[01:08] <steamdewd> hi!
[01:08] <kingrayray> ohai
[01:08] <steamdewd> can someone help me?
[01:08] <steamdewd> im going to install xubuntu 12.10 64bit because my current crunchbang installation doesnt support steam, will Xubuntu 12.10 64bit support steam?
[01:09] <kingrayray> yea just install the 32bit libs, i just installed it myself
[01:09] <kingrayray> and steam is working fine, almost done installing TF2
[01:09] <steamdewd> what are the 32bit libs called?
[01:09] <kingrayray> i think it's ia32-libs , correct me if i'm wrong
[01:09] <steamdewd> ya sounds right
[01:10] <steamdewd> was googling like crazy before to get it working on crunchbang, but since its crunchbang is debain squeeze, it just doesnt work ;(
[01:10] <kingrayray> but yeah i'm 3% away from seeing if TF2 works, pretty exciting
[01:10] <kingrayray> i figured it's best to go with ubuntu since thats what it's being made for a the moment
[01:10] <steamdewd> sounds nice, thanks :D
[01:10] <kingrayray> yeah, good luck
[01:11] <steamdewd> thx
[01:47] <Zeiva> I assume the next reving of thunar will wait until the next xubuntu release? Specifically the 1.6 build that fixes the slow start
[01:48] <Zeiva> Want to know if I should wait for the fix to land in stable or ship away this laptop with the automount config fix
[02:43] <MyCah> Hello -- I've tried to run a couple of games and am getting this error X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation). My googling only brought up solutions to people programming in opengl... Any ideas?
[03:11] <iKernel> Hi guys, having trouble transferring files from my computer to my phone using bluetooth, Xubuntu 12.10 x86_64. Seems to pair with the phone succesfully, however the pass key I see on my phone is different from what comes up in the wizard. When I try to send files to the phone, it connects, then gets stuck on 0.00 B/s/s then says Error occurred while sending file (filename). When trying to browse files on the device, it immediately throws
[03:11] <iKernel> the error "Failed to open "obex://[0C:C6:6A:95:5A:31]/". Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)." I've not tried doing this on Windows, and I don't have a USB cable, even if I did the usb ports in this laptop are broken.
[04:08] <maluco> Hi! Somebody?
[04:13] <maluco> RogueNeuron: Are you fine? Can you help me?
[04:17] <arpfez> привет
[04:18] <arpfez> я впервые установил линукс, кто-нибудь может подскажет какие-нибудь скрипты для настройки системы. У меня asus Eee-pc-1000he
[04:21] <arpfez> hello world
[04:51] <raytray> hello
[05:53] <TheHypnoTaco> would there be a special reason to use the 32 bit version of a 64 bit version if the CPU supports 64 bit, but you only have 2 GBs of RAM? Such as does the 64 bit Ubuntu use more RAM than the 32 bit version like Windows ?
[05:54] <TheHypnoTaco> or Xubuntu
[05:59] <Zeiva> TheHypnoTaco: Theoretically the 64bit version uses a tiny amount more RAM, this is insignificant really. A much bigger concern should be compatibility with apps. Particularly for gaming 32bit still has better support on Linux, tragic but true
[06:00] <TheHypnoTaco> Zeiva: I put steam on a newer machine :p
[06:00] <Zeiva> Saves you harddrive space by not requiring duplicated 32bit libraries and such just to run the game
[06:01] <Zeiva> Well you might save a few MB's of RAM but I wouldnt really bother, I'd rather run 64bit since its the future and whatnot
[06:01] <TheHypnoTaco> Zeiva: OK.  I was just basing it on Windows 7 trails.  Windows 7 64bit loved to use 1.8 GBs for giggles, while 32bit used half or less that
[06:02] <TheHypnoTaco> couldn't game at all on the 64 bit version
[06:03] <Zeiva> Windows these days (particularly 64bit) will use as much RAM as you give it, any good OS will do this and Linux has done since the start
[06:04] <TheHypnoTaco> so anyway, the next question is: LTS or current?  Is there anything special I'd miss in the LTS?
[06:04] <Zeiva> Not really, LTS is a bit more stable of course
[06:05] <TheHypnoTaco> I figure I'll do it since I ran XP for years.. so I don't have to be bothered
[06:05] <Zeiva> The big reason to use current over LTS would be hardware support. Somtimes the newer kernel might have support for hardware that the LTS does not
[06:06] <TheHypnoTaco> I haven't changed that machine's hardware besides adding a 4670 in years lol
[06:06] <Zeiva> Hmmm... ATI 4670 I guess?
