=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:42] wtf another piece of sewing software with ridiculous copy protection [01:42] old ladies are clearly the worst software pirates [01:49] or they don't know about computers to realise there is another way [01:50] ali1234: how do you get so much exposure to such gear XD [07:42] Morning and happy new year :-) [08:03] morning and happy new year TheOpenSourcerer and all o/ [08:18] AlanBell: Morning - son't forget Paul's laptop or he will have nothing to do :-) [08:18] He is here. [08:21] yup, on my way now [08:31] Happy new year all, and Good morning === toaster___ is now known as toaster__ === toaster__ is now known as toaster_ [08:59] morning [09:02] <9 hours now :) [09:06] ☺ [09:06] aloha [09:07] I hope this release actually gives us access to something rather than "Look at our cool product, it'll be out at the end of the year" [09:07] But either way, intrigued by the hole big release thing [09:07] How're you all? [09:13] I can't imagine it will be an orderable product today [09:13] AlanBell: I was hoping for a downloadable product heh :) [09:14] that wouldn't be very touchable :) [09:14] Hehe true [09:14] With the direction of Ubuntu moving to TVs and mobile devices I can already sense my wallet thinning out! [09:20] * xnox has a highlight in this channel but it's beyond scrollback horizon [09:21] xnox: in your away log [09:25] meh, nothing important. (keyword highlight, not nick) [09:32] Happy New Year, folks! :-D [09:34] hippy new beer [09:34] mmm... beer [09:37] Interesting, just noticed that the Ubuntu 64-bit server image is "Recommended" on the Ubuntu site whereas the desktop recommends 32-Bit. Why? Is that just because servers are generally 64-bit and desktops in the past were commonly 32-bit? [09:41] I'd look more at the reasons why we recommend 32-bit on desktops than why we recommend 64-bit on servers [09:42] perhaps used to be flash-related (was no 64bit fglash for a while) [09:42] popey: Why 32-bit on desktops? :) [09:42] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035088.html [09:42] Thanks :) [09:43] Makes sense I guess [09:58] https://www.dropbox.com/s/rm6hn2z3gfzp4lr/2013-01-02%2009.50.32.jpg now I'm going to have to put all this together *daunting task* XD [09:59] Azelphur_: that looks like Ikea Galant desks [10:00] yep, many ikea galant desks === Azelphur_ is now known as Azelphur [10:26] good morning everyone, [10:32] * xnox stares at the just delivered nexus 4 [10:32] Laney: ^ [10:59] Morning all [11:02] morning davmor2 [11:04] o/ [11:05] o/ === mh0 is now known as derpyhooves === derpyhooves is now known as mh0 [11:20] Isn't there supposed to be some sort of announcement today? [11:20] bashrc: yes [11:20] bashrc: you can see the countdown on ubuntu.com [11:21] I predict that the announcement will be that Canonical is getting out of the desktop Linux business and getting into the concrete mixing business [11:22] 6pm [11:22] ☺ [11:24] but if that prediction fails my fallback hypothesis is just a commercial release of the android/ubuntu phone thing which was demoed last year [11:26] I'd love to be able to use my s3 [11:27] I havn't really looked into it but I think it is already possible to install ubuntu on an Android tablet [11:27] nexus7, yes. [11:30] Unless you can plug in an external monitor/mouse/keyboard it's probably not going to be very viable on a tablet [11:30] because regular linux applications aren't designed for touch screens [11:40] indeed [11:47] I've been playing with the idea of getting a nexus 7, but like the tablet I had before, and eventally sold, I just can't find where it would fit in to my digital life [11:49] I got an ultra cheap unbranded android tablet last year. It's pretty awesome and has lots of bells and whistles, but it doesn't replace the sorts of things that I do on a desktop/laptop [11:51] things i have found my nexus 7 useful for: light internet usage in bed, taking to classes to save printing things off [11:51] for casual browsing, reading the news and reading books tablets are very good [11:51] the killer feature is the multi-touch text scaling [12:14] I can't stand reading books on my nexus [12:15] daubers: using the kindle app or the google play books app [12:23] Is anyone