| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| allan_ | hello | 04:05 |
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| daftykins | 0o | 04:13 |
| dwatkins | mornin | 08:27 |
| daubers | Morning | 09:45 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:04 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Here's my 27thDec'12 present anyway ... http://goo.gl/7DEur [http://books.slashdot.org/] ... anyone want the xsane-scan ?? | 11:48 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| penguin42 | popey: Hmm that Ouya looks neat, nice physical design, sounds cheap, not sure it'll do much for games, but should work nice to run Linux | 12:37 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | penguin42, Best thing is .. 'OUYA' is not registered on ebay as a seller name .. so I guess it's all poster's and buyer's market (in mini-HDMI Leads.) | 12:41 |
| popey | penguin42, yeah, I backed it, so keen to see it succeed | 13:12 |
| kvarley | popey: Will the Ubuntu ARM version run on that system? Could make a killer TV/Web Browsing box with that 1.6 GHz Quad Core Tegra in it | 13:15 |
| popey | could do | 13:15 |
| popey | could be a better set top box than rpi | 13:16 |
| popey | but I'm more interested in it as a games machine | 13:17 |
| popey | tricky though given it's not got touch at all, so many games will need some thought | 13:17 |
| kvarley | popey: That's just down to lazy devs not considering different input methods so if game devs wake up and start considering stuff it could be very good | 13:17 |
| popey | not really | 13:18 |
| popey | Android always was designed for phones and tablets | 13:18 |
| popey | so not "lazy" for devs to think their games would have a touch screen | 13:18 |
| kvarley | Yeah but for years now you've been able to have keyboards and mice connected | 13:18 |
| popey | but nobody does | 13:18 |
| kvarley | True, lazy was the wrong word. I mean, they may have otherlooked it | 13:18 |
| popey | nobody connects a keyboard/mouse to their phone! | 13:19 |
| kvarley | True, I do on my tablet tho | 13:19 |
| popey | that's only happened in the last 18 months | 13:19 |
| popey | since the TF101 and friends arrived | 13:19 |
| kvarley | Thought it was longer, sorry | 13:19 |
| popey | yeah, feels like it doesn't it? | 13:20 |
| popey | android seems to move on pretty quick | 13:20 |
| kvarley | Haha yeah, I'm just happy that Linux based stuff is getting more and more common | 13:20 |
| kvarley | I keep overlooking how short a time it's actually been prominent in the market | 13:20 |
| popey | easy to do when you use it daily | 13:20 |
| kvarley | Interesting project anyway, hope it takes off because it could be really special. The pricetag is very attractive, I know a lot of casual gamers who'd probably be interested. Are you getting a developer edition one? | 13:22 |
| popey | no | 13:23 |
| penguin42 | popey: Well I suppose the keyboard/mouse thing was there on the early transformers and on the early Toshiba netbook thing | 13:34 |
| popey | yeah, the AC100 didn't even have a touch screen | 13:34 |
| * popey looks at the ac100 under his desk | 13:35 | |
| penguin42 | yeh, that's why it died a death | 13:35 |
| penguin42 | popey: Thing is the ARM stuff moves pretty quickly so those guys are going to have to make sure it lands on time, otherwise it's going to look **yawn** compared to quad A15 things with more RAM etc | 13:35 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps :) | 13:37 |
| popey | yeah | 13:40 |
| bashrc | it's a shame that netbooks are apparently dead. I use one quite regularly | 13:40 |
| Daviey | popey: I didn't know you have an ac100 | 13:46 |
| popey | yeah, it's running ubuntu for testing compiz on arm | 13:46 |
| Daviey | popey: Japanese keyboard? | 13:46 |
| popey | no, uk | 13:46 |
| Daviey | ! | 13:47 |
| Daviey | How the heck did you get that? | 13:47 |
| Daviey | we had to get ours from Japan IIRC | 13:47 |
| popey | ebay 2nd hand | 13:48 |
| Daviey | ah | 13:48 |
| Daviey | i wouldn't taint myself with second hand wares. :) | 13:49 |
| popey | model AC100-10U | 13:49 |
| popey | tempted to make it an all-text machine | 13:49 |
| popey | remove the GUI completely and just use text based apps | 13:49 |
| Daviey | Model: PDN01-00HO1C | 13:50 |
| Daviey | mine has X, but is mostly accessed via ssh TBH | 13:50 |
| === kdjd is now known as GentileBen | ||
| DJones | Why doesn't copying 300Gb to an external USB drive happen instantly...I've run out of patience, I want to get it properly installed, but need to wait until I've copied a stack of data over | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | because it's a USB-2 spinny disk? | 14:58 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| DJones | Heh | 15:01 |
