[06:45] <Noskcaj> how would i put lubuntu on a hiapad hi802?
[08:28] <Noskcaj> is anyone online who knows?
[10:22] <kulve> the linux-firmware package for Nexus7 includes bcm4330.hcd. Where does that come from? I'm just wondering if that's redistributable..
[10:23] <asiekierka> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-nexus7/+bug/1075549
[10:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1075549 in linux-nexus7 (Ubuntu Raring) "please include fw_bcmdhd.bin and bcm4330.hcd in linux-firmware for support of the nexus7" [High,In progress]
[10:23] <asiekierka> one google search
[10:24] <kulve> asiekierka: yes and isn't that an open bug?
[10:25] <kulve> I don't see it saying it would be OK to add that binary?
[11:20] <infinity> kulve: You want linux-firmware-nexus7, I suspect.
[12:19] <kulve> infinity: nope. I want to know why linux-firmware-nexus7 includes bcm4330.hcd
[12:19] <infinity> Because it does...?
[12:19] <infinity> Why is a strange question.
[12:20] <kulve> to me it looks like it's against the license of bcm4330.hcd to redistribute it
[12:21] <infinity> Our lawyers disagree on that point.  What's the concern?
[12:22] <kulve> I would like to know from where that binary is originally downloaded and I would like to see the license for it. I'm redistributing the linux-firmware-nexus7 myself too and that's why I want to make sure that it's ok to include bcm4330.hcd
[12:22] <infinity> It's clearly not capital-f Free, and the license is non-transferrable.
[12:23] <kulve> could you please point me to the original license?
[12:23] <infinity> /usr/share/doc/linux-firmware-nexus7/copyright ?
[12:24] <infinity> Same as any other package.
[12:24] <kulve> I would like to see the original license, not the one you have added to it
[12:24] <kulve> because to me it looks like you have made a mistake..
[12:24] <infinity> And that mistake is...?
[12:26] <kulve> the wrong license
[12:26] <infinity> This is the license we were given.  There are other means of obtaining the firmware that may well come with other licenses.
[12:26] <infinity> But this is the license Canonical has.
[12:26] <infinity> Does that clear it up?
[12:26] <kulve> those binaries are available from google/android but bcm4330.hcd has different license than the rest of the bcm blobs
[12:27] <kulve> so you have got the blobs and the license directly from broadcom, google or asus?
[12:27] <infinity> From BCM, if I recall.
[12:28] <infinity> Or, so I was told when I looked into all of this.
[12:28] <kulve> ok. Then it makes more sense
[12:30] <infinity> This is also the exact same license you're asked to accept on the download from https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers#grouper
[12:30] <infinity> I see no extra license for that one specific file, it's all in the BCM bundle under the one license.
[12:31] <kulve> well, I got completely different license when downloading the blobs from developers.google.com
[12:32] <kulve> or, not when downloading, but when extracting
[12:32] <infinity> ...
[12:32] <infinity> I *just* extracted them here.
[12:32] <infinity> Same license as in the package.
[12:37] <kulve> In the source package of "linux-firmware-1.95nexus3" I see LICENCE.broadcom_bcm43xx and at least that's different from the one I had to accept when extracting the package. 65 lines in the ubuntu version and 218 lines in the developers.google.com version
[12:38] <infinity> Err, you're looking at the PPA stuff, aren't you?
[12:39] <kulve> yes
[12:39] <infinity> linux-firmware-nexus7 in the archive in raring is what I'm talking about.
[12:39] <infinity> Ignore the PPA junk, it's all going away.
[12:39] <kulve> somebody could update the nexus7 wiki then..
[12:39] <infinity> Which part?
[12:39] <infinity> The installation bits now install raring by default.
[12:39] <kulve> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Developers
[12:40] <infinity> "Our PPA contains the new or modified packages used for the 12.10 Ubuntu Nexus7 image."
[12:40] <infinity> The key there is "12.10".  As in, the PPA contains bits for the hacked-up quantal image.
[12:41] <infinity> I'll edit anyway.
[12:43] <kulve> well, reading the correct license now. I can't understand why e.g. BCM needs to make so limiting licenses..
[12:44] <infinity> It's not an uncommon license to see for any pseudo-embedded device, really.  We just rarely target them. :/
[12:44] <kulve> "[..]for non-commercial use on an Authorized Android Enabled Device and non-commercial redistribution of the Authorized Android Enabled Device Software[..]"
[12:45] <infinity> It's not drastically different from the NVIDIA licenses, except that it demands the device itself be "authorized", which is silly.
[12:48] <kulve> it seems that you still need to ask from the user that he has read the license before installing the package?
[12:49] <infinity> Not actually true.
[12:50] <kulve> I based that on the comment you(?) had written to the changelog..
[12:51] <infinity> We do display our usage notice in certain circumstances (and in the installer thingee, I think?)
[12:51] <infinity> But none of that's actually necessary, just ass-covering. :P
[12:52] <infinity> Displaying the BCM license to the user, however, would be pointless, as it's non-transferrable, so we can't actually re-license to the end user under that license ANYWAY.
[12:52] <kulve> right..
[12:52] <infinity> We can give them a usage grant, based on the license giving us that right.
[12:52] <infinity> (Which we do implicitly, whether we show them a blurb or not)
[12:56] <kulve> well, I need to figure out how to include that in tu my Mer builds
[12:56] <kulve> thanks for the comments
[13:41] <marvin24_> is it possible to concatenate a zImage/ramdisk/fdt to uboot, so one has a
[13:41] <marvin24_> everything in one image?
[13:42] <marvin24_> seems everyone wants to load kernel from some storage or network ...
[15:00] <marvin24_> mmh, I just concatenated it all with some padding in between
[15:00] <marvin24_> this seems to work
[16:54] <prpplague> just fyi, the deadline for proposal submissions for ELC-2013 is jan 4th! if you have something interesting, get it submitted! http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp
[20:20] <Noskcaj> how would i get ubuntu or lubuntu to run on a hiapad hi802?
[20:35] <infinity> Noskcaj: You'd need a kernel and a bootloader for it.
[20:36] <infinity> Noskcaj: (We don't build or ship one in the archive)
[20:38] <Noskcaj> infinity, that's a shame, the main advertisement was that it would run ubuntu, i was going to run testcases on it
[20:40] <infinity> Noskcaj: It would run Ubuntu userspace just fine.
[20:41] <infinity> Probably even with the Android kernel it ships with.
[20:41] <infinity> Would just take a bit of fun on your end to marry the two.
[20:52] <Noskcaj> infinity, ok, hopefully someone will make a guide or port for it soon, mine should arrive soon
[20:56] <mrspinx> Has anyone lost rom space after reflashing?
[22:00] <llstarks> hi
[22:02] <llstarks> where do i start in porting a qualcomm android device like the galaxy s3 us variant?
[23:20] <kdllabrat> hello, I am new to using the pandaboard. I am setting it up to access a webcam. The pandaboard runs ubuntu 12.04. It was working perfectly until I installed OMAP4. Whenever I restrart or shut down and start the machine in a few minutes, the pandaboard does not boot properly. It shows errors such as "thermal_get_slope:Getting slope is not supported for domain gpu" and so on... Is there a way to fix this?