[06:06] <TheHypnoTaco> yes, did decent up to GTA4, then I had to get a new machine lol
[06:06] <TheHypnoTaco> Metro 2033 was a joke
[06:07] <Zeiva> Well here is a bit of highly relevant information then: LTS will support the 4670 with AMD's official proprietary drivers
[06:07] <Zeiva> Current will NOT work with the official AMD drivers unless you downgrade xorg and other stuff
[06:08] <TheHypnoTaco> eh.. looks like LTS it is
[06:08] <Zeiva> This is because AMD has moved support for the 4000 series and lower to their Legacy driver branch which is not updated for newer versions of xorg which the current release uses for example
[06:09] <TheHypnoTaco> Will the next LTS have it?
[06:09] <Zeiva> No
[06:09] <Zeiva> No future release will support it unless AMD updates their legacy driver for newer xorgs
[06:10] <TheHypnoTaco> So I'll only get 2D support I guess later?
[06:10] <Zeiva> No you'll have 3D support but not as fast, by far
[06:11] <Zeiva> The open source drivers will of course continue to work and improve, adding more features and improving their 2D and 3D performance but they wont be anywhere near the AMD drivers in either performance or power-savings
[06:12] <TheHypnoTaco> well I could put the nVidia 8300 GS back in I guess just for display, but even for display the 4670 is better.
[06:13] <Zeiva> I would look for some cheap Nvidia of a semi-modern chip yea. Especially if you plan on watching any flash videos online. Adobe have built in hardware acceleration for Nvidias PureVideo engine
[06:14] <Zeiva> Would offload the video playback from the CPU which can make all the difference on an older computer.
[06:16] <TheHypnoTacoBell> I guess I could put the 8300 GS in, but even for display the 4670 is better.
[06:16] <Zeiva> What do you mean display?
[06:16] <TheHypnoTacoBell> ..displaying instead of gaming..
[06:17] <TheHypnoTacoBell> videos.. youtube..
[06:17] <TheHypnoTacoBell> no games
[06:17] <Zeiva> I highly doubt it, especially for youtube
[06:17] <Zeiva> Youtube uses flash and thus will run entierly on the CPU when using the AMD card on Linux
[06:18] <TheHypnoTacoBell> eh
[06:18] <Zeiva> Flash ONLY supports Nvidias GPU for video playback on linux (because Adobe are great like that)
[06:18] <TheHypnoTacoBell> umpa gagnam style
[06:19] <Zeiva> Flash will still work, but it will heavily load down the CPU and playing HD video in flash is a bit of a pipedream unless you got a very powerful CPU to start with
[06:20] <TheHypnoTacoBell> I only got an E2160 on that machine
[06:22] <Zeiva> Well as long as you're on LTS the AMD card will work fine, just not for video playback (of any kind really since its only this year that AMD's video-acceleration on linux has started to take good shape)
[06:32] <TheHypnoTacoBell> even for DVDs?
[06:34] <Zeiva> I'm pretty sure yes. The people over at the XBMC project and the openELEC distro started work on it last year and around summer this year they got it to work pretty darn well on most cards but its still ongoing. I dont know how much of it has filtered into other distros yet but I'm pretty sure the LTS release does not have those improvements
[06:36] <Zeiva> Intels VAAPI video acceleration has good support on Linux BUT it is not supported by adobe flash. Nvidias PureVideo has excellent support in Linux and is the only one that works in adobe flash. Generally nvidia is the recommended GPU for media playback
[06:37] <Zeiva> And AMD's XVBA video acceleration has not had any support at all really (in practice anyhow) until the work I mentioned above started to take shape
[07:11] <SuSu_> i was talking to a friend about windows users and had asked if the program "auto hot keys" that runs scripts would work on linux
[07:11] <SuSu_> because i am trying to alter my window outlines on my webbrowser or better known as WINDOW TILING
[07:12] <SuSu_> or if anyone knows a work around this? or a master of wallpapering?
[07:22] <masterela> whois burn
[07:22] <masterela> quit
[07:23] <masterela> exit
[07:58] <xDoDiesis> Hi all! Good Morning! I have just installed xubuntu 12.10! works terrific in my archeological computer! Does anybody know where to find a sutiable version of Skype for this great OS?
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> !skype | xDoDiesis
[08:02] <xDoDiesis> well_laid_lawn: ubottu: thank you so much!!
[08:03] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[08:03] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[08:07] <xDoDiesis> thanks again. Bye all!
[09:21] <xubuntu_newuser> hi all =)
[09:44] <Varna> where firefox is located in Xubuntu ?
