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| xnox | infinity: chort is a sad panda https://launchpad.net/builders/chort/+history | 14:41 |
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| xnox | pinged lp-ops as well. | 14:42 |
| === LordOfTime is now known as TheLordOfTime | ||
| xnox | infinity: chort is on manual, but these need to be retried: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20121221/+builds?build_text=&build_state=chrootwait | 15:04 |
| xnox | emailed doko about them. | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473072/ - running | 15:47 |
| * cjwatson vanishes again | 15:51 | |
| xnox | ack. | 17:04 |
| ScottK | http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lintian/lintian_2.5.11ubuntu12.10.1.dsc seems like an odd place to have published that. Was it discussed outside the ARB with anyone? | 17:14 |
| stgraber | hmm, that's a very bad idea indeed as there's nothing preventing a 12.10 system from just upgrading to an arb package | 17:22 |
| stgraber | and it violates ARB policy wrt never including packages that exist in the archive | 17:23 |
| ScottK | That's kind of what I thought. | 17:29 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK, we were asking about that in -bugs, and it ended up shifting to -devel. | 17:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | trying to see whats with that being in extras | 17:34 |
| ScottK | I know. That's why I know about it. | 17:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | indeed. | 17:34 |
| stgraber | I really can't think of any good reason why we'd want it in there, so I'm going to remove it for now and send an e-mail to ARB + ubuntu-devel to try and understand what's going on there | 17:36 |
| stgraber | alright, removed. Should disappear from extras.ubuntu.com the next time the mirror is synced (in an hour or so) | 17:37 |
| ScottK | stgraber: I sent an email to the ARB list. | 17:37 |
| ScottK | (while you were removing) | 17:38 |
| ScottK | I cc'ed the ubuntu-release too. | 17:38 |
| stgraber | ok, let me reply to that one then | 17:38 |
| stgraber | once I moderate it through app-review-board | 17:39 |
| ScottK | Nice having a moderated list as your primary "here's how you contact us". | 17:40 |
| stgraber | well, I tend to moderate things pretty quickly at least | 17:41 |
| stgraber | (even though I'm not on the ARB anymore) | 17:42 |
| stgraber | not really better than having ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu as contact address I guess :) | 17:42 |
| ScottK | That's one of the things I like better about Debian. Most of the lists aren't moderated, so you don't need to subscribe to send one message. | 17:43 |
| cjwatson | In hindsight I think we should have just dealt with ubuntu-devel having some noise rather than trying to apply the moderation stick to it. | 17:44 |
| cjwatson | (I can't remember what I thought at the time; IIRC it was Matt's initiative) | 17:44 |
| ScottK | stgraber: Reading the backscroll in #ubuntu-motu, I see this lintian update broke lintian4python, so it wasn't without effect on other packages. | 17:45 |
| stgraber | for the ARB mailing-list I tend to whitelist anyone who gets in the moderation queue and didn't send spam, though that's still a fair amount of manual work and depending when someone e-mails the list, a potential few hours wait (I need to sleep sometimes) | 17:46 |
| stgraber | ScottK: is it "just" causing an apt break at install or is it installing then breaking lintian on the system? | 17:47 |
| stgraber | ScottK: (as in, do we need to tell people to downgrade to the archive version?) | 17:47 |
| ScottK | The lintian4python version in quantal is incompatible with that lintian. | 17:47 |
| ScottK | It might be worth a short mail to u-d-a telling people that if they upgraded from extras they'll need to manually downgrade to the archive version if they want lintian4python to work. | 17:48 |
| ScottK | (not that it has a huge user base) | 17:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | stgraber, from my observations in #ubuntu and in a VM, its being held back automatically, like linux-headers-generic,. | 17:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | so unless you're doing a dist-upgrade or specifying it specifically, i don't think its upgrading automagically for users. | 17:49 |
| ScottK | TheLordOfTime: A lot of people will have just done apt-get dist-upgrade then. | 17:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK, true. | 17:49 |
| ScottK | And since we promise zero regressions post release and extras is enabled by default, I think we have to care. | 17:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | mhm | 17:49 |
| ScottK | First thing I do after a new install is disable extras. | 17:51 |
| ScottK | People have chided me for being over cautious because "extras won't affect existing packages". | 17:52 |
| stgraber | I guess "apt-get install lintian/quantal-updates" should be enough to get people to safely downgrade right? | 17:52 |
| ScottK | I think so. | 17:53 |
| ScottK | Upload was signed by "Bhavani Shankar <bhavi@ubuntu.com>" | 17:54 |
| stgraber | am I reading this right that the version in extras is also higher than that in raring (and even raring-proposed)? | 17:58 |
| cjwatson | Yes :-( | 17:58 |
| stgraber | fun... | 18:00 |
| stgraber | so now we'll need something >= 2.5.11ubuntu13 in raring... let's hope Debian will do a new release by then | 18:02 |
| cjwatson | Probably a safe enough assumption | 18:11 |
| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk | ||
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