT. WHAT I MEANT IS THAT IT IS NOT WORKING CORRECTLY AND I SAID THAT IN ORDER TO SHOW IT!
[14:58] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Well that was only one line!
[14:59] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42, true, i was overly hasty.
[14:59]  * TheLordOfTime grabs the latest daily ISO
[14:59] <christaras> VESA: 107
[14:59] <christaras> thats is what it reports at Details
[15:00] <penguin42> christaras: and on the detail-graphics tab what does it say for Driver?
[15:01] <christaras> As i said DriverVESA 107      Enviroment: Normal
[15:02] <christaras> (keep in mind that i am translating these from GREEK-->ENGLISH so it may not be way too accurate)
[15:02] <penguin42> I have to agree that's odd, my reading of the X log you gave me is that fglrx is happy
[15:03] <christaras> Well it seems to be because amd Catalyst control center is usable
[15:03] <christaras> for example i can enable v-Sync
[15:03] <christaras> And different settings affect performance of glxgears but still it is slow.
[15:04] <christaras> i know that glx gears is supposed to give way more fps than just 180
[15:05] <christaras> And trine 2 is playable on my pc at HIGH settings. On linux i cant even play it at 800x600 LOWEST (thelordoftime dont say offtopic :P)
[15:06] <penguin42> christaras: and what does glxgears -info say for GL_RENDERER?
[15:06] <christaras> GL_RENDERER   = AMD Radeon HD 6450 GL_VERSION    = 4.2.11903 Compatibility Profile Context GL_VENDOR     = ATI Technologies Inc.
[15:07] <christaras> it is way too strange everything is like working but in fact it doesnt!!!!!
[15:08]  * penguin42 gets 2080 fps on glxgears with the open driver on his HD4350 - IFF I turn vblank sync off
[15:08] <penguin42> christaras: Jus tto check,   export vblank_mode=0    and then run glxgears?
[15:09] <christaras> it is off otherwise how could i get 189 fps
[15:09] <penguin42> yeh, I thought I'd check anyway
[15:10] <christaras> 231 fps
[15:10] <christaras> 288
[15:10] <christaras> 372
[15:11] <penguin42> christaras: So I dunno what's going on with that, the only thing I can think of is that you're hitting some weird power saving thing
[15:11] <penguin42> christaras: What happens if you remove fglrx and fall back to the open ATI driver ?
[15:11] <christaras> same performance
[15:11] <christaras> everything works the exact same. also kernel 3.8 boot correctly then
[15:12] <penguin42> odd
[15:12] <christaras> now i am using 3.7 because 3.8 is dead now :)
[15:13] <penguin42> christaras: I'd also look at whether you're hitting some power or CPU limit somewhere - my reading of your X logs says it's happy
[15:14] <christaras> well glx geats takes around 10 cpu
[15:15] <christaras> my phone can outperform this XD
[15:20] <bjsnider> you swapped from nvidia to amd?
[15:20] <penguin42> bjsnider: But reinstalled
[15:20] <bjsnider> i wouldn't do that even if the alternative was galactic armageddon
[15:20] <christaras> well i have already formated
[15:20] <christaras> Well you would do that if you had no money to spent on it
[15:21] <christaras> it was either that or an old nvidia for the same money thats sucked.
[15:21] <christaras> i want a gpu for gaming too not only for texting
[15:21] <bjsnider> gaming in windows?
[15:22] <christaras> No
[15:22] <christaras> Games for linux exist too
[15:22] <christaras> trine 2/xonotic steam desura.
[15:23] <bjsnider> yeah, i'm just wondering why you chose amd
[15:24] <christaras> it was cheap :)
[15:24] <bjsnider> so what does dkms status give you?
[15:24] <christaras> fglrx-updates, 9.000, 3.7.0-7-generic, i686: installed
[15:25] <bjsnider> and if you do modprobe is fglrx there?
[15:25] <bjsnider> i mean lsmod
[15:25] <bjsnider> obviously vesa is going to be there
[15:25] <penguin42> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/NwX231pp is his X log - looks good to me
[15:26] <bjsnider> yeah i was reading it already
[15:26] <christaras>  have a look http://pastebin.com/B1U0E8xf
[15:27] <penguin42> christaras: This is a fairly normal Ubuntu setup with just a single user that you created during install time
[15:27] <christaras> yes
[15:29] <bjsnider> the xorg log doesn't have the info necessary to check what's happening
[15:29] <bjsnider> maybe dmesg does
[15:29] <bjsnider> or maybe there's more info at the end
[15:30] <bjsnider> it loads fglrx, but then right at the end it says oops i have to use vesa
[15:31] <christaras> how can i give you dmesg because terminal isnt big enought to show all this info
[15:31] <bjsnider> did you just copy-paste our of a terminal?
[15:31] <bjsnider> the xorg log is a file
[15:32] <bjsnider> the terminal might not have the entire log
[15:32] <christaras> no this was the log files itself i am talking about dmesg output not
[15:32] <christaras> now*
[15:34] <bjsnider> dmesg > result
[15:34] <bjsnider> then you have a file called result
[15:35] <christaras> http://pastebin.com/Fihd14yB
[15:36] <bjsnider> oh, vesa is loaded first
[15:37] <christaras> so vesa is loaded and fglrx cant be loaded too and it just lets vesa to continue :P
[15:37] <bjsnider> sucks that you've got all of those hda-intel: spurious response messages spamming dmesg
[15:37] <bjsnider> looks like it
[15:37] <christaras> can i disable vesa protocol once and for all ?
