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| bkerensa | cjwatson: libvideo-frequencies-perl ;) | 07:07 |
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| cjwatson | bkerensa: que? | 11:30 |
| geser | Laney: do you know if we can sync haskell-conduit from experimental as haskell-network-conduit is in depwait on that version? | 11:41 |
| Laney | geser: no I don't know about that specifically I'm afraid | 11:43 |
| Laney | I had hoped to start the transition in earnest over the holidays but it turned out that I didn't have much time for that stuff | 11:43 |
| geser | ah, I once looked at it (if it builds) but it also needs a merge of haskell-devscripts | 11:47 |
| Laney | probably so | 11:47 |
| Laney | iulian: would you have any time to help on this? | 11:48 |
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| aboudreault | hey, does anyone know what's the error? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/127508146/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.libxml2_2.8.0%2Bdfsg1-5ubuntu2.2~lucid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 15:38 |
| aboudreault | The same package build properly in pbuilder. | 15:38 |
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| geser | did you pbuilder used the same debhelper package like it was used in the PPA (8.9.0ubuntu1~ppa1~lucid4 from the ubuntugis-unstable PPA) | 15:48 |
| aboudreault | guess not. the building machine is a latest. | 15:50 |
| aboudreault | geser, we try a override_dh_prep now.. | 15:50 |
| aboudreault | geser, oh, well... yes the debhelper is supposed to be the same since we build in the same distribution inside a pbuilder | 15:52 |
| geser | aboudreault: I asked because I noticed a "T" at the end of each dh call in your log (and I don't remember seeing this normally) | 15:54 |
| aboudreault | emm... that's right | 15:56 |
| aboudreault | /bin/rm: cannot remove `libtoolT': No such file or directory | 15:56 |
| aboudreault | strange.. will check this | 15:57 |
| aboudreault | geser, but there is no T at all when building with pbuilder lucid ... | 15:58 |
| geser | hmm, strange | 15:59 |
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| geser | aboudreault: dh $@ T (from your debian/rules) | 16:06 |
| geser | what does/should do the "T" do there? | 16:06 |
| aboudreault | good question. | 16:08 |
| aboudreault | will point it to my coworker. | 16:08 |
| geser | aboudreault: and the reason why it build in your pbuilder is the same why it build in your PPA for i386 and not amd64: pbuilder and the i386 use by default the "binary" target (build both binary-arch and binary-indep) while the amd64 buildd uses "binary-arch" | 16:14 |
| aboudreault | ah. I see. Thanks for the info | 16:14 |
| geser | you should be able to reproduce it with specifing "--binary-arch" to your pbuilder call | 16:14 |
| achiang | any pilots around? i'm poking about bug #1093511 | 17:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1093511 in remmina (Ubuntu) "please merge remmina 1.0.0-4 (main) from Debian testing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093511 | 17:46 |
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| TAsn | From #ubuntu: (who sent me here as MOTU is the maintainer of the relevant packages) | 19:13 |
| TAsn | Hey guys. What should I do to get a package off the ubuntu repos? I work on e17 and ubuntu has a 3 year old package in it's repos. This is very annoying as users think badly of e17 because of it (it was an early dev version). I would like that if possible this package will be removed altogether or upgraded to the stable release, but what should I do in order to achieve that? | 19:13 |
| TAsn | that and all the relevant supporting libs (evas, eina and etc) | 19:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, getting it upgraded in Debian might be where you need to start - afaict its being pulled form sid (aka "unstable") into the ubuntu repositories. | 19:16 |
| TAsn | it is upgraded in debian | 19:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | note I"m not a MOTU, i'm just going by what i see on the packages on here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e17 | 19:16 |
| TAsn | I mean | 19:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, not in unstable? | 19:16 |
| TAsn | getting upgraded | 19:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | probably post-freeze. | 19:17 |
| TAsn | the problem is old repos | 19:17 |
| TAsn | 12.04 and etc | 19:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | (i think debian's still under freeze) | 19:17 |
| TAsn | we want them removed | 19:17 |
| TAsn | TheLordOfTime, the link you provided is too old. | 19:17 |
| ScottK | TheLordOfTime: Itis. | 19:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, the link I provided is live data from launchpad | 19:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | it doesn't track Debian | 19:17 |
| TAsn | sure | 19:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | that's whats in the repos now, expand one of the packages you'll see its pulled in from sid. | 19:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK, MOTU? | 19:18 |
| TAsn | TheLordOfTime, and that's old | 19:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | (you're everywhere, hence me asking) | 19:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, you said that three times already | 19:18 |
| TAsn | and people using older ubuntu get older versions | 19:18 |
| TAsn | and we would like that removed | 19:18 |
| ScottK | TAsn: How about getting it updated? | 19:19 |
| ScottK | Wouldn't that be better? | 19:19 |
| TAsn | it won't be updated in old ubuntus, won't it? | 19:19 |
| TAsn | no features policy and etc | 19:20 |
| TAsn | no? | 19:20 |