| celesteh | So I tried clicking the upgrade button on the update manager to go to 12.0.4 and it sort of worked, but a bunch of my programmes are broken. So I downloaded a disk image to reinstall from the DVD instead. The disk is teling me that if I reinstall, it will delete all my photos and data. Does it actually wipe out my home directory? I've made a backup, but would really prefer it if I could just keep the home dir. Does anybody have exp | 16:30 |
| celesteh | erience with this? | 16:30 |
| popey | celesteh, hi | 16:43 |
| popey | if you reinstall and choose to manually partition and choose _not_ to format the partition, it will reinstall over the top, keeping whatever you have in /home | 16:44 |
| celesteh | cheers, popey. when it asks me to create a user later on, do i have to make sure to pick a new user name? | 16:45 |
| popey | no, use the same username and password as your previous install | 16:45 |
| celesteh | cheers! | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | my nexus 4 arrived | 16:58 |
| * Azelphur does happy dance | 16:58 | |
| * MartijnVdS waits for an LTE Nexus | 17:00 | |
| Azelphur | and already got a buyer for my Galaxy S3, 3 hour turn over xD | 17:15 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: nexus 4 is already kind-of LTE, but it only supports half the frequencies | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | so it only works in some countries on some providors | 18:48 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: it is? interesting | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | you need rom hack too of course | 18:51 |
| Azelphur | cool | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | LTE is rubbish anyway | 18:51 |
| Azelphur | yea, it's a bit useless in this country as of yet | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | over priced, over hyped | 18:51 |
| Azelphur | I ain't payin £40/mo for mobile | 18:51 |
| Azelphur | £12.90 is more my speed :P | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | it won't actually improve speeds for individuals anyway, not when everyone has it | 18:52 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: what app were you using to play with NFC? | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: to read credit cards? squareless | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | is it free? | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | yep | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: it does not work on my cards | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | it makes a funny noise when i move the card near but then it says "read failed" | 19:12 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: might not be holding it near it for long enough, it can be fiddly | 19:16 |
| Azelphur | it's worked on every credit card I've tried | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | did you find somehwre to buy blank nfc tags? | 19:22 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: nope | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | rapidnfc.com looks good they have all kinds of stuff with nfc tags in them | 19:23 |
| Azelphur | nice | 19:27 |
| brobostigon | blackadder the third, bbc2, now, :) | 19:29 |
| Azelphur | Anyone know how I can tell if my computer is connected on 802.11g or 802.11n? | 20:13 |
| Azelphur | Trying to debug a network speed issue, doing ssh root@dd-wrt cat /dev/zero and only getting 40-400KB/sec mostly | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | something like iwconfig? | 20:15 |
| Azelphur | says it's connected at 144.4Mb/s with a link quality of 65/70 | 20:15 |
| dwatkins | you could test with netcat to rule-out the encryption as the cause | 20:15 |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: how would I do that? :P | 20:16 |
| dwatkins | or ttcp, that's even easier Azelphur - are the machines accessible directly, i.e. can you open a port on one that's visible on the other? | 20:16 |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: I got my computer (Linux) connected to a DD-WRT router | 20:17 |
| Azelphur | that's what I'm using to test, although my end goal is to make 1080p streaming work off my HTPC | 20:17 |
| directhex | Azelphur, intel wifi? | 20:17 |
| Azelphur | Belkin Components F5D8053 N Wireless USB Adapter v1000/v4000 [Ralink RT2870] | 20:17 |
| dwatkins | Azelphur: do you have another machine on the same network to test with? | 20:18 |
| Azelphur | yes | 20:18 |
| Azelphur | not sure if my laptop does N, I'll take a look. | 20:18 |
| popey | I'd just click on network manager and connection info | 20:20 |
| popey | to see what speed it's connected at | 20:20 |
| popey | or run nm-tool | 20:21 |
| dwatkins | ethtool should tell the link speed, too | 20:21 |
| dwatkins | ...if you're a command line junkie like me ;) | 20:21 |
