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| gnomefreak | anyone know if this package is needed for anything gnome-session-fallback? | 06:30 |
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| bazhang | classic gnome look? | 06:31 |
| bazhang | !notunity | 06:31 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 11.10 and higher use GNOME 3 with the !unity shell by default. To use GNOME Shell instead, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place entries in the Sessions dropdown. Using Natty? See !classic | 06:31 |
| bazhang | thought it was going away in 13.04 | 06:32 |
| bazhang | !info gnome-panel | 06:32 |
| ubottu | gnome-panel (source: gnome-panel): launcher and docking facility for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.6.2-0ubuntu3 (raring), package size 336 kB, installed size 1352 kB | 06:32 |
| gnomefreak | so as long as i dont need to use classic gnome im ok without it | 06:33 |
| bazhang | sure | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | thanks | 06:34 |
| gnomefreak | its way too early to be thinking | 06:35 |
| IdleOne | !info gnome-session-fallback | 06:42 |
| ubottu | gnome-session-fallback (source: gnome-session): GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.6.2-0ubuntu3 (raring), package size 3 kB, installed size 180 kB | 06:42 |
| christaras | Hi guys. I have a problem. Ubuntu always uses vesa drivers instead of AMD Catalyst FGLRX. Why is that so? it happens on 13.04 12.10 12.04 . Can you help me fix that | 14:23 |
| penguin42 | hmm, what AMD chip do you have? | 14:30 |
| IdleOne | christaras: you're jumping from channel to channel switching support question. | 14:33 |
| christaras | It is 6450 | 14:33 |
| christaras | Well iam in #ubuntu too but i was told to come here too (as i said it is Asus Ati radeon 6450 HD) | 14:34 |
| penguin42 | well if it fails in 13.04 I guess you can ask here! | 14:36 |
| penguin42 | christaras: However, it's not unusual for the binary drivers to be broken in alpha releases; so you're probably better to try and get it working in the release | 14:37 |
| christaras | Well it doesnt work in any other ubuntu version thats why asked in #ubuntu too | 14:38 |
| christaras | so propably i have to buy a new graphics card or hat :P? | 14:40 |
| christaras | what* | 14:40 |
| penguin42 | christaras: Shouln't need to, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? | 14:49 |
| christaras | of course | 14:50 |
| penguin42 | anyway, if you have an HD6xxx you don't want, I could do with upgrading my HD4xxx | 14:50 |
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| christaras | well my previus graphics card was nvidia 8400 GS | 14:51 |
| penguin42 | ahhhhhh | 14:51 |
| penguin42 | christaras: Have you done a full reinstall since swapping from the nvidia? | 14:52 |
| christaras | HAHHAHAHAHHAH ......HAHAHAHHAHHA at least 9 times .... | 14:52 |
| christaras | and it is driving me mad :) | 14:52 |
| christaras | http://pastebin.com/NwX231pp | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | oh ok, old installs with nvidia libs often mess things up | 14:53 |
| christaras | just something i forgot to mention i tried to install them with kernel 3.2/ 3.6/3.7/3.8 all of the have the same problem | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | christaras: So that log says fglrx is all great - what makes you think it's not using? | 14:55 |
| christaras | the fact that glxgears have 400 fps and ubuntu says that i use vesa 107 | 14:56 |
| penguin42 | where does it say vesa 107 ? | 14:56 |
| christaras | Also games run 10 times better under windows rather than linux (i mean native games not trough wine) | 14:56 |
| christaras | well my computer is in Greek now so... | 14:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | and now you're delving into the offtopicness. | 14:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | (for windows vs. linux) | 14:57 |
| christaras | I am not you go of topic | 14:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | !offtopic | christaras | 14:57 |
| ubottu | christaras: #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. | 14:57 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Woah hang on | 14:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, about his comparing windows v. linux | 14:57 |
