[06:48] So what's with touching Ubuntu as of late? [06:56] I guess we'll know in <24 hours. [07:08] I call smartphone OS. [09:18] I call rubbish :P [09:18] you have no idea whats going to hit you :P [09:18] (nor do I for that matter) [11:45] jussi, if it's rubbish, turning the fan off might be wise :P [12:01] I'm expecting a games console. [12:02] That'd be quite cool. [12:04] considering the amount of effort Valve are putting in to getting Steam and some games ported, it wouldn't surprise me. [12:08] Hopefully. [12:24] any idea of what the annoucement will be [12:39] Hi [12:39] Hi bkerensa :) [12:41] Oh wrong nick, sorry [12:41] I imagine he'll begin soon. [12:41] But, I have been awake an ungodly amount of time and my body is starting to give up on me. [12:41] Oh, poor chu [12:42] I did it to myself, so no sympathy. See how long you can stay awake into the new year. It's not easy! [12:53] haha [12:57] I made the mistake of staying awake all night the night before new year [12:58] You do it the night of new year! [13:28] That's why I use Mint, if anybody is interested: http://www.catbuntu.me/2013/01/my-2013-purpose-and-why-do-i-use-linux.html [13:39] hmm. i see some problems in your point of view (which is ok, since its your opinion after all): listen-to-community; canoncical didnt remove gnome2, gnome dropped gnome2; why talking about a new user when you are not a new user? === Catbuntu is now known as Neshemah [14:57] Neshemah: btw you don't have to change distributions just to change your desktop environment :-) [16:05] topyli, I know, but e.g. Cinnamon on Ubuntu looks weird. === bzoltan1 is now known as bzoltan [17:45] The hangout for discussion about the product with Benjamin Kerensa, Bilal Akhtar and me has just started :) [17:47] Aw yeah [17:47] \o/ [17:47] JoseeAntonioR: the omg post needs updating with the url? [17:48] bkerensa-ofc: is the OMG page going to be updated with the embedded hangout? [17:48] Yes [17:49] mhall119: little problem, but working on it [17:49] popey: it's being worked on [17:50] hi [17:50] hi! [17:50] so whats the announcement? [17:50] Hey! [17:50] superdug_: coming soon [17:50] OMG! Ubuntu! is now updated :) [17:51] I guess you'd need to have Unity Touch before you could have any of those [17:52] highvoltage, share the same thought :) [17:52] mhall119: its up now [17:53] mhall119: caching [17:53] bkerensa-ofc: watching :) [17:53] s/utouch/oif/ [17:53] mhall119: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-product-launch-omg-google-hangout [17:53] yeah, no more utouch [17:53] what other suggestions did omg come up with? you've said phone, what else? [17:53] bobble heads [17:53] "almost touch it" ... better be a damned tablet [17:53] Best thing about this count down timer? 00:00:00 is when I can turn my machine off ;) [17:53] Ubuntu fridges! [17:54] toasters! [17:54] These are going to be the longest 7 minutes of my life [17:54] Ubuntu would also be more useful on tablets than on phones [17:54] Touch enabled glasses. [17:54] (even more useful than android in many cases) [17:54] oh,nice davidcalle [17:54] Something awesome! [17:54] ubuntu for eyewear? sounds familiar [17:54] Phones requires vendor inclusion [17:54] cielak, hehe [17:54] poke your eye to open the dash [17:54] Oh just tell them already, it's an ubuntu wig [17:54] davmor2: a merkin? [17:54] To open a file, double blink [17:55] davmor2: it'd fit... [17:55] mhall119: open the dash, and *it* pokes your eye? :) [17:55] maybe it's an Ubuntu Holodeck. I'd sell everything I have for one. [17:55] is there some kind of announcement event? or we just waiting for the site to change from a counter to the ubuntu powered microwave page? [17:55] loving JoseeAntonioR's wall in the background :) [17:55] or is this said event? [17:55] I do hope that it goes 'ping' [17:56] superdug_: