[14:35] <Patero-ng> who like to play a game of zsnes?
[18:50] <Guest83727> I am having trouble recording with audacity
[19:06] <peepsalot> can someone recommend a good synth program?
[19:07] <holstein> peepsalot: for what? software synthesis? sequencing? sampling?
[19:08] <peepsalot> for playing with generating waveforms, pacthing modules together, etc.
[19:09] <holstein> well, JACK patches whatever you want to patch with whatever else.. hardware or software
[19:09] <holstein> xsynth or whysynth might be more what you are looking for
[19:09] <peepsalot> like this, but in software http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AyxvcOP2-ho#!
[19:10] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/2010/10/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-1/
[19:10] <holstein> ^^ that is from a friend [las] who hangs in #opensourcemusicians
[19:11] <holstein> i would be able to do that with a sequencer and tools linked in JACK
[19:11] <holstein> is there an application you can open that is just that? im not sure
[19:11] <holstein> can you emulate that? sure
[19:12] <holstein> i used to do something like that with rubberduck on windows... its free of charge and i tested it in wine on linux
[19:12] <holstein> you might be looking more for a tracker
[19:15] <peepsalot> i want something that is closest experience to using a hardware synth
[19:15] <holstein> peepsalot: i would then get the hardware synth you want
[19:15] <peepsalot> those are expensive :-P
[19:16] <holstein> peepsalot: also, all the code for the stuff in the repos is open, so if you or anyone you know want to change the look/feel of them, you are welcome and encouraged
[19:16] <holstein> otherwise, open the package manager of your choice and search "sythesiser" and begin trying out software
[19:16] <peepsalot> ok, i was just curious if people in here had a favorite one they would recommend
[19:17] <holstein> or, try some of the resources i linked.. or find my friend [lsd] who will hsare with you
[19:17] <holstein> peepsalot: favorite is a matter of opinion
[19:17] <holstein> seq24 is 'popular'
[19:17] <holstein> also ardour3 is supporting midi, so lots of folkes are trying that
[19:18] <holstein> peepsalot: there is a reason why those units are so expensive.. there are teams of staffed employees making sure the end user experience is well thought out and tailored for a specific workflow
[19:19] <holstein> can you emulate that device? sure.. but it likely wont be with one piece of software, and the workflow will be different
[19:19] <holstein> i would /join #opensourcemusicians and ask my friend who works with software like that on a daily basis
[19:20] <holstein> he will be albe to share with you more facts and relevant opinions
[19:21] <holstein> http://pneuman.bandcamp.com/
[19:22] <peepsalot> hehe, KSP inspired music
[21:14] <wip> hi all! i build a custom case for my ubuntu studio setup: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1455235/puredataBoxTop.png
[21:14] <wip> but right now, i am getting a lots of noises out of my firepod 1010 :(
[21:15] <wip> high pitch noise and when moving windows on the screen i also get some noise....
[21:15] <wip> when using headphone there's no noise at all?!
[21:16] <holstein> i would try ground lifting.. i have a noise reducing power supply
[21:16] <holstein> could have a bad component causing issues
[21:17] <holstein> you can unplug it from the computer, see that it is still making the noises, then you'll no its hardware and you can either deal with it, or take it to an electonics repair place, or talk to presonus
[21:19] <holstein> what would i do? see if it goes "to tape" and just deal with it
[21:19] <wip> "to tape" ?
[21:20] <holstein> wip: i put it in quotes becuase its a hard drive
[21:20] <holstein> wip: if the noise is not recorded, then its not going to tape
[21:20] <holstein> if its just int he monitoring
[21:20] <wip> holstein: ok got it
[21:21] <LumpOfCoal> do any of you know of a gui that will let me permanently mount a network drive?
