[02:45] <magespawn> early morning humour http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html
[03:11] <magespawn> and useful stuff
[03:11] <magespawn> http://www.makeuseof.com/dir/qsnipps-store-snippets-of-code-for-later-use/
[05:38] <Squirm> morning
[06:08] <magespawn> Morning Squirm
[06:27] <Kilos> morning all
[06:31] <inetpro> good morning
[06:55] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[07:00] <kbmonkey> hi hi
[07:02] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey howzit
[07:04] <kbmonkey> hi kilos
[07:04] <kbmonkey> oh dear i think my airtime just ran out
[07:04] <kbmonkey> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> eeek
[07:05] <kbmonkey> how you Kilos 
[07:05] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[07:05] <Kilos> ok ty kbmonkey 
[07:24] <Squirm> so tired this morning
[07:30] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:30] <Kilos> late night
[07:40] <Squirm> umm
[07:40] <Squirm> 2 hours sleep :/
[07:40]  * Squirm shrugs
[07:41] <Squirm> going to sit at the dam today
[08:19] <Kilos> sit and sleep but no in the sun
[08:19] <Kilos> hehe
[08:27] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[08:27] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[08:29] <Kilos> have you got your server connected to a router?
[08:29] <magespawn> yes
[08:30] <magespawn> I let the router control the ip addresses for my network
[08:30] <Kilos> maybe thats why im struggling so. mine is direct cable to this pc and iptables arent working good
[08:31] <Kilos> what if one installs server on a second drive in a pc?
[08:31] <Kilos> might it then go via first drive to 3g?
[08:32] <magespawn> No you can only have one boot os as far as i know
[08:32] <magespawn> the direct cable should work fine
[08:33] <Kilos> i noticed when i added the maverick drive there maverick didnt see it but the server saw maverick
[08:34] <Kilos> its a serious business setting up iptables to actually work. i got the server once to ping google but it couldnt do an update
[08:34] <Kilos> now i dont even get it to do that anymore
[08:51] <Kilos> magespawn, can i bug you?
[08:51] <Kilos> how do you get the server to cp from a flash drive
[08:56] <Kilos> when i plug in a stick here i get
[08:57] <Kilos> assuming drive cache write through then no caching page present a few times then it just stays there but sees the stick as sdb
[09:00] <magespawn> cp=copy?
[09:00] <Kilos> ya
[09:01] <Kilos> like i cant get to rsync via /media/stick or /dev/sdb/
[09:01] <magespawn>  You would you the path to your flash drive then the path to where you want to copy
[09:02] <Kilos> its the correct path i cant find
[09:02] <magespawn> Ah right hold on  asec
[09:03] <Kilos> on ubuntu i use rsync -av /media/packs/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:04] <magespawn> df -h
[09:04] <magespawn> That should show all the mount points
[09:05] <magespawn> Let me go to pc
[09:06] <Kilos> nothing there about sdb at all
[09:06] <Kilos> and i cant even paste the output anywhere
[09:07] <Kilos> /dev/mapper/slowP4-root and /dev/sda1
[09:07] <magespawn> gandcnet2@gandcnet2-desktop:~$ df -h
[09:07] <magespawn> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[09:07] <magespawn> /dev/sda1       293G  9.2G  269G   4% /
[09:07] <magespawn> udev            430M  4.0K  430M   1% /dev
[09:07] <magespawn> tmpfs           175M  820K  174M   1% /run
[09:07] <magespawn> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[09:07] <magespawn> none            437M   88K  437M   1% /run/shm
[09:07] <magespawn> that is before the flash 
[09:07] <Kilos> ya like that
[09:08] <Kilos> where is the stick
[09:08] <Kilos> ah
[09:08] <magespawn> and after is shows /dev/sdb1       7.5G  3.2G  4.3G  43% /media/3935-193F
[09:08] <magespawn> at the bottom
[09:08] <Kilos> aw mine doesnt
[09:08] <magespawn> so this means that tha it is not mounting or it is not working at all
[09:10] <magespawn> did you set it to auto mount?
[09:10] <Kilos> no it says assuming drive cache: write through then doesnt go back to prompt again
[09:11] <Kilos> i never saw any settings like that
[09:11] <magespawn> me neither
[09:12] <Kilos> lol
[09:12] <Kilos> leme try mount it
[09:13] <Kilos> grrr it says you must specify the filesystem type
[09:14] <Kilos> maybe i must format the stick to ext4 first because it seems to look for ext 4 and 2
[09:14] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB maybe look here
[09:14] <Kilos> ty
[09:15] <magespawn> no it should work with the other file systems too
[09:16] <Kilos> VFS: cant find ext4 filesystem
[09:16] <Kilos> error: cant find ext2 filesystem on dev sdb
[09:16] <Kilos> grrr
[09:16] <magespawn> oh and dconf-tools will only work on a gui system
[09:17] <Kilos> if i could just get it to go online with 3g id install a gui
[09:17] <Kilos> lol
[09:17] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to setup an ubuntu server to use a 3g modem
[09:18] <Maaz> Kilos: "Configure Micromax MMX 352G USB 3G Modem and ... - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/143394/configure-micromax-mmx-352g-usb-3g-modem-and-aircel-in-ubuntu-server-12-04-to-co :: "10.10 - How to install 3G mobile broadband? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/8441/how-to-install-3g-mobile-broadband :: "NetworkManager/Hardware/3G - Ubuntu
[09:18] <Maaz> Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G :: "[ubuntu-za] 3G modem" https://li…
[09:22] <Kilos> maybe im getting somewhere
[09:22] <Kilos> sudo fdisk -l shows it as /dev/sdb1
[09:24] <magespawn> was about to ask what fdisk shows
[09:24] <magespawn> lol
[09:25] <magespawn> it might be easier to share the network connection than set up the modem on the server
[09:26] <Kilos> what a job to read this
[09:26] <Kilos> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[09:27] <Kilos> here and type it on server
[09:28] <magespawn> no copy/paste
[09:28] <magespawn> can you not ssh to the server via the network cable?
[09:33] <Kilos> yoohoo
[09:33] <magespawn> you winning Kilos?
[09:33] <Kilos> it is now seen as /media/external
[09:33] <Kilos> and rsync running
[09:34] <magespawn> excellent
[09:34] <magespawn> can you ssh to the server Kilos?
