[14:41] <xnox> infinity: chort is a sad panda https://launchpad.net/builders/chort/+history
[14:42] <xnox> pinged lp-ops as well.
[15:04] <xnox> infinity: chort is on manual, but these need to be retried: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20121221/+builds?build_text=&build_state=chrootwait
[15:19] <xnox> emailed doko about them.
[15:47] <cjwatson> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473072/ - running
[15:51]  * cjwatson vanishes again
[17:04] <xnox> ack.
[17:14] <ScottK> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lintian/lintian_2.5.11ubuntu12.10.1.dsc seems like an odd place to have published that.  Was it discussed outside the ARB with anyone?
[17:22] <stgraber> hmm, that's a very bad idea indeed as there's nothing preventing a 12.10 system from just upgrading to an arb package
[17:23] <stgraber> and it violates ARB policy wrt never including packages that exist in the archive
[17:29] <ScottK> That's kind of what I thought.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK, we were asking about that in -bugs, and it ended up shifting to -devel.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> trying to see whats with that being in extras
[17:34] <ScottK> I know.  That's why I know about it.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[17:36] <stgraber> I really can't think of any good reason why we'd want it in there, so I'm going to remove it for now and send an e-mail to ARB + ubuntu-devel to try and understand what's going on there
[17:37] <stgraber> alright, removed. Should disappear from extras.ubuntu.com the next time the mirror is synced (in an hour or so)
[17:37] <ScottK> stgraber: I sent an email to the ARB list.
[17:38] <ScottK> (while you were removing)
[17:38] <ScottK> I cc'ed the ubuntu-release too.
[17:38] <stgraber> ok, let me reply to that one then
[17:39] <stgraber> once I moderate it through app-review-board
[17:40] <ScottK> Nice having a moderated list as your primary "here's how you contact us".
[17:41] <stgraber> well, I tend to moderate things pretty quickly at least
[17:42] <stgraber> (even though I'm not on the ARB anymore)
[17:42] <stgraber> not really better than having ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu as contact address I guess :)
[17:43] <ScottK> That's one of the things I like better about Debian.  Most of the lists aren't moderated, so you don't need to subscribe to send one message.
[17:44] <cjwatson> In hindsight I think we should have just dealt with ubuntu-devel having some noise rather than trying to apply the moderation stick to it.
[17:44] <cjwatson> (I can't remember what I thought at the time; IIRC it was Matt's initiative)
[17:45] <ScottK> stgraber: Reading the backscroll in #ubuntu-motu, I see this lintian update broke lintian4python, so it wasn't without effect on other packages.
[17:46] <stgraber> for the ARB mailing-list I tend to whitelist anyone who gets in the moderation queue and didn't send spam, though that's still a fair amount of manual work and depending when someone e-mails the list, a potential few hours wait (I need to sleep sometimes)
[17:47] <stgraber> ScottK: is it "just" causing an apt break at install or is it installing then breaking lintian on the system?
[17:47] <stgraber> ScottK: (as in, do we need to tell people to downgrade to the archive version?)
[17:47] <ScottK> The lintian4python version in quantal is incompatible with that lintian.
[17:48] <ScottK> It might be worth a short mail to u-d-a telling people that if they upgraded from extras they'll need to manually downgrade to the archive version if they want lintian4python to work.
[17:48] <ScottK> (not that it has a huge user base)
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> stgraber, from my observations in #ubuntu and in a VM, its being held back automatically, like linux-headers-generic,.
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> so unless you're doing a dist-upgrade or specifying it specifically, i don't think its upgrading automagically for users.
[17:49] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: A lot of people will have just done apt-get dist-upgrade then.
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK, true.
[17:49] <ScottK> And since we promise zero regressions post release and extras is enabled by default, I think we have to care.
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:51] <ScottK> First thing I do after a new install is disable extras.
[17:52] <ScottK> People have chided me for being over cautious because "extras won't affect existing packages".
[17:52] <stgraber> I guess "apt-get install lintian/quantal-updates" should be enough to get people to safely downgrade right?
[17:53] <ScottK> I think so.
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[17:58] <stgraber> am I reading this right that the version in extras is also higher than that in raring (and even raring-proposed)?
[17:58] <cjwatson> Yes :-(
[18:00] <stgraber> fun...
[18:02] <stgraber> so now we'll need something >= 2.5.11ubuntu13 in raring... let's hope Debian will do a new release by then
[18:11] <cjwatson> Probably a safe enough assumption