[21:21] <holstein> well, the desktop is a GUI
[21:22] <holstein> i use gigolo
[21:22] <LumpOfCoal> i figured you would know of something holstein
[21:22] <holstein> sshfs if its ssh.. you can add anything to fstab AFAIK
[21:22] <LumpOfCoal> thanks again, i will give it a try
[21:23] <holstein> sure.. gigolo is not persistent AFAIK
[21:25] <wip> i just discovered where the high pitch noise is coming from and it's not a good news... when setting jack to a very low latency (< 10ms) i get this high pitch... not when using a normal latency (> 20ms)
[21:25] <holstein> wip: if it doesnt go to tape, i wouldnt worry about it
[21:25] <wip> well i want to play live
[21:28] <holstein> wip: whatever you are playing will cover that sound up
[21:28] <holstein> or you can send it to presonus for service
[21:28] <LumpOfCoal> wip, then play it live and record it remotely
[21:28] <LumpOfCoal> if it is not going to tape, it may not go to stream either
[21:29] <holstein> wip: if you think its an ubuntustudio, ffado or driver issue, try AVlinux live with the hardware
[21:29] <wip> will try with the same low latency setting in windows (not sure how, not a big fan of windows...)
[21:30] <wip> but looks like when the firepod is set to a very low latency (< 10ms) i get noise, not when using > 20ms like i said. but still getting noise when moving stuff on the screen no matter the latency
[21:31] <wip> i play mostly silent stuff and i don't record, so i cannot leave it like this
[21:31] <holstein> wip: i have a firepod
[21:31] <holstein> wip: you dont need lowlatency for that
[21:32] <holstein> wip: i dont get noise
[21:33] <wip> holstein: i need low latency (< 10ms) because i play instruments
[21:33] <holstein> wip: you play software synths??
[21:34] <wip> holstein: no, analog (you know the 1/4 plug in the soundcard) :)
[21:34] <holstein> sure.. then the computer will be behind you
[21:34] <holstein> doesnt matter
[21:34] <holstein> the audience with percieve you playing along with it in time
[21:35] <wip> well most of the time i don't play, i don't people to get a headache
[21:35] <wip> *i don't want
[21:37] <zequence> wip: You do any live processing? Play a soft instrument live, or add fx to live audio signals?
[21:39] <zequence> The computer case you posted looks a lot like you're planning to do live fx processing with it
[21:42] <zequence> wip: The high pich noise. Are you getting any xruns, or it's just noise?
[21:43] <wip> zequence: yes processing the analog signal in pure data (but it's not the source of the problem)
[21:43] <wip> no xrun at all
[21:43] <wip> no high pitch when using normal latency
[21:44] <zequence> I do a lot of puredata myself. Weird. Can't think of any reason why latency would affect the audio
[21:45] <zequence> wip: do you get noise only with puredata, or just from having jack running?
[21:45] <wip> not sure if it's because of the custom computer case (soundcard too close from the powersupply)...
[21:45] <wip> zequence: when jack is running at low latency
[21:46] <zequence> But why only in low latencies? One would think the noise would appear at any latency
[21:46] <zequence> If it's leakage
[21:46] <wip> i guess low latency = high dsp / cpu = high pitch?!
[21:47] <holstein> mine makes a noise.. its not very loud though
[21:47] <holstein> its smoething going bad in the unit
[21:48] <zequence> wip: I recommend posting about this on LAU - linux audio user mail list
[21:49] <holstein> sure, but its not a linux issue.. its a power issue
[21:49] <holstein> youd do better searching on presonus avenues of support
[21:49] <wip> zequence: will do, i need to really test the setup (getting out the soundcard putting far away from the computer, windows test...)
[21:49] <holstein> we both know why we have that devices.. its cheap
[21:49] <wip> well i guess i am not the only one having this issue
[21:50] <zequence> I don't know what sort of issue it is, but on there are some people on that list who have awesome understanding about analoge/digital equipment
[21:50] <holstein> i have that sound.. im still not convinced its an issue
[21:50] <zequence> holstein: Does it change when you change latency setting?