[09:34] <Kilos> so the big job is to let it be able to do an update
[09:34] <Kilos> i dont know what that is magespawn 
[09:35] <magespawn> hold on a sec
[09:35] <Kilos> i can ping it from here but not from there back again
[09:35] <magespawn> Secure Shell or SSH is a network protocol that allows data to be exchanged using a secure channel between two networked devices
[09:35] <magespawn> so you set up a ssh server on the serve pc
[09:37] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[09:37] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[09:38] <magespawn> very useful then you can control both computer using just one keyboard/monitor setup
[09:39] <Kilos> ty i will look there
[09:39] <Kilos> i used the openssh choice
[09:40] <Kilos> had to mkdir /media/external for external sticks etc
[09:41] <Kilos> so much that ubuntu does for us one doesnt  realise till you try a server
[09:41] <Kilos> gui i mean
[09:42] <Kilos> maybe this is what zeref was looking for yesterday as well
[09:42] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[09:42] <magespawn> yup but it is a good way to learn
[09:43] <magespawn> i love ssh 
[09:43] <Kilos> you are right
[09:50] <magespawn> Kilos do you use youtube?
[09:51] <Kilos> to watch videos etc?
[09:51] <Kilos> i have an account there but never go look at stuff
[09:52] <Kilos> getting software is a far better use of data
[09:53] <Kilos> why you ask?
[09:53] <magespawn> youtube does use a lot, but there are a lot of tutorials 
[09:54] <Kilos> i just got some on drive repairs
[09:55] <Kilos> if i go there often my 8ta bundle wont make 2 months
[09:58] <magespawn> thats true
[09:59] <magespawn> thats is one thing the govenment does not seem to understand about internet access
[10:00] <Kilos> as long as there is money to be made peeps will limit everything they can to make more money
[10:01] <Kilos> especially mobile broadband providers
[10:15] <Kilos> so weird, i can ping 8.8.8.8 from server but cant do an update
[10:19] <magespawn> what is 8.8.8.8?
[10:20] <magespawn> the mobile guys are stuck with the bandwidth provided with the international cables etc
[10:20] <Kilos> google
[10:24] <magespawn> really?
[10:24] <Kilos> thats what the fly said methinks
[10:24] <Kilos> yo superfly 
[10:25] <magespawn> when i ping www.google.co.za i get this ip 74.125.233.88
[10:25] <Kilos> lemme try that
[10:25] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:26] <magespawn> and when i ping www.google.com i get this ip 74.125.233.49
[10:27] <Kilos> i get unknow host www.google.co.za and .com
[10:27] <Kilos> but can ping 8.8.8.8
[10:27] <Kilos> grrr
[10:28] <Kilos> magespawn, how do you now use this ssh thing to see the other pc
[10:28] <Kilos> a link will do
[10:29] <magespawn> open a terminal on your pc then type ssh username@ipaddress where username is the name of the user on the server and the ip is the ip address of the server
[10:29] <Kilos> ah ok ty
[10:29] <magespawn> a ssh server has to be running on the server though first
[10:30] <Kilos> oh my and i cant install it till i get it online
[10:30] <Kilos> isnt that openssh the server
[10:31] <magespawn> yes
[10:31] <Kilos> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.2 port 22: Connection refused
[10:31] <Kilos> grrr
[10:34] <Kilos> worked from server to here and made its own key thing
[10:34] <Kilos> hehe
[10:34] <magespawn> did you read that link i posted?
[10:34] <magespawn> looks like your desktop is blocking incomming connections
[10:35] <Kilos> its the server that i coudnt ssh from here
[10:35] <Kilos> but worked from server to here
[10:36] <Kilos> i didnt do the key part in that link. didnt know what to do but will look again
[10:37] <Kilos> which pc is the host now this one or the server
[10:42] <magespawn> host for what?
[10:42] <magespawn> the ssh?
[10:47] <Kilos> whew
[10:48] <Kilos> ssh-keygen -t dsa
[10:48] <Kilos> generates keys from each pc but i cant do this
[10:48] <Kilos> ssh-copy-id username@remotehost
[10:49] <Kilos> from either pc
[10:49] <magespawn> an easier way to do it would be to use iptables to restrict access to specific ip address. not as secure
[10:51] <Kilos> i have setup iptables in nm for the 2 different ips
[10:54] <Kilos> ssh-copy-id miles@192.168.1.2
[10:54] <Kilos> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found
[10:54] <Kilos> can the username be the same?
[10:55] <magespawn> yes
[10:56] <magespawn> as far as i remember
[10:56] <Kilos> then i dunno why it cant copy then
[10:56] <magespawn> or you can set up a user with restricted access for the ssh
[10:56] <magespawn> i forget much too Kilos
[10:56] <Kilos> one pc is miles@192.168.1.1
[10:57] <Kilos> other is miles@192.168.1.2
[10:57] <Kilos> hehe
[10:58] <Kilos> maybe its something in the ssh conf file i gotta change
[11:00] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[11:00] <Kilos> be good meantime
[11:00] <Kilos> ty for the help magespawn 
[11:01] <magespawn> np
[11:10] <superfly> magespawn, Kilos: openssh server is not installed by default on desktops 
[11:11] <magespawn> ahh so maybe that is the problem then
[11:11] <superfly> there is nothing wrong with your configuration or you firewall
[11:12] <magespawn> i th
[11:12] <magespawn> what would be the problem with the ping then
[11:12] <magespawn> ?
[11:13] <superfly> routing
[11:14] <magespawn> okay
[11:15] <superfly> oh, you can ping ip addresses but not domain names?
[11:15] <magespawn> explain please
[11:15] <superfly> DNS forwarding
[11:15]  * superfly didn't see the whole story
[11:16] <magespawn> Kilos can ping the his server from the desktop but not vice versa
[11:21] <superfly> magespawn: ah, yes, most likely routing
[11:22] <magespawn> so the server does not know where to send the packets?
[11:22] <superfly> most likely
[11:23] <superfly> though that's a little strange
[11:24] <Kilos> i can ping both ways magespawn 
[11:24]  * superfly is starting to get used to this swiping
[11:24] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[11:24] <magespawn> nice hey superfly
[11:25] <Kilos> firewalls purged superfly 
[11:25] <superfly> magespawn: pretty cool
[11:25] <Kilos> arno and ufw
[11:25] <magespawn> gotta go, bbl y'all
[11:25] <Kilos> go well magespawn 
[11:26] <superfly> still love my n900's physical keyboard more 
[11:27] <Kilos> all good there superfly ? put on some weight
[11:27] <Kilos> ?
