[06:59] <Kilos> morning all
[10:06] <Cantide> wb Kilos 
[10:06] <Cantide> '<
[10:06] <Kilos> hi Cantide ty
[10:06] <Cantide> CanStudy is AWOL
[10:07] <Cantide> but now i don't know what to do with myself
[10:07] <Cantide> haha
[10:07] <Kilos> lol
[10:08] <Cantide> it's also too hot to do anything -.-
[10:08] <Kilos> yeah is a bit warm today
[10:08] <Cantide> i could a) clean my room b) do some programming c) do nothing
[10:08] <Cantide> right now i am doing c :)
[10:08] <Kilos> hehe
[10:29] <Wraz> Last night i got abit too drunk
[10:29] <Wraz> i woke up
[10:29] <Wraz> i shouldnt of driven hom in that state
[10:29] <Wraz> now i have to get a new tyre
[10:30] <Wraz> I dont remember much.
[10:30] <Kilos> ouch
[10:30] <Wraz> I think it was a good night though.
[10:30] <Wraz> but I really should not drink that much. ;-)
[10:31] <Wraz> I was kind of sad last night though, so i needed cheering up.
[10:31] <Wraz> I think i spent like 120 ounds too
[10:31] <Wraz> meh :)
[16:22] <charl_> good afternoon
[16:22] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[16:22]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:22] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[16:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[16:22] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[16:23] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[16:23] <charl_> lol a beer mug full of coffee
[16:24] <charl_> i tried out my new coffee machine today but i forgot to buy coffee pads yesterday so i just did a "test run" with some clean water
[16:24] <charl_> coffee filters i mean
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <Kilos> did you enjoy it
[16:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:25] <charl_> lol no the clean water i just threw away
[16:26] <charl_> but it's a good idea to wear the machine in because a lot of it is a type of plastic
[16:26] <Kilos> what a waste you shoulda added some sugar and instant coffee
[16:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[16:26] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:26] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:26] <charl_> lol no instant coffee is gross
[16:26] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[16:26] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[16:27] <charl_> i actually have a nice pot though, it's not a glass pot but a thermoflask type pot
[16:27] <charl_> so it keeps the coffee warm for a long time
[16:27] <Kilos> ah 
[16:27] <charl_> i can make a few cups at a time and enjoy it during the morning
[16:28] <Kilos> nice
[16:28] <charl_> up until thus far i've been using senseo which is a coffee pad system
[16:28] <charl_> but i don't like the coffee that comes in the pads
[16:28] <charl_> it's not good coffee
[16:28] <charl_> it's handy though because you can make fresh coffee one cup at a time
[16:29] <Kilos> dont you get nescafee classic and gold there
[16:29] <Kilos> thats lekker instant coffee
[16:29] <charl_> yes we get nescafe but it's gross
[16:29] <charl_> or i don't like it, in any case
[16:29] <Kilos> not the cheap one man
[16:30] <charl_> dunno i've tried a few ones but they all seem to be pretty bad
[16:30] <charl_> there is actually one nescafe product which isn't too bad
[16:30] <charl_> it's called dolce gusto
[16:31] <charl_> you have to buy these little cups and a special machine
[16:31] <Kilos> we get ricoffy which is better than any other brand and then the expensive ones that are just as good as perculated without the hassle
[16:31] <charl_> but they are rather expensive - for about 10 you pay 3 euro
[16:32] <charl_> actually i guess 0.30 cent per cup isn't that bad if you don't drink too much coffee
[16:33] <charl_> thing i don't like about instant coffee is they usually throw sugars and other nonsense in there as well
[16:33] <charl_> so you end up drinking a brew of artificial ingredients
[16:33] <charl_> maltodextrin and what else
[16:33] <Kilos> oh no we get coffee in glass bottles or tins the cheaper brands
[16:34] <Kilos> za still has advantages over you euro peeps
[16:35] <charl_> in south africa i used to buy bags of coffee the same as here but it was quite expensive down there
[16:35] <charl_> i would pay 2x as much for the same amount of coffee than what i do here
[16:35] <charl_> just usual filter coffee i mean
[16:35] <Kilos> good coffee is expensive here
[16:36] <charl_> yeah i wonder why that is, considering africa makes some of the best coffee :)
[16:36] <charl_> when i used to visit kenya i used to drink really good kenyan coffee and it's cheap there
[16:36] <charl_> but if you buy it anywhere else in the world it's some of the most expensive stuff
[16:36] <charl_> the tea is also extremely good in kenya
[16:36] <Kilos> ya up there they grow the stuff, not here
[16:36] <charl_> yeah south africa has wine and hop
[16:37] <charl_> grapes and hop i mean
[16:39] <charl_> ok dinner time for me
[16:39] <charl_> bbl
[16:39] <superfly> if I'm making real coffee, I grind the beans myself. ground coffee from the shops is stale
[16:40] <Kilos> because it just stands there because of the price superfly 
[16:40] <Kilos> only cheap stuff moves
[16:41] <superfly> Kilos: it's stale after an hour
[16:41] <Kilos> eeek
[16:41] <superfly> exactly
[16:41] <Kilos> and you drink it
[16:41] <Kilos> whew
[16:47] <Kilos> i even enjoy ricoffy now and again
[17:02] <Squirm> evening
[17:17] <Kilos> hey Squirm 
[17:20] <superfly> Kilos: I drink ricoffy most of the time, real coffee is very expensive
[17:21] <Kilos> ah ricoffy is nice too
[17:22] <Kilos> another nice one was encore but also got epensive
[17:22] <Kilos> expensive
[17:29] <Kilos> superfly, is there a way to resolve that conflict. i still get that same output
[17:30] <Kilos> will uncommenting that line let one change it
[17:30] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2b8UYA84L
[17:30] <Kilos> hey magespawn i can ssh the server
[17:31] <Kilos> can install etc from here but in cli only. spose thats right
[17:32] <superfly> Kilos: did you restart your networking like I told you to?
