| britt__ | hey guys | 15:24 |
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| britt__ | I just reported bug 1095674 about the gnome-control-center not showing "software-sources" or "ubuntuone" in the Raring dev release | 15:28 |
| ubot5 | bug 1095674 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Software-Sources and Ubuntuone missing from gnome-control-center in Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095674 | 15:28 |
| britt__ | do any of you have that problem? | 15:28 |
| jbicha | britt__: that's a feature not a bug | 15:29 |
| britt__ | jbicha why wouldn't we want it to show software sources? | 15:29 |
| jbicha | those items are still accessible in the Activities Overview | 15:29 |
| jbicha | if we're trying to be a mostly pure GNOME distro, then we should ship System Settings as close as possible to how GNOME intends | 15:30 |
| britt__ | yeah I saw that, and also within the software center | 15:30 |
| britt__ | I guess, but that is a very "system settings-ish" thing and was very usefull | 15:30 |
| jbicha | also, Ubuntu One and Software Sources don't integrate right with System Settings as they are external "pop-ups" instead of embedded into the main window | 15:31 |
| britt__ | I gotcha | 15:31 |
| britt__ | so we are running two separate system settings packages now with main ubuntu, one strictly for unity? | 15:31 |
| jbicha | no, it's one package but it looks different if run from Unity | 15:32 |
| jbicha | XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity gnome-control-center | 15:32 |
| jbicha | ^ run that to see the other style | 15:32 |
| britt__ | yes but there is a new package in the repos called gnome-control-center-unity that is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop | 15:33 |
| jbicha | that's currently just the Appearance panel | 15:33 |
| britt__ | gotcha gotcha | 15:34 |
| britt__ | I see the differences | 15:34 |
| britt__ | man my OCD goes crazy when there are things in the application window that are settings specific, and not in system settings | 15:35 |
| britt__ | or in Unity's case, they are in system settings AND the app launcher | 15:35 |
| britt__ | I see the pure-gnome POV, but it fractures the usability a bit | 15:35 |
| britt__ | however it is minor to say the least | 15:36 |
| jbicha | well GNOME has this mockup: https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Sharing but unforunately I doubt Ubuntu One or Landscape would use it instead of their unique apps | 15:36 |
| jbicha | while Ubuntu One is cool, the UI doesn't fit with GNOME and the Ubuntu One management seems to have no desire to improve that | 15:38 |
| britt__ | yeah, and they are both qt I believe which breaks away from gtk+ | 15:38 |
| britt__ | which is crap, because the ubuntu-specific-bonuses is the one thing that makes me keep coming back to ubuntu rather than others | 15:39 |
| jbicha | Software Sources is python+gtk (and it's also accessible from Software Center which is ok too) | 15:39 |
| britt__ | do you know why they are so stuck on the ubuntuone-control panel being so dang ugly? I dont understand why the windows and osx control panels look better than the one designed for ubuntu | 15:40 |
| britt__ | heck the phone versions look better | 15:40 |
| jbicha | I submitted UI bugs immediately after the Qt version landed in Ubuntu by default but they've been ignored | 15:41 |
| britt__ | yeah you aren't the only one. Omgubuntu has been ranting on it for well over a year | 15:41 |
| britt__ | it is attrocious | 15:41 |
| britt__ | and has NOTHING to do with any of the other themes | 15:42 |
| britt__ | grey dull background, weird rounded corners | 15:42 |
| jbicha | we might include U1 by default any way (we already ship most of the libraries it needs) | 15:42 |
| britt__ | too bad we cant use the old gtk interface that it used to have | 15:42 |
| britt__ | that one was ok | 15:43 |
| britt__ | better than the new one, albeit less featurefull | 15:43 |
| britt__ | speaking of "by default". Have we made any decision on Libreoffice over abiword and gnumeric? | 15:44 |
| britt__ | opening abiword and libreoffice-word side by side they look nearly identical, though abiword is far far behind | 15:45 |
| britt__ | I either think we include no-default office program, or it be libreoffice | 15:46 |
| britt__ | because it bugs me having to break ubuntu-gnome-desktop meta dependency just to remove it | 15:46 |
| jbicha | you don't have to break anything, abiword & gnumeric are just recommends | 15:52 |
| jbicha | britt__: no, ubuntu-standard is the base of Ubuntu (server, Kubuntu, etc), ubuntu-desktop is the one with all of the gnome, unity, firefox etc. dependencies | 16:28 |
| britt__ | hrm | 16:29 |
| britt__ | I was wrong then | 16:29 |
| britt__ | I just remember removing default ubuntu apps and not having them pulled back in on reinstalling ubuntu-desktop | 16:29 |
| britt__ | is there a way they are installed by default but not a ubuntu-desktop dependency? | 16:30 |
| britt__ | I dont know how ubiquity works with installations | 16:30 |
| jbicha | it might be useful to have a ubuntu-gnome-desktop-extras package but I don't want to be the one maintaining that | 16:30 |
| britt__ | haha | 16:31 |
| britt__ | yeah more work is never good | 16:31 |
| britt__ | I'm just thinking along the lines of trying to get this remix to be an official derivative. And things like would probably add to the credibility of the project | 16:32 |
| britt__ | the work done to differentiate the unity/gnome hybrid components has been fantastic | 16:33 |
| britt__ | if that was you who did that, well don sir | 16:33 |
| britt__ | done* | 16:33 |
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