[01:11] <Ubik> gotta love uverse :P
[18:22] <netritious> hello Vee1
[18:22] <Vee1> Oh, hello!
[18:31] <netritious> Vee1: new to ubuntu or long time user?
[18:31] <Vee1> New.
[18:32] <netritious> ah good! people still install ubuntu :)
[18:34] <cyberanger> hey netritious
[18:34] <netritious> sup cyberanger
[18:35] <netritious> holidays good to you this year cyberanger?
[18:35] <cyberanger> not much man, installed quantal last night, and alsa seems to either be broken, or I gotta do something new to get it going
[18:36] <cyberanger> (side note, I did a cli install, after a few tries added lubuntu packages)
[18:36] <cyberanger> netritious: oh, I had a very merry christmas, but I'm going to have a lousy new years in comparison
[18:37] <netritious> think I'll stick to LTS as usual. packages get stale, but stable, and security updates seem to keep flowing.
[18:37] <netritious> cyberanger: why a lousy new years?
[18:37] <netritious> lemme guess, you spent all your money and gave everything away b/c you thought the world would end 122112? :D
[18:37] <cyberanger> I know night shift on the one holiday where people try to stay up till new years will keep me unusually busy
[18:38] <cyberanger> and due to the traffic at walmart, I'll have the extra task of pretending to be a cart pusher too
[18:38] <netritious> ack...not as fun as it could be for sure
[18:40] <cyberanger> and in comparison, I had christmas eve as a Sal. Army bell ringer, and then I was off until friday night, off last night
[18:40] <cyberanger> now I work tonight until thursday morning
[18:40] <netritious> gotta pay the bills, right?
[18:41] <netritious> cyberanger: I've been reading up on TinyCore...pretty neat.
[18:42] <cyberanger> so that comparison really matters, It was a bad week before christmas, then barely there christmas week (I had an extra day off compared to most) and then two weeks that typically are big retail weeks (that's why our retail calendar has 2012 going into the middle of january)
[18:43] <cyberanger> yeah, but there are better ways to get them paid, and soon I'll be taking them
[18:43] <cyberanger> yeah, tinycore seems to be a great cross between openwrt & gentoo
[18:43] <Vee1> netritious: Sorry, I spaced out! Yeah, people still install ubuntu. I'm still trying to figure things out, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
[18:44] <cyberanger> small & compact, leaving you in total control
[18:44] <cyberanger> hey Vee1
[18:44] <netritious> exactly cyberanger
[18:45] <Vee1> Hello, cyberanger
[18:45] <netritious> np Vee1 :)
[18:45] <netritious> cyberanger: installed tomato a few days ago...shibby version....works well on asus RT-N16
[18:46] <netritious> Vee1: I'm assuming you came from windows?
[18:46] <Vee1> netritious: Yes, I did.
[18:46] <cyberanger> nice, I always liked tomato, seems there's been something lately that keeps me running dd-wrt or openwrt for myself
[18:47] <cyberanger> but I still maintain a router for family with tomato, dead simple web-ui, but still has the higher end features
[18:48] <cyberanger> netritious: finally ran into a mac user that left for linux
[18:48] <netritious> wow...that's rare cyberanger
[18:49] <cyberanger> yeah, between knoppix & his wallet, he realized linux was the better deal
[18:50] <cyberanger> he thought he needed a newer machine, tried knoppix out of curousity (says he used live discs before, for work, but just ubcd & f-secure's rescue disc, stuff like that)
[18:51] <netritious> apple designs some good hardware platforms, but I am no fan of mac osx
[18:51] <netritious> I like mice with more than one button. my current mouse has 6 buttons, and I use them all
[18:51] <cyberanger> that showed him that he didn't need to rush buying a new one, and it didn't need to be a more expensive mac, he just got a new lenovo with more hdd space and asked me what I run
[18:51] <cyberanger> so I guess he'll be trying kubuntu or debian with kde shortly
[18:51] <netritious> nice
[18:51] <cyberanger> lol, I still don't like mice
[18:52] <netritious> I guess it came from factory with winders :/
[18:52] <cyberanger> actually, ordered from the business end, no OS
[18:52] <netritious> oh even better
[18:52]  * netritious still runs windows
[18:53] <netritious> but I run a little of everything
[18:53] <netritious> 'cept mac osx LOL
[18:53] <cyberanger> I threw Windows XP in a VM this week, had something moonlight didn't want to play, so I played it with silverlight & figure that out this week
[18:54] <cyberanger> I've run osx, but I've just gotten so used to having terminals out, the GUI isn't a feature to me
[18:55] <cyberanger> I have wound up running openbox more than I used to (I used to just run off a tty or two, then fire up the gui as needed)
[18:56] <cyberanger> but really it's just for firefox, youtube videos & whatnot, and terminator is nicer than a bare tty
[18:56] <cyberanger> netritious: what do you favor these days, debian, ubuntu, kde, unity?