aware of a way of having a mysql or similar Nagios config? I'm after a way of *reliably* automating messing around with my nagios config automatically :) [12:26] gosh, USB3 flash drives are cheap [12:26] http://www.ebuyer.com/386264-extra-value-64gb-usb-3-0-flash-drive-ev-usb64gb-3-0 [12:28] popey: god bless windows 8 it did something right :D [12:30] it did? [12:30] I've not seen it yet [12:30] I thought that windows 8 was supposed to be an abomination [12:31] popey: you no longer get a cd/dvd you have to purchase a large 32min/64 recommended gb usb3 pen drive to create a backup medium [12:31] * popey shrugs [12:31] oh [12:31] i see ☺ [12:33] BigRedS: check_mk [12:33] popey: the rest of it is god awful and I know I had to get a copy to test the U1 windows client on it oh it's ugly [12:34] CDs and DVDs seem to be on the way out. If there are still any boxed products in future they might either be on a USB drive or merely just be a voucher number which you then use to download. [12:41] xnox: Ah, no, I'm looking to replace the config files, not the checks themselves [12:42] xnox: ahh, rereading, that might do it [12:42] ta! [12:44] BigRedS: it's like you specify hostname -> and that checks it's IP address, queries the client for tonne of stuff it knows how to check for & generates a massive nagios config. I literarly made my nagios configs 10x smaller with ~14x more checks. [12:50] davmor2: Both, I just can't stand the screen on the nexus for reading. Hurts my eyes. Much prefer the kindle === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:52] daubers: quick trick for the kindle app, inverse the colours much easier to read then [12:53] davmor2: It's the brightness that hurts :) I tried it with inverted colours, still felt worse on my eyes. [12:53] daubers: fair enough [12:53] Ubuntu on Nexus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9W7E5S5YhE [12:53] xnox: yeah, I'm wondering if that's the proper solution to the problem I was trying to solve with a load of scripts and a db-backed nagios [12:56] BigRedS: simple things are trivial, medium things are easy, and hard stuff is possible with check_mk (the configs are python). "fancy special custom checks" can be simple tiny shell scripts =). Plus there is full support to call nagios plugins as well. [13:00] yeah, the checks are all simple. The problem is a nagios 1.x install with lots of KB of config file [13:00] and I'm thinking that rather than transcribe these all into nagios 3 style, it would make sense to move them into something portable and generate nagios3 config from that [13:01] and then use that system so when nagios4 comes out I can just output in that format and it's all good [13:18] hey popey do you have a raring box around? [13:22] i do [13:30] BigRedS: I doubt config-incompatible nagios will come any time soon, with multiple engines now supporting the said format: e.g. icinga, shinken and others. [13:35] Damm, why have I just tried to use the btv remote to change the volume of a programme I'm watching on my laptop...Doh! [13:36] I've moved the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen to try and press keys on the keyboard before... [13:38] xnox: yeah, I'm hoping not, but at our glacial upgrade speed it's hard to tell what we'll be doing next time this is needed === A5c11Char5et is now known as A5c11-away [13:46] bug 700154 [13:46] bug 700154 in OpenERP Addons 5.0 "Selling a product with phantom BOM ignores chained locations and procurement gets stuck" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700154 [13:48] morning TheOpenSourcerer [13:48] afternoon popey [13:48] Happy New Year [13:48] HNY to you too! [13:48] TheOpenSourcerer: Happy new year dude [13:49] here is a communal HNY to everyone so I don't have to keep saying it. [13:49] * TheOpenSourcerer does recall writing HNY at about 07:40 this morning when he got to work,. [13:49] But not one heard hime. [13:49] s/him [13:50] I was delayed by about 20 mins :) [13:50] TheOpenSourcerer: you don't think we read scrollback do you, I've got 2 and half weeks of emails to sift through [13:50] lol === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | next meeting 09/01/2013 20:00 | ☃ ❄ ❅ ☃ ❆ ❇ ♿ | HNY [13:51] Get a tab and do some mass delete during the