[00:44] jono: hah [00:44] Have you ever used a Nexus phone (like Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4) with ICS? If so, how can you claim the interface is not beautiful and polished? [00:44] I have, and I can claim the interface is not beautiful and polished. [00:45] that's the best thing I've heard all day [00:45] jcastro, lol :-) [01:21] jono: ah! look at this one [01:22] http://ubuntuone.com/0FKiUDgpT7cxBcvVpO5sN4 [01:29] jcastro, who did that? [01:33] some guy, it's posted here: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/how-create-currency-converter-app-ubuntu-phones-step-step-official-guide [01:33] jcastro, ++ [01:33] btw good evening [02:15] 45 minutes to go through the currency converter tutorial, and that include a break to put the kids to bed [02:15] not bad at all === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [03:00] Hi; Not sure which channel / path best. [03:00] Trying to figure out where / who best to contact for setting up a quick face-to-face chat on 1/9 at CES 2013 in Las Vegas. [03:01] Company reason for chat: We are helping IVI (via GENIVI) with Navigation (Mapping, GPS, etc.) core tech. [03:01] I am interested in how IVI-Remix and Ubuntu phone could mesh with that work. [03:02] To put it a different way: Any plans yet for the project /workgroup to put maps & location support in Ubuntu phone? [03:05] I will drop by the booth in any case, but it is nice to avoid that the best person to talk to did not just step away for a break. [03:27] hrabbey: There is a formhttp://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us [03:28] hi hrabbey [03:28] popey: are you around to help hrabbey? [03:28] or jono ? [03:29] hrabbey: if you come back around here in, say, 12 hours, there will be more folks around :) [03:31] Will do. So this is an OK channel for the question then? [03:32] I always hesitate on forms, cause I feel they are impersonal, and the form kind of hinted they didn't have time to talk to anyone other than phone manufacturers. [03:32] If it is a waste of time, I do not want to waste their time. [03:34] hrabbey: this is the right channel to ask, and it's not a waste of time :) [03:34] the people in charge are away, so if you come back you'll probably find them onlie [03:35] Thanks. I'll check back in tomorrow then. [03:35] thanks to you for the interest! :) [03:35] I figured it was a bit late, but hoped I could at least get a hint that I was on the right track. [03:36] Thanks for all the work in making Ubuntu the great platform it is and will be. [03:41] hrabbey, can you email me? [03:41] jono@ubuntu.com [03:41] Sure. Will do. [03:42] thanks! [03:43] My pleasure. Good night. [04:05] Hey jono, if you're around would you care to weigh in on this: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5682/do-we-need-a-new-ubuntu-for-phones-tag The AU community is in a strong disagreement with the mobile tag being used for the tablet and phone questions on the site. Is there a preferred tag from a Canonical standpoint? [04:05] I just want to make sure the right people track the right tags on your end [04:06] marcoceppi, thanks for letting me know [04:06] I will weigh in === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [09:55] gooooood morning everyone! [10:14] dpm: is there a place to send web app developers to in particular? [10:16] hi czajkowski, on IRC, if they've got questions specific to Ubuntu web apps, then #ubuntu-webapps. If they've got questions about app development in general (including web development), then #ubuntu-app-devel. For questions on Ask Ubuntu the tag is 'application-development' [10:16] and we probably have a tag for web apps there, let me see if I can find it... [10:17] dpm: cool and is there any website ? [10:18] czajkowski, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps/ === kloeri_ is now known as kloeri [10:19] dpm: perfect thanks [10:19] np. There's also http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/webapps, but it's more for user questions rather than for dev questions [10:20] nods [10:20] cheers [10:54] dpm: most of that is outdated and doesn't quite work [10:56] AlanBell, what do you refer to by "that" [10:56] http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/ for example, I think if you click all the links the calls are wrong [11:00] AlanBell, I don't have a 12.04 system to test. Do you think, or do you know they are wrong? If they are wrong and you could file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+filebug I can fix those docs myself on the site. [11:01] they are wrong in 