[17:32] <Kilos> yessir but from the server
[17:32] <Kilos> dont work from here
[17:32] <Kilos> also rebooted
[17:33] <superfly> I told you, you have to run it on the server - it won't work from ssh
[17:34] <Kilos> yip i did it
[17:34] <superfly> did you save that file like I told you to?
[17:34] <Kilos> but still no internet
[17:34] <Kilos> the nano one?
[17:34] <superfly> Kilos: you have internet, you just don't have DNS 
[17:34] <superfly> yes
[17:35] <Kilos> ctrl o enter yes
[17:35] <superfly> Kilos: did you do it on the right computer?
[17:36] <Kilos> oh my
[17:36] <Squirm> another nice day at the dam :)
[17:40] <Kilos> cant find that command now. superfly  was it sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf ?
[17:41] <superfly> no
[17:41] <Kilos> or another file
[17:42] <Kilos> i know in nm i did the 8.8.8.8 8.8.8.4 in dns
[17:42] <superfly> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces 
[17:43] <Kilos> on this pc hey?
[17:43] <superfly> no on the server
[17:43] <Kilos> ok i go see ty
[17:44] <charl_> ok back
[17:44] <charl_> superfly: that's a good idea generally speaking but i rarely have that much time in the morning ;)
[17:44] <charl_> maybe over a weekend or so
[17:44] <charl_> but during the week i just buy it pre-ground
[17:45] <Kilos> yeah i did it there superfly 
[17:45] <Kilos> dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.8.4
[17:50] <Kilos>  now i did sudo ifdown eth1 and sudo ifup eth1 on the server
[17:58] <superfly> Kilos: did it change anything?
[17:59] <Kilos> i dont know what to look for. superfly 
[17:59] <Kilos> it can still ping 8.8.8.8
[18:00]  * smile2013 pings Kilos
[18:00] <smile2013> :DD
[18:00] <Kilos> smile2013, pong
[18:00] <smile2013> :)
[18:01] <Kilos> but cant ping www.google.com
[18:01] <Kilos> unknown host www.google.com
[18:02] <smile2013> Kilos: your DNS doesn't work :p
[18:02]  * Kilos cries
[18:02] <smile2013> :'(
[18:02] <Kilos> dunno if i must ssh from here first
[18:06] <smile2013> I don't know too
[18:06] <smile2013> :p
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> its a prob that can only be sorted by very clever peeps
[18:07] <Kilos> experienced peeps
[18:10] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[18:10] <charl_> hi smile2013 
[18:10] <charl_> how's it going?
[18:11] <magespawn> Still struggling with the dns
[18:11] <magespawn> Hey charl_  smile2013
[18:12] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[18:12] <smile2013> hi charl_ & magespawn :)
[18:13] <smile2013> charl_: fine :D
[18:13] <smile2013> you? :)
[18:13] <Kilos> yeah magespawn 
[18:13] <charl_> good
[18:13] <charl_> can't complain thanks
[18:13] <smile2013> :DD
[18:13]  * smile2013 neither can
[18:13] <smile2013> :)
[18:13] <charl_> the fireworks are cracking outside but it's very silent compared to last year
[18:13] <Kilos> i can actually install from here if i put the cd in there and cli from here
[18:13] <charl_> we have an incredible south-westerly wind here though
[18:13] <charl_> and it's raining
[18:13] <smile2013> I was able to shrink the installer size from 6,5 to 5,5 megabyte :)
[18:14] <smile2013> Removed some unneeded features :p
[18:14] <charl_> installer of?