holidays. [13:55] That snowman in a fez unicode character is awesome. === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | next meeting 09/01/2013 20:00 | ☃ ❄ ❅ ☃ ❆ ❇ ♿ | ubuntu | HNY [14:29] \o/ Unicode Ubuntu === A5c11-away is now known as A5c11Char5et [14:32] yay [14:32] o/ [15:30] Plink [15:33] plonk [15:36] This piano needs tuning [15:36] NHY and all that jazz, popey [15:36] indeed [15:36] ditto [15:37] * directhex moos [15:37] moo indeed [15:38] who let the cows in here? [15:38] * bigcalm adds a google map with pins of accommodation. Filling time while waiting for hosting companies to change passwords :Z [15:38] oh dear [15:39] a password on your account? [15:39] Are all clients inept? [15:39] yes [15:39] Na, client [15:39] oh right [15:39] Anyone here use Blogilo with Unity/Gnome ?? [15:39] popey: good, I'm not being singled out then [15:52] hmm 2hrs till that ubuntu announcem,ent [15:52] I do hope it's something cool [15:53] touchscreen unity, to unite the worlds of ubuntu on desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone [15:53] and a real product to go with it? [15:53] i mean hardware [15:53] tie in [16:02] Anybody know where the announcement is taking place and in what form? Are they simply updating the website or are they doing a demo of something in a press release kind of manner? [16:03] it'll be all over news sites [16:04] popey: :D nice [16:04] especially in Germany, I gather [16:04] eh? [16:04] http://socloseyoucanalmostbobbleit.com/ [16:05] haha, why is all I can say to that site [16:06] does it involve a real product, or a concept again? [16:06] i.e ubuntu tv and mobile haven't been carried by any vendors [16:06] why am I looking at jono's face bobbling at me? [16:06] mungojerry: Nobody knows. Those that do know aren't allowed to say I imagine. [16:06] more importantly does it involve any downloads ? [16:07] correct [16:07] ubuntubhoy: +1 [16:07] you'll hear nothing from canonical people until 6pm [16:07] and before that it's wild speculation [16:07] yip [16:08] Really nice to see Ubuntu getting so popular, Ubuntu 6.10 seems to far behind Ubuntu now :P [16:08] I'll tell you what, I like the circles thing going on at the bobble site... more of this sort of thing from canonical please [16:09] ☺ [16:09] I like that too. [16:09] Is there a hashtag going on for this event? [16:10] 6.10 was the first Ubuntu version I tried, and it "just worked" [16:10] I'm going to be on the stupid train when this all kicks off [16:10] why can't I have an invite to the event? [16:10] *sulks* [16:10] * kvarley too. I tried 6.04 then got my brother to install 6.10 on my pc :) [16:10] sprmtt: Everyone knows that canonical will be announcing that popey is to be the new grand chanceller of the world [16:10] sprmtt: Mobile data? :) [16:10] 12.10 64-bit pretty much Just Worked for me too ;) [16:11] popey is the new grand Pooh Bear? [16:11] Yup, all of your honey will belong to him [16:11] kvarley: well, of course [16:11] Maybe they will just announce something like "Big Data is now in The Cloud" [16:11] I guess I could do that, considering I've run out of comics to read this week [16:11] that's ok, I'm on a reduced sugar and carbohydrate diet ;) [16:11] :p [16:13] or "The Cloud is gathering and raining Big Data onto the consumer Tablet ecosystem" [16:14] I'm just trying to think of buzz terms [16:14] the fewer bad puns this thing has, the better [16:14] nothing about "girls", hopefully [16:15] hurm, the so close thing on the ubuntu website suggests it's certainly something physical that I'll be able to touch tomorrow [16:15] well, maybe not tomorrow, but soon [16:16] The best case: hardware with Ubuntu shipping on it (be it TV, phone, tablet). The good case: Ubuntu for Android download. The bad case: New t-shirt in the shop. The worst case: Canonical trollin' us. [16:17] hey! [16:17] nothing wrong with the t-shirts [16:17] I know :) I'm wearing one right now [16:17] me too ☺ [16:17] maybe it'll be an ubuntu watch, because there's speculation already about an apple watch [16:17] Maybe Shuttleworth will announce his new beard for 2013 [16:17] I'm wearing my lucid shirt [16:17] popey: :D Are you allowed to wear ubuntu gear to work everyday? [16:18] sprmtt: 12.04 shirt here [16:18] of course [16:18] I wish I could have bought a hardy shirt :( [16:19] i have 3 ☺ [16:19] dammit! [16:19] Maybe a new tablet will be announced called The Ubuntu Slab [16:19] none on ebay [16:20] It would have to be a pinkish, purpleish colour. Definitely not brown. [16:21] oh god, maybe that's the announcement... canonical are reintroducing the hardy heron t-shirt to the store [16:21] hah [16:21] they could make MILLIONS [16:21] I wish! [16:21] of pennies [16:22] I'd buy that for a dollar [16:22] it'd be nice if there was a brief run of some old merch, just for those of us that couldn't get them the first time around [16:23] 6.10 T-shirt? [16:23] dont think there was a dapper one [16:23] A new background? [16:23] oh, edgy [16:23] Ubuntu on ARM7? [16:24] I'd just like to know whether I'll need my wallet handy [16:24] I thought Ubuntu ran on certain ARM chips already [16:24] mine is empty [16:24] although there might be some moths in it [16:24] bashrc`: :/ [16:26] I just cashed my dad's christmas cheque, so whatever it is could well be mine [16:26] I hope they have some sort of bandwidth monitor on ubuntu.com, would be interesting to see how many people load the site after 6 [16:27] kvarley: perhaps it's all a ploy to see how many people watch the page and keep refreshing it [16:27] dwatkins: Yeah, they just need to test their servers heh [16:27] That'd be mean [16:27] popey said news sites would be publishing about it tho so it can't be that [16:27] I remember hearing about a launch (BT WirePlay, many years ago) which resulted in the servers going down due to heavy load - this was seen as a win because it 'demonstrated' how popular it was [16:28] my point was that it would be covered by mainstream news sites [16:28] so no, I don't think it's a t-shirt [16:28] I don' think they'd bother with a big launch just for some attire or a new mouse... nice as that mouse is :D [16:28] Maybe it's a commemorative mug [16:29] well it's gotta be the phone then [16:29] like a royal mug, but with a picture of Shuttleworth [16:29] I *really* hope it works with the s3 [16:29] I'm stuck if it is ubuntu for android [16:29] bashrc, I didn't stay up til 5am for a mug [16:29] Only have a single core phone [16:29] This count down doesn't quite have the same impact as that for Portal 2 [16:30] sprmtt: So it's gonna have to be a quick hardware purchase for me if it is [16:30] I didn't see teh countdown for Portal 1 [16:30] Was there one for one? [16:31] Maybe [16:31] I don't think so [16:31] portal 1 was orange box, and hl2 and tf2 were thought to be the products everyone would go dolally for [16:32] turns out it was the one with no shooting that people loved [16:32] was it a game? [16:33] huh? [16:34] ... [16:34] I love puzzle games [16:35] well, it's one of the best puzzle games out there [16:35] at least for a pc/console [16:35] and it'll be on linux before this year is out [16:35] I'm strictly a flight sim rivett counter myself [16:35] probably by february [16:37] Would be nice when Ubuntu newer than 12.04 has graphic blobs for ATI [16:38] it would be, but I imagine ATI think there's no point in supporting anything so old [16:38] any kind of deal between Canonical and the graphics card manufacturers which meant genuinely free drivers would be big news [16:39] bad proprietary drivers have been a continuous thorn [16:40] I thought there were already close links there, bashrc` - not sure though [16:40] TBH, I don't care if the driver is free or not. I want to play games in Linux that I would otherwise play in Windows [16:40] This is _a_ reason why people use Ubuntu and not Debian [16:40] anyone excited yet? almost 1h to go... [16:41] If you don't care about freedom you'll lose it, but anyway free drivers would allow them to be properly maintained [16:42] There are somethings I care about, and there are somethings that I do not. The world isn't made of free [16:42] * dwatkins drives home in order to see the announcement from the comfort of his home office [16:43] I know there is Nouveau, but I think that was achieved despite rather than with the help of the graphics card manufacturers [16:47] Is the announcement being screened as a webcast anywhere? [16:48] no [16:48] I want 6pm to get here so that I can stop coding in PHP and