[11:27] <superfly> kilos, why are you running two firewall programs at the same time?
[11:27] <Kilos> can one wget updates
[11:27] <superfly> Kilos: no extra weight yet
[11:28] <Kilos> forgot ufw was there when i installed arno to try the sharing 3g bit
[11:29] <Kilos> my server can ping 8.8.8.8 but cant do sudo apt-get update
[11:29] <Kilos> so maybe a restriction somewhere
[11:36] <superfly> no, just DNS not set up properly
[11:38] <superfly> Kilos: type: cat /etc/resolv.conf 
[11:39] <Kilos> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[11:39] <Kilos> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[11:39] <Kilos> nameserver 127.0.0.1
[11:39] <superfly> yes, there we go. 
[11:40] <Kilos> hehe what do you see?
[11:41] <Kilos> wrong ip for server?
[11:46] <Kilos> how would one edit that and not let it be overwritten
[13:11] <Kilos> superfly,  sorry to bug you. when i gedit that resolve.conf
[13:11] <Kilos>  do i add the ip of this pc or the server?
[13:11] <Kilos> i mixed up some. this is the ssh server right and that is just a server pc
[13:12] <charl_> good afternoon all
[13:12] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[13:12] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[13:21] <charl_> i'm looking at the fibre optic deals, i could get 100mbps for only about 3 euro per month more than what i'm paying already
[13:21] <charl_> it's time they upgrade my city to fibre :)
[13:21] <Kilos> wow
[13:22] <charl_> yeah i don't know why the city where i live is lagging behind
[13:22] <charl_> i'm not really happy with my current cable provider because i am paying 53 euro per month for 60mbps
[13:22] <Kilos> ouch thats not cheap
[13:23] <charl_> i'm thinking i should downgrade to dsl, then i pay 23 euro per month but i get only 29 mbps
[13:23] <charl_> but that's less than half what i'm paying now for half the bandwidth
[13:23] <charl_> but ziggo (my cable provider) has monopoly at this point, that's why the prices are so high
[13:23] <charl_> not that the service is bad, i've never had my connection die on me or anything
[13:24] <Kilos> ah
[13:25] <charl_> what i also don't get is that the pirate bay is being blocked on ziggo even though pirating is legal in the netherlands
[13:25] <charl_> i don't care about pirating too much but i do care about net neutrality
[13:26] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[13:26] <Kilos> what you want to pirate?
[13:27] <charl_> no like i said i don't care about the pirate bay, but it's against net neutrality
[13:52] <Kilos> good pirates end up walking the gang plank
[13:58] <charl_> lol
[13:58] <charl_> but that's not the point, they could have been blocking any ip address, it's the principle behind it
[13:58] <charl_> the principle is that they should not be able to block any given ip address
[13:59] <Kilos> lol ya i understand
[14:00] <charl_> this looks like a great course, but it's quite expensive: http://www.w3devcampus.com/writing-great-web-applications-for-mobile/
[14:01] <charl_> when i see the price tag i think "i'll just figure it out myself and do some googling"
[14:01] <charl_> but if you work for a company and they have a budget for training...
[15:23]  * Squirm stretches
[15:23] <Squirm> Kilos: guess what happened to me at the dam today :/
[15:23] <Kilos> lol tell
[15:23] <Squirm> sunburn
[15:23] <Kilos> aw no man
[15:23] <Squirm> :P
[15:23] <Squirm> but
[15:23] <Squirm> you have no idea how much suncream I used :/
[15:24] <Kilos> some are just a waste of money
[15:24] <Squirm> nivia
[15:24] <Squirm> 30spf
[15:24] <Kilos> wow
[15:24] <Squirm> oh well
[15:24] <Squirm> if I go tomorrow I'm wearing a shirt all day
[15:24] <Kilos> do you tan or just burn and peal
[15:25] <Squirm> umm
[15:25] <Squirm> I used to tan
[15:25] <Kilos> vinegar will help for the burn
[15:25] <Squirm> but since I've come back from the UK, I don't think I've quite built up my base tan properly
[15:25] <Kilos> and vicks will help so you dont peal
[15:25] <Squirm> I may peel again
[15:26] <Kilos> vicks should help prevent pealing
[15:26] <Kilos> and vinegar should stop the eina
[15:26] <Squirm> not that sore
[15:27] <Kilos> have you googled how to prevent pealing after sunburn
[15:27] <Squirm> I just try aqueous cream
[15:27] <Kilos> if you can save from pealing then your base tan should stay
[15:28] <Squirm> yeah, I think I was burned as well, cause it's kind of new skin. I haven't finished peeling from last Friday
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[15:28] <Squirm> but yoh, the sun was hot today. easily 30deg
[15:28] <Kilos> yeah today was 33 here by us
[15:28] <Squirm> and I got my skii and wakeboard
[15:29] <Squirm> bbl, pool time ;)
[15:30] <Kilos> k
[17:03]  * Squirm yawns
[17:04]  * Squirm prods Kilos 
[17:04] <Kilos> hi Squirm Cantide 
[17:04] <Kilos> hehe
[17:04] <Squirm> Kilos: good weekend?
[17:04] <Kilos> is today not saturday?
[17:05] <Squirm> it's Sunday...
[17:05] <Kilos> if so weekend still got another day to go
[17:05] <Squirm> but has it been good so far?
[17:06] <Kilos> kinda if my server would listen to me
[17:06] <Squirm> what's it doing?
[17:06] <Squirm> ...or not doing
[17:07] <Kilos> i installed the ssh stuff here too but can ssh from server to here but not the other way around
[17:07] <Squirm> have you started the service?
[17:07] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[17:07] <Kilos> then storm comes and kills power twice so i left the server off now
[17:07] <Cantide> Squirm '<
[17:07] <Kilos> ya
[17:08] <Squirm> hello Cantide 
[17:08] <Squirm> Kilos: firewall not getting in the way?
[17:08] <Kilos> it kinda refused or something
[17:08] <Squirm> maybe try `ufw disable`
[17:08] <Kilos> purged all firewalls everywhere
[17:08] <Squirm> test it
[17:09] <Kilos> wait some its booting
[17:09] <Squirm> so connection refused?
