[18:03] <tgm4883> well we should probably get started
[18:03] <tgm4883> !help
[18:03] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:03] <tgm4883> !meeting
[18:04] <tgm4883> thanks ubottu, you are so helpful
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology if you're looking for it...
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[18:04] <tgm4883> TheLordOfTime, exactly what I'm looking for, thanks
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> tgm4883, also, /topic
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[18:04]  * TheLordOfTime returns to poking server packages
[18:05] <tgm4883> #startmeeting Ubuntu TV weekly meeting
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[18:05] <tgm4883> The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Meetings
[18:05] <tgm4883> Note that there is nothing on the agenda
[18:06] <CrestedNewt> is BobWeaver in? I don't see him
[18:06] <tgm4883> we pinged him, but I didn't see him around
[18:06] <tgm4883> Since there is nothing on the agenda, I'll open the floor to anyone that has anything to say and/or questions or comments
[18:07] <tgm4883> #topic Open Floor
[18:07] <mhall119> so, given the holidays since our last meeting, there probably isn't anything new to discuss
[18:07] <tgm4883> mhall119, my guess as well
[18:07] <CrestedNewt> Do we know the current status of development?
[18:07] <CrestedNewt> ie - where are we?
[18:08] <mhall119> except, well, omg! Phone!
[18:08] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, I'm not aware of the current status of the non-mythtv parts
[18:08] <CrestedNewt> Ubuntu Phone is to be discussed later :D
[18:08] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: I know bobweaver has been experimenting with different things on the old unity2d code
[18:08] <mhall119> I don't know if anything new has been done on the unity 3d port
[18:09] <CrestedNewt> OK, just so that I get this right .....
[18:09] <mhall119> tgm4883: how is the MythTV scope work going?
[18:09] <CrestedNewt> Bobweaver is working on the old 2D platform
[18:09] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: he's been working on both
[18:09] <CrestedNewt> and he is hoping to have a stable platform with which to move forwards?
[18:09] <mhall119> he's been porting to Unity 3d, but still using the 2d code for prototyping
[18:10] <tgm4883> The main scope is great. Playback of content works nicely and looks good
[18:10] <tgm4883> the guide data parts though....
[18:10] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: that's the goal, yes
[18:10] <CrestedNewt> mhall119 - ok that's good news
[18:10] <mhall119> tgm4883: the main scopes searches already recorded stuff?
[18:11] <tgm4883> Currently I'm seeing if upstream will add some stuff to the API so I don't have to do a query on each show just to get description
[18:11] <tgm4883> mhall119, yes, that part works great
[18:11] <mhall119> tgm4883: you can always just use the title in the search results, and only query for the description if they open it in a preview
[18:12] <tgm4883> I need to move the servicesapi.py file to it's own package though so I can separate the guide and playback scopes
[18:12] <tgm4883> mhall119, yea that is what I have it doing now, but then you can only search title/subtitle
[18:12] <mhall119> tgm4883: cool
[18:13] <tgm4883> But I'm not adding description back in unless I can get it to a reasonable run time
[18:13] <mhall119> tgm4883: maybe you can put a bit in the next blog post about your progress and how people can help you with it
[18:13] <tgm4883> #action tgm4883
[18:13] <meetingology> ACTION: tgm4883
[18:13] <mhall119> any screenshot of the TV UI, even the old 2d one, showing results from MythTV would cause some excitement too
[18:14] <tgm4883> yea I need to work with bobweaver to get a TV UI setup for that
[18:14] <tgm4883> or have him do a couple screenshots
[18:15] <mhall119> Any ideas on what we can do with the new phone & SDK to capitalize on some of that buzz for the TV?