[21:50] <holstein> its not very loud yet on my unit, but i have the older one.. they probably made them even cheaper
[21:51] <holstein> zequence: it gets louder, which i assume is pulling more power
[21:51] <wip> holstein: i have also the "old" one
[21:51] <holstein> zequence: i still think its pwer related
[21:51] <holstein> i heard it in windows
[21:52] <wip> holstein: your soundcard is "far" from your computer
[21:52] <holstein> wip: im not following
[21:52] <holstein> wip: its not that loud on my unit
[21:55] <zequence> I don't get why the noise should increase on the audio device because of what happens in the CPU. It's always the same data going in and out from the audio device, no matter which latency setting, or what the CPU is doing. So, this is an enigma to me
[21:55] <holstein> zequence: power consumption
[21:56] <holstein> lower latency uses more power... pushes the hardware harder
[21:56] <wip> wow, check this out, i don't get anymore noise!
[21:56] <holstein> or thats what i always though
[21:56] <holstein> thought*
[21:56] <wip> even at low latency
[21:56] <holstein> it got much better when i paid attention to the power
[21:56] <zequence> wip: What did you do?
[21:57] <holstein> like lifting the ground on other gear, and the moise reducing power block
[21:57] <holstein> noise*
[21:57] <wip> i just took the firewire cable out of the case and try to find a "blind" spot = boom no more noise
[21:57] <wip> if i place the cable somewhere else i get the high pitch noise immediately...
[21:58] <zequence> holstein: Then there should be increased noise from doing anything CPU intensive on the PC, no matter what latency setting
[21:58] <wip> so it's a cable / EMI sheild problem i guess!
[21:58]  * wip is very happy!
[21:59] <holstein> wip: that sounds plausible
[21:59] <wip> and also sorry for the noise... i know this is not the right channel for that, but i knew some people could help me brainstorming on the problem!
[21:59] <holstein> zequence: sure, but its not the machine that is making the noise
[21:59] <holstein> zequence: its the firewire unit
[21:59] <holstein> and i think when you push it harware, it makes more noise
[21:59] <holstein> push it harder*
[21:59] <wip> maybe i will buy a better and shorter firewire cable
[22:00] <zequence> holstein: The firewire unit doesn't use more power at lower latencies
[22:00] <holstein> zequence: ok
[22:00] <zequence> It's just receiving and sending data
[22:00] <zequence> Only the CPU in the PC might use a bit more since it has to work faster
[22:09] <LumpOfCoal> holstein: is there any way to make the changes persistant?
[22:11] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: sure.. in linux and FOSS, the answer is *always* yes (pretty much)
[22:11] <holstein> how you would like to achieve that depends on several things... what kind of share for example
[22:12] <LumpOfCoal> well there are two shares i want to automount on boot
[22:12] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: and they are? ssh? samba? ftp?
[22:12] <LumpOfCoal> one is NTFS, the other is ext4
[22:12] <LumpOfCoal> samba
[22:13] <LumpOfCoal> the end goal it to be able to simply save attachments from thunderbird to the network drives
[22:13] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs http://www.mattvanstone.com/2007/11/automatically-mounting-windows-smb-shares-in-ubuntu-v3/
[22:14] <LumpOfCoal> in that sense maybe i am barking up the wrong tree
[22:14] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: you can save attachments where ever you like
[22:14] <LumpOfCoal> but the network drives don't show up when you hit save as
[22:15] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: i dont use samba or thunderbird personally
[22:16] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: when you hit "save as" you should see an option for going to a custom ocation
[22:16] <holstein> you can mount the shares to where you like
[22:16] <holstein> you can make a shortcut to where you like
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> yeah, i was just looking to try a gui this time
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> i found one i like for samba
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> i have done it in fstab before
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> the second link you shared looks like a good one
[22:18] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: for me, a text editor is a GUI
[22:18] <LumpOfCoal> lol
[22:18] <LumpOfCoal> i am partial to gedit myself
[22:18] <holstein> if you need to edit a text file use gedit.. its a GUI..
