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| micahg | knome: what do you think of dropping abiword-plugin-mathview from the seeds? it's 1MB | 11:45 |
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| micahg | well, with the library it pulls in | 11:45 |
| knome | i don't know what that is... :) | 11:51 |
| knome | but sounds like something that is ok to drop imo | 11:51 |
| knome | huhu, we're that much oversized again :) | 11:52 |
| micahg | we're 9MB oversized | 12:03 |
| knome | yup | 12:04 |
| micahg | I'm going to drop french again from i386, that should get it fitting on a CD again | 12:06 |
| knome | mmh | 12:06 |
| micahg | well, if I can squeeze more stuff off the image, we can add it back :) | 12:08 |
| micahg | at least we'll have one image CD size | 12:08 |
| knome | heh, yeah | 12:08 |
| knome | we should get some stuff in soon and get them tested | 12:08 |
| knome | like the new menulibre, catfish and display dialog | 12:08 |
| micahg | mr_pouit has uploaded a few things recently | 12:08 |
| knome | mmhmm, i haven't followed things too close lately | 12:09 |
| micahg | hrm, removing the plugin won't help much as it's recommended by abiword | 12:11 |
| knome | heh | 12:11 |
| knome | i'd really want that stuff worked without recommends. | 12:11 |
| knome | so we could use --no-install-recommends by default | 12:12 |
| knome | that's obviously a design flaw | 12:12 |
| knome | "recommends" should never be needed for something to work | 12:12 |
| micahg | Recommends | 12:12 |
| micahg | This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. | 12:12 |
| micahg | The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. | 12:12 |
| knome | aha. that's a bit weird | 12:13 |
| micahg | if mathview doesn't fit the bill, we can request it be dropped to suggests | 12:13 |
| knome | still, with recommends installed by default, and probably more and more getting there from the other side as well (less relevant stuff constantly included), it's a serious flaw in the system | 12:14 |
| knome | because i believe it's so much easier to get a thing into "recommends" than as a strict dependency | 12:14 |
| micahg | well, no, if the recommends are being pulled in, they should be stuff that would normally be installed with the software in question, otherwise, the field is being used wrong | 12:15 |
| knome | even if in ubuntu, that ultimately means the same thing unless you manually turn off installing recommends | 12:15 |
| micahg | if you find spurious recommends, please let me know | 12:15 |
| knome | i will | 12:16 |
| knome | i've turned off installing recommends myself though | 12:16 |
| micahg | I need to review the package list again to make sure we're not pulling in anything weird | 12:16 |
| micahg | umm...that's not recommended :P | 12:16 |
| knome | "dont' worry, i'm a developer" | 12:17 |
| knome | i know it's not recommended | 12:17 |
| knome | and i'm not whining about bugs before checking if it works with recommends enabled | 12:17 |
| knome | seriously, if everybody just used to install recommends, they should just be in the dependencies then. | 12:20 |
| micahg | no | 12:20 |
| knome | i thought they were separated to allow choice | 12:20 |
| knome | ...ultimately | 12:20 |
| micahg | Depends | 12:20 |
| micahg | The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality. | 12:20 |
| knome | yeah, i understand the theoretical difference... | 12:21 |
| micahg | yes, recommends can be removed on demand, depends can't | 12:21 |
| micahg | but since disk space is so cheap, recommends by default makes sense | 12:21 |
| knome | for most systems yes | 12:21 |
| knome | you are probably talking about non-SSD disk space :P | 12:22 |
| knome | i'm not saying it doesn't make sense with SSD's either | 12:22 |
| micahg | even on a 16GB SSD, a normal Ubuntu system would work | 12:22 |
| knome | but it makes in my 4GB eeepc | 12:22 |
| knome | there used to be some gnome apps in recommends for some packages | 12:23 |
| knome | that was weird | 12:23 |
| knome | i can't remember for which packages, but something probably ages ago pulled in another application | 12:24 |
| micahg | yeah, well, I think we took care of those | 12:24 |
| knome | i hope so :) | 12:25 |
| knome | reading back on my blog, it must've been late 2008 | 12:27 |
| knome | too bad i didn't write down what happened, only the solution to disable recommends by default :P | 12:28 |
| kurapika | Hello happy new year / Bonjour Bonne année | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | Happy new year! | 13:27 |
| kurapika | My best wish for all of you :) and long live for xfce | 13:29 |
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