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| tjaalton | there's no d-i upload using the backport stack for 12.04.2 yet? | 10:50 |
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| cjwatson | should be in -proposed ... | 10:54 |
| tjaalton | oh | 10:56 |
| tjaalton | yeah there it is.. didn't think to check -proposed | 10:57 |
| tjaalton | I think there is a newer kernel available now (-35), so maybe a rebuild is in order? | 10:58 |
| tjaalton | uh | 10:58 |
| tjaalton | -21 | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | I'd like to finish landing the SB stack first please | 10:59 |
| tjaalton | sure, just thinking out loud :) | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: Did you ever manage to test precise images on non-SB systems of any kind? | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | (Or anyone else?) | 10:59 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: you mean like the -proposed netboot image? I can give it a go | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | I meant CD images | 11:12 |
| tjaalton | I've installed it on a haswell system, no secure boot | 11:14 |
| tjaalton | before the holidays | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | BIOS or UEFI? | 11:14 |
| tjaalton | good question.. I'll check. could be bios | 11:15 |
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| tjaalton | cjwatson: bios.. | 11:41 |
| cjwatson | OK, thanks | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | Anyone done a non-SB UEFI test with current precise imageS? | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | *images | 11:45 |
| tjaalton | i'll try that next | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | Brilliant, thanks | 11:46 |
| tjaalton | hmm, maybe I should try some other image than this oem one... | 11:46 |
| tjaalton | and not on the beta hw :) | 11:47 |
| tjaalton | has issues with booting uefi it seems | 11:47 |
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| tjaalton | cjwatson: is it the precise/dvd/current image on cdimages.u.c? | 11:54 |
| tjaalton | it says 12.04.2 | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 11:56 |
| tjaalton | ok, takes a while to download | 11:56 |
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| tjaalton | cjwatson: I get "error: couldn't read file; error: you need to load the kernel first" after the grub menu | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | Any difference with the desktop image? | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | precise/daily-live/current/ | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | and this is amd64 I presume | 13:14 |
| tjaalton | downloading, and yes | 13:15 |
| tjaalton | the oem image had the same problem | 13:16 |
| tjaalton | from mid-december with the new stuff on it | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | I'm not going to debug the OEM image since some of this stuff can depend on fine details of image construction | 13:18 |
| tjaalton | right, but it could be something related to the haswell firmware too. I'll ask around just to be sure | 13:20 |
| cjwatson | It's possible, although an outside chance | 13:21 |
| cjwatson | Also possibly worth comparing with 12.04.1 to see whether this is a regression | 13:27 |
| tjaalton | hm, the amd64+mac image I had doesn't even seem to load grub | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | Why are you using amd64+mac? | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | Its purpose is not to have UEFI support. | 13:42 |
| tjaalton | it's the only cd-sized image there was | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | It's not a valid test for this. | 13:43 |
| tjaalton | and I had that already | 13:43 |
| tjaalton | this was .1 | 13:43 |
| tjaalton | .2 just finished downloading | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | ^- explains that amd64+mac does not have UEFI support | 13:44 |
| cjwatson | Does this brand-spanking-new system really have a CD-only drive? | 13:44 |
| tjaalton | no :) | 13:45 |
| tjaalton | s/cd-sized/reasonably sized/ | 13:45 |
| tjaalton | booting off a usb stick didn't work the last time I tried | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | eh, the amd64 image is very similar in size to the amd64+mac image | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | to within noise, basically | 13:46 |
| tjaalton | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/ | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | besides, it was just what I had on the system readily available, I'll try .2 now while .1 dvd is downloading | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | bah | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | confusing :) | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | (and see the link at the top of that page ...) | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | hah | 13:47 |
| tjaalton | bad/old habit of using cdimages.u.c.. | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | current precise-desktop-amd64 works fine in kvm/uefi for me | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | well, gets to grub and boots the kernel | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | I'll do a full test install in kvm | 13:50 |