[18:15] <smile2013> a custom chatzilla version :D
[18:15] <charl_> interesting
[18:15] <smile2013> specially made for #hugsmile :)
[18:15] <smile2013> autojoins the channel :p
[18:15] <smile2013> and hides some components of chatzilla
[18:15] <smile2013> to simplify its interface for newbies 
[18:15] <smile2013> :)
[18:15] <charl_> sounds cool
[18:16] <magespawn> Brb.
[18:16] <smile2013> charl_: I will be soon releasing 3.0 :)
[18:18] <smile2013> :DD
[18:18] <charl_> nice
[18:18] <charl_> i have been working on something irc related myself for a while just for fun
[18:18] <smile2013> only for windows :'(
[18:18] <smile2013> but should run on wine fine :)
[18:18] <charl_> a bot that gathers information about any given url and sends a message back to the channel
[18:19] <smile2013> cool. :p
[18:19] <charl_> the latest code is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1479505/
[18:19] <charl_> they have something similar in #ubuntu-de
[18:20] <smile2013> like maaz? :p
[18:20] <Kilos> an ibid?
[18:20] <charl_> nah very different
[18:20] <charl_> maaz is more general purpose
[18:21] <Kilos> Maaz, is a cool bot
[18:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <charl_> maaz makes us coffee :)
[18:21] <Maaz> charl_: *blink*
[18:21] <charl_> he's the maid of this channel
[18:21] <charl_> or perhaps the butler :)
[18:21] <charl_> Maaz: you're our butler right?
[18:21] <Maaz> charl_: *blink*
[18:21] <smile2013> charl_: he confirms :p
[18:21] <Kilos> Maaz, is a cool bot
[18:21] <Maaz> Oh I know!
[18:22] <charl_> hehe
[18:22] <smile2013> if this world runs out of lovers, we still have each other, Maaz :)
[18:22] <smile2013> he ignores me :p
[18:22] <smile2013> (..searching.. no pattern found in databases -> blink?)
[18:22] <Kilos> tell him you love him
[18:22] <smile2013> :)
[18:23] <smile2013> Maaz: I still love you
[18:23] <Maaz> smile2013: Excuse me?
[18:23] <Kilos> not still man
[18:23] <smile2013> Maaz: Do you want to marry me? :D
[18:23] <Maaz> smile2013: Excuse me?
[18:23] <smile2013> :(
[18:23] <smile2013> Maaz: I love you
[18:23] <Maaz> smile2013 Don't embarrass youself. You aren't a cyber chick
[18:23] <smile2013> :p
[18:23] <smile2013> do you love Maaz too, Kilos ? :p
[18:24] <Kilos> yeah he has helped me often because i hate googling
[18:25] <smile2013> :)
[18:25]  * smile2013 does !g keyword if he wants to google something
[18:25] <charl_> the temperature of the climate in this channel has just risen with 5 degrees :)
[18:25] <smile2013> My default search engine is duckduckgo :)
[18:25] <smile2013> charl_: cool. How warm is it here now? :)
[18:26] <charl_> if it's a south african channel probably 40 now :)
[18:27] <Kilos> we were 33°c today and its just started storming
[18:28] <Kilos> but not cooled down yet
[18:28] <charl_> :S
[18:28] <charl_> when it gets 30 here i almost feel like dying :)
[18:28] <charl_> i run into the forest, there it's nice and cool
[18:29] <charl_> i used to live right on the edge of the forest, now it's a bit further away
[18:29] <Kilos> there by mage they often have 40°c and up some
[18:29] <smile2013> charl_: too hot ;)
[18:31] <smile2013> :D
[18:32] <charl_> bah
[18:32] <charl_> you wanna kill me :)
[18:32] <charl_> actually i have had that before in botswana
[18:32] <charl_> but the benefit is it is very dry in the desert
[18:34] <smile2013> http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rekonq&diff=34183926&oldid=33978752 :)
[18:40] <charl_> cool
[18:40] <charl_> i need to move back to kde
[18:40] <charl_> i keep getting crashes in gnome3
[18:40] <charl_> i held out for long enough but am getting tired now
[18:40] <charl_> it's a pity because outside of stability issues gnome3 is pretty cool
[18:44] <smile2013> charl_: you use GNOME 3? :o
[18:45] <smile2013> I gave up once I knew about it xD
[18:45] <smile2013> I was on LXDE at that time
[18:45] <smile2013> I just changed to Enlightenment and that's where I'm still today. :)
[18:47] <Squirm> using xfce on my netbook(not bad) and just mint mate on my desktop and work machine
[18:47] <Squirm> well, xubuntu on my netbook