[17:09] <Squirm> I'd say firewall or service isn't running
[17:10] <Squirm> # service ssh start
[17:10] <Kilos> must i install anything on the server too
[17:10] <Squirm> on the server, you just need the openssh-server
[17:10] <Kilos> ok i chose that
[17:12] <Kilos> job is already running
[17:12] <Squirm> and you still can't login?
[17:12] <Kilos> with this command
[17:13] <Kilos> ssh miles@192.168.1.2
[17:13] <Squirm> yes
[17:13] <Kilos> thats the servers ip
[17:13] <Kilos> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.2 port 22: Connection refused
[17:13] <Squirm> Kilos: on the server, try   ssh miles@127.0.0.1
[17:14] <Kilos> ok sec
[17:14] <Kilos> connection refused
[17:15] <Kilos> thew fly said it was here
[17:15] <Squirm> try this on the server, cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep Port
[17:15] <Squirm> it should be 22
[17:15] <Squirm> though it's a long shot that it isn't
[17:16] <Squirm> and I know you said it was running
[17:16] <Squirm> ps aux | grep sshd
[17:17] <Kilos> no such file or directory
[17:18] <Squirm> Kilos: are you sure you have openssh installed?
[17:18] <Squirm> openssh-server
[17:18] <Kilos> ya i chose the top option it was openssh something
[17:18] <Squirm> apt-get install openssh-server
[17:19] <Squirm> it should tell you if you have it installed
[17:19] <Squirm> or if `which sshd` returns anything
[17:19] <Kilos> sshd in red at the end of ps aux | grep sshd
[17:20] <Squirm> hmm, so you have sshd
[17:20] <Squirm> but the config file doesn't seem to be there
[17:21] <Kilos> wait lemme find what the fly said to do
[17:21] <Kilos>  cat /etc/resolv.conf
[17:22] <Kilos> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[17:22] <Kilos> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[17:22] <Kilos> nameserver 127.0.0.1
[17:22] <Kilos> where that ip comes from
[17:22] <Squirm> then I still think this command should have worked
[17:22] <Squirm> ssh miles@127.0.0.1
[17:23] <Kilos> The authenticity of host '127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.
[17:23] <Kilos> ECDSA key fingerprint is 10:a1:ec:28:08:11:8b:72:6e:a0:1d:c5:c9:6f:4a:ed.
[17:23] <Kilos> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? 
[17:24] <Squirm> yes
[17:24] <Kilos> yes
[17:24] <Squirm> type yes
[17:24] <Kilos> hehe
[17:24] <Squirm> oh wait, did you type that command on the server?
[17:24] <Kilos> no here
[17:25] <Squirm> oh
[17:25] <Squirm> you just ssh'd into your pc from your pc
[17:25] <Kilos> should i have done it there
[17:25] <Squirm> no
[17:25] <Squirm> Kilos: try and copy /etc/ssh/sshd_config from your pc to your server
[17:25] <Squirm> or an example
[17:25] <Squirm> http://slexy.org/view/s2xXdsAHkA
[17:25] <Kilos> eeek
[17:26] <Squirm> does your server have internet?
[17:26] <Kilos> no i have 3g here
[17:26] <Squirm> maybe copy it onto a flash drive
[17:27] <Squirm> and put it in the same place on the server. then from the server do a `service ssh restart`
[17:27] <Squirm> I skiied once today and wakeboarded once today. but my legs are like jelly :/
[17:27] <Squirm> more skiing in the morning :)
[17:28] <Cantide> that's the best way to get fit - keep at it :)
[17:29] <Kilos> i need a command to copy that file please
[17:29] <Squirm> Cantide: I try, I just don't have a boat. so I have to rely on other people
[17:29] <Squirm> Kilos: to where
[17:29] <Kilos> flash here is media 4G
[17:30] <Squirm> so, `cp /etc/ssh/sshd_config /media/4G`
[17:30] <Squirm> ?
[17:30] <Kilos>    /media/4G/
[17:31] <Squirm> then on your server, as root. `cp /media/4G/sshd_config /etc/ssh`
[17:31] <Kilos> whats the little ' at the end for
[17:31] <Squirm> it's just to denote it's a command
[17:31] <Kilos> no there it is /media/external
[17:31] <Kilos> had to mkdir /media/external there
[17:31] <Squirm> the just substitute it for 4G
[17:32] <Kilos> ok lemme go there now
[17:33] <Squirm> Cantide: it's really good fun though. haven't used a wakeboard in a while. too tiring and much prefer slalom
[17:34] <Cantide> Squirm, I bet :)
[17:34] <Cantide> i was invited to go water skiing tomorrow
[17:34] <Cantide> but the weather is too hot
[17:34] <Cantide> and i have some things to do
[17:36] <Kilos> no such file or directory
[17:38] <Squirm> Kilos: which pc?
[17:38] <Kilos> i can see the file on the stick here
[17:38] <Kilos> i can cd to /media/external on the server
[17:38] <Kilos> but ls shows nothing
[17:39] <Squirm> `ls /media`
[17:39] <Squirm> what do you see?
[17:40] <Kilos> server givescdrom external floppy floppy0
[17:40] <Squirm> hmm
[17:40] <Squirm> have you ever used mount before?
[17:40] <Kilos> kinda
[17:40] <Kilos> sudo mount
[17:41] <Kilos>  and /mnt at the end
[17:41] <Squirm> not exactly
[17:41] <Squirm> if you type dmesg
[17:41] <Squirm> it'll be right near the bottom. you'll see text about a usb drive
[17:41] <Squirm> and you'll see the device
[17:41] <Squirm> it'll probably be sdf or something
[17:42] <Squirm> or sdb
[17:42] <Squirm> it'll be amongst talk about usb
[17:42] <Squirm> at the end
[17:43] <Kilos> there is scsi6 usb-storage 1-7:1.0
[17:43] <Kilos> and
[17:44] <Kilos> scsi 6:0:0:0 Direct-Access hp v240b and some mopre
[17:45] <Kilos> more
[17:45] <Kilos> and sdb: sdb1
[17:45] <Squirm> umm
[17:45] <Squirm> ok, that
[17:45] <Squirm> mount /dev/sdb1 /media/external
[17:46] <Squirm> then try ls /media/external
[17:46] <Kilos> sec
[17:46] <Kilos> hard to read here and type there
[17:46] <Squirm> for all I know we could be wasting our time :/ but I'm trying :P
[17:47] <Kilos> ya it shows the file
[17:47] <Kilos> ty
[17:48] <Squirm> ok, then try run the cp again
[17:48] <Kilos> sshd_config in green
[17:48] <Kilos> same command
[17:48] <Kilos> ?