| TheLordOfTime | and gaming? | 14:58 |
| christaras | AT about this computer it says VESA:107 | 14:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | thhat's on topic here? | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | christaras: So if in 13.04, you go to system settings-details waht does it say in Graphics in overview? | 14:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... oops my 13.04 VM's imploding, time for a reinstall :P | 14:58 |
| christaras | The lord oftime can you PLEASE STOP IT. WHAT I MEANT IS THAT IT IS NOT WORKING CORRECTLY AND I SAID THAT IN ORDER TO SHOW IT! | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | TheLordOfTime: Well that was only one line! | 14:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | penguin42, true, i was overly hasty. | 14:59 |
| * TheLordOfTime grabs the latest daily ISO | 14:59 | |
| christaras | VESA: 107 | 14:59 |
| christaras | thats is what it reports at Details | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | christaras: and on the detail-graphics tab what does it say for Driver? | 15:00 |
| christaras | As i said DriverVESA 107 Enviroment: Normal | 15:01 |
| christaras | (keep in mind that i am translating these from GREEK-->ENGLISH so it may not be way too accurate) | 15:02 |
| penguin42 | I have to agree that's odd, my reading of the X log you gave me is that fglrx is happy | 15:02 |
| christaras | Well it seems to be because amd Catalyst control center is usable | 15:03 |
| christaras | for example i can enable v-Sync | 15:03 |
| christaras | And different settings affect performance of glxgears but still it is slow. | 15:03 |
| christaras | i know that glx gears is supposed to give way more fps than just 180 | 15:04 |
| christaras | And trine 2 is playable on my pc at HIGH settings. On linux i cant even play it at 800x600 LOWEST (thelordoftime dont say offtopic :P) | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | christaras: and what does glxgears -info say for GL_RENDERER? | 15:06 |
| christaras | GL_RENDERER = AMD Radeon HD 6450 GL_VERSION = 4.2.11903 Compatibility Profile Context GL_VENDOR = ATI Technologies Inc. | 15:06 |
| christaras | it is way too strange everything is like working but in fact it doesnt!!!!! | 15:07 |
| * penguin42 gets 2080 fps on glxgears with the open driver on his HD4350 - IFF I turn vblank sync off | 15:08 | |
| penguin42 | christaras: Jus tto check, export vblank_mode=0 and then run glxgears? | 15:08 |
| christaras | it is off otherwise how could i get 189 fps | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I thought I'd check anyway | 15:09 |
| christaras | 231 fps | 15:10 |
| christaras | 288 | 15:10 |
| christaras | 372 | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | christaras: So I dunno what's going on with that, the only thing I can think of is that you're hitting some weird power saving thing | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | christaras: What happens if you remove fglrx and fall back to the open ATI driver ? | 15:11 |
| christaras | same performance | 15:11 |
| christaras | everything works the exact same. also kernel 3.8 boot correctly then | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | odd | 15:12 |
| christaras | now i am using 3.7 because 3.8 is dead now :) | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | christaras: I'd also look at whether you're hitting some power or CPU limit somewhere - my reading of your X logs says it's happy | 15:13 |
| christaras | well glx geats takes around 10 cpu | 15:14 |
| christaras | my phone can outperform this XD | 15:15 |
| bjsnider | you swapped from nvidia to amd? | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: But reinstalled | 15:20 |
| bjsnider | i wouldn't do that even if the alternative was galactic armageddon | 15:20 |
| christaras | well i have already formated | 15:20 |
| christaras | Well you would do that if you had no money to spent on it | 15:20 |
| christaras | it was either that or an old nvidia for the same money thats sucked. | 15:21 |
| christaras | i want a gpu for gaming too not only for texting | 15:21 |
| bjsnider | gaming in windows? | 15:21 |
| christaras | No | 15:22 |
| christaras | Games for linux exist too | 15:22 |
| christaras | trine 2/xonotic steam desura. | 15:22 |