[18:48] <charl_> i've tried lxde and generally speaking it's quite nice
[18:48] <charl_> i didn't like the terminal emulator though
[18:48] <charl_> i think it didn't have enough keyboard shortcuts
[18:48] <charl_> but the benefit of using linux is that you can easily switch out different components if you want
[18:48] <Squirm> it was a little lightweight for me, but I understand it does it's job well
[18:48] <Squirm> sakura isn't a bad emulator
[18:48] <charl_> so for example you could just switch out lxde's terminal emulator with xfce's
[18:49] <charl_> sakura... can't say i've used it
[18:49] <charl_> sounds like a japanese name
[18:51] <smile2013> charl_: I like lxterminal, just because it's so minimal :p
[18:51] <smile2013> I disliked the tab feature, however
[18:52] <smile2013> and I've just hidden it :p
[18:52] <Squirm> to each their own - when it comes to linux
[18:52] <charl_> yeah exactly, the tabs didn't work well for me, but if i remember correctly there were more
[18:53] <charl_> Squirm: yeah that's why i like linux
[18:54] <smile2013> charl_: do you speak Afrikaans good enough? :p
[18:54] <Squirm> s/good/well
[18:54]  * Squirm runs
[18:55] <smile2013> Squirm: :o
[18:55] <Kilos> hehe
[18:55] <smile2013> :)
[18:55] <Squirm> :)
[19:11] <magespawn> back
[19:11] <magespawn> man that took awhile to connect properly
[19:11] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[19:12] <magespawn> Kilos did you get the dns sorted?
[19:12] <Kilos> nope magespawn 
[19:12] <Kilos> still dont work
[19:12] <Kilos> sigh
[19:13] <Kilos> what i dont savvy is why
[19:13] <Kilos> why can it ping 8.8.8.8 but not www.google.com or co.za
[19:13] <Kilos> grrr
[19:14] <magespawn> it can ping an ip but not the address because dns takes the word address and translates it into the ip number for the computer
[19:14] <magespawn> hold on a second
[19:16] <magespawn> try to ping 165.165.38.44
[19:16]  * Kilos holds
[19:18] <magespawn> and?
[19:18] <Kilos> magespawn, i can ping it from here with ssh runing
[19:18] <Kilos> running
[19:18] <Squirm> seems to be a dns thing
[19:19] <Squirm> if you can ping an IP and not a domain name, I blame dns
[19:19] <Kilos> so i see slowP4 in cli not P4 which is this one
[19:19] <magespawn> definately dns like superfly said, but why is the question.
[19:19] <Kilos> ya but the fly got me to set dns servers to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.4 in nm
[19:20] <Kilos> so i dunno
[19:20] <Squirm> Kilos: I know you've been through this, what what was in resolv.conf?
[19:20] <Squirm> s/was/is
[19:20] <Kilos> but i still get that resolv.conf error
[19:20] <superfly> 127.0.0.1
[19:20] <superfly> Squirm: ^^
[19:21] <magespawn> charl_: i just read the logs about your bot program
[19:21] <Kilos> ty superfly i woulda had to run it again to see
[19:21] <magespawn> are going to open source it?
[19:21] <magespawn> but that is a loop back address
[19:22] <superfly> magespawn: yes
[19:22] <superfly> Kilos: what is eth0 if you have eth1 ?
[19:22] <Squirm> superfly: wouldn't "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in resolv.conf work?
[19:23] <Kilos> this nm shows as eth0 but any command with eth0 doesnt work
[19:23] <superfly> Squirm: not if it is overwritten every time a nic changes
[19:23] <superfly> Kilos: forget the computer you're on, it has no problems
[19:23] <superfly> Kilos: don't even compare the two, cause that's where you start getting confused
[19:23] <Kilos> oh isnt it this nm thats doing wrong things
[19:24] <superfly> Kilos: who said it was?
[19:24] <Kilos> it used to show mac address but empty now too
[19:24] <Kilos> well thats where i set ips and so isnt it
[19:25] <Kilos> and the server needs to follow whats setup in this nm
[19:26] <Kilos> so they are linked to the prob, not so?
[19:27] <Squirm> superfly: if the interface is set to dhcp, maybe it writes over the resolv.conf?
[19:27] <superfly> Squirm: it isn't
[19:27] <superfly> it's hard-coded
[19:28] <superfly> Kilos: since when does the server have to know what's in your computer's NM?