[17:48] <Squirm> cp /media/external/sshd_config /etc/ssh
[17:49] <Squirm> and then service ssh restart
[17:49] <Squirm> then from the server, try ssh miles@127.0.0.1
[17:49] <Squirm> again
[17:51] <magespawn> hey guys
[17:51] <Squirm> hello magespawn 
[17:52] <Kilos> ssh: unrecognized service
[17:52] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[17:52] <Kilos> cant restart it with that command
[17:52] <Kilos> or must that be here?
[17:53] <Squirm> no, on your server
[17:53] <Kilos> it dont recog that service
[17:54] <Squirm> on your server, did you try type ps aux | grep sshd
[17:55] <Kilos> sec ill do it again i think
[17:56] <Kilos> ya it gave sshd in red remember
[17:56] <Squirm> /usr/sbin/sshd -D
[17:56] <Squirm> shows something like that?
[17:56] <Kilos> this is as difficult as iptables stuff
[17:58] <Squirm> on your server, try dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
[17:58] <Kilos> /usr/sbin/sshd: no such file or directory
[17:58] <Kilos> ok sec
[17:59] <magespawn> hey Squirm, Kilos
[18:00] <Kilos> openssh-server is not installed
[18:00] <Squirm> Kilos: I told you :p
[18:00] <Kilos> whew
[18:00] <magespawn> ahh there is the problem
[18:00] <Squirm> I should have tried that command first :/
[18:00] <Kilos> got some commands for dpkg to 
[18:00] <Kilos> examine archives
[18:01] <Squirm> so you'll have to get internets on your server and apt-get install openssh-server
[18:01] <Kilos> and list their contents
[18:01] <Kilos> eek
[18:01] <magespawn> isnt it supposed to be installed by default?
[18:01] <Squirm> magespawn: not the server
[18:01] <Squirm> the client is
[18:03] <Kilos> Squirm, i can copy openssh-server from here to flash and then take it there
[18:03] <magespawn> i thought the server was installed by default in ubuntu server
[18:03] <Squirm> Kilos: ig you have the deb
[18:03] <Squirm> s/ig/if
[18:03] <Squirm> and it's dependencies
[18:03] <Squirm> magespawn: Kilos said there was a checkbox he did check. didn't seem to work
[18:04] <Kilos> i have it installed here so .deb must be in archives but dunno what dependancies
[18:04] <Squirm> Kilos: maybe it's on the ubuntu server cd?
[18:04] <magespawn> strange
[18:04] <Kilos> ok cd is in
[18:05] <Kilos> now the media route again
[18:05] <Squirm> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/openssh-server is a list of dependencies
[18:05] <Kilos> whew
[18:05] <Squirm> never tried copying the files though
[18:05] <Kilos> is there a way to tell it to install from cd?
[18:07] <Squirm> yes
[18:07] <Squirm> a line needs to be added to /etc/apt/sources,list
[18:07] <Squirm> but it's to find out exactly what
[18:08] <smile2013> hi Squirm :p
[18:08] <Kilos> eek
[18:08] <Squirm> hello smile2013 
[18:08] <smile2013> hi Kilos :)
[18:08] <Kilos> and no gedit on the server
[18:08] <Kilos> hi smile2013 
[18:08] <smile2013> Squirm: what are you trying? :)
[18:08] <Squirm> Kilos: nano
[18:10] <Squirm> Kilos: on the server, nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:10] <Squirm> is there a commented out line that starts with cdrom ?
[18:10] <Squirm> starts with something like: deb cdrom:
[18:13] <Squirm> uncomment it
[18:13] <Kilos> #deb cdrom [ubuntu-server 12.04.1 LTS bla bla
[18:14] <Squirm> then apt-get update
[18:14] <Squirm> yes
[18:14] <Squirm> take away the #
[18:14] <Squirm> then apt-get update
[18:14] <Kilos> how
[18:14] <Squirm> then apt-get install openssh-server
[18:14] <Squirm> scroll to it with your cursor
[18:14] <Kilos> ah
[18:14] <Squirm> click backspace/delete
[18:14] <Squirm> ctrl + o
[18:14] <Squirm> ctrl + x
[18:14] <Kilos> there are 2 of them
[18:14] <Squirm> o saves, x exits
[18:15] <Squirm> maybe just uncomment both
[18:15] <Squirm> the update, then install
[18:15] <Kilos> ok
[18:15] <Squirm> I'll be back in 10. sorry
[18:15] <Kilos> np
[18:16] <Kilos> gives me a chance
[18:21] <Kilos> ign cdrom 7 times
[18:22] <Kilos> then it tried to go online again
[18:22] <Kilos> grrr
[18:23] <Kilos> yay its installing from cd
[18:23] <smile2013> Kilos: :DD
[18:23] <Kilos> yooohoooo
[18:23]  * smile2013 installed mac os x a while ago
[18:24] <smile2013> it's slow :o
[18:24] <smile2013> But I don't like it
[18:24] <smile2013> :p
[18:24] <Kilos> try running ubuntu-server
[18:24] <Kilos> its fast
[18:24] <Kilos> but not pretty
[18:24] <Kilos> all text mode
[18:25] <smile2013> Lol, I need xcode for mac :p doesn't run on ubuntu
[18:25] <smile2013> yaay, os x is now running full screen
[18:25] <smile2013> :)
[18:29] <magespawn> making progress Kilos?
[18:29] <Kilos> ssh miles@127.0.0.1 from server did the fingerprint thing
[18:29] <Kilos> and shows 1 user logged in
[18:30] <magespawn> that would be you Kilos
[18:30] <Kilos> i would hope so magespawn 
[18:31] <Kilos> now i should see it from here not so?
[18:31] <Kilos> so now do i ssh miles@192.168.1.2 from here?
[18:32] <Kilos> it shows that as its ip addy
[18:34] <magespawn> yes 
[18:35] <magespawn> sorry got disconnected
[18:35] <Kilos> np
[18:35] <magespawn> yes that should work
[18:37] <magespawn> and?