| Azelphur | my laptop only connects at 54mb/sec, but it gets 1MB/sec throughput with ssh cat /dev/zero | 20:22 |
| Azelphur | although it is very spikey, much like how it is with my PC only a bit faster | 20:22 |
| Azelphur | looking very similar basically, so the problem is likely in the router | 20:23 |
| Azelphur | guess I'll update dd-wrt and see if that resolves it | 20:24 |
| dwatkins | ah, it's called 'nttcp' now | 20:25 |
| dwatkins | that should test the bare throughput | 20:25 |
| popey | i use iperf to test connections | 20:26 |
| Azelphur | or not, seems I'm already on the latest build | 20:26 |
| dwatkins | I'm using wireless 'n' but also 100 MBit, so I only get about 5 Megabytes per second between machines. | 20:27 |
| Azelphur | yea, I'd be fine if I could stream 1080p video via lan :P | 20:28 |
| dwatkins | I can stream 1080p on this connection. | 20:28 |
| dwatkins | ooh, nice - iperf gives much easier to read output, cheers popey | 20:29 |
| Azelphur | yea I'm in the process of trying out iperf :P | 20:29 |
| Azelphur | 2.26mbit/sec between me and my HTPC | 20:30 |
| Azelphur | although my HTPC is only connected at 802.11g | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | 1080p is a massive bandwidth hog | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: How's the TV? | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: the 55"? it's good, I like it | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | I hooked up XBMC and it's all going well | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | cool - I need to forcibly find some more wall room | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | it takes like 15 seconds to turn on which is a little annoying. | 20:31 |
| popey | ouch | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: So does our Sony | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: I think that's it's Linux boot for some reason | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | most of that is showing a furrion logo, which is odd seens as it's not even a smart TV. | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | does it have freeview? (of course it does) | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | that epg takes a while to boot up... | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | yea it does | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | even my monitor takes about 5 seconds to turn on | 20:33 |
| penguin42 | please wait: percolating naval | 20:34 |
| * penguin42 blames it all on Flash | 20:34 | |
| penguin42 | (the hardware not the software) | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | where does that "please wait: reticulating splines" gag come from? | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | oh right, sim city 2000, of course | 20:35 |
| Azelphur | just timed it, 16.6 seconds to turn on | 20:36 |
| soreau | Azelphur: nice | 20:36 |
| Azelphur | that's not from cold, that's from standby | 20:36 |
| soreau | aw | 20:36 |
| Azelphur | lol | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | that's not bad for a completely unoptimized linux firmware | 20:37 |
| Azelphur | but yea I'm happy with it, and most of the people who see it think it's awesome | 20:38 |
| Azelphur | definitely good bang for buck at only £400 :P | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | nod, I really don't have room for it unfortunately | 20:38 |
| Azelphur | when someone tells me I don't have room for screens I buy more screens | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | well a jumbo jet is awesome too, doesn't mean i want one in my living room :P | 20:39 |
| Azelphur | haha | 20:39 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Well I think I'd have to move the door to get enough wall space for it | 20:39 |
| Azelphur | it looks fine :P | 20:39 |
| * penguin42 wonders what the size of a 1920x1080 pixel is on a 55" set | 20:39 | |
| Azelphur | I'm uploading a photo of it now | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | 33^2 + 44^2 = 55^2 | 20:40 |
| Azelphur | oh wait I already have some of up close | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | except it's 16:9 | 20:41 |
| penguin42 | good try :-) | 20:41 |
| Azelphur | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ua8iy2hp6z8ytw/2012-12-27%2004.49.39.jpg?m | 20:41 |
| Azelphur | (good news everyone, I've made an invention that displays IRC highlights on my TV!") | 20:41 |
| Azelphur | but also gives you a good idea what it looks like :p | 20:42 |
| penguin42 | 40dpi? | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | (16*x)^2 + (9*x)^2 = 55^2 -> x = 2.996 | 20:43 |
| penguin42 | nod and *16=47.9 | 20:43 |
| penguin42 | then 1920/47,9 gives 40 | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | yeah, 40dpi | 20:43 |