[19:28] <Kilos> well it has to be forwarded with nat through 192.168.1.1
[19:28] <Kilos> not so
[19:29] <superfly> Kilos: that has nothing to do with NM
[19:29] <Squirm> superfly: I don't know if you can edit the /etc/resolv.conf, maybe you have to edit something like /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[19:29] <Kilos> oh
[19:29] <Squirm> I seem to remember having to do that on my ltsp clients
[19:30] <superfly> Squirm: apparently if you just set the dns-nameservers value in /etc/network/interfaces under the correct interface, it will set resolv.conf
[19:30] <smile2013> see ya! :D
[19:30] <smile2013> thanks for helping, Kilos :)
[19:30] <Kilos> toods smile2013 
[19:30] <Squirm> bye smile2013 
[19:30] <Kilos> yw
[19:30] <superfly> Kilos: in ssh, cat /etc/network/interfaces and then copy and paste the text from your terminal into pastebin
[19:30] <smile2013> good night, Squirm & Kilos & super
[19:30] <Kilos> ok
[19:30] <smile2013> (superfly)
[19:31] <superfly> night smile2013
[19:31] <smile2013> thanks :)
[19:32] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2EFjMIOp7
[19:33] <charl_> magespawn: it's just a little script but as far as i'm concerned it's public property
[19:33] <charl_> public domain i mean
[19:33] <magespawn> i just thought it might be good to involve others
[19:34] <charl_> magespawn: if somebody wants to, i think it would be a great idea to create a proper project out of it
[19:35] <charl_> magespawn: but i don't just want to create yet another one-man project
[19:35] <magespawn> i see
[19:35] <charl_> magespawn: it could be interesting, i had some ideas of scraping for microformats etc as well
[19:35] <magespawn> what language are you writing in?
[19:35] <charl_> just java at the moment
[19:36] <charl_> i use some libraries like jsoup that are also java so it's the easiest
[19:36] <Kilos> superfly, http://slexy.org/view/s2EFjMIOp7
[19:36] <superfly> Kilos: I saw that, it looks fine
[19:36] <magespawn> i unfortunately do not know that much yet i am just learning python
[19:37] <Squirm> i see it would only work with resolvconf
[19:37] <Squirm> I coded mine into the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[19:37] <Squirm> so when it updates, it updates with the head and the base. so no matter what the other nameservers are, it'll always be there
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe when the server screen goes off everytime i wiggle the mouse then only twig its keyboard only
[19:40] <charl_> nn all
[19:40] <Kilos> night charl_ 
[19:40] <Kilos> grrr
[19:41] <magespawn> as an side question, where would a wireless network connection show u?
[19:41] <magespawn> s/u/up
[19:41] <Squirm> magespawn: /etc/network/interface
[19:42] <Squirm> s
[19:42] <Squirm> hmm
[19:42] <Squirm> though on my netbook it isn't
[19:42] <Squirm> maybe nm takes over completely
[19:43] <Kilos> interfaces
[19:43] <magespawn> http://slexy.org/view/s2TdeEuao6
[19:43] <Squirm> my ethernet port doesn;t show either
[19:43]  * Squirm blames nm
[19:43] <Squirm> magespawn: mine looks the same. see, no ethernet
[19:43] <Kilos> Squirm, its interfaces
[19:43] <Squirm> so I blame nm
[19:44] <Squirm> Kilos: it gets set there if you don't have a network manager
[19:44] <Kilos> oh my
[19:44] <Kilos> never ends
[19:44] <Squirm> which is what you're doing on your server
[19:44] <superfly> Squirm: network manager does not exist on the server, so it has nothing to do with the problem
[19:44] <magespawn> network manager only in the gui?
[19:45] <Squirm> superfly: not saying it does, I know it isn't the issue. just answering magespawn 
[19:45] <superfly> magespawn: on desktop systems network manager controls the interfaces
[19:46] <magespawn> ahh right that is why the difference
[19:47] <Squirm> Kilos: in ssh, please give this a try
[19:47] <Squirm> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" >> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[19:47] <Kilos> ok
[19:48] <Squirm> then restart networking
[19:48] <superfly> Squirm: that won't work
[19:48] <magespawn> this is from my server http://slexy.org/view/s20X8qEzZg
[19:48] <Squirm> superfly: why's that?
[19:48] <superfly> Squirm: he's not root
[19:48] <Kilos> i went root superfly 
[19:49] <superfly> magespawn: your eth1 interface is configured to use DHCP
[19:49] <superfly> Kilos: bad idea
[19:49] <superfly> always sudo
[19:49] <Kilos> those other 3 commands only work from root
[19:49] <magespawn> indeed it is superfly from the adsl router
[19:49] <Kilos> you member those other 3?