[18:37] <Kilos> shows the same info as the server did
[18:38] <Kilos> also did the fingerprint thing
[18:38] <magespawn> that should be it then
[18:39] <Kilos> so now if i apt-get update here will it do the server
[18:39] <Kilos> ?
[18:39] <magespawn> the fingerprint is so that you know you are connecting to the right machine
[18:40] <magespawn> is your internet connection shared?
[18:40] <Kilos> well i could ping 8.8.8.8 from there but power been off since then
[18:41] <Kilos> aw cant any more
[18:41] <magespawn> try something like www.google.co.za
[18:42] <Kilos> i think i need to give it a command
[18:42] <Kilos> sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[18:43] <Kilos> nope it forgot how
[18:43] <magespawn> i think you can also ifconfig gw 192.168.1.1
[18:43] <Kilos> grrr
[18:44] <magespawn> but check ifconfig man to make sure
[18:44] <Wraz> Why does gravity push down to earth ?
[18:45] <magespawn> hi Wraz it pulls
[18:45] <Kilos> hi Wraz it sucks from down here
[18:45] <Wraz> Hello magespawn, but why does it pull ?
[18:45] <magespawn> you mean why do we have gravity?
[18:45] <Kilos> i think its to do with the spin of the earth
[18:46] <magespawn> and the size of the planet
[18:46] <Wraz> no, like what attact,s its not magnetisim or someother force.
[18:46] <Wraz> It is some kind of wierd attraction
[18:47] <Wraz> but then why am i not attracted to the ceiling or the walls.
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Wraz> I would think it is centrifical force from the spinning earth, but the earth is round, so rthat does not make sense.
[18:47] <Kilos> because gravity is sucking you down too
[18:48] <Wraz> So if I made a Vaccume chamber, and but a big Iron ball with lots of polystyrene bit's maybe they will all stick to the ball
[18:49] <magespawn> if i can recall correctly it pulls towards the center of the mass creating the gravity
[18:49] <Wraz> Like a mass osmosis
[18:49] <Wraz> that is garvity :P
[18:49] <Kilos> if you spin water in a round dish with rice grains in they go to the centre
[18:49] <Wraz> That is interesting... thanks Kilos :)
[18:49] <Wraz> ill try it
[18:50] <Cantide> doesn't it have to do with the mass and density?
[18:50] <Cantide> everything has a gravitational pull
[18:50] <Kilos> now with the earth being round it tries to pull everything to the centre
[18:50] <Cantide> but smaller objects of course have a weaker pull, so it's not noticeable
[18:51] <Kilos> Wraz, http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_gravity_keep_us_on_the_ground
[18:52] <Kilos> nice to see you chatting Wraz  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:53] <Wraz> Ta ;)
[18:53] <magespawn> Kilos is it working?
[18:53] <Kilos> nope the ifconfig command said no such device
[18:54] <Kilos> i think somehow my ip isnt 192.168.1.1 anymore
[18:54] <Kilos>  cat /etc/resolv.conf
[18:54] <magespawn> just do ifconfig
[18:54] <Kilos> gives
[18:55] <Kilos> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[18:55] <Kilos> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[18:55] <Kilos> nameserver 127.0.0.1
[18:56] <charl_> good evening
[18:56] <charl_> Kilos: what are you trying to do? edit your dns servers?
[18:56] <magespawn> is that ifconfig Kilos?
[18:56] <magespawn> hey charl_ 
[18:56] <charl_> hi magespawn :)
[18:56] <Wraz> ipconfig(doze) Ifconfig(nix) if it says no such device maybe you only have LO(loopback device 127.0.0.1) enabled and it does not have drivers for your network card instaleld so you cannot ping out or ifconfig ?
[18:56] <Kilos> no that was that cat command magespawn 
[18:57] <magespawn> try ifconfig
[18:57] <Wraz> "ifconfig"
[18:57] <Wraz> Network Interface configuration.
[18:58] <Kilos> i cant pastebin that output
[18:58] <Kilos> maybe i should install a gui from my ubuntu cd
[18:58] <Wraz> or webmin
[18:58] <Wraz> or SSH
[18:59] <Kilos> im using ssh'
[18:59] <Wraz> why can't you pastebin the output ?
[19:00] <Kilos> route -n shows 192.168.1.1 as the gateway
[19:00] <Kilos> its all in testmode
[19:00] <Kilos> and cant get to the internet via the 3g on this pc
[19:01] <Wraz> can you "ping 192.168.1.1" ?
[19:01] <Kilos> yip
[19:01] <Wraz> sweet, you can see your gateway.
[19:02] <Kilos> and i can ping 192.168.1.2 from here
[19:02] <Wraz> can you traceroute to a internet address ?
[19:02] <Kilos> sec ill try it
[19:03] <Kilos> aw traceroute isnt installed
[19:04] <Wraz> One possible problem could be that it Might just be your DNS is not setup to resolve internet addresses. and if you use like openDNS ip'addresses, you might get net.
[19:04] <magespawn> Kilos just for the record where are you typing those commands?
[19:05] <Wraz> SSH, i understand, to his ubuntu box. from internal network ?
[19:05] <Kilos> the ping ones
[19:05] <Kilos> ?
[19:05] <Wraz> ping ones ?
[19:05] <Kilos> im trying to ping google from the server
[19:06] <Kilos> and tried traceroute from  there too
[19:06] <Wraz> can you ping google's Ip address ?
[19:06] <Kilos> nope
[19:06] <magespawn> so no internet traffic to the server then
[19:07] <Wraz> Try (to configure to) use these two adrresse's for the Server's DNS addresses http://www.opendns.com/opendns-ip-addresses
[19:07] <Wraz> 208.67.222.222 - 208.67.220.220
[19:09] <Kilos> yoohoo
[19:09] <Kilos> can ping 8.8.8.8 again
[19:09] <Kilos> iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW ! -i ppp+ -j ACCEPT
[19:10] <Kilos> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE
[19:10] <Kilos> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[19:10] <superfly> Wraz, magespawn: as I previously diagnosed, Kilos's problem is that he does not have DNS set up properly. both machines need to have 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 set as their DNS servers in resolv.conf
[19:10] <Kilos> those commands need to be run here every boot
[19:11] <magespawn> ah cool superfly
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: why? UFW or Arno's (which ever one you might be using) do that for you already
[19:11] <Kilos> they both purged superfly 
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: why?