| ScottK | No. It also won't be removed. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | We don't do post release removals. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | I can remove it from the development release, but that's all I can do. | 19:20 |
| TAsn | that's just frustrating | 19:20 |
| TAsn | ScottK, nah, that's alright, thanks. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | Once it's updated in the development release, we could backport the newer one. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | Then you could at least say "Oh, install the update in backports) | 19:21 |
| TAsn | yeah | 19:21 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK, it'd have to be upgraded in Sid, at least in experimental, no? | 19:21 |
| TheLordOfTime | and then sync'd to $latestdev | 19:21 |
| TheLordOfTime | ? | 19:21 |
| ScottK | TheLordOfTime: Or we do a direct upload. | 19:21 |
| TAsn | it's being updated in unstable atm iirc | 19:21 |
| TAsn | or maybe experimental | 19:21 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, not while debian's under freeze it likely won't be | 19:21 |
| ScottK | If it's being updated in Unstable/experimental, then we can sync that. | 19:22 |
| TAsn | ScottK, the thing is, that as I said, the current version is a very old development snapshot | 19:22 |
| TAsn | that is just broken | 19:22 |
| TAsn | we get a lot of users that install that | 19:22 |
| TAsn | instead from our ppa | 19:22 |
| TAsn | it's very frustrating | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 19:22 |
| TAsn | and because there's a package | 19:22 |
| TAsn | they think it's alright | 19:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, the nginx team has the same issue | 19:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | but we can't do a single thing about it | 19:22 |
| TAsn | as ubuntu/debian usually don't package dev snapshot | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Sure you can. | 19:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | so we say "screw it" and tell people to use the PPA when they stop in #nginx (we keep $latestdev synced with Debian as much as possible) | 19:23 |
| TAsn | so they don't even try the ppa | 19:23 |
| ScottK | You can get involved in Ubuntu development and make sure the stuff in the repos is up to date/working. | 19:23 |
| TAsn | they either complain in our support chan | 19:23 |
| TAsn | ScottK, I'm not an ubuntu user myself | 19:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK, i could, but CBA to repackage things when i'm busy fixing things :p | 19:23 |
| TAsn | I'm just sick of users bein mislead | 19:23 |
| TAsn | or more correctly | 19:23 |
| ScottK | TAsn: Sure. | 19:23 |
| TAsn | users misleading themselves. :) | 19:23 |
| ScottK | Is there someone on the e17 team that is? | 19:24 |
| TAsn | a user? | 19:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK, speaking of which, PPU rights, how often are those requests addressed/handled? | 19:24 |
| ScottK | An Ubunt person. | 19:24 |
| TAsn | Some lazy ones, I'm sure. | 19:24 |
| TAsn | yeah | 19:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | TAsn, upstream, as in devs/packagers i think is what ScottK meant. | 19:24 |
| TAsn | but the fact that I'm here | 19:24 |
| TAsn | and they are not | 19:24 |
| TAsn | means that they are too lazy too bother | 19:24 |
| ScottK | Right. | 19:24 |
| TAsn | I have a box with ubuntu 12.04 on it though | 19:25 |
| TAsn | somewhere | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Perhaps the person maintaining the PPA could get some sponsored uploads and the apply for per-package uploader rights for e17? | 19:25 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: PPU upload rights are process fortnightly at the Developer Membership Board meeting (2 applicants per meeting max) | 19:25 |
| TAsn | what does that even mean? I.e what should be done? | 19:25 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, thanks. | 19:26 |
| micahg | as for backports, I've been trying to keep up with the recent requests, I haven't dug into the backlog yet | 19:26 |
| ScottK | Whoever is doing the PPA would also prepare an upload for Ubuntu and then file a bug with a link to the .dsc and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors | 19:26 |
| TAsn | And what are those ubuntu-sponsors? | 19:26 |
| ScottK | It's a team of Ubuntu devs that review requests by non-developers for package uploads | 19:27 |
| TAsn | ScottK, and also, just to have it sorted in my head: what can be done with the old ubuntu versions? 10.04-13.04? I.e ones that ship the old version? | 19:27 |
| ScottK | They then also tend to be the ones who will advocate for someone being ready for direct upload rights since they've seen their work. | 19:27 |
| ScottK | 13.04 is the development version. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | We can still update that freely. | 19:28 |
| TAsn | Ah, cool. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | Once that's done, we can backport the new package to 10.04 - 12.10. | 19:28 |
| TAsn | ScottK, OK. Will ask in our mailing list for volunteers. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | So that users of those releases can install it from backports. | 19:28 |
| TAsn | Thanks a lot. | 19:28 |
| TAsn | ScottK, and there's no way to remove the old packages from the repos, right? | 19:29 |
| ScottK | That's correct. | 19:29 |
| TAsn | Thank you. | 19:29 |
| TAsn | ScottK, talked to someone, will be done soon. Thanks a lot. | 19:54 |
| TAsn | later | 19:54 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 19:54 |
| jbicha | here's a weird problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697158 | 20:47 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 697158 in libsnappy1.0.3-java "libsnappy1.0.3-java: Missing jar due to broken debian/links" [Grave,Open] | 20:47 |
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