[19:49] <magespawn> is also takes the dns from there
[19:50] <Kilos> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE
[19:50] <Kilos> like that sudo dont work
[19:51] <superfly> Kilos: right, the ones you use because you removed the firewall software ... let's leave it at that
[19:51] <Kilos> ouch
[19:52] <Kilos> w00t
[19:52] <Squirm> Kilos: then, sudo nano /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[19:52] <Kilos> can ping www.google.com from ssh
[19:52] <Squirm> and add
[19:52] <Squirm> nameserver 8.8.8.8
[19:52] <Squirm> :P
[19:52] <Kilos> ok
[19:53] <Squirm> if you ran that echo command, it'd do the same thing
[19:53] <Squirm> but wait
[19:53] <Squirm> if you can ping google
[19:53] <Squirm> then you don't need to do anything else
[19:53] <Kilos> i did the echo one
[19:53] <Kilos> lemme try update
[19:54] <Kilos> yay no more something wicked happening
[19:54] <Squirm> the head and base file in the resolvconf dir always get added to the /etc/resolv.conf
[19:55] <Squirm> so it's basically a resolvconf workaround
[19:55] <Squirm> I don't think I like resolvconf
[19:55] <Kilos> this is so lekker runing update from here on other pc
[19:55] <Squirm> ssh ftw
[19:55] <Kilos> now i can make that a mail server too hey?
[19:55] <Squirm> I use ssh and sftp everyday
[19:56] <magespawn> not such a good idea that 
[19:56] <Squirm> I wouldn't suggest running a mailserver on 3G :P
[19:56] <Kilos> oh
[19:56] <Kilos> np
[19:57] <Squirm> cause if your 3G is off, mail won't be delivered
[19:57] <Kilos> oh ya i see
[19:57] <Kilos> not like gmail stores them till evo fetches
[19:57] <Squirm> no
[19:57] <Kilos> ty superfly Squirm i very happy now
[19:58] <Squirm> so if I send you an email and my server can;t contact yours, it'll be undelivered
[19:58] <Squirm> we recently got a dyndns mail backup account
[19:58] <Squirm> stupid power/internet issues we have at work...
[19:59] <Squirm> hosting your own servers can be a bit of a pain
[19:59] <Squirm> (when the environment can be unstable)
[19:59] <Kilos> ah
[20:00] <Kilos> so this whole prob was around the resolvconf thing
[20:00] <Squirm> twice this year, we've had 4/5 days without electricity
[20:00] <Squirm> that means no email is delivered, website is down
[20:00] <Kilos> why do they make it to that other ip
[20:00] <Kilos> eeek
[20:00] <Squirm> Kilos: I think it was resolvconf
[20:01] <Squirm> out of airtime
[20:01] <Kilos> the fly said so days ago
[20:01] <Squirm> and it's the 30th :/
[20:01] <Kilos> aw
[20:01] <Kilos> aw and you gotta wait till the first
[20:02] <Kilos> go swimming all day tomorrow
[20:02] <Kilos> and night
[20:03]  * Squirm just tops up with R12
[20:03] <Kilos> good lad
[20:03] <magespawn> if i do ifconfig -a i get a list of interfaces
[20:03] <magespawn> what is pan0
[20:03] <magespawn> ?
[20:03] <Squirm> well, I know pan stands for personal are network
[20:04] <Squirm> iirc, something like bluetooth
[20:04] <magespawn> ahh yes the bluetooth
[20:04] <magespawn> that is why the other laptop does not have it
[20:06] <Kilos> aw i gotta go turn off the cdrom there now
[20:06] <Kilos> in sources
[20:07] <Squirm> Kilos: put a # in front of the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:07] <Kilos> ok ty Squirm 
[20:07] <Squirm> so don't delete the lines, you might want to use them later
[20:07] <Squirm> I think it's time for a cold shower - then bed
[20:07] <Kilos> ok it actually complained that it was looking at cdrom twice
[20:08] <Kilos> night Squirm sleep tight
[20:08] <magespawn> night Squirm
[20:08] <Squirm> might be back in 10
[20:08] <magespawn> thats cool too
[20:09] <Kilos> i could also use that cdrom to install a gui or any software from ubuntu there too methinks
[20:10]  * Kilos waits for bombs
[20:10] <Squirm> Kilos: if you put an ubuntu desktop cd in, you could
[20:10] <Kilos> very cool idea that
[20:11] <Kilos> but lemme get used to playing with another pc from here first
[20:11] <Squirm> if it's the same release
[20:11] <Kilos> ya i havent gone  12.10 anywhere yet
[20:11] <Squirm> aptoncd is quite nice
[20:11] <Squirm> haven't used it for a few years though
[20:11] <Kilos> dont work anymore
[20:12] <Kilos> worked well on maverick. opened in synaptic
[20:12] <Squirm> :/
[20:12] <Kilos> here it doesnt anymore
[20:12] <Squirm> oh yes, shower
[20:12] <Kilos> you gotta go to each package and use gdebi
[20:12] <Kilos> hehe
[20:12] <magespawn> Kilos if you can ssh into the server machine then you can run it from this machine
[20:13] <magespawn> no need for a gui
[20:13] <Kilos> i have just run sudo apt-get update from here magespawn 
[20:13] <Kilos> very cool
[20:13] <Kilos> can throw away that screen and mouse
[20:13] <Kilos> hehe
[20:14] <Kilos> do you ever need to ssh from there
[20:14] <magespawn> well there are somethings that can only be done on that machine like if ifup and ifdown
[20:15] <Kilos> but i can give it a tiny old screen hey?