[19:12] <Kilos> member i couldnt ping here till i got rid of them
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: because you went chasing after some other problem and thought that it was one of those?
[19:12] <Kilos> ya well i dunno what im doing here most of the time
[19:12] <Kilos> this is all greek to me about
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: you jump too soon
[19:13] <Kilos> but i still dunno how to fix that cat resolve thing
[19:13] <magespawn> superfly any specific reason why those addresses for dns?
[19:13] <superfly> magespawn: Google DNS
[19:13] <magespawn> ahh i did not know that
[19:14] <magespawn> when Kilos said google i thought their main ip/s
[19:14] <Kilos> fly told me ping 8.8.8.8 months ago and said its goolge
[19:14] <Kilos> i forgot the dns bit
[19:14]  * magespawn has a small lit light bulb above his head
[19:15] <Kilos> lol for?
[19:15] <magespawn> why they fly told you those particular ip addresses
[19:16] <Kilos> oh
[19:16] <Kilos> tell me too
[19:16] <magespawn> DNS stands for domain name server
[19:16] <Kilos> sorry Wraz you need to know im kinda slow catching on
[19:16] <Kilos> ya but i can ping 8.8.8.8 but cant update
[19:17] <magespawn> they take the name like www.google.co.za and tell your pc where to go to find it 
[19:17] <Kilos> oh so must i put 8.8.8.8 in somewhere?
[19:18] <magespawn> they resolve www.google.co.za to 165.165.38.27
[19:18] <superfly> Kilos: yes, in your resolv.conf
[19:18] <Kilos> in placve of that other ip superfly ?
[19:18] <Kilos> place too
[19:19] <superfly> Kilos: yes
[19:19] <superfly> in essence
[19:19] <superfly> Kilos: how do you set your IP address?
[19:19] <superfly> Kilos: using NM?
[19:19] <Kilos> yessir
[19:19] <superfly> then use NM to set your DNS servers (name servers)
[19:20] <Kilos> thats how i set this one. the server i made 192.168.1.2 while installing
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: so which machine dials up?
[19:22] <Kilos> this one 192.168.1.1
[19:23] <superfly> Kilos: OK, is this the one that can't update?
[19:23] <Kilos> ok set dns to 8.8.8.8
[19:23] <Kilos> yessir
[19:23] <Kilos> no
[19:23] <superfly> ya, OK
[19:23] <Kilos> this one can
[19:23] <Kilos> 192.168.1.2 cant
[19:23] <superfly> of course, cause its DNS is set when you dial up
[19:24] <superfly> Kilos: when you say "server", do you mean, "it doesn't have a GUI"?
[19:24] <Kilos> yeah
[19:24] <Kilos> all cli
[19:24] <Kilos> whew
[19:24] <superfly> OK
[19:24] <Kilos> but this one is acting as a server isnt it to let that one go to the net
[19:25] <Kilos> in nm must i type in something by search domains as well
[19:25] <Kilos> or just by dns
[19:26] <Kilos> dns servers
[19:28] <superfly> just dns
[19:28] <superfly> Kilos: stop before you confuse yourself with scenarios that don't exist
[19:28] <Kilos> ok
[19:29] <magespawn> superfly i have a question for after this is sorted
[19:31] <superfly> Kilos: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[19:31] <superfly> Kilos: on your server
[19:31] <Kilos> auto lo
[19:31] <Kilos> iface lo inet loopback
[19:31] <Kilos> oh
[19:32] <Kilos> cat command not found
[19:33] <superfly> on your server?
[19:34] <Kilos> eek how do i paste that
[19:34] <smile2013> byee :p
[19:34] <magespawn> cheers smile2013
[19:34] <Kilos> address 192.168.1.2
[19:34] <superfly> Kilos: netmask, gateway, etc?
[19:34] <smile2013> see ya, magespawn :)
[19:34] <smile2013> good night everyone
[19:34] <Kilos> netmask 255.255,255,0
[19:35] <Kilos> gateway 192.168.1.1
[19:35] <Kilos> dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1
[19:36] <Kilos> dns search kilos.org
[19:36] <Kilos> oh my
[19:36] <superfly> Kilos: OK, on that dns-nameservers I want you to replace 192.168.1.1 with "8.8.8.8 8.8.8.4" (without the quotes, but with a space between the 8.8.8.8 and the 8.8.8.4)
[19:37] <Kilos> #dns options are implemented by the resolvconf package if installed
[19:37] <superfly> Kilos: OK, OK, OK, thats enough
[19:38] <Kilos> how do i replace them on the cli 
[19:38] <superfly> Kilos: use nano
[19:38] <superfly> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[19:38] <inetpro> good evening
[19:38] <Kilos> ok
[19:38] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[19:39] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[19:39] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:39] <inetpro> you guys talk lots today!?
[19:39] <inetpro> to much to read all that now
[19:39] <magespawn> busy busy
[19:40] <Kilos> by gateway superfly 
[19:40] <Kilos> sorry
[19:40] <Kilos> didnt read properly
[19:42] <Kilos> dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8  8.8.8.4
[19:43] <Kilos> ctrl o and ctrl x
[19:43] <Kilos> and enter after ctrl o
[19:43] <Kilos> whew inetpro you dont want me to install a gui on the server
[19:46] <Squirm> Kilos: I see you're sorted on the ssh side
[19:46] <Kilos> i think so Squirm 
[19:47] <Kilos> inetpro, you like to see me suffer hey
[19:47] <Squirm> and I'm off to bed. 2 hours and a day in the sun.
[19:47] <Kilos> ty for the help squirm
[19:47] <Squirm> along with the fact I could still believe it's 30deg inside
[19:47] <Kilos> sleep tight laddy
[19:47] <Kilos> tomorrow 33
[19:48] <Kilos> 33°c
[19:48] <Squirm> and back at the dam :)
[19:48] <Kilos> whew
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: with superfly you're in good hands
[19:49] <Kilos> yeah thank heavens
[19:49] <Kilos> but he is busy man he cant help me all the time
[19:50]  * inetpro just came to show a sign of life
[19:50] <Kilos> and did you see we chatted to Wraz 
[19:50] <inetpro> tired and need to go sleep
[19:50] <Kilos> sleep tight old man
[19:50] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[19:50] <magespawn> lol
[19:50] <magespawn> night inetpro
[19:50] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:51] <Kilos> so now must i restart the ssh thing magespawn 
[19:52] <magespawn> ahhh can i plead the 5th on this one?