12.10, they used to wrok [11:02] showNotification can't take two parameters, it needs a third for example [11:04] http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps/ links to that documentation, however look what I found http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/ [11:05] http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/javascript/uwapi-ref.html [11:05] that is updated but seemingly not linked to from anywhere [11:06] there is a bigger problem that I can't now write a webapp and having specified in the init call that I want version 1.0 of the API I don't know whether that is a 12.04 or 12.10 client with different APIs so why on earth is there a version number in the API call? [11:08] bug 1035581 [11:08] Launchpad bug 1035581 in WebApps: Applications "Unity Web API Documentation code snippets don't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035581 [11:14] AlanBell: that bug is assigned to alex [11:15] good job it'll be fixed then [11:17] the documentation might be fixed (well it has been to an extent, just not put in the navigation) [11:18] the problem is that we are making it very hard to develop webapps that work on multiple versions of Ubuntu [11:23] actually it looks like the API was changed within 12.04 as well from the bug [11:52] AlanBell, ok, I've updated the page with the 12.10 link now: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/webapps [11:53] in doing that, I've broken the embedded video, though [11:55] excellent! [11:57] dpm: does the last one adding launcher items work for you? [11:57] Error while dispatching call to Launcher.addAction: TypeError: Object # has no method '_addAction' [11:58] webapps are unfortunately pretty broken on my system, so I'm probably not the best reference :) [11:58] ah OK [11:58] sorry [11:59] well at least having most of the calls work is a huge improvement [12:00] AlanBell, alex-abreu on #ubuntu-webapps might be the best person to ask atm. I've got access to the API docs on d.u.c, so if you find out more, just ping me and I can apply the changes straight away [12:02] great. And, yes that video has gone :( but with the hello world example working I think more people will stick with it [12:08] yeah, I don't know why wordpress is no longer embedding the video, I've been playing with it for 20 mins, and I even restored the original version, but no joy. I give up :/ [13:50] dpm: wordpress hates you today [13:51] it gets like that sometimes, mean spirited. [13:52] jcastro, indeed, I think it needs some rest after the hammering in the last 2 days [13:59] jcastro: The ghost of wordpress present is here to show you the error of your blog! ~wooo~ [14:38] dpm: wasn't it a plugin that embedded the videos? Maybe IS just needs to re-enable it [14:40] mhall119, good point, but I think it's standard WP functionality, and not handled by a plugin. Oddly enough, the embedding was working before I did my (unrelated) edit to the page. I'm not really sure what's going on. [14:41] ah, nvm then [14:41] maybe it's the cache in front of it? [14:54] jcastro, yeah, I was thinking about it as well, but as I have no idea on how caches work, I'm a bit at a loss :( [16:02] dpm, jcastro, mhall119, balloons invite sent [16:03] ok! [16:03] I will be 60 seconds late [16:04] wrapping up a call [17:09] morning! [17:10] balloons, let me know when you will be available [17:12] SergioMeneses, kk [17:47] jono: Any movement on the design-team email I sent you before UDS? [17:47] doctormon, I will check back into it [17:47] OK, thanks jono [18:44] jono: lol didn't we have a call today? [18:52] jcastro, I figured we talked yesterday [18:52] works for me [18:52] I have one thing to bring up by I can PM [19:16] hey AlanBell [19:16] there's a bug for being able to granularly turn lenses/scopes' online thinger on and off [19:16] do you have that handy? [19:56] hi jcastro [19:56] bug #1087873 [19:56] Launchpad bug 1087873 in unity (Ubuntu) "lens privacy feature does not work on all lenses" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087873 [19:57] not quite [20:01] I sent some emails to the ayatana list about it and did a blog article, not sure there is a bug about more granularity, just lots about "it doesn't work" [20:22] bkerensa: you know this is not about the default lenses right? [20:22] AlanBell: Ahh I thought it was [20:23] AlanBell: then its not really a bug is it since they are third party ppa mostly? [20:23] nah, they are all coded up to check the flag [20:23] it is a huge bug [20:23] right, but isn't there a bug for "I should be able to turn some online searches on, and some off."