continue coding in Python [16:49] Such a shame that my RPi isn't up to the job I want it to do [16:49] DJones: Unofficial Google+ hangout on omgubuntu.co.uk [16:49] Shame, I guess I'll just keep hitting refresh on OMGbuntu and try and bring the site down [16:49] DJones: I'm guessing that at 00:00:00, the site will update with an ajax call. You don't need to harm your f5 key [16:51] Fair point, plus I have to press Function-F5 on this laptop, thats a two finger gesture [16:51] Same here [16:51] Irritating [16:51] Definately, especially for F2 to edit filenames [16:52] I need to stop buying Hayley pens for Xmas and save the money for a decent laptop [16:52] She loved the Visconti Opera Typhoo btw [16:53] That sounds like something you should drink [16:53] Oops [16:53] Typhoon [16:53] Heh [16:54] while I don't like the move that defaults function keys to media stuff, etc, I completely understand it [16:54] normal users never touch function keys [16:54] Yummy pen, wish she didn't want it so I could keep it for myself: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1400&bih=781&tbm=isch&tbnid=CS_BCZh7mu7LsM:&imgrefurl=http://www.writeherekitenow.co.uk/acatalog/Visconti-Opera-Range.html&docid=XbsdDryVQim_CM&imgurl=http://www.writeherekitenow.co.uk/acatalog/Typhoon_Crystal_Nib13705.jpg&w=705&h=400&ei=O2bkUL75JpOS0QWZ-IBo&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=837&vpy=303&dur=837&hovh=169&ho [16:55] vw=298&tx=161&ty=71&sig=117843636389540489136&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=222&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0,i:130 [16:55] even less so now that mac style shortcuts are creeping in to windows/linux applications, like ctrl q for quit and ctrl w for close window [16:55] nice url [16:55] wow, that's beautiful [16:55] Ug, http://www.writeherekitenow.co.uk/acatalog/Visconti-Opera-Typhoon-Fountain-Pen.html [16:55] bigcalm: DJones: I can confirm it will reload the page when the countdown reaches 0 [16:55] google images does really need a small url option [16:56] sprmtt: It has one, but you have to hit the share button iirc [16:56] Or it used to [16:56] I can be lazy at times [16:57] The new google/youtube layouts are annoying. Since when did >1024x768 resolutions not matter? [16:57] All it takes is a little "margin: 0 auto;" love [16:57] since most laptops are now 1336x768(ish) [16:58] I was looking at what I could buy the other day, and if I wanted something that could do higher resolutions, it would mean being forced to use intel graphics [16:58] which is of course terrible for games [16:59] 1 hour to go! [17:00] I guess they assume that you're going to plug your laptop into a screen for gaming, but not everyone wants to do that [17:00] I had to downgrade my laptop to 12.04.1. Battery lasts a lot longer once more. And it far less noisy :) [17:00] if your battery is noisy.. fear :) [17:01] Hah [17:01] the fans, I assume [17:02] MartijnVdS: no, the laptop doesn't get as hot as 12.04 has the correct binary for the ATI graphics [17:03] that's perhaps another reason why graphics drivers should be free [17:03] so that they can be properly integrated with power management [17:08] much like with the arguments over network drivers, the theory is much better than the practice [17:08] e.g. ubuntu 10.04 could not be made to output via displayport but not via internal laptop display, with Free intel graphics, unless you used a PPA [17:10] I've never had Intel graphics chips [17:11] intel graphics ♥ [17:12] How do Intel graphics compare to the rest? Good/bad/ugly? [17:12] see also people raving about intel wifi even though it's fundamentally broken [17:13] popey: I broke ikea :( [17:13] intel hd4000, on the latest chips, is the first time intel is faster at drawing to the screen than a toddler with a box of crayons [17:13] I always break everything xD [17:13] i'd pick an intel hd4000 ahead of an entry-level radeon [17:13] heh [17:13] hah [17:13] games are playable, on low detail/resolution. that was never true for older chips. [17:14] when the order arrived the delivery guys were confused because the sum of the list of items to deliver was less than the order total, so they had to call into HQ for advice [17:14] i have no problem with intel wifi here [17:14] 