[20:15] <Kilos> from my old 486
[20:15] <Kilos> itys only cli
[20:16] <magespawn> indeed
[20:17] <Kilos> then i can start working on ians pc with the server screen
[20:17] <Kilos> yay
[20:18] <Kilos> can you ssh to winsucks pcs too
[20:20] <magespawn> Kilos you there?
[20:20] <Kilos> wb mrs_fly superfly magespawn 
[20:20] <superfly> gee, thanks Freenode
[20:20] <Kilos> simeon, too
[20:20] <magespawn> lol
[20:20] <Kilos> 70 packages to upgrade magespawn 
[20:21] <magespawn> hectic
[20:21] <Kilos> Need to get 259 kB/97,0 MB of archives.
[20:21] <Kilos> i love rsync of archives
[20:22] <Kilos> saves a fortune in airtime
[20:26] <Kilos> Installing new version of config file /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/000resolvconf ...
[20:26] <Kilos> Installing new version of config file /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/000resolvconf ...
[20:27] <Kilos> maybe my probs were because it wasnt updated yet
[20:28] <Kilos> i must be like smile now and send hugs to superfly Squirm and magespawn 
[20:28] <Kilos> thanks so much guys
[20:31] <magespawn> np just chatting and learning
[20:31] <Kilos> ya but to me its worth so much
[20:31] <magespawn> Kilos you want to try something else?
[20:31] <Kilos> yes
[20:31] <Kilos> hehe
[20:32] <Kilos> hope i dont have to bother the fly
[20:32] <magespawn> can you ping gnc.no-ip.biz?
[20:32] <Kilos> from server?
[20:32] <magespawn> from either machine
[20:32] <Kilos> oh ya i forget ssh
[20:33] <superfly> magespawn: I use afraid.org
[20:33] <Kilos> doesnt look like it
[20:33] <magespawn> are they good superfly?
[20:33] <superfly> magespawn: forgot what I used to set it to work automatically (maybe it's part of Arno's, I can't remember)
[20:34] <superfly> magespawn: from what I've heard, yes
[20:34] <superfly> magespawn: and then you use cnames like crazy
[20:34] <magespawn> try from the desktop Kilos
[20:35] <Squirm> so much better
[20:35] <Kilos> 64 bytes from 41-133-67-185.dsl.mweb.co.za (41.133.67.185): icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=156 ms
[20:35] <Kilos> ^C
[20:35] <Kilos> works fro  here
[20:35] <Kilos> from
[20:35] <Kilos> see now we start again. why not from server too
[20:35] <Kilos> grrr
[20:35] <magespawn> what is your email? msdomdonner@gmail.com?
[20:36] <Kilos> yip
[20:36] <magespawn> okay sending you a mail
[20:37] <magespawn> check the email
[20:37] <magespawn> then
[20:38] <magespawn> "ssh kilos@gnc.no-ip.biz"
[20:38] <Kilos> whew
[20:38] <Kilos> sec
[20:40] <magespawn> superfly i got the ddclient to work
[20:41] <Squirm> hah! sun never got a hold of me today, spf40 did the trick :) along with shade
[20:41] <Kilos> magespawn, Permission denied (publickey,password).
[20:41] <magespawn> cool Squirm
[20:41] <Kilos> it ran that keything again and i typed yes
[20:41] <magespawn> should allow you access with the password in the email
[20:41] <Kilos> dont accept password
[20:42] <magespawn> hmmm maybe did something wrong then
[20:42] <Kilos> cool its not just me
[20:42] <Kilos> hehe
[20:42] <Squirm> problem with mobile internet, is I could never ssh into the box behind it
[20:43] <Kilos> explain that nicely Squirm 
[20:44] <Squirm> so...
[20:44] <Kilos> you mean via internet
[20:44] <Squirm> as an example. I probably won't be able to ssh into your pc
[20:44] <Squirm> via the net
[20:44] <superfly> Anyone seen adverts for a movie called "Adventures in Zambezia" ?