waiting for the announcement and watching OMG's live coverage: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-product-launch-omg-google-hangout [17:56] I think it's going to be an Ubuntu cigarette lighter [17:56] I'd love an Ubuntu jelly-bean dispenser, personally [17:56] Is one of you guys playing minecraft? I swear I can hear the sound effect of a door opening and closing! [17:56] Ubuntu coffee machine? [17:56] Didn't Android already dispense jelly bean? [17:56] is omgubuntu somewhere where an announcement is being made? [17:56] cjwatson: when's your birthday? [17:56] An Ubuntu fedora? [17:57] cjwatson : :) [17:57] 3 minutes [17:57] superdug_: no, the announcement will be on ubuntu.com [17:57] \o/ marmite [17:57] Kitties! [17:57] 2:35 minutes and the world will explode [17:57] highvoltage: November ... [17:57] popey: people in Canada don't know what Marmite is :( [17:57] popey: Was my brother in another room, didn't know my mic was that strong [17:57] fools [17:57] Ubuntu blender! [17:57] if it's Ubuntu Marmite, I'm switching to Arch [17:57] :) [17:57] Gnome2buntu, Gnom2buntu [17:57] highvoltage: that's a pity [17:57] haha bilal ☺ [17:57] I want Gnome2buntu [17:57] :P [17:57] life without Marmite would be unbearable.. [17:57] heya superfly [17:58] what's a marmite? [17:58] t-minus 2 minutes and counting [17:58] yo highvoltage :-) [17:58] The Verge has a pic :) [17:58] RobinJ: a beef flavoured spread [17:58] oh oh [17:58] RobinJ, a sandwich spread [17:58] It's coming [17:58] (in essence) [17:58] ew? [17:58] Maybe it's an Ubuntu range of lingerie [17:58] hahaha [17:58] dum dum dum [17:58] sounds typically american *shivers* [17:58] ... [17:58] c'mon c'mon [17:58] marmite is the sludge left over after they make beer [17:58] * Neshemah is proud to be on Mint [17:58] RobinJ: actually, no [17:58] bashrc`, I'd totally buy that for my girlfriend :) [17:58] almost [17:58] OMG ITS A UBUNTU FLESHLIGHT!!! [17:58] RobinJ: it's most certainly NOT american [17:58] marmite - (noun) synonymous with disgusting [17:58] spjt, I always thought it was tick blood.. [17:58] hahahahah irv [17:59] I still think it's Ubuntu Pepsi [17:59] 1 MINUTE [17:59] will there be a press conference? [17:59] Cantide: BWAHAHAHAHA [17:59] irv, fleshlight or flashlight? :p [17:59] it better be nexus7 [17:59] flesh ;] [17:59] It's an Ubuntu fridge with a touchscreen, believe me [17:59] Can I go home yet? [17:59] or touch [17:59] where is the video [17:59] stream [17:59] it'll be a ubuntu toaster [17:59] 40 secs [17:59] with touch support [17:59] The ubuntu toaster already exists [17:59] irv, http://www.ubuntu.com/ [17:59] yay toaster! [17:59] It prints the logo to the toast [17:59] er [17:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1CvVf9K7H00#! [17:59] guys it's really Ubuntu for Itanium [17:59] c'mon c'mon [17:59] 20 [17:59] thx [17:59] oh oh oh oh [17:59] 10 [17:59] I'm crossing my fingers that if it is a smartphone, that the interface isn't ran under unity [17:59] tablet [17:59] oh hell its orgasmic [17:59] pls [17:59] 3 [17:59] less than 10 seconds, apparently [17:59] 2 [17:59] 1 [18:00] !!! [18:00] loading.... [18:00] LOADDDDDDD [18:00] wat loading [18:00] and ... ? [18:00] and.... [18:00] LOADDDDDDDDDDD [18:00] my god lol [18:00] a loading screen [18:00] we're replacing the command line with Unity [18:00] weee [18:00] 00:00:00 [18:00] CRASH [18:00] White screeeeeen [18:00] OMG [18:00] It's? a spinning circle! [18:00] haha [18:00] ITS A CIRCLE [18:00] LOL [18:00] EPIC FAIL [18:00] so close I can almost smell it [18:00] so close you can crash it [18:00] refresh the page, you just get 00:00:00 [18:00] lol [18:00] hahahahahahahahaha [18:00] it's the most beautiful circle ever [18:00] canonical failed lol [18:00] andddd webservers are dead [18:00] hahaha [18:00] hmm... [18:00] lol, lol, lol [18:00] fail [18:00] And... Nothing. They just wanted to put a timer up on their page [18:00] lol [18:00] lol [18:00] PWHAHAHAHA [18:00] website down XD [18:00] epic fail [18:00] toast! [18:01] IT'S [18:01] IT'S A SQUARE [18:01] TELL US THE ANNOUNCEMENT [18:01] It's a toaster. [18:01] or do these guys even know [18:01] jono: surely you know what it is already :) [18:01] Oh no, I selected it hahaha [18:01] check omgubuntu [18:01] It's toasted the website already [18:01] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-phone-os-unveiled-by-canonical [18:01] It's a server that can't handle the load [18:01] it's up for me but just at 00:00:00 [18:01] omg noes [18:01] omgubuntu: 504 Gateway Time-out [18:01] they run server on IIS? :) [18:01] 504 Gateway Time-out [18:01] neven, :D [18:01] lean on any ubuntu site just a little, and they collapse? [18:01] well it says ubuntu phone unveiled [18:01] they should host their site on IIS [18:01] then they wouldn't have these issues [18:01] =p [18:01] lol there's a live show on Youtube [18:02] OMG!'s got it. It's a phone [18:02] We already knew about the OS, I just want to know if there's any hardware for it. [18:02] I can't ping 'em [18:02] ubuntu-phone [18:02] holy crap [18:02] loading... [18:02] how'd you get it to load? [18:02] loading... [18:02] OMGUBUNTU ALSO CRASHED [18:02] 503 [18:02] *503 [18:02] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-phone-os-unveiled-by-canonical [18:02] **504 [18:02] omgubuntu is dead too [18:02] so now they can spend forever working on shit for a phone instead of optimizing the proper OS. really nice. [18:02] heh. [18:02] where's the thing on youtube? [18:02] I'd like to see what does the Canonical guy say [18:03] isnt that what MS is doing? working ass backwards? [18:03] hey tell rickspencer3 to join the channel :) [18:03] just a reminder folks, this channel is like other Ubuntu channels language-wise, please watch it :) [18:03] http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement [18:03] It's a competition to the bottom of the multi-device pile, and Canonical is late! [18:03] bass akwards [18:03] how do they have it already? [18:03] epic fail, canonical :p [18:03] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU [18:03] Who's that indian kid? [18:03] is the surprise that the site is down [18:04] Neshemah: bilal [18:04] I [18:04] No retard, that was expected [18:04] m still stuck at the timer! [18:04] Who's him popey? [18:04] I'm* [18:04] He manages the server? [18:04] page working yet? [18:04] nope [18:04] It's on The Verge too. [18:05] so ubuntu leaked it? [18:05] someone really borked that timer up, they must have written an rm -rf / when the timer reached zero [18:05] Who's that Canonical guy with glasses and bald? [18:05] Neshemah: jono [18:05] oh a phone [18:05] superdug_: well that will be a press release with an embargo time [18:05] ubuntu for smartphones [18:05] cdavis: Everyone who had the timer open tried to load it at once. [18:05] engadget goes hands on [18:05] does ubuntu for nexus 7 actually work [18:05] I woke up before 21:00 to see this crap. Bad advertising juju Canonical. [18:05] http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement [18:05] there [18:05] Who's jono? [18:06] Neshemah: community manager [18:06] jono: know any specs on the phone yet? [18:06] Neshemah: the fact that you just randomly asked that suggested you may already know [18:06] http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/ [18:06] lol, I'm banned from the verge. [18:06] Actually, before 13:00 sorry. [18:06] lol? [18:06] jono, http://socloseyoucanalmostbobbleit.com/ [18:06] I get time confused sometimes. [18:06] so why does ubuntu think their foray into the phone world will be better than mer, webos, mozilla, etc ? [18:07] There we go, Ubuntuphone. I said it