| cjwatson | working in kvm seems to eliminate this being an image construction bug, so I think a firmware problem has become more likely | 13:51 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 13:52 |
| tjaalton | or firmware setting bug | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | admittedly I've not tried the DVD yet; it'll take a couple of hours to download | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | the fact that grub got as far as it did for you indicates that efidisk is at least somewhat working, since it read its configuration file | 13:53 |
| cjwatson | check that the problem's repeatable, too | 13:54 |
| tjaalton | same thing with the desktop image.. trying with the usb stick now | 13:55 |
| tjaalton | could be a brazero issue on quantal | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | I use growisofs for burning DVD images | 13:55 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: ha, booted fine off the usb stick, installing now | 14:04 |
| cjwatson | OK, good; I'd still like to know that it isn't a regression, but that's helpful | 14:07 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: I did one before the holidays by accident (forgot to enable SB) and it worked fine | 14:07 |
| tjaalton | I'll try with the growisofs-burned image next | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | infinity: Do you remember anything else we wanted to check before dropping in the whole lot? | 14:08 |
| cjwatson | I still have two other grub2 patches I want to squeeze in for .2 (one customer-requested), and am running out of time ... | 14:11 |
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| tjaalton | cjwatson: not a regression, getting the same with .1 | 14:47 |
| tjaalton | something wrong with the machine | 14:47 |
| tjaalton | but usb worked, installed and boots afterwards | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | phew (from my pov) | 14:48 |
| tjaalton | :) | 14:48 |
| tjaalton | the .2 image doesn't seem to use the xorg backport stack yet? | 14:51 |
| cjwatson | no, just the kernel backports | 14:51 |
| cjwatson | not worked out what we need to do for xorg yet | 14:51 |
| tjaalton | a new meta package for ubuntu-desktop, and the desktop task that installs it? | 14:53 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst should know, I'll ask.. | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | task changes are troublesome | 14:57 |
| cjwatson | I think we're actually going to have to switch to the metapackage; but if we change the metapackage then that upgrades existing users ... | 14:57 |
| cjwatson | the kernel was easier since that's already handled specially | 14:57 |
| tjaalton | so there's xserver-xorg-lts-quantal, but the current archive version would remove ubuntu-desktop | 14:58 |
| tjaalton | and there's a new version that fixes that, but not accepted yet | 14:58 |
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| cjwatson | let's see about that | 15:00 |
| tjaalton | on the proposed queue I'm told.. | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | no bug ref, makes it hard to coordinate validation? | 15:00 |
| tjaalton | hmm | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | there are occasional very routine things we do without that, but not sure this counts as routine | 15:01 |
| mlankhorst | hey | 15:01 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: 17:00 < cjwatson> no bug ref, makes it hard to coordinate validation? | 15:01 |
| tjaalton | for the xorg upload | 15:01 |
| mlankhorst | hm would have to check | 15:02 |
| mlankhorst | don't know if it had a bug or not | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | if not, could you create an artificial one, please? | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | I just want some way of ensuring that this all works together nicely | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | and somebody is going to have to recommend a set of installer/metapackage/whatever changes, bearing in mind upgrade effects | 15:04 |
| mlankhorst | so far most communication goes through me | 15:04 |
| mlankhorst | so felt like having a bug was confusing | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | for SRUs it needs to be in bugs | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | please | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | it will make things better since there'll be clear status right there on the SRU report | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | can't do much about the existing xorg updates; right now they're all sitting there with no way to indicate whether they're good for promotion to -updates :-/ | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | so, the spec says that upgraders won't be pulled into the new enablement stack | 15:06 |
| tjaalton | right | 15:06 |
| mlankhorst | yeah the xorg package just allows the lts-quantal version to be coinstalled | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | this means we somehow need to get the images changed without touching metapackages | 15:07 |
| tjaalton | but the .2 image needs to have some way to pull xorg-lts-quantal | 15:07 |
| tjaalton | which then provides 'xorg' for ubuntu-desktop | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | this is kind of horribly out of spec for the image building tools - but there may be some ways to achieve it | 15:07 |
