[11:42] godbyk: happy new year [11:42] godbyk: seems we need a new naming convention for the titlepage files [11:44] what would have been lulu-nl.svg could be wrap-nl.svg if we wanted it to be generic [11:45] but with measurements dependent on the service, createspace-nl.svg might avoid surprises further down the road [12:10] godbyk: assuming the vertical bleed is the diff between a4 height and cover size, i only need the spine width now [20:22] thorwil: Should we name them something generic like 'cover-LANG.svg'? [20:22] Let me get the spine width for you. [20:24] thorwil: The spine width should be 24.159456 pt (0.335548 in). (Gotta love those nice round numbers!) [20:24] godbyk: right now with an old lulu and a new createspace cover in one and the same dir, i don't feel well about a generic name [20:24] thorwil: We can ditch the lulu covers I think. [20:24] btw, we could drop the "titlepage-" for all the single side files [20:25] thorwil: True, though it might make it easier to know if the svg is a title page or cover if we leave it. [20:25] godbyk: what's with lulu-en_US, then? [20:25] thorwil: It doesn't matter too much to me. I just type the names once in the LaTeX script and never think about it again. You're the one who has to edit them all the time. :-) [20:26] thorwil: I didn't remove any of the lulu covers, but we can remove them/rename them if you like. [20:26] thorwil: Since lulu.com is having trouble printing our books, I'm going to be publishing any new ones through CreateSpace. [20:27] godbyk: lulu-en_US of 12-04_precise-e2 is not currently in print? [20:28] thorwil: Correct. precise-e2 edition is allegedly available through lulu.com, but if it's not I'll migrate it to CreateSpace. [20:28] godbyk: easiest to rename and edit the lulu file, then. don't delete it [20:28] For 12.10, I used your lulu cover at the CreateSpace site and it worked okay. They said they scaled it, but I'm not sure why.. the numbers appeared to align when I did the math. [20:28] The printed copy of 12.10 from CreateSpace looks fine, though. [20:29] thorwil: Okay. I'll leave that up to you. [20:29] 12.10 – how come i don't even have thta branch checked out [20:29] that, even [20:30] godbyk: how about calling the files with "single-" and "double-"? [20:31] thorwil: I'm okay with that. Whatever makes the most sense to you is fine with me. :) [20:33] godbyk: ok, i'll add the new file as double-nl.svg later on. please take care of renaming the titlepage-*, as that should happen with updating the script [20:34] thorwil: I'll do that. [20:34] thorwil: Thanks for your help! [20:34] thorwil: I'll probably have some more cover requests coming soon, too. (Just a heads-up.) [20:35] godbyk: your welcome. i just take care of crumbs, while you deal with whole slices of the cake :) [20:36] Mmm.. cake! :-) [20:36] thorwil: Oh, one more thing to keep in mind with the covers: [20:36] s/your/you're/, sheesh as if i have to type the standard mistakes [20:37] CreateSpace adds an ISBN barcode to the bottom-right cover of the back cover. [20:37] So when you're designing covers, don't put anything vital in that spot or it will be occluded by the barcode. [20:37] (With the current covers, this isn't an issue.) [20:37] thorwil: As long as you don't harp at my on my bad typing days, I'll leave you alone on yours. ;-) [20:38] can you get the position/measurements of the barcode? [20:38] Sure. One moment. [20:39] thorwil: https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/CoverPDF.jsp [20:39] It's 2" × 1.2", but it doesn't give the exact position information. [20:40] On the printed copy that I received, the barcode sites ¼" from the bottom of the trimmed edge and ¼" from the fold of the spine. [20:43] ty. sucks. no way to relate my layout to that [20:43] barbarians! :) [20:47] Hi Kevin and Thorsten [20:47] ho CarstenG [20:47] Nice to see, that you found another service for printing. :-) [20:49] Do they have the possibility, that the customer can decide during the order process if he wants a color or black/white version? [20:49] CarstenG: I can upload a color edition if you like. It'd be quite a bit pricier, I think. [20:50] oh, ok. So the same procedure as at lulu... [20:50] CarstenG: Yeah, pretty much. [20:50] CarstenG: Whoever publishes the book decides what format (black-and-white, color, hardcover, paperback, page size, etc.). [20:51] CarstenG: If you're interested in a color edition, I can create one for you, though. [20:51] I will come with this point back to you, when we have finished the German version... [20:51] CarstenG: Okay. [20:52] 28% left to translate... [20:53] CarstenG: Take your time.. I have plenty of other translations to publish. ;-) [20:54] Yeah, great. 5 are nearly ready [20:54] and of Malay only the screenshots are missing.. [20:55] Next on my to do list is to see if I can figure out why French words with apostrophes in them aren't being hyphenated properly. [20:55] (It seems like each translation has its own special issues to be worked out. At least we only have to fix the problem once [most the time].) :) [20:58] You mean something like »s’améliorer.« on page 6 of the French version? [20:59] Looks really not aesthetic... [20:59] CarstenG: Yeah, they're causing overly long lines in a number of places. [21:00] I'm trying to pin down the cause of the problem now. [21:01] Then I have one more problem for you. :-) [21:01] CarstenG: What's that? [21:01] The quotation marks in malay are printed as ? [21:01] CarstenG: Ah, that should be an easy fix. [21:01] And should be as the english ones... [21:02] ... as Susah wrote in his email. [21:02] Ookay. [21:03] CarstenG: Are they working on precise-e2 or quantal (or both)? [21:04] on precise-e2 [21:04] Okay. [21:08] double-nl.svg pushed [21:09] thorwil: Thanks! [21:09] I'll upload it and see if it complains about anything. [21:11] thorwil: Oops! I forgot to send you Dutch text for the back cover. [21:11] Lemme find that for you. [21:12] I was also wondering about that. :-) [21:12] Only english there. :-) [21:12] godbyk: that happens when i switch from debugging clojure, try to figure out why ardour 2 doesn'tbuild and try to finish a titlepage svg ;) [21:13] otherwise i surely would have remembered to actually check the text [21:13] thorwil: Heh.. no problem! :-) [21:14] This is one idea for the raring manual: Can we include all these texts to the pot file so that they are available on LP? [21:14] It looks like it should be the same text as for the lucid-e1 cover. [21:14] CarstenG: Possibly. We should look into that. [21:15] CarstenG: Hannie and I were talking the other day and we'd like to rewrite this cover text anyway. [21:16] thorwil: I've emailed you the old lucid-e1 Dutch covers. The text on the back cover should be the same for precise-e2. [21:26] godbyk: i copied the text from that branch [21:26] * thorwil has them all collected [21:26] thorwil: So organized! (More so than I!) [21:26] godbyk: better have Hannie take a look at it [21:26] thorwil: I'll do that. [21:27] have to run, cya [23:18] Ok, see you tomorrow. [23:19] bye