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> Varna: should be in /usr/bin - in a terminal you can do   which firefox   to check for sure
[09:46] <Varna> thank you ;)
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[14:53] <mrfree> hi all
[14:54] <mrfree> I can't install xubuntu 12.10 on my pc... ubiquity hangs just after click on "next" when it asks about third party stuff
[14:55] <mrfree> in the debug log I can read msgs related with hdd partitions but the partitions selection windows doens't appear at all
[14:55] <mrfree> any idea?
[14:58] <TheSheep> mrfree: you could try the alternate cd
[14:58] <TheSheep> mrfree: with the text-mode installer
[14:59] <mrfree> where I can find alternate cd for the 12.10?
[15:01] <mrfree> TheSheep, I read on the xubuntu website the alternate cd isn't available for the 12.10 release
[15:02] <TheSheep> mrfree: oh, I see, I didn't know
[15:27] <mrfree> it probably was a messy partitions conf
[15:27] <mrfree> I removed the old parts and recreate them using gparted now all works as expected
[16:27] <xubuntu158> S
[16:28] <xubuntu158> Does anyone know why xubuntu goes to the login screen when I click Shut Down? I have just installed xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu.
[16:33] <holstein> xubuntu158: maybe you are not clicking shutdown..
[16:34] <holstein> xubuntu158: open a terminal and type "sudo shutdown -h now" and report that it shuts down cleanly
[16:34] <xubuntu158> yes I do click shut down
[16:34] <holstein> xubuntu158: im just implying, the UI and the terminology is different
[16:38] <holstein> xubuntu158: try shutting down from command line and let me or one of the other volunteers know that it shuts down cleanly or not and we can go from there knowing more what to troubleshoot
[16:39] <xubuntu393> yes shutdown -h now does work as expected
[16:40] <holstein> xubuntu393: what shutdown button are you hitting?
[16:44] <xubuntu632> I click my usernam in the top right and select shut down from that ment
[16:44] <xubuntu632> menu
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu632: i usually just map it to the powerbutton... or i just dont shutdown that often
[16:45] <holstein> xubuntu632: on my current machine, i do it from the commandline... i would try adding a shutdown button to the panel.. i would try mapping to the powerbutton
[16:45] <holstein> i would look for and apply all upgrades
[16:48] <xubuntu632> how do I add a shutdown button?
[16:49] <holstein> xubuntu632: typically, when i install a new distro or DE, i add a test panel or create a test user.. there i just add *everything* and see what does what
[16:49] <holstein> xubuntu632: also, a package upgrade could "fix" the issue.. or you are hitting logout by accident
[16:50] <xubuntu632> I did an upgrade before I installed xubuntu-desktop
[16:58] <theenduser> o/
[16:58] <theenduser> any way to fix screen tearing with nvidia?
[16:58] <holstein> theenduser: try other drivers... report it to nvidia.. i think that about all we can do as a community with the closed code
[17:00] <theenduser> holstein, OK. It's weird though, I don't have this problem with other DE's.
[17:01] <holstein> theenduser: you are saying its an XFCE issue? try turning off the compositing.. what DE's have you tried? how have you tested?
[17:02] <theenduser> *compositors
[17:02] <holstein> theenduser: ?
[17:02] <theenduser> holstein, Oh yes, turning off compositing fixes it. But I want compositing. :)
[17:03] <theenduser> mostly GNOME2 and KDE lately
[17:03] <holstein> theenduser: what other DE's work? what compositing are they using? have you tried *all* compositing?
[17:03] <theenduser> holstein, compiz and kwin
[17:03] <holstein> i would try xcompmgr and some of the others.... but i would expect the issue to be with the 3d driver
[17:04] <theenduser> oh I can try compiz too with xfce, right?
[17:04] <holstein> if the closed source 3d driver is having issues with 3d, theres not much we can do about it
[17:04] <theenduser> I don't think it's the driver. I'll do some tests.
[17:05] <holstein> theenduser: use the vesa driver.. enable compositing.. look/test...
[17:05] <theenduser> I'm using the same blob on different OS's and there's no tearing on either of those. I will. ;-)
[17:06] <holstein> theenduser: sure.. what compositor are they using? what kernel? what is working and what is not?
[17:06] <holstein> theenduser: you'll need to try replicating the error on the other systems
[17:06] <holstein> theenduser: could be the kernel version and the driver you are using.. could be *anything*
[17:07] <holstein> theenduser: what would i do? not using compositing... or try to emulate or use the OS/DE that is workig with the hardware
[17:07] <holstein> emulate by getting the same driver and the same kernel version
[17:07] <theenduser> holstein, yeah, tbh I was just looking for a "yes" or "no". I appreciate the effort though. :)
[17:08] <theenduser> could indeed be the kernel, cause I don't think I ever used a 3.5 one before
[17:08] <holstein> theenduser: on the open source side, the answer is typically always yes.. but you are dealing with closed source code there too
[17:09] <theenduser> holstein, as I do so very well understand.