| mlankhorst | erm | 15:08 |
| mlankhorst | xorg can install just fine | 15:08 |
| mlankhorst | it's just the xserver-xorg that will conflict with xserver-xorg-lts-quantal | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | I can't really do anything until the SB stack lands, at risk of entangling the two | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | sure, but that doesn't address the image building problem | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | it makes it possible to do something without breaking upgraders, yes | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | but I think we're going to need to SRU at least livecd-rootfs and possibly pkgsel to manually arrange to install -lts-quantal | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | actually I'd rather leave pkgsel alone and only support installing the enablement stack from desktop images ... | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | (and DVD) | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | and there's the question of things like the Chinese edition | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | kind of unfortunate nobody arranged for anyone cdimagey to have a work item for this ... | 15:12 |
| tjaalton | :) | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | so, if I can have an xorg reupload with a bug ref, I'll accept that, and then we can get going on the image building changes after the SB changes are in -updates | 15:13 |
| mlankhorst | ok | 15:14 |
| mlankhorst | could you look at the video blobs in the meantime? | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | specific package names? | 15:15 |
| mlankhorst | nvidia-* and fglrx whatever, that are still in the proposed queue | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | mkay | 15:15 |
| mlankhorst | do you want a bug specific about xorg, or just generic 'xorg quantal in precise' bug | 15:18 |
| cjwatson | the latter's fine | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | sigh, at least one of these fglrx uploads is busted | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | is tseliot on IRC anywhere? | 15:20 |
| mlankhorst | should be | 15:20 |
| mlankhorst | but not online atm | 15:20 |
| tjaalton | probably on holiday | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | in that case perhaps one of you could upload new fglrx-installer-experimental-9 and fglrx-installer-updates packages in line with comments #31 and #32 in bug 1080588 (i.e. drop the xserver-xorg-core deps and upload with appropriate -v)? | 15:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1080588 in jockey (Ubuntu Precise) "jockey suggests not installable packages on renamed stack" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080588 | 15:24 |
| mlankhorst | cjwatson: hm should I bump version of xorg as well or can you delete the current one from -proposed? | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | mlankhorst: I've rejected it | 15:33 |
| mlankhorst | ah k | 15:34 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: so can I reuse 2:9.010-0ubuntu0.2 and squash both changes there? | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | In this case, since there's an additional change, I'd rather you used a new version number | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | (actual source change rather than just changelog) | 15:37 |
| tjaalton | so 0.4? | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 15:37 |
| tjaalton | ok I'll deal with those | 15:38 |
| mlankhorst | cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1095686 good enough? | 15:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1095686 in xorg (Ubuntu) "xorg needs to be updated to allow quantal xserver stack to be installed" [Critical,In progress] | 15:43 |
| tjaalton | jeez, fglrx is huge.. | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | mlankhorst: yes, thanks, now that I've targeted it to precise :) | 15:44 |
| mlankhorst | ah right | 15:44 |
| mlankhorst | uploading | 15:44 |
| mlankhorst | oops | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | oops? | 15:46 |
| mlankhorst | raced with your bug changes :) | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | not a problem ... | 15:47 |
| mlankhorst | but it's there now, I'm uncertain about the fglrx changes, tjaalton are you working on it? | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I'll review it once the queue gets a debdiff | 15:48 |
| tjaalton | mlankhorst: yeah, trying to figure out what to actually change :) | 15:48 |
| mlankhorst | how are those maintained btw? | 15:49 |
| tjaalton | in git somewhere I think, but pulled them from the rejected queue | 15:50 |
| tjaalton | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text= | 15:50 |
| mlankhorst | yeah I was just curious if we had a central repo or something, similar to other xorg things | 15:50 |
| tjaalton | nothing we can touch | 15:51 |
| tjaalton | it's on github or such | 15:51 |
| mlankhorst | ah | 15:51 |
| tjaalton | fglrx-installer-experimental uploaded | 16:08 |
| tjaalton | -updates after dinner | 16:08 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: the nvidia-96 upload you accepted failed to upload (after build) on amd64, should I just kick a rebuild? | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | sure, if it looks transient | 16:24 |