| Azelphur | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ua8iy2hp6z8ytw/2012-12-27%2004.49.39.jpg?m is what it looks like from the couch (excuse the mess, just moved in and still unpacking/sorting things :p) | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | 0.6mm | 20:45 |
| soreau | Azelphur: It's the same link. Copy/Paste error? | 20:46 |
| Azelphur | whoops | 20:46 |
| Azelphur | https://www.dropbox.com/s/6si28g9slvjw55x/2012-12-28%2020.40.23.jpg | 20:47 |
| soreau | Azelphur: Oh yea, you need to clean your room sir | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | lol | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i was just about to say the same thing | 20:47 |
| Azelphur | indeed, I'm sorting through all the boxes of stuff, havn't really got any storage units to put anything into yet | 20:47 |
| Azelphur | ikea is set to deliver me some drawers and stuff after new years, then I'll have places to put things | 20:48 |
| Azelphur | kinda hard to tidy up in an unfurnished apartment :p | 20:48 |
| soreau | excuses | 20:48 |
| Azelphur | "this goes...on the floor...that goes...on the other floor" | 20:48 |
| soreau | heh | 20:48 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Of course with a TV that big you could just hide it all behind it | 20:49 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: true | 20:49 |
| Azelphur | "these cloths go in the chest of---floor." | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | or at that price just buy a few more and make a false wall | 20:49 |
| Azelphur | xD | 20:49 |
| Azelphur | haha | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | hmm, you could do a 'cave' - i.e. a 5 sided cube with your head in the middle | 20:50 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: you havn't seen the desk I've got on the way from ikea :P | 20:50 |
| Azelphur | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/layout.png | 20:50 |
| penguin42 | hmm, not IPs, hmm what are those numbers? | 20:51 |
| penguin42 | w/h/d ? | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | ikea part numbers | 20:51 |
| penguin42 | ah | 20:51 |
| penguin42 | I thought they just called everything Fnuglehurfs or something | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | they have names too | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | all of that is galant | 20:51 |
| penguin42 | (That's probably very unfamily friendly in some language, in which case I apologise) | 20:52 |
| Azelphur | but yea when the desk arrives I'll have lots of space to put things | 20:53 |
| popey | http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/18960/ | 20:53 |
| popey | galant! | 20:53 |
| * soreau stomps off in disgust | 20:53 | |
| Azelphur | don't hate my galant :o | 20:53 |
| Azelphur | was the only thing I could find that would give me the shape I wanted at reasonable quality | 20:54 |
| Azelphur | and a sane price | 20:54 |
| * penguin42 has contiplas and the metal wall strips+brackets | 20:54 | |
| Azelphur | hehe I'm not much on DIY so didn't like the ikea of my first project being a desk to hold ~£2000 worth of computer equipment | 20:55 |
| Azelphur | s/ikea/idea | 20:55 |
| penguin42 | nod | 20:55 |
| penguin42 | apparently you can get old 'brown' furniture quite cheaply - some of it's built like a tank; I'd be tempted to use that | 20:56 |
| Azelphur | yea, the stuff I ordered is the black/brown ikea galant :p | 20:56 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: I was thinking more about pre-50s real wood stuff that's way out of fashion | 20:56 |
| Azelphur | ah | 20:58 |
| Azelphur | doubt I could get anything in that shape though, it actually measures down to a few mm off the sides of the room | 20:58 |
| Azelphur | perfect fit :p | 20:58 |
| popey | we have a fair amount of ikea furniture, it's worked out well for us | 21:03 |
| Azelphur | good to hear :D | 21:09 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| Azelphur | I'm trying to connect to sipgate (port 5060 UDP) but my brother has that port forwarded to himself, any suggestions on how I can workaround this? | 21:35 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Get your brother drunk and reconfigure your router? | 21:36 |
| Azelphur | haha, nah, he has those ports forwarded for the exact same reason i want them | 21:36 |
| Azelphur | and, I'm borrowing his internet connection until mine gets activated in February, so he gets priority. | 21:37 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: router is too rubbish to forward an alternate one is it? | 21:50 |
| daftykins | differing source and destination ports i mean | 21:50 |
| Azelphur | it's a client rather than a server | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | I need to connect to port 5060 elsewhere, so there can only ever be one port involved | 21:51 |
