[08:24] <Patero-ng> why do most people hate unity?
[08:24] <Patero-ng> many have switched to debian
[08:35] <smspillaz> Patero-ng: Personal preference. It happens to be a vocal minority
[08:35] <smspillaz> the best thing the developers can do and what they are doing is continuing to make it better. It takes a little while with lots of feedback to get it right
[08:39] <Patero-ng> I can't find my advanced settings it doens't look organized seems easy to fix maybe in a later update?
[10:43] <tjaalton> guess everyone is on holiday, but I've seen a couple of times an issue with unity, where the launcher icons vanish, and it happens for both logged on users..
[10:44] <tjaalton> though the launcher still works, with an offset
[10:44] <tjaalton> this is with quantal
[10:46] <tjaalton> unity --replace didn't help
[10:46] <tjaalton> wondering if the intel driver is having issues, since it's happening on two separate user accounts
[11:25] <smspillaz> tjaalton: if the icon is working but not visible that indeed sounds like a driver bug
[12:17] <tjaalton> smspillaz: yeah, and would match with the issues I'm sometimes having when opening new windows; they only have borders and appear transparent
[12:27] <smspillaz> tjaalton: that would be something quite different :)
[12:27] <smspillaz> tjaalton: do their contents appear once you intereact with them ?
[12:27] <smspillaz> *interact
[12:52] <tjaalton> smspillaz: no, but closing some window and reopening the new one does
[13:08] <tjaalton> or minimizing it
[13:27] <smspillaz> tjaalton: resizing it too ?
[13:28] <tjaalton> smspillaz: nope..
[13:29] <tjaalton> I've seen such a bug with nvidia a long time ago tho
[13:29] <smspillaz> huh, that doesn't sound like a driver problem to me
[13:29] <smspillaz> what windows does it happen with ?
[13:29] <tjaalton> evince, firefox
[13:29] <smspillaz> tjaalton: next time it happens run xwininfo -all and click on the window
[13:30] <smspillaz> and then run xwininfo -id (parent window id minus 1 in hex) -all
[13:30] <smspillaz> and post the output in a pastebin so I can look at it
[13:30] <tjaalton> smspillaz: ok, thanks
[13:57] <tjaalton> smspillaz: now I got one of the (fullscreen) firefox windows in a weird state after running unity --replace again (accidentally killed it on a terminal where I had started it)
[13:58] <tjaalton> http://pastebin.com/C2thbgi4
[13:58] <tjaalton> can't interact with the window in any way
[14:32] <smspillaz> tjaalton: was it minimized before ?
[14:33] <smspillaz> (sorry for the answer delay, I'm working on a few other things too)
[14:34] <smspillaz> tjaalton: if it was minimized before then this is a known thing really. Since the compiz process is killed, we don't know the old input shape to restore
[14:34] <smspillaz> I suppose we could do that trick that a few other compiz plugins do and save the input shape rectangles in a property
[14:37] <smspillaz> I really need to rewrite the input shape removal code though, its a bit of a mess
[14:37] <smspillaz> I suspect with the under-resourced development process getting that done is going to take months to get through review :(
[14:43] <smspillaz> hah, I've got compiz running so fast that I forgot I was running it in valgrind
[15:23] <Klap-in> so without valgrind it is blowning you away :)
[22:05] <tjaalton> smspillaz: don't think it was, there are a couple of other firefox windows gone apparently due to that feature though. this one was fullscreen, and the content shows a snapshot of the window/desktop below, mouse cursor changes when moving around (recognizes links?) etc