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [17:14] popey, do you have N disabled? [17:14] said there was 28 items to deliver but only 20 items were listed [17:14] dunno [17:15] and just now I got an email saying they are going to deliver my order on the 8th xD [17:15] when...they already delivered it this morning [17:15] what on earth did you order? [17:15] there is an AP-dependent bug in the intel drivers that causes them to stop routing packets when connected to 802.11n access points, after an indeterminite amount of time [17:15] delightful [17:15] the time in my experience tends to be measured in milliseconds [17:16] it's near instant on huawei APs (e.g. BT homehub) [17:16] mgdm: an hour can me measured in milliseconds ;) [17:16] bigcalm: pedant [17:16] :D [17:17] Oh how I wish I understood how this GearmanBundle worked [17:17] Can I continue with my Python learning please? [17:17] Going to OS the project if anybody wants to point and laugh at my work :) [17:18] apparently they didn't ship me all the legs for no apparent reason [17:18] bigcalm: can we start now to save time? [17:18] sprmtt: when I know you for longer than I have so far, yes [17:18] awww [17:18] ok [17:18] I'll wait [17:45] so...the new Ubuntu thing is some sort of product? [17:46] nah it's just a countdown [17:46] It'll go "Oh it's not April 1st yet?" [17:46] https://twitter.com/LinuxUserMag/status/286527845734432769 [17:48] ☺ [17:48] My money would be on a steam gaming console. If I had any money. [17:48] Hehe [17:48] could be [17:49] einonm: you know that Ubuntu is in itself a product right ;) [17:50] 9 mins [17:51] davmor2: sure, It's more usual to call a physical thing a 'product', more than a bit of software...wouldn't you say? :) [17:51] nope [17:51] No [17:51] I really hope its a full WM/UI that will work on a touch PC [17:51] without compromise [17:52] join #ubuntu-discuss to join the fun ☺ [17:53] popey: thanks. There really are a lot of ubuntu channels, hard to keep up... [17:58] AlanBell: czajkowski: did I give you 2 a URL last year? [17:58] bigcalm: nope [17:59] just a date :) [18:00] i spy a swooshing logo [18:00] swooshing? [18:00] yeah the ubuntu.com countdown [18:00] einonm: Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux developed by a company called Canonical [18:01] *GNU/Linux [18:01] A 'Linux distribution' implies GNU [18:01] it's swishing alright [18:02] I think the swooshing logo is supposed to run for 2 minutes then refresh [18:02] not really, i could distribute a kernel [18:02] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-phone-os-unveiled-by-canonical [18:02] nginx says 'this site is getting hammered' [18:03] Maybe Mark Shuttleworth will announce his latest hairstyle [18:03] 504 Gateway Time-out \o/ [18:03] my browser says the same [18:03] guys what's the easiest way to find out what audio driver is being used to run a soundcard? [18:03] daftykins: lspci or lsmod|grep snd (?) [18:03] back about 7 years ago i remember 'lsmod | grep soundcore' but it just shows 'snd' :> [18:03] 504 Gateway timeout! \o/ [18:03] choochoo [18:03] daftykins: lspci -nnnvv [18:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU [18:04] soreau: thanks, passing on to my friend in need now :> [18:05] Is he going for a Steve Jobs look, do you think? [18:07] What is it? Site won't load on my tablet [18:07] 'ubuntu phone os' [18:07] still guessing? [18:08] Download link or is it just coming soon? [18:08] well that depends if popey's link is legit [18:08] i haven't seen any page load yet so might have to wait until the buzz dies down [18:09] My god that's a dull video [18:09] All the links on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ are giving errors, not just the phone os link [18:10] yes, because the site's getting rumped [18:10] Best part - current Android handsets should run the OS [18:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4 trailer ☺ [18:10] yes, it's a phone OS [18:11] I think it's time to play some Lego Lord of the Rings [18:11] so no hardware then? [18:11] lol search followed by amazon results [18:11] handsets delivered early 2014. Will the OS be available to test before they are released ? [18:11] on other devices [18:12] i can't believe it's not android (TM) [18:12]