| bjsnider | yeah, i'm just wondering why you chose amd | 15:23 |
| christaras | it was cheap :) | 15:24 |
| bjsnider | so what does dkms status give you? | 15:24 |
| christaras | fglrx-updates, 9.000, 3.7.0-7-generic, i686: installed | 15:24 |
| bjsnider | and if you do modprobe is fglrx there? | 15:25 |
| bjsnider | i mean lsmod | 15:25 |
| bjsnider | obviously vesa is going to be there | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/NwX231pp is his X log - looks good to me | 15:25 |
| bjsnider | yeah i was reading it already | 15:26 |
| christaras | have a look http://pastebin.com/B1U0E8xf | 15:26 |
| penguin42 | christaras: This is a fairly normal Ubuntu setup with just a single user that you created during install time | 15:27 |
| christaras | yes | 15:27 |
| bjsnider | the xorg log doesn't have the info necessary to check what's happening | 15:29 |
| bjsnider | maybe dmesg does | 15:29 |
| bjsnider | or maybe there's more info at the end | 15:29 |
| bjsnider | it loads fglrx, but then right at the end it says oops i have to use vesa | 15:30 |
| christaras | how can i give you dmesg because terminal isnt big enought to show all this info | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | did you just copy-paste our of a terminal? | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | the xorg log is a file | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | the terminal might not have the entire log | 15:32 |
| christaras | no this was the log files itself i am talking about dmesg output not | 15:32 |
| christaras | now* | 15:32 |
| bjsnider | dmesg > result | 15:34 |
| bjsnider | then you have a file called result | 15:34 |
| christaras | http://pastebin.com/Fihd14yB | 15:35 |
| bjsnider | oh, vesa is loaded first | 15:36 |
| christaras | so vesa is loaded and fglrx cant be loaded too and it just lets vesa to continue :P | 15:37 |
| bjsnider | sucks that you've got all of those hda-intel: spurious response messages spamming dmesg | 15:37 |
| bjsnider | looks like it | 15:37 |
| christaras | can i disable vesa protocol once and for all ? | 15:37 |
| bjsnider | you could blacklist the module | 15:38 |
| christaras | hmmm..? how | 15:39 |
| bjsnider | this is not a good idea | 15:39 |
| bjsnider | vesa is there in case all else fails | 15:39 |
| bjsnider | so if all else fails, you would just get a black screen with vesa blacklisted | 15:40 |
| christaras | well if you have no other idea i am willing to do so | 15:40 |
| bjsnider | i really don't think i want to be providing that advice | 15:41 |
| bjsnider | you can look it up though, it's not a secret | 15:41 |
| bjsnider | blacklisting vesa should not be considered a permanent solution to this problem even if it seems to work | 15:42 |
| christaras | Why not? | 15:43 |
| christaras | Well just to point out something, I dont know if this is normal but i can play trine 2 even with vesa (laggy of course) | 15:45 |
| bjsnider | because if you're a trapeze artist, you want a net beneath you in case something goes wrong | 15:47 |
| christaras | so will remove vesa and report back | 15:49 |
| christaras | :) | 15:49 |
| christaras | Well i removed vesa completely and it was still reported as the used driver. I uninstalled fglrx and returned to radeon and now i have 1800fps with glxgeats | 16:10 |
| christaras | glxgears | 16:10 |
| penguin42 | yeh! | 16:12 |
| penguin42 | christaras: What CPU do you have? | 16:12 |
| christaras | e2160 intel celeron dual core 1,8 GHZ | 16:13 |
| christaras | Going to install beta 12.11 and report back again :) | 16:15 |
| TheLordOfTime | christaras, you mean 13.04 :P | 16:15 |
| christaras | no i mean 12.11 amd catalyst | 16:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | oh i see | 16:16 |
| * TheLordOfTime misread | 16:16 | |
| christaras | i am on 13.04 right now... :P | 16:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | i only just reocnnected ;) | 16:16 |
| christaras | Ok :) | 16:16 |
| christaras | :O) cant install on kernel 3.8 | 16:16 |
| christaras | will reboot on 3.7 | 16:16 |
| christaras | I will be back :) | 16:16 |
| christaras | well i am on 3.7 and i have this error now... fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers. /lib/modules/3.7.0-7-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system. | 16:22 |