[17:10] <holstein> theenduser: cool.. so you understand the short answer to your question "any way to fix screen tearing" is yes... but its the how that maybe one of the other volunteers can help you more with
[17:11] <theenduser> holstein, fair enough. I'll do some more testing myself first though, maybe I'll fall back to vesa.
[17:12] <holstein> i would just test with vesa.. its an easy way to take the driver out of the equation
[17:12] <theenduser> yeah
[17:22] <theenduser> holstein, guess what? No tearing with compiz. :)
[17:22] <theenduser> Thnx for putting me on the right track. Can't blame nvidia this time heh.
[17:24] <holstein> theenduser: cool... compiz is well supported anyway
[17:25] <theenduser> yeah, I'm a happy camper.
[19:10] <louigi> guys, I installed xcfe after a normal ubuntu install. Now I have a problem - the theme is dark and I want it to be light, but all the themes built-in (and there are lots) are all dark-based! Any options?
[19:11] <holstein> louigi: i would search for and install some themes.. either in the package manager of your choice or trusted online sources
[19:12] <louigi> holstein, will do. But maybe this has got to do smth with a kxstudio theme I rolled in
[19:12] <louigi> holstein, hey, btw, long time no talk
[19:17] <holstein> louigi: when you login. make sure you are choosing the xubuntu session.. not sure what the kxstudio ppa's will break, if anything
[19:17] <louigi> holstein, I installed the usual ubuntu and then installed xcfe - unity is weird
[19:19] <louigi> I chose Greybird, but the color of the windows does not change
[19:19] <louigi> it is still black!
[19:20] <louigi> i can of course try to logout but nothing I do seems to affect the colors
[19:21] <knome> louigi, the window borders are managed by the xfwm themes
[19:21] <louigi> knome, so they are all black? Each one of them?
[19:21] <knome> louigi, under "window manager" in settings manager
[19:22] <louigi> knome, yeah, doing it there, no use
[19:22] <knome> louigi, no, but you need to change the theme in two places
[19:22] <louigi> the borders change - that is, the panels above the windows
[19:22] <knome> louigi, so have you changed the theme in "appearance" then?
[19:22] <louigi> knome, woah! where else?
[19:22] <louigi> probably not
[19:22] <knome> that, and tab "style"
[19:23] <knome> changing that to greybird too should give you the "complete" greybird
[19:23] <louigi> knome, thank you, trying
[19:23] <knome> np
[19:23] <louigi> currently cannot even see what I am typing - font changed )
[19:24] <louigi> knomw did it
[19:24] <louigi> knome, did it
[19:24] <knome> good
[19:24] <knome> enjoy
[19:25] <louigi> everything is still black
[19:25] <knome> oh, right
[19:25] <louigi> like, I open Leafpad
[19:25] <louigi> it is black
[19:25] <louigi> I want it to be white
[19:25] <knome> i'm wondering if kxstudio is adding some theming files you don't actually want
[19:25] <louigi> knome, could be
[19:25] <knome> but i'm don't know where those would be
[19:28] <knome> maybe some gtkrc-files somewhere...
[19:28] <knome> what's the ppa you're using again?
[19:28] <louigi> knome, I am using kxtudio
[19:28] <louigi> talking to its maintainer now
[19:29] <louigi> will try to relogin and get back here to update
[19:42] <rmoore> anyone know how i'd manually adjust my configuration to load at a specific resolution? doing it from within the nvidia-settings GUI just breaks lightdm
[19:44] <well_laid_lawn> rmoore: afaik nvidia will work with xrandr now
[19:45] <well_laid_lawn> you can use xrandr in a terminal to set a resolution
[19:45] <rmoore> what is xrandr?
[19:45] <well_laid_lawn> it sets the resolution - in a terminal do   xrandr -q   to find the available settings
[19:46] <rmoore> and it can save them so i dont need to reset them each time i boot my system?
[19:46] <well_laid_lawn> to have it work at each boot you can edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:47] <rmoore> hw would i go about doing that?