[18:16]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[18:16] <tgm4883> I haven't looked at phone much
[18:16] <mhall119> it's pretty cool, and the SDK is something that people should use to write TV apps too
[18:17] <mhall119> I'll talk to bobweaver about maybe getting some screenshots of the example app running on the TV UI, see if it's worth talking about
[18:18] <tgm4883> it's QML, so bobweaver should be happy
[18:18] <CrestedNewt> OK, in the UK atm there is a push on http://www.youview.com/features/ and http://go.sky.com/vod/page/tvListing.do
[18:18] <mhall119> yeah, he's already been in #ubuntu-phone
[18:19] <CrestedNewt> the sky solution allows video on the move .... but it requires silverlight
[18:19] <mhall119> tgm4883: your guide scope, is that using MythTV as it's backend?
[18:20] <tgm4883> mhall119, yes
[18:20] <mhall119> and can MythTV use the sources CrestedNewt just mentioned?
[18:21] <tgm4883> mhall119, err, it's not like that
[18:21] <tgm4883> mhall119, so you can think of mythtv similar to how we're thinking about ubuntu tv (or vice versa). Mythtv has a backend and a frontend (in the case of Ubuntu TV, we're basically just making a UTV a frontend)
[18:22] <tgm4883> any online sources and such that mythtv could use, would be mythtv frontend plugins
[18:22] <tgm4883> which don't make sense here, we'd just make them unity scopes
[18:22] <tgm4883> unless i'm not understanding what these things are
[18:23] <mhall119> oh, ok, so tv guides aren't being stored in the backend?
[18:23] <CrestedNewt> both of the sites I posted are 'historical' VOD services.... I was just thinking about the tie in with ubuntu_phone
[18:23] <tgm4883> yes, the tv guide is stored in the backend, but this looks to be more than just a tv guide
[18:24] <mhall119> oh, ok
[18:24] <CrestedNewt> no probs - I just thought that I would clear that up :D
[18:24] <mhall119> I was mostly interested in just the tv guide data, if MythTV can support multiple sources, then we only need a single source to get it out of MythTV
[18:24] <mhall119> makes our job easier that way
[18:25] <tgm4883> mhall119, you should get guide data from the same place that you are scheduling recordings
[18:25] <tgm4883> so in this case, mythtv
[18:26] <tgm4883> mythtv supports schedules direct and XMLTV I think
[18:26] <mhall119> ok
[18:26] <tgm4883> well, and EPG
[18:26] <tgm4883> but that sucks in the US
[18:27] <tgm4883> so with mythtv, you can have multiple sources, and you might have a different set of guide data for each source (which is why I say tie the two together)
[18:28] <tgm4883> from the UTV POV, the only source if mythtv (and mythtv figures out all the other important stuff)
[18:29] <mhall119> sounds good to me
[18:29] <tgm4883> yea the more I look at youview, the more it sounds like it should be a scope
[18:30] <CrestedNewt> OK, blue sky stuff here for future discussion but I think that it needs to be noted somewhere..... Sky offer this planner http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/0 and you can then decide to record from this service as well as getting more programme information. The record function is only available if you are a Sky subscriber. DO NOTHING WITH THIS YET but views for later on would be good.
[18:31] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: where does that record it to? your local hardware, or something on their network?
[18:31] <CrestedNewt> sends a signal through satellite to your box which has a viewing card. These are linked to your username
[18:32] <mhall119> ah, ok
[18:32] <tgm4883> looks like there is a sky DVR box too
[18:32] <tgm4883> with storage
[18:33] <CrestedNewt> yes - the top of range box has 1080i output and a 1 TB HDD
[18:35] <mhall119> alright, any other topics to discuss?
[18:35] <tgm4883> I've got none
[18:35] <CrestedNewt> I have none - other than I need to get something to document :D
[18:36] <mhall119> alright, I'll try and get some information from Canonical's side about how the new Phone stuff might be impacting the TV, and vice-versa, to see how it all should fit together
[18:36] <mhall119> and we'll get with bobweaver when he's online for some screenshots and stuff
[18:36] <tgm4883> sounds good
[18:36] <CrestedNewt> mhall119 - good man!!
[18:36] <mhall119> alright, thanks guys!
[18:36] <tgm4883> #endmeeting
[18:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Jan  4 18:36:48 2013 UTC.
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