[00:00] <raevol> philipballew: i guess wayland hit 1.0.0 in october?
[00:01] <raevol> i wonder why that wasn't bigger news?
[00:02] <philipballew> raevol, because these days people just want linux to work and noone cares much about what their desktop does behind the scene.
[00:02] <philipballew> this is because the people whgo work on desktop stuff do such a great job
[00:02] <raevol> well, but from a technical standpoint, it's a big deal
[00:03] <raevol> i wonder when it's going to be usable enough for ubuntu?
[00:05] <philipballew> no idea myself.
[00:05] <philipballew> I have noo idea what is going on in the linux desktop world
[00:06] <raevol> haha
[00:07] <philipballew> I just know what happen enough to fix my laptop
[00:07] <philipballew> 13.04 is nice though
[00:08] <pleia2> there are a lot of bugs still, not the least of which: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/954352
[00:08] <darthrobot> Title: [Bug #954352 “Enable wayland backend” : Bugs : “gtk+3.0” package : Ubuntu]
[00:09] <philipballew> another reason I am not running wayland
[00:12] <raevol> well, i am looking forward to when it's ready :)
[00:12] <raevol> i wonder if the noveau driver will have caught up by then (and be usable in wayland)
[00:14] <philipballew> raevol, you should run it now
[00:14] <philipballew> live life on the edge
[00:14] <raevol> nah :P
[00:14] <raevol> hahahaha
[00:14] <raevol> i guess i could run it on my netbook since i never use that anymore
[00:15] <philipballew> netbooks are nice
[00:18] <raevol> it was a life saver when i was in school
[00:18] <raevol> but now that i am only ever at work, home, or socializing, it's pretty unnecessary, especially with a smartphone
[00:19]  * philipballew does not own a smartphone
[00:24] <dragon> In Soviet Russia, smartphones own you!
[00:25] <dragon> (isn't that true everywhere now?)
[00:26] <raevol> (yes)
[00:26] <raevol> i love threads on any controversial new large piece of software in the open source community
[00:26] <raevol> they always go the same way
[00:26] <raevol> first post: some sort of announcement
[00:26] <dragon> [Is this a separate independent conversation thread?]
[00:27] <raevol> first few pages of responses:  angry nerds deriding the new software, saying the old software is fine
[00:27] <raevol> [is now!]
[00:27] <dragon> [Never thought this was possible!]
[00:27] <raevol> next few pages of responses: mix of trolling and highly informative technical discussion about the release
[00:28] <raevol> last few pages: people posting anecdotes about struggling to use the new release, finding bugs, and being amazed by the new features
[00:28] <raevol>  /thread
[00:29] <raevol> i guess the beauty of reddits vote system is that all the trolling gets pushed to the bottom of the page, instead of sitting happily in the first few pages of responses, like in traditional flat forums
[00:29] <raevol> it feels weird calling flat forums "traditional" since i remember when they only came in threads...
[00:30] <raevol> they just weren't vote-able
[00:39] <philipballew> rdddit is kinda cool sometimes