| daftykins | ah | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | and the routers NAT is crap in that it doesn't work properly making it break :P | 21:51 |
| daftykins | my minds drawing a blank | 21:53 |
| Azelphur | fun | 21:54 |
| daftykins | today we mourn the loss of my Pioneer optical drive, in my desktop | 21:55 |
| daftykins | no longer is it detected :( | 21:55 |
| Azelphur | may it rest in pieces (throw it out the window for fun) | 21:55 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 21:56 |
| daftykins | is it me or was Ubuntu 10.4.4 too old to handle a SATA device being plugged in after boot? (LiveCD mode) | 22:00 |
| mgdm | Unity's alt-tab thing is not exactly intuitive :( | 22:03 |
| daftykins | this is amusing http://i.imgur.com/JqdVT.jpg | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | haha | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | that's great | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i want a tiny couch for inside my computer now | 23:03 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: what you need is a asterisk server to recieve incoming sip calls and then forward them to which ever computer... i guess... i never used sip | 23:04 |
| Azelphur | sounds long and complicated, probably better to just wait till feb when my net comes back \o/ | 23:04 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:04 |
| ali1234 | nobody uses sip anyway | 23:04 |
| ali1234 | just get skype | 23:04 |
| ali1234 | speaking of skype, i wish canonical would just license the collabora skype stuff and integrate it properly into empathy | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | i might actually use empathy if they did that | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | of course collabora already integrated it, i mean integrate it properly into ubuntu | 23:05 |
| daftykins | Microsoft haven't stopped Skype updating the Linux client then? | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | no, not that it matters | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | the collabora stuff doesn't need the skype client running that's why it is great | 23:07 |
| daftykins | why avoid it? | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | it uses the libskype, which is only available under a specific paid license | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | because the client is horrid | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't integrate properly into anything else | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | did you ever use a N900? | 23:08 |
| daftykins | the old school Nokia phone? nah | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | notice that when you get a telephone call vs a skype call, the UI is exactly the same? | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | and a single address book too | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | you don't even have to think about it | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | same for skype chat vs text messaging vs anything else | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | they all appear in one place | 23:09 |
| daftykins | i'm not sure that's important to me right now | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | well if you dn't use skype it wouldn't be | 23:10 |
| daftykins | i have done but don't really plan to skype from my mobile? | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | or if you don't use anything else but skype | 23:10 |
| daftykins | i do on the desktop | 23:10 |
| daftykins | i've got irssi, Pidgin for MSN and Skype open right now | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | N900 is a desktop practically | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | it uses empathy | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | i'm 99% sure it uses the collabora libs, but they will never admit it | 23:11 |
| daftykins | so it's all about having all your chat protocols in one client? | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | because why would you want to use 3 different clients all with different interfaces? | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | the amazingly good skype integration on N900 is basically it's killer feature | 23:12 |
| daftykins | more through lack of choice :) or effort to find anything | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | nobody cares about having X11 on a phone, seriously | 23:13 |
| ali1234 | hardly anyone even cares about having it on the desktop any more | 23:13 |
| popey | +1 | 23:14 |
| ali1234 | "android isn't linux because it doesn't use X11" <- words of silly people | 23:14 |
| popey | heh | 23:14 |
| daftykins | i'm not really sure how we got onto that topic from what came before | 23:14 |