before. When I was fanatical, I said it WOULD happen. [18:07] ikonia, I read an interview on LinuxFormat magazine. [18:07] I'm sure it says who he is [18:07] Well, I just read the title :P [18:07] So, wait, does this entirely replace the existing phone OS (meaning that none of your Android apps will work), or does it just let you connect to a KVM and run a full Ubuntu desktop? [18:07] We all knew this was going to happen. [18:07] QUESTION: How about apps compatibility? Does this new OS will mean we'll need to wait till developers do some apps on it, or will it be compatible with e.g. android apps or ubuntu ones? [18:07] same reason they think unity is the best thing ever, distortion field [18:07] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4 [18:07] omgubuntu is up [18:07] I got ubuntu.com to load, it just shows the same screen with no timer :) [18:07] i bet webup8 wont even report on this lol [18:07] someone made a fanpage for jono lol [18:07] Unity is pretty damn good for what it is. Hence I don't use it. [18:08] tiox, lol [18:08] mhall119: was this a (or the) skunkworks project? [18:08] front page linking to http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone now [18:08] well, the dev portal says something about ubuntu phone [18:08] http://developer.ubuntu.com/ [18:09] OMG I will wit until the influx of idiots and dumb media grab their press media, the page is too slow for me. [18:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4 trailer video... [18:09] wait* [18:09] http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement [18:09] highvoltage: there was some, but unfortunately we didn't kick of Skunkworks in time for there to be a lot of involvement [18:10] cjwatson: cheers [18:10] There will be an SDK, apps will be able to be programmed both using HTML5 and QDK [18:10] Sorry, QML [18:10] same as windows 8 rt apps , html5 base [18:10] Yay, moar slow webapp shit! [18:11] !langauge [18:11] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [18:11] tone down the langauge please [18:11] HTML5? ok i'm in. i'm afraid it'd be too good to be true, but it sounds like a way to get away from the mess that is programming for android or iOS [18:12] when is the next live hangout ? [18:12] I just hope that there will be a proper web render. Speed, feature set, rendering, and the JS engine are all important to get right. [18:12] NIIIICE!! [18:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU the announcement [18:12] hi FabianS [18:12] So basically, if I hack my Android phone a little bit to give it the Ubuntu font and some fancy Ubuntu-ish graphics I can say I am using Ubuntu Mobile? [18:13] QUESTION: how's accessibility? can we run it on our existing android devices, or do we need to purchase a device with it preinstalled? [18:13] I sure hope it gets better than that -- MATE did start off as a direct rip of GNOME 2.x after all... [18:13] Don't be silly tiox. [18:13] Ubuntu-Phones!! [18:13] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-phone-os-unveiled-by-canonical is working now [18:14] *yawn* [18:14] Sorry, that's not that exciting [18:14] MATE FTW [18:14] And Cinnamon, too :D [18:14] Any questions or Rick Spencer or Jono Bacon? [18:14] I'd like to go back to bed, but it's too late for that. [18:14] ...no shipping date etc, why didn't they just wait for CES [18:14] what a stupid announcement [18:14] what a stupid Thundarr [18:15] i'm assuming this is where we are supposed to discuss the ubuntu.com DoS :D [18:15] Yes, why did they remove gnome 2 and why don't they react to Mint's win [18:15] What stupid hype! Canonical failed to excite me. Rubs my jollies the wrong way. [18:15] Does anyone know if test 'ROM's' will be made available for current devices, and if so when ? [18:15] well I guess they just want to build some excitement around