[15:24] hey guys [15:28] I just reported bug 1095674 about the gnome-control-center not showing "software-sources" or "ubuntuone" in the Raring dev release [15:28] bug 1095674 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Software-Sources and Ubuntuone missing from gnome-control-center in Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095674 [15:28] do any of you have that problem? [15:29] britt__: that's a feature not a bug [15:29] jbicha why wouldn't we want it to show software sources? [15:29] those items are still accessible in the Activities Overview [15:30] if we're trying to be a mostly pure GNOME distro, then we should ship System Settings as close as possible to how GNOME intends [15:30] yeah I saw that, and also within the software center [15:30] I guess, but that is a very "system settings-ish" thing and was very usefull [15:31] also, Ubuntu One and Software Sources don't integrate right with System Settings as they are external "pop-ups" instead of embedded into the main window [15:31] I gotcha [15:31] so we are running two separate system settings packages now with main ubuntu, one strictly for unity? [15:32] no, it's one package but it looks different if run from Unity [15:32] XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity gnome-control-center [15:32] ^ run that to see the other style [15:33] yes but there is a new package in the repos called gnome-control-center-unity that is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop [15:33] that's currently just the Appearance panel [15:34] gotcha gotcha [15:34] I see the differences [15:35] man my OCD goes crazy when there are things in the application window that are settings specific, and not in system settings [15:35] or in Unity's case, they are in system settings AND the app launcher [15:35] I see the pure-gnome POV, but it fractures the usability a bit [15:36] however it is minor to say the least [15:36] well GNOME has this mockup: https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Sharing but unforunately I doubt Ubuntu One or Landscape would use it instead of their unique apps [15:38] while Ubuntu One is cool, the UI doesn't fit with GNOME and the Ubuntu One management seems to have no desire to improve that [15:38] yeah, and they are both qt I believe which breaks away from gtk+ [15:39] which is crap, because the ubuntu-specific-bonuses is the one thing that makes me keep coming back to ubuntu rather than others [15:39] Software Sources is python+gtk (and it's also accessible from Software Center which is ok too) [15:40] do you know why they are so stuck on the ubuntuone-control panel being so dang ugly? I dont understand why the windows and osx control panels look better than the one designed for ubuntu [15:40] heck the phone versions look better [15:41] I submitted UI bugs immediately after the Qt version landed in Ubuntu by default but they've been ignored [15:41] yeah you aren't the only one. Omgubuntu has been ranting on it for well over a year [15:41] it is attrocious [15:42] and has NOTHING to do with any of the other themes [15:42] grey dull background, weird rounded corners [15:42] we might include U1 by default any way (we already ship most of the libraries it needs) [15:42] too bad we cant use the old gtk interface that it used to have [15:43] that one was ok [15:43] better than the new one, albeit less featurefull [15:44] speaking of "by default". Have we made any decision on Libreoffice over abiword and gnumeric? [15:45] opening abiword and libreoffice-word side by side they look nearly identical, though abiword is far far behind [15:46] I either think we include no-default office program, or it be libreoffice [15:46] because it bugs me having to break ubuntu-gnome-desktop meta dependency just to remove it [15:52] you don't have to break anything, abiword & gnumeric are just recommends [16:28] britt__: no, ubuntu-standard is the base of Ubuntu (server, Kubuntu, etc), ubuntu-desktop is the one with all of the gnome, unity, firefox etc. dependencies [16:29] hrm [16:29] I was wrong then [16:29] I just remember removing default ubuntu apps and not having them pulled back in on reinstalling ubuntu-desktop [16:30] is there a way they are installed by default but not a ubuntu-desktop dependency? [16:30] I dont know how ubiquity works with installations [16:30] it might be useful to have a ubuntu-gnome-desktop-extras package but I don't want to be the one maintaining that [16:31] haha [16:31] yeah more work is never good [16:32] I'm just thinking along the lines of trying to get this remix to be an official derivative. And things like would probably add to the credibility of the project [16:33] the work done to differentiate the unity/gnome hybrid components has been fantastic [16:33] if that was you who did that, well don sir [16:33] done* === TheLordOfTime is now known as LordOfTime === LordOfTime is now known as TheLordOfTime