? [20:24] I don't believe there is a bug for that because it is working as designed [20:24] to the extent that it works [20:25] bkerensa: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/12/privacy-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/ [20:27] I was told to file bugs like Bug #1092279 for things that don't respect the single flag [20:27] Launchpad bug 1092279 in Google Documents Lens "does not respect the privacy flag" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092279 [20:28] but there are just too many and I can't be bothered to review them all because I don't agree with the fix it in every lens approach [20:37] oh, I remember seeing a mockup of what that would like like and assumed there would be a bug [20:39] oh that, um one sec [20:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Privacy.png [20:41] that was on an email to the design list to spark discussion about the design [20:41] I can file a bug if you like [20:42] https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg10133.html had no replies [20:43] https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg10092.html had no replies [20:55] https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/F8a3uwB9iu2 was the discussion in question, not on a mailing list [20:57] G+ has crap searching in communities or streams, that took 10 minutes of scrolling to find [21:10] jono: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaAkWy55V3A [21:10] per jcastro's request. ;) [21:12] hah petrucci's is so him [21:12] so stereotype [21:13] he does all the megadeth ones + kirk spot on [21:13] Save for overusing the wah pedal. ;) [21:13] yeah [21:17] snap-l, nice! [21:17] this guy is kind of creepy at getting the personalities right [21:17] I like how he kind of overplays it to make a point [21:17] Like the Van Halen one, lol [21:20] Van Halen really is about overplaying, though [21:20] It's somewhere between the balance of the right amount of notes for the measure, and too many notes. ;) [21:21] yeah [21:21] the mustaine one is funny too [21:21] "let's slowly just creep up the neck." [21:21] on every song. [21:40] rrnwexec: ping [21:41] mhall119: ack [21:41] rrnwexec: hey, you did an interview with me at UDS, has that audio posted somewhere? [21:42] mhall119: that's a superb question ;) it's in editing, should be available in a week or so [21:42] ah, cool, please let me know when so I can figure out what I said ;) [21:42] mhall119: if you want a copy of the unedited i can get it to you though :) [21:42] it's cheating to do interviews half-way through a party with free beer [21:42] rrnwexec: I cna wiat [21:43] mhall119: will let you in on the pre-release then. your interview was quite awesome. [21:43] ah, good to hear, thanks [21:45] mhall119: and i don't remember any free beer. hmm ;P [21:46] I want free beer [21:51] rrnwexec: at the closing party there was, for a time [21:54] cjohnston: heya [21:54] I see django 1.5 is in RC [21:55] uh oh [21:58] <--- EOD. [21:58] have a good weekend everyone [21:58] that's all you had to tell me? [21:58] :-P [21:58] snap-l: you get our housewarming invite? [21:58] cjohnston: yeah, think of it as motivation to work on the django charm [21:58] hah [21:58] i thought there was one [22:03] jcastro: is there a charm for dovecot? [22:03] mhall119: I think yes [22:10] jcastro: Yeah, I did [22:26] mhall119, around? [22:41] cjohnston, ping? [22:41] Quick Django question: I have three tables, A, B, and C, each is linked via a Foreign Key C(B), B(A) and I know the pk of A - how do I return all records from C when I just know the pk of A with this relationship? [22:50] jono, C.objects.filter(b__a=pk) might work [22:50] where "b" and "a" are the attribute names of B and A on C and B respectively [22:53] yeah, seems to work fine [22:54] james_w, so does b__a specify two keys I can search? [22:54] jono, if C.b is the attribute that refers to B [22:54] then C.objects.filter(b=) [22:55] james_w, gotcha [22:55] will find you all Cs that reference the B with [22:55] thanks james_w, will give that a try [22:55] double underscore moves another link down the chain [22:55] so b__a= finds all C where C.b.a.pk == pk [22:59] james_w, I get: Cannot resolve keyword 'b' into field [22:59] jono, you need to use the attribute name for B that is used on C [22:59] jono, if you share your model definitions then I can be more precise [23:00] james_w, sure, I will pastebin it [23:01] james_w, ahhh I got it working [23:01] like you say, I specified the attributes [23:01] thanks james_w! [23:02] np