| christaras | If anyone has any idea about how to fix that then just say it. i will try to fix it meanwhile | 16:23 |
| jtaylor | is the right linux-headers package installed? | 16:26 |
| christaras | i think so | 16:27 |
| christaras | Linux kernel headers for version 3.7.0 on 32 bit x86 SMP is installed | 16:27 |
| christaras | Generic Linux kernel headers too | 16:27 |
| jtaylor | the headers are in usr/src not /lib on my system | 16:28 |
| jtaylor | but I'm currently on 12.10 | 16:28 |
| christaras | i check these on synaptic package manager (the best) | 16:28 |
| christaras | well i will install any linux header available XD | 16:29 |
| jtaylor | are you using the fglrx package or upstreams? | 16:30 |
| christaras | excuse me ? | 16:30 |
| jtaylor | it would be weird when the package looks in the wrong place for the files | 16:30 |
| christaras | well i dont knwo what you mean but i had the same problem with OpenSuse | 16:31 |
| christaras | AMD SUCKS! i will not buy anything they create in future | 16:32 |
| jtaylor | so you aren't using a package? | 16:33 |
| christaras | What do you mean? | 16:33 |
| christaras | i am trying to install the latest driver downloaded from amd 12.11 with sudo sh amd.run | 16:33 |
| jtaylor | how are you installing fglrx? | 16:33 |
| christaras | sudo sh amd.run | 16:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... | 16:34 |
| jtaylor | that can fail easily | 16:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | indeed. | 16:34 |
| jtaylor | you can try symlinking the headers to the place it expects | 16:34 |
| christaras | Well how else can i install latest version? | 16:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | what jtaylor said, try symlinking the headers to where it is looking for them. | 16:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | that's the problem with precompiled .run files, no? you can't figure out what its looking for where until it errors | 16:35 |
| christaras | Well i am not an expert with ubuntu... but i will search for that :) | 16:35 |
| christaras | acctualy the whole path /lib/modules/3.7.0-7-generic/build/include/linux/ exists but version.h is missing | 16:36 |
| penguin42 | christaras: It's easier if you use ubuntu's jockey system to install AMD drivers | 16:44 |
| christaras | it installs an old version doesnt it? | 16:45 |
| penguin42 | christaras: Wouldn't you prefer a working version? | 16:45 |
| christaras | Well yes :) | 16:45 |
| christaras | i cant fix it anyway. | 16:46 |
| penguin42 | christaras: So be careful to uninstall the stuff you installed via AMD, reboot and then do jockey-text -l to list what's available, then use jockey-text -e to install it | 16:46 |
| christaras | isnt it the same trough synaptic ? | 16:48 |
| penguin42 | not sure what the package is called via that; (Actually I've not tried this on new ubuntu's - they used to have a GUI to do it - additional drivers - not sure what the way to do that now is, but the jockey-text should work) | 16:50 |
| christaras | Well i have no idea how jockey-text works so i will install it the user-friendly way with GUI | 16:50 |
| christaras | well it is downloading and will soon install (will take 2 mins to download) | 16:54 |
| BluesKaj | !schedule | 16:58 |
| ubottu | Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule | 16:58 |
| christaras | the moment of truth is close rebooting. | 17:01 |
| christaras | just came back to report that it failed to work | 17:19 |
| christaras | catalyst installed through jockey and had low performance AGAIN because vesa was used instead (although i had it uninstalled O.o), Tried forcing installing catalyst 12.11 with --force over the old version and then i had no unity working and no hardware accelaration, I just uninstalled everything and now i have Radeon open source installed from kernel 3.8 which has increased perfomance for amd GPUs. Thank you all for trying to he | 17:22 |
| christaras | GoodNight :O) | 17:22 |
| bjsnider | he may have blacklisted vesa instead of vesafb | 17:59 |
| bjsnider | i think the module's kernel name is vesafb | 17:59 |
| rrva | anyone have working sound in dosbox? | 20:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | boas | 21:29 |
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