[19:52] <Kilos> can still ping 8.8.8.8 but no further
[19:52] <Kilos> rofl
[19:52] <Kilos> i told you when you did yours to write it all down
[19:53] <magespawn> mine is all dhcp through my router, so i get my dns from my isp
[19:53] <Wraz> Goie Naand, eg gaan uit te dop.
[19:53] <Kilos> sigh no fair
[19:53] <Wraz> ek*
[19:54] <Kilos> lekker slaap Wraz 
[19:54] <Wraz> haha
[19:54] <Kilos> oh uit te dop
[19:54] <Kilos> you go out so late
[19:55] <Kilos> naand magtie 
[19:55] <magtie> hi Kilos
[19:58] <superfly> Kilos: you need to restart your networking before it will take effect
[19:58] <Kilos> pulling ethernet cable ok?
[19:59] <Kilos> or with ssh restart
[19:59] <superfly> Kilos: no, sudo ifdown eth0 
[19:59] <Kilos> ty
[20:00] <superfly> then sudo ifup eth0 
[20:00] <superfly> Kilos: but you need to do that directly on the box!
[20:01] <Kilos> hmmm the box?
[20:01] <superfly> (and how would logging out of ssh do anything to the networking?)
[20:01] <Kilos> is a bow a pc wihtout a gui
[20:01] <superfly> a box is a computer
[20:02] <Kilos> they both are computers
[20:02] <Kilos> sudo ifdown eth0
[20:04] <Kilos> ok that command doesnt work here but it did on the server box
[20:04] <Kilos> hehe
[20:11] <magespawn> and?
[20:11] <magespawn> we are all waiting in suspense
[20:11] <Kilos> whew
[20:12] <Kilos> still nothing past ping 8.8.8.8
[20:12] <Kilos> ifdown dont work from here
[20:13] <Kilos> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
[20:16] <Kilos> you only need to ssh from this pc magespawn or from both?
[20:16] <Kilos> got some landscape message on rebooting server
[20:17] <magespawn> yes that advertise landscape, you can ignore that 
[20:17] <Kilos> manage this system at https://landscape.canonical.com/
[20:17] <magespawn> that=they\
[20:17] <Kilos> lol i cant even get online
[20:18] <magespawn> you ssh from your pc to the server
[20:18] <magespawn> but if that ifdown message is on this machine the one connected to the internet
[20:19] <Kilos> ifdown dont work here
[20:20] <Kilos> nm shows it as eth0 but it says its not configured
[20:20] <Kilos> sigh
[20:20] <magespawn> then the cable connection is not working i would guess
[20:20] <Kilos> they can ping each other
[20:21] <Kilos> maybe a reboot here will wake it up
[20:21]  * Kilos waits to be bombed
[20:21] <magespawn> okay i am confused
[20:21] <Kilos> why
[20:22] <magespawn> how can they ping if it is not configured?
[20:22] <Kilos> maybe my nm is corrupt
[20:22] <Kilos> servers ifdown works with eth1
[20:22] <Kilos> here neither work
[20:23] <Kilos> you confused. come sit in my pants
[20:23] <magespawn> did ifup again on the server?
[20:24] <Kilos> just looked. a 3g router is R800 on olx
[20:24] <Kilos> yip and it worked
[20:25] <Kilos> im sure at some stage this nm showed as wired connection 1 not eth anything
[20:25] <Kilos> now it shows eth0 but dont work
[20:25] <Kilos> grrr
[20:28] <Kilos> maybe i gotta add some info in routes in nm
[20:29] <Kilos> i gonna reboot bb soon
[20:29] <magespawn> okay Kilos
[20:41] <magespawn> and Kilos?
[20:41] <superfly> Kilos: you have to run ifdown and ifup on the computer whose network card you are restarting
[20:42] <Kilos> nope still cant ping www.google.com
[20:44] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ sudo ifup eth0
[20:44] <Kilos> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[20:44] <Kilos> same with eth1 on this pc
[20:48] <magespawn> sorry Kilos i think i am a little out of my depth here
[20:49] <Kilos> np magespawn thanks for trying and helping too
[20:50] <Wraz> True.
[20:51] <Kilos> here be ifconfig from this pc
[20:51] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21rFUSA1C
[20:51] <Wraz> Wroung window, and i ahvent left yet :D
[20:51] <Wraz> soz :D
[20:51] <Kilos> lol
[20:51] <magespawn> not yet Wraz
[20:51] <Kilos> np
[20:51] <Wraz> No Russians...
[20:51] <Kilos> he is a night owl
[20:52] <Kilos> and im falling asleep here
[20:52] <Wraz> wrougn window again.. :D no, just in a different time zone.
[20:52] <Kilos> where are you Wraz ?
[20:53] <Wraz> London.
[20:53] <magespawn> not too much difference then
[20:54] <Kilos> 2 hours
[20:54] <Wraz> yeah, only +1. but things here open later and stuff, prob to do with the saesons and days with longer days and more sunlight.
[20:54] <Wraz> +2 sometimes
[20:54] <Kilos> how did you get here and where you learned afrikaans
[20:54] <Wraz> We are not on the equator like sunny old SA
[20:54] <Kilos> lol
[20:55] <magespawn> that output looks okay Kilos
[20:55] <Wraz> I got here from Durban Linux User group forums.
[20:55] <Kilos> ah
[20:55] <Kilos> we even thought you were a bot for a while
[20:55] <Kilos> hehe
[20:56] <Wraz> Yeah, i was on freenode for #London-hackspace
[20:57] <Wraz> but they are not really nice people there on that #, like a bunch of troller's, 
[20:57] <Wraz> but this # and ##Programming are nice.
[20:57] <Kilos> hehe
[20:57] <Wraz> you too
[20:57] <Wraz> oops
[20:58] <Kilos> lol youre tired
[20:58] <Wraz> No, ia m about to go get drunk, it is just that Google chat on a multi window multi display is confusing.
[20:59] <magespawn> guys i am off to bed, Kilos let me know how it goes
[21:00] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[21:00] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:00] <magespawn> godd night
[21:00] <Kilos> ive gotta crash too methinks
[21:01] <Wraz> Goie Aand
[21:01] <Kilos> night Wraz 
[21:02] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[21:11] <superfly> since when was RSA on the equator?