[22:19] <LumpOfCoal> yeah, technically gVIM is a gui
[22:20] <holstein> im just saying, to say you want a GUI to mount windows shares is a bit unlealistic maybe
[22:20] <LumpOfCoal> i thought that going in
[22:20] <LumpOfCoal> but just thought i would give it a try
[22:20] <holstein> im not saying you cant, im just saying, if you want to do more advanced things, you might have to get more advanced
[22:20] <LumpOfCoal> agreed
[22:21] <LumpOfCoal> i will hack fstab after dinner
[22:21] <LumpOfCoal> could be interesting depending on how much wine i drink.. jk
[22:24] <Lump|AFK> be back after dinner, thanks again holstein
[22:24] <holstein> Lump|AFK: cheers!
[22:28] <whoo> How do you "Open as administrator" with the ubuntustudio version of nautilus ?
[22:28] <whoo> Its not in the context dialogue
[22:29] <holstein> whoo: i would be *very* cautions in there
[22:29] <holstein> from a terminal.. "gksudo nautilus" without the quotes
[22:29] <holstein> whoo: what are you trying to do?
[22:29] <whoo> I prefer to open s administrator from nautilus
[22:30] <whoo> as*
[22:30] <whoo> If i need to be root to move files
[22:30] <holstein> whoo: you can sudo mv files from the terminal
[22:31] <holstein> whoo: gksudo nautilus is "open as administrator"
[22:31] <whoo> I woeld taher have something available in the nautilus
[22:31] <whoo> rather*
[22:31] <holstein> whoo: that *is* nautilus
[22:32] <holstein> if you want, make a launcher for it, and put it where ever you like, and you can click it fron inside nautilus
[22:32] <whoo> It's quicker to have a right click "Open as Administrator"
[22:32] <whoo> right...like a script
[22:32] <holstein> whoo: i could argue that.. but its not here.. its not like that.. its not windows
[22:32] <holstein> whoo: you should see me looking for sudo on a windows box
[22:32] <holstein> whoo: its all open though, and im sure you can implement *exactly* what you like
[22:32] <whoo> Nautilus typically has right click :Open as Admin"...I dont use windows
[22:33] <whoo> nautilus in the gnome world
[22:33] <holstein> whoo: that wont let you move files as admin
[22:33] <holstein> that opens a root terminal or whatever else that add one did
[22:33] <holstein> addon*
[22:33] <Nephi> sudo sudo nautilus is how i've always done it
[22:33] <holstein> whoo: if you remember where you saw that, look it up and see what add on was there
[22:33] <whoo> yes. It opens a new window as super user
[22:34] <holstein> gksudo nautilus
[22:34] <holstein> whoo: i have not seen that plugin...i have only see the open root terminal one
[22:34] <holstein> whoo: we dont haave that by default, and i think it would be unsafe to have it as so
[22:34] <Nephi> ^^
[22:34] <whoo> I am talking about mate, and gnome 2
[22:35] <whoo> mint.....I think...debian squeeze gnome de has it by default
[22:35] <holstein> whoo: imm taling about nautilus.. gksudo nautlius opens nautilus as root
[22:35] <holstein> whoo: i havent seen it there
[22:36] <holstein> whoo: if you figure out what it is, grab the plug in and im sure it will work with uubuntustduio
[22:36] <whoo> hmm lemme check my laptop
[22:37] <whoo> AV Linux has a script in the context as that distro is deb squeeze lxde with nautilus
[22:39] <whoo> I should just go with the Alt F2 gksudo nautilus and learn to use it
[22:43] <holstein> i like AVlinux.. gksudo nautilus is what i suggested and still suggest as the "easy" way
[22:43] <holstein> whoo: the avlinux "script" will work