| ali1234 | i was saying ubuntu should license the same skype integration that wen into the maemo, because it's awesome and it will sell ubuntu | 23:15 |
| ali1234 | put it in the software center for paid if necessary, i don't care | 23:17 |
| ali1234 | just save me from the stupid skype UI | 23:17 |
| daftykins | 303GB free of 5TB :( | 23:20 |
| daftykins | 4 years later, another RAID setup at the end of its' life | 23:21 |
| penguin42 | 4 years isn't a bad life I guess - how many drives? | 23:21 |
| penguin42 | youch 28m to build an ubuntu kernel | 23:21 |
| ali1234 | delete stuff | 23:22 |
| penguin42 | (124 mins of cpu time) | 23:22 |
| daftykins | yeah, probably will delete bad films etc :) | 23:23 |
| daftykins | 6 disk that one, RAID 5 naturally | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | am i the only person who has only 1 hard disk? | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | (per computer) | 23:23 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I think it's just down to us two | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | i am getting good at data recovery | 23:24 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Although even I've got an SSD as well in my main machine | 23:24 |
| daftykins | lol one? | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | i know ext3 inside out | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | i haven't had an ext4 drive die yet | 23:24 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: If you've got multiple machines, then rsync is very good! | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | i back up to the cloud | 23:25 |
| daftykins | i've got an rsync setup for backing up a clients data to external HDDs over USB 2.0, i find it takes forever | 23:25 |
| * penguin42 backs just the critical stuff up to a small insignificantly sized usb stick, but very rarely | 23:25 | |
| daftykins | i was hoping it'd quickly look at the files missing, copy those and be done | 23:25 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It has to figure out which are missing | 23:25 |
| daftykins | sure but this takes hours | 23:26 |
| penguin42 | have they got many zillions of files ? | 23:26 |
| daftykins | one set is a photo collection | 23:27 |
| penguin42 | but those are a few MB each? | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | i found rsync is quite fast at finding the missing files | 23:27 |
| daftykins | yep | 23:27 |
| daftykins | when i ran it in verbose mode, it seemed to be looking at every individual file in quite some detail | 23:27 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: That's odd, I wonder if you've got something else that's causing problems with the modification dates on the files | 23:28 |
| daftykins | i took to running it in a screen session overnight to go back and check on | 23:28 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Maybe something adding tags to the photos or the like? | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | if i ls -lR > foo.txt the directory i have to rsync, it takes several minutes - hours | 23:28 |
| daftykins | shouldn't be | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | but rsync starts transfering files immediately | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | i don't know how it does it | 23:28 |
| daftykins | maybe rsync does a lot more than i need it do | 23:29 |
| daftykins | s/do/to/ | 23:29 |
| penguin42 | for me it's normally quite sane - it does take a little while to start for me, but never long | 23:29 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Are both filesystems ext or is one fat? | 23:30 |
| daftykins | XFS -> EXT4 | 23:30 |
| penguin42 | I'd like to blame XFS, but I can't actually think of a reason to | 23:30 |
| daftykins | i chose it for his RAID as i heard it was good for large files | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | it is good for deleting large files | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | i always use it for my mythtv | 23:31 |
| daftykins | heh | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | because deleting a 4GB file on ext4 takes forever | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | and hammers the disk | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | mythtv has that option "delete slowly" for this reason | 23:31 |
| penguin42 | oh, is that still an issue on ext4 - hmm | 23:32 |
| daftykins | what does it do? zero the LBAs? XD | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | penguin42: dunno, might be ext4 only | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | i mean ext3 | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | apparently ext4 extents fixes it | 23:35 |
| penguin42 | ah good | 23:37 |
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