[19:47] <well_laid_lawn> which is what nvidia-settings edits
[19:47] <well_laid_lawn> gksudo leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:47] <rmoore> yeah. but it seems like when i use the GUI for nvidia-settings to save my screen resolution to xorg.conf it kills breaks lightdm
[19:48] <rmoore> because when i reboot it goes straight to terminal and hangs when i sudo service lightdm start
[19:49] <rmoore> ok. this is interesting
[19:49] <rmoore> i did what you said and gksudo leafpad'd into xorg.conf
[19:50] <rmoore> and its a blank file
[19:50] <well_laid_lawn> you probably had the path wrong and are looking at a new file
[19:50] <well_laid_lawn> close that and use the tab key to complete the file name
[19:50] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[19:51] <rmoore> ok there we go. i forgot it was case specific
[19:51] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[19:51] <rmoore> alright. i'm in xorg.conf. where would i set the default screen resolution?
[19:52] <well_laid_lawn> there should be resolution options in the monitor section
[19:53] <rmoore> yup. how do i specify one of those as default?
[19:53] <Jimmy> what is the speed like compared to vanila ubuntu?
[19:55] <well_laid_lawn> rmoore: put the one you want at the start of the list
[20:09] <LNCP> God, I can't remember - what was the name of that Linux package that could print command outputs onto the desktop?
[20:16] <rmoore> thanks well_laid_lawn
[20:16] <rmoore> now to figure out why my computers so damn slow. i've go a 1.7 pentium M, 2 gigs of ram, and I'm running XFCE.The thing still strains to load Firefox
[20:20] <well_laid_lawn> try having a blank page as the home page
[20:50] <wben114> hi folks
[20:52] <wben114> i have next to no clue of xubuntu but wrecked my xprofile towards no more being able to access my dektop
[20:53] <wben114> I would be greatful for any kind of advice on how to manually bypass xprofile on startup...
[20:56] <well_laid_lawn> wben114: what did you do? edited a file or ?
[20:57] <wben114> ye
[20:57] <wben114> i edited xprofile, adding some xrandr commands used for dua monitor setup
[20:57] <wben114> *dual
[20:58] <wben114> i wound up changing the positionning by something like pos 600x(-920)
[20:58] <wben114> the same thing without the brackets would be ignored, their addition made it so i get something like infinite login screens
[20:59] <well_laid_lawn> you can go to a new tty with ctrl+alt+F2 keys - move or delete the file - and get back with ctrl+alt+F7
[20:59] <wben114> what is tty for?
[21:00] <wben114> i mean abbreviating for
[21:00] <well_laid_lawn> I guessed you couldn't start X
[21:00] <wben114> at the moment im on a guest account on the very same desktop
[21:00] <well_laid_lawn> I've no idea what it stands for but it is the console
[21:01] <wben114> k
[21:01] <nyRednek> which keyboard combination allows you to enter arbitrary ascii chars on keyboard?
[21:01] <drc> TTY stands for Text Telephone
[21:01] <well_laid_lawn> use sudo then to move/remove that file
[21:02] <wben114> the xprofile is in home/username
[21:02] <wben114> ... which is encrypted :(
[21:02] <well_laid_lawn> so you'll have to login on a tty then
[21:02] <well_laid_lawn> if that'll unencrypt it
[21:04] <wben114> well
[21:04] <wben114> i will have to relog to check
[21:05] <wben114> but it appears to have worked
[21:05] <wben114> in the case
[21:05] <wben114> thank you SO F*IN much
[21:05] <well_laid_lawn> cheers ;)
[21:05] <wben114> 1 minute
[21:09] <wben114> sir, u made my day
[21:09] <wben114> thank you soo much
[21:10] <wben114> :-* :-* :-*   <-  these are from my wife. she's quite hot actually. thats all i can give. but damn that was hard to find :/
[21:12] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[22:11] <esmth> hai!
[22:11] <esmth> hi jhan
[22:12] <esmth> respond D:
[22:12] <knome> !patience | esmth
[22:13] <esmth> I just wanted to say hi
[22:13] <knome> !offtopic
[22:13] <esmth> ok okey. thanks!
[22:51] <xubuntu844> hey all ;)
[22:53] <xubuntu844> i have a question for you guys ... since am a first time user for xubuntu ... i was wondering if there is a possibility to install backtrack programs in xubuntu
[22:55] <well_laid_lawn> if they are in the repos it'll be easier
[22:55] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[22:57] <xubuntu844> ok .. thx guys, i will check it up
[23:16] <kgb> fellaz, 'xfhelp4 seems to be in the 'xfce4-utils' package.' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1054407 but where is it, actually; is it part of 'xfce4-goodies' ??
[23:18] <kgb> part of the reason that i'm lookin' 4 it: http://postimage.org/image/u16g6t6p7/ (Screenshot tool)
[23:19] <kgb> ~$ sudo apt-cache search xfhelp4 && sudo apt-cache show xfhelp4 gives: 'N: Unable to locate package xfhelp4'
[23:36] <profila> hello