it. it's admittingly a bit boring considering that the intentions for an ubuntu phone and the official youtube video has been available for a while. [18:15] Neshemah: suddenly: xfce [18:15] Calinou: you might disagree, but this is not how you market product. "we might ship this year, even though we don't have a vendor" [18:15] why doesn't this calm down all hate? :D [18:15] so it did end up being somewhat of an unannouncement. [18:15] It's not hate Calinou. [18:15] Thundarr: since when ubuntu is being marketed by vendors [18:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU [18:16] Calinou: People hate change in itself. [18:16] I like XFCE too. [18:16] FabianS: of course they always did :) i don't personally [18:16] I try to be constructive... [18:16] That is what happens if you use Apache+Squid for high visit volume website instead of nginx+Varnish. So Canonical, next time try nginx. [18:16] it has to be marketed by whichever vendor they partner with. [18:16] Without Ubuntu Mint wouldn't exist, at all. [18:16] I don't either. Gnome3 is much much better than Gnome 2 ever was. [18:16] if I don't like unity (lacks productivity/customability), then I move on and use xfce, which is _better_ than gnome 2 imo [18:16] But Canonical reacts bad, soooooooo bad. [18:16] less obsolete [18:16] Gnome 2 was an unholy mess of bad design and technology. [18:16] Yes Calinou, that's right. [18:16] I preffer Cinnamon, too. [18:16] KurtKraut: set it up for them then, mr. harshlinux :> [18:16] But the newbies don't know about Xubuntu nor xubuntu-desktop. [18:16] 10.10 best [18:17] They think Ubuntu is *only* Unity. [18:17] RollinV2 +1 [18:17] Gnome 3 is at least consistantly styled and has introduced some new approach. [18:17] Neshemah: newbies get what newbies deserve, non-newbies do not [18:17] So they say "what the heck is that" and go to Mint. [18:17] funny thing is 10.10 wasnt even a LTS [18:17] and everyone still loved it [18:17] QUESTION: Are we going to have to purchase a €600 phone with it preinstalled, or can we just pick up a second hand Android phone for €50 somewhere and flash it to Ubuntu Phone? [18:17] the derivatives need more promotion, +1 [18:17] But people seem to not understand UIs that don't work like Windows 1.0 [18:17] they should have gone with scaleengine.com [18:17] BETTER QUESTION: are you even going to buy a smartphone/tablet? [18:17] Calinou, sure! And they don't need to provide me root access. It is just a matter of 'aptitude install nginx varnish -y' :P [18:17] Calinou, look at this: http://www.catbuntu.me/2013/01/my-2013-purpose-and-why-do-i-use-linux.html [18:17] I can't use mint. I might have some jewish blood, and clem wants me to burn in an oven. [18:18] * Calinou answers: "no, desktops are faster and have better performance-to-price ratio!" [18:18] Okay, here's the rational for someone looking between GNOME 2.x and GNOME-Shell/Unity/Cinnamon: "It looks like Windows..." [18:18] they are so ridiculously expensive [18:18] I tried to explain this not being a hater. [18:18] uhm... will they lack python support :(? [18:18] everybody has python support [18:18] KurtKraut: nginx lacks modules so it is harder to install things like SSL, no? [18:18] XFCE is lovely, it's a GNOME 2 replacement, I agree. I used it and liked for a long time, but I preffer Cinnamon or perhaps MATE. [18:18] sikory: everybody has an i7 [18:18] RobinJ: You can't really put third-party operating systems on mobile phones. [18:18] Henceforth, it looks like Windows, people like GNOME 2.x. [18:18] python, lol [18:18] purple is color of the year [18:18] jqmmes_, well, it's open source, so it just depends on whether someone occupies himself with porting python [18:18] RobinJ: All SoCs feature lots and lots of propietary drivers. [18:18] FabianS: if the bootloader is unlockable you can [18:18]