| tjaalton | yup, built fine | 16:27 |
| mlankhorst | ok now xorg should work? :) | 16:34 |
| tjaalton | hmm, so fglrx-updates in precise doesn't even support the new backport stack, is there any point in updating that version for that bug? | 16:34 |
| mlankhorst | nah | 16:34 |
| tjaalton | ok, so it may wait for the other sru to pass | 16:35 |
| tjaalton | although, it has the same bug as the experimental one | 16:35 |
| mlankhorst | yay | 16:42 |
| brendand | anyone know why in 12.04.2 the kernel versions vary between the amd64 and i386 builds? | 16:46 |
| brendand | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.manifest | 16:46 |
| brendand | linux-image-generic-pae3.2.0.35.40 | 16:46 |
| brendand | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-amd64.manifest | 16:46 |
| brendand | linux-image-generic-lts-quantal3.5.0.21.28 | 16:46 |
| apw | oh ... are the boot kernels on i386 non-pae i wonder | 16:47 |
| apw | hmm no, that is a pae kernel on there, so not that | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | brendand: ara already asked about that on #ubuntu-devel | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | and yes it probably is something to do with pae | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | it's on my list | 16:52 |
| brendand | cjwatson, ok. a fix isn't an emergency from our perspective. mainly we just needed to know whether it was in fact a bug | 16:53 |
| brendand | cjwatson, we wanted to make sure that 3.5 was the kernel that was supposed to be included | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | it is a bug and is something I need to fix for .2 | 16:54 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: both fglrx packages uploaded, but the other sru's still block them | 16:55 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I'm sure we have a lot more misfeatures to shake out on images, but I can't think of anything else SB-specific that needed testing. I've been mostly not getting in the way of you, slangasek, and stgraber testing, mind you. :P | 17:01 |
| cjwatson | infinity: OK. Do you have any objection if I just promote the lot now, then? | 17:10 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Nope. | 17:14 |
| * cjwatson copies all the things | 18:43 | |
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| infinity | cjwatson: The patch to debian/* in grub doesn't match the behaviour you patched into grub itself. | 19:44 |
| infinity | cjwatson: (That is, the debian bits will ignore grub.d if /etc/default/grub doesn't exist, while grub will still use grub.d even if default/grub isn't there) | 19:45 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Not sure which behaviour is most desirable, but they should probably be consistent. | 19:46 |
| cjwatson | fair point; I'll fix that later (and in experimental/raring too) | 19:48 |
| cjwatson | feel free to reject/hold/whatever | 19:49 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I'd probably lean toward the way you did grub, so one could break out default/grub to .d snippets and delete the file entirely, but your call. I'll reject for now. | 19:51 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/1492918/ perhaps. | 19:54 |
| infinity | (And a similar munging of postinst) | 19:55 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Tested the above locally, seems to work as I'd expect. | 20:00 |
| bdmurray | Can the release of Precise SRUs proceed as usual? If so until when? | 20:04 |
| infinity | bdmurray: Yes, until the 17th, ish. | 20:06 |
| xnox | ah. just a week left. | 20:07 |
| bdmurray | infinity: thanks! | 20:08 |
| infinity | xnox: Your weeks are 14 days long? | 20:08 |
| bdmurray | that'd make for less weekends :-( | 20:11 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Oh, hey, I have commit access to grub in Debian, don't I? Maybe I'll just commit this directly, unless you'd rather I didn't? | 20:12 |
| xnox | infinity: 1 week to upload & accepted in -proposed + 1 week of baking , to be release on time. | 20:15 |
| infinity | xnox: Final freeze for 12.04.2 is the 24th, I was giving the 17th as the last possible day to accept things (barring emergencies). | 20:16 |
| xnox | oh, ok. | 20:16 |
| infinity | Not that I have problems with people thinking the deadline is a week earlier. Last minute panic sucks. | 20:16 |
| bdmurray | I just verified bug 1008225 if somebody wants to release it - its been in -proposed for some time. | 20:34 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1008225 in vm-builder (Ubuntu Precise) "vmbuilder fails using tmpfs due to upstart restarting cron in the tmpfs" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008225 | 20:34 |
| infinity | bdmurray: Done. | 20:43 |
| bdmurray | I've made an ubuntu-archive-tools merge proposal - https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/comment-date/+merge/141818 - nothing too exciting though | 21:20 |
| infinity | bdmurray: I object. The diff has more green than red, and I hate green. | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | infinity: that's fine to commit directly, but isn't it needed in postinst.in too? | 23:52 |
| cjwatson | infinity: (definitely to experimental though, not to the unstable/wheezy branch) | 23:53 |
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