=== benonsoftware is now known as Benny === Benny is now known as Guest43293 [11:45] knome: what do you think of dropping abiword-plugin-mathview from the seeds? it's 1MB [11:45] well, with the library it pulls in [11:51] i don't know what that is... :) [11:51] but sounds like something that is ok to drop imo [11:52] huhu, we're that much oversized again :) [12:03] we're 9MB oversized [12:04] yup [12:06] I'm going to drop french again from i386, that should get it fitting on a CD again [12:06] mmh [12:08] well, if I can squeeze more stuff off the image, we can add it back :) [12:08] at least we'll have one image CD size [12:08] heh, yeah [12:08] we should get some stuff in soon and get them tested [12:08] like the new menulibre, catfish and display dialog [12:08] mr_pouit has uploaded a few things recently [12:09] mmhmm, i haven't followed things too close lately [12:11] hrm, removing the plugin won't help much as it's recommended by abiword [12:11] heh [12:11] i'd really want that stuff worked without recommends. [12:12] so we could use --no-install-recommends by default [12:12] that's obviously a design flaw [12:12] "recommends" should never be needed for something to work [12:12] Recommends [12:12] This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. [12:12] The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. [12:13] aha. that's a bit weird [12:13] if mathview doesn't fit the bill, we can request it be dropped to suggests [12:14] still, with recommends installed by default, and probably more and more getting there from the other side as well (less relevant stuff constantly included), it's a serious flaw in the system [12:14] because i believe it's so much easier to get a thing into "recommends" than as a strict dependency [12:15] well, no, if the recommends are being pulled in, they should be stuff that would normally be installed with the software in question, otherwise, the field is being used wrong [12:15] even if in ubuntu, that ultimately means the same thing unless you manually turn off installing recommends [12:15] if you find spurious recommends, please let me know [12:16] i will [12:16] i've turned off installing recommends myself though [12:16] I need to review the package list again to make sure we're not pulling in anything weird [12:16] umm...that's not recommended :P [12:17] "dont' worry, i'm a developer" [12:17] i know it's not recommended [12:17] and i'm not whining about bugs before checking if it works with recommends enabled [12:20] seriously, if everybody just used to install recommends, they should just be in the dependencies then. [12:20] no [12:20] i thought they were separated to allow choice [12:20] ...ultimately [12:20] Depends [12:20] The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality. [12:21] yeah, i understand the theoretical difference... [12:21] yes, recommends can be removed on demand, depends can't [12:21] but since disk space is so cheap, recommends by default makes sense [12:21] for most systems yes [12:22] you are probably talking about non-SSD disk space :P [12:22] i'm not saying it doesn't make sense with SSD's either [12:22] even on a 16GB SSD, a normal Ubuntu system would work [12:22] but it makes in my 4GB eeepc [12:23] there used to be some gnome apps in recommends for some packages [12:23] that was weird [12:24] i can't remember for which packages, but something probably ages ago pulled in another application [12:24] yeah, well, I think we took care of those [12:25] i hope so :) [12:27] reading back on my blog, it must've been late 2008 [12:28] too bad i didn't write down what happened, only the solution to disable recommends by default :P [13:25] Hello happy new year / Bonjour Bonne année [13:27] Happy new year! [13:29] My best wish for all of you :) and long live for xfce