[18:58] <netritious> anything debian based
[18:59] <netritious> I prefer desktop because for a lot of things it's just faster for me
[18:59] <netritious> but I'm more than comfortable at the command line ;)
[18:59] <cyberanger> netritious: KDE, Gnome 3, XFCE
[18:59] <netritious> eh they are all the same to me to be honest.
[19:00] <cyberanger> tried LXDE yet?
[19:00] <netritious> it's the programs installed that make a difference to me. right now I have gnome3 and unity
[19:00] <netritious> a long time ago
[19:00] <netritious> I've tried them all lol
[19:00] <netritious> KDE seems "klunky" to me.
[19:01] <netritious> can't really put my finger on it, just the best description I have for it.
[19:01] <cyberanger> and yeah, I think that's why I went with Openbox, since it's grabbing & setting up everything, choosing what I want for a taskbar (tint2) wallpaper (nitrogen)
[19:02] <cyberanger> I mean, it's really that simplicity + flexability, everything else feels too much like a kit
[19:02] <netritious> unity is pretty good, but I like traditional menus, not that lens crap, so end up using gnome alot
[19:02] <cyberanger> LXDE has come aways, really feels nice
[19:04] <cyberanger> yeah, unity is why (without really realizing it) I hadn't tried anything newer than maverick till this week (however, I've had customers whose servers were on LTS & will be migrated after the new year)
[19:04] <netritious> I've also been researching voice input....not to much, but a little.
[19:05] <netritious> on winders it's easy.
[19:05] <netritious> and it works pretty dang well I might add.
[19:06] <cyberanger> yeah, festival is nice for tts, but I can't say I've tried any voice recognition on linux
[19:07] <cyberanger> I used dragon naturally speaking in 2003, worked extremely well, some of my classmates wouldn't have gotten as far in class without it
[19:07] <netritious> cyberanger: I upgrade 8.04 -> 10.04 -> 12.04 in less than a day. works fine. (server, not desktop)
[19:08] <cyberanger> same here, except 10.04 -> testing or sid (depending on server) but customers I clone, stick on a VM or a dev VPS, then verify first
[19:08] <cyberanger> uptime matters
[19:08] <netritious> yeah, dragon products are good.
[19:08] <netritious> yeah, uptime is good.
[19:08] <netritious> :)
[19:09] <netritious> speaking of uptime...I HATE COMCAST. But, whatever.
[19:09] <cyberanger> usually it's no big deal, but I stagger it two months to let others find bugs, then move it, nobody requested a faster migration this time, and between IT stuff, wal-mart & bell ringing, I decided early january was better than fighting one more project in bell ringing season
[19:09] <netritious> Four-five hours just this morning. No warning. No notifications. And this is business class? pfft.
[19:10] <netritious> yeah, good to plan ahead.
[19:11] <cyberanger> yeah, and I moved from charter in cleveland to comcast in athens (not a comcast customer yet, but it'll probally happen if I don't move first)
[19:11] <cyberanger> not planning on letting comcast be my only connection though
[19:11] <netritious> it's not my only connection. ;)
[19:12] <netritious> but the other is basic basic basic dsl. waiting on ethernet over copper to come to my neighborhood.
[19:13] <cyberanger> yeah, but your still running stuff from home right? this is a potential consumer customer saying that about them ;-)
[19:14] <netritious> my stuff is for customers, but it's dev. so the context is different, sure. customer's production sites are all on aws now.
[19:14] <netritious> I also have a business account with host gator. good for testing.
[19:16] <cyberanger> whearas, I keep stuff in Linode, I have an arrangement with a Chattanooga & a Nashville data center, gets me a discount for colo, but I've not yet done that
[19:17] <cyberanger> so anything here can stay celluar even, since I can snag a linode VPS or an ec2 to test with too easily
[19:17] <cyberanger> but I do want more bandwidth & a static IP ideally
[19:18] <cyberanger> so I will likely wind up on at least dsl sson
[19:18] <cyberanger> err soon*
[19:19] <netritious> yeah, bandwidth is good.
[19:21] <cyberanger> well, it's actually the static IP I'm really after, I can't run dns off dynamic without a workaround that's messy
[19:21] <cyberanger> but bandwidth will be nice too
[19:35] <netritious> free static for a year with aws?
[19:37] <cyberanger> well, I can't have aws into my home
[19:38] <cyberanger> I've got plenty of static ip's via linode & peer1, it's just not to the apartment
[19:38] <netritious> why do you want to run dns at your home?
[19:38] <netritious> *a dns server
[19:40] <netritious> a dns forwarder I get, and pretty sure you use one being /all up in some networking/ lol
[19:46] <cyberanger> well, between the authoritive server (I can run that on dynamic, but it's messy) and running some opennic t2 servers already
[19:46] <cyberanger> the t1 server is the only thing I'm not currently running, and I want to run that one at home
[19:47] <cyberanger> and that needs to be static ideally
[19:55] <cyberanger> then just the fact that it's a bigger hassle to get than it is to keep, if I'm setting up new service, might as well
[20:19] <cyberanger> netritious: there is some other advantages, but I'm looking at it as that, getting it is the hardest part, cost isn't much of an increase, and it avoids a sloppy workaround for dns nameservers