[20:44] <Kilos> ah
[20:44] <Kilos> nope
[20:45] <Squirm> superfly: no
[20:45] <Kilos> on idiot boxes superfly ?
[20:45] <superfly> Kilos: in cinema, it came out on Friday
[20:45] <Kilos> oh still new
[20:45] <superfly> ja
[20:45] <superfly> actually old -_-
[20:46]  * superfly has been waiting for more than a year to see it
[20:46] <Kilos> not on tv yet i mean
[20:46] <superfly> Kilos: no, nowhere near TV yet
[20:46] <Kilos> will be on mnet soon i think
[20:46] <Kilos> they get it first
[20:46] <superfly> Kilos: only once Sony has released the rights
[20:46] <magespawn> Squirm you would some how need to forward the port
[20:46] <Kilos> ah
[20:47] <magespawn> not sure how/if possible on a dongle
[20:47] <Kilos> i can give you  lotsa info on that Squirm 
[20:47] <Squirm> magespawn: yep. and you can;t exactly ask your mobile provider to do that for you
[20:47] <superfly> Kilos: it's a movie that some of my friends made
[20:47] <Squirm> magespawn: it's on the providers side. you kind of connect to their router
[20:47] <Kilos> about superfly ?
[20:47] <superfly> Squirm: ssh out or ssh in?
[20:47] <Squirm> superfly: in
[20:47] <superfly> Kilos: a hawk named Kai who goes to live in a bird city called Zambezia
[20:47] <magespawn> might be able to if you had a mobile router
[20:48] <Kilos> lol
[20:48] <superfly> Squirm: which SP?
[20:48] <Squirm> vodacom
[20:48] <superfly> Squirm: you need to register for the Unrestricted APN
[20:48] <Squirm> oh
[20:48] <Squirm> does it cost?
[20:49] <superfly> no, you just need to sign an application form and fax or e-mail it back to them
[20:49] <Squirm> that's quite cool. don't really have need of it anymore. but that's useful info
[20:49] <Kilos> you fone them to do that superfly ?
[20:49] <superfly> more of an indemnity form than an application form...
[20:49] <Kilos> ill ask 8ta tomorrow
[20:51] <Kilos> if i member. its way past my bedtime but was a successful day so im happy
[20:51] <Kilos> magespawn, you fixed it yet?
[20:51] <Kilos> hehe
[20:52] <Squirm> ah, 11 already
[20:52] <magespawn> no yet Kilos
[20:52] <Squirm> forgot to go to bed early
[20:52] <Kilos> oh maybe i gotta get unrestricted first
[20:52] <Squirm> might not sleep tomorrow night
[20:52] <Kilos> lol @ Squirm 
[20:53] <Squirm> night all
[20:54] <Kilos> night Squirm 
[20:54] <Kilos> again
[20:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:59] <Kilos> whew bad end to year we min here
[21:00] <Kilos> too many peeps on holiday
[21:02] <inetpro> Kilos: wat's fout?
[21:02] <Kilos> ek kan server ssh en updtae/upgrade
[21:02] <Kilos> w00t
[21:02] <Kilos> naand boetie
[21:02] <inetpro> pragtig!
[21:02] <Kilos> niks fout nie
[21:03] <inetpro> goeie dag oom
[21:03] <Kilos> was n resolvconf prob
[21:04] <magespawn> try now Kilos
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: maar dit is 23:04 en jy steeds wakker
[21:05] <Kilos> ja man ek is te bly om te slaap
[21:05] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[21:05] <inetpro> good morning magespawn
[21:06] <magespawn> you somewhere else?
[21:06] <inetpro> magespawn: no not really
[21:06] <Kilos> Permission denied, please try again.
[21:06] <Kilos> he just sleeps and works funny hours magespawn 
[21:06] <magespawn> hmm wonder what is not right
[21:06]  * inetpro just woke up in the #ubuntu-za house
[21:07] <magespawn> i see
[21:07] <Kilos> hehe
[21:07] <Kilos> waits till family is asleep then sneaks to pc
[21:07] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[21:07] <Kilos> hehe
[21:08] <Kilos> with sound off
[21:10] <magespawn> Kilos looks like the experiment will have to wait till tomorrow 
[21:11] <magespawn> like most ppl with family
[21:13] <magespawn> i need to restart my ssh server which is a bit hard to do over ssh
[21:14] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[21:14] <Kilos> good idea to sleep some methinks
[21:14] <Kilos> night all of you and ty again
[21:14] <magespawn> night Kilos
[21:18] <magespawn> i am also off, night all
[22:08] <superfly> Ladies and gents, I think it is time for my afternoon nap. Good day to you all.