[15:38] <bjsnider> you could blacklist the module
[15:39] <christaras> hmmm..? how
[15:39] <bjsnider> this is not a good idea
[15:39] <bjsnider> vesa is there in case all else fails
[15:40] <bjsnider> so if all else fails, you would just get a black screen with vesa blacklisted
[15:40] <christaras> well if you have no other idea i am willing to do so
[15:41] <bjsnider> i really don't think i want to be providing that advice
[15:41] <bjsnider> you can look it up though, it's not a secret
[15:42] <bjsnider> blacklisting vesa should not be considered a permanent solution to this problem even if it seems to work
[15:43] <christaras> Why not?
[15:45] <christaras> Well just to point out something, I dont know if this is normal but i can play trine 2 even with vesa (laggy of course)
[15:47] <bjsnider> because if you're a trapeze artist, you want a net beneath you in case something goes wrong
[15:49] <christaras> so will remove vesa and report back
[15:49] <christaras>  :)
[16:10] <christaras> Well i removed vesa completely and it was still reported as the used driver. I uninstalled fglrx and returned to radeon and now i have 1800fps with glxgeats
[16:10] <christaras> glxgears
[16:12] <penguin42> yeh!
[16:12] <penguin42> christaras: What CPU do you have?
[16:13] <christaras> e2160 intel celeron dual core 1,8 GHZ
[16:15] <christaras> Going to install beta 12.11 and report back again :)
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> christaras, you mean 13.04 :P
[16:16] <christaras> no i mean 12.11 amd catalyst
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> oh i see
[16:16]  * TheLordOfTime misread
[16:16] <christaras> i am on 13.04 right now... :P
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> i only just reocnnected ;)
[16:16] <christaras> Ok :)
[16:16] <christaras> :O) cant install on kernel 3.8
[16:16] <christaras> will reboot on 3.7
[16:16] <christaras> I will be back :)
[16:22] <christaras> well i am on 3.7 and i have this error now... fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers.  /lib/modules/3.7.0-7-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
[16:23] <christaras> If anyone has any idea about how to fix that then just say it. i will try to fix it meanwhile
[16:26] <jtaylor> is the right linux-headers package installed?
[16:27] <christaras> i think so
[16:27] <christaras> Linux kernel headers for version 3.7.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP is installed
[16:27] <christaras> Generic Linux kernel headers  too
[16:28] <jtaylor> the headers are in usr/src not /lib on my system
[16:28] <jtaylor> but I'm currently on 12.10
[16:28] <christaras> i check these on synaptic package manager (the best)
[16:29] <christaras> well i will install any linux header available XD
[16:30] <jtaylor> are you using the fglrx package or upstreams?
[16:30] <christaras> excuse me ?
[16:30] <jtaylor> it would be weird when the package looks in the wrong place for the files
[16:31] <christaras> well i dont knwo what you mean but i had the same problem with OpenSuse
[16:32] <christaras> AMD SUCKS! i will not buy anything they create in future
[16:33] <jtaylor> so you aren't using a package?
[16:33] <christaras> What do you mean?
[16:33] <christaras> i am trying to install the latest driver downloaded from amd 12.11 with sudo sh amd.run
[16:33] <jtaylor> how are you installing fglrx?
[16:34] <christaras> sudo sh amd.run
[16:34] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[16:34] <jtaylor> that can fail easily
[16:34] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[16:34] <jtaylor> you can try symlinking the headers to the place it expects
[16:34] <christaras> Well how else can i install latest version?
[16:34] <TheLordOfTime> what jtaylor said, try symlinking the headers to where it is looking for them.
[16:35] <TheLordOfTime> that's the problem with precompiled .run files, no?  you can't figure out what its looking for where until it errors
[16:35] <christaras> Well i am not an expert with ubuntu... but i will search for that :)
[16:36] <christaras> acctualy the whole path /lib/modules/3.7.0-7-generic/build/include/linux/ exists but version.h is missing
[16:44] <penguin42> christaras: It's easier if you use ubuntu's jockey system to install AMD drivers
[16:45] <christaras> it installs an old version doesnt it?
[16:45] <penguin42> christaras: Wouldn't you prefer a working version?
[16:45] <christaras> Well yes :)
[16:46] <christaras> i cant fix it anyway.
[16:46] <penguin42> christaras: So be careful to uninstall the stuff you installed via AMD, reboot and then do jockey-text -l  to list what's available, then use jockey-text -e   to install it
[16:48] <christaras> isnt it the same trough synaptic ?
[16:50] <penguin42> not sure what the package is called via that; (Actually I've not tried this on new ubuntu's - they used to have a GUI to do it - additional drivers - not sure what the way to do that now is, but the jockey-text should work)
[16:50] <christaras> Well i have no idea how jockey-text works so i will install it the user-friendly way with GUI
[16:54] <christaras> well it is downloading and will soon install (will take 2 mins to download)
[16:58] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[17:01] <christaras> the moment of truth is close rebooting.
[17:19] <christaras> just came back to report that it failed to work
[17:22] <christaras> catalyst installed through jockey and had low performance AGAIN because vesa was used instead (although i had it uninstalled O.o), Tried forcing installing catalyst 12.11 with --force over the old version and then i had no unity working and no hardware accelaration, I just uninstalled everything and now i have Radeon open source installed from kernel 3.8 which has increased perfomance for amd GPUs. Thank you all for trying to he
[17:22] <christaras> GoodNight :O)
[17:59] <bjsnider> he may have blacklisted vesa instead of vesafb
[17:59] <bjsnider> i think the module's kernel name is vesafb
[20:59] <rrva> anyone have working sound in dosbox?
[21:29] <FernandoMiguel> boas