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| clem | Hi guys I would like to add a software to edubuntu that lets kids learn concepts of progamming | 16:37 |
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| alkisg | Which software? | 16:38 |
| clem | well it is one we are working on | 16:38 |
| clem | it is not finished just jet | 16:38 |
| clem | in the form I want | 16:38 |
| clem | alkisg | 16:39 |
| alkisg | OK, so...? | 16:39 |
| clem | are you asking me what the approach will be ? | 16:39 |
| alkisg | No I'm asking you which software it is, what do you mean "add it to edubuntu" etc... | 16:39 |
| clem | ok it is a visual progamming language | 16:39 |
| clem | here is a link | 16:40 |
| alkisg | It's not me that will add it to edubuntu, I'm just asking the basic staff for the others to see when they're available | 16:40 |
| clem | http://www.ixp.com/is-uml-a-programming-language.jsp#isumlaprogramminglanguage | 16:40 |
| clem | under the banner | 16:40 |
| clem | there is the step overview | 16:41 |
| clem | those steps the students will connect to diagrams | 16:41 |
| clem | learning data flow logic flow algorithms and things like transactions | 16:42 |
| clem | etc. | 16:42 |
| clem | by add to eduubuntu | 16:42 |
| clem | I would like to make the composer part of the edubuntu distribution | 16:42 |
| alkisg | Do you mean preinstalled, or available at the repositories? | 16:43 |
| alkisg | Is it open source software? Is it online or can it be run locally? | 16:43 |
| clem | once it has been finished in respect to the learning experience | 16:43 |
| clem | well the composer is a stand alone software | 16:44 |
| clem | the runtime environment on the server | 16:44 |
| clem | would be a free service from us | 16:44 |
| clem | and part of it I can make open source | 16:45 |
| clem | I want to keep the server as a service to make the user experience as smooth as possible | 16:46 |
| clem | not to have to set up the server | 16:46 |
| clem | too | 16:46 |
| clem | I see that programming is introduces in my country | 16:46 |
| clem | Austria | 16:46 |
| clem | in India | 16:46 |
| clem | and the States | 16:46 |
| clem | those are the countries I have experience with | 16:47 |
| clem | the concepts that I want to address are fundamental | 16:47 |
| alkisg | The best way to include an open source program (even if it's the client part only) to edubuntu is to make it available in debian | 16:47 |
| clem | and fuether the understanding at early age | 16:47 |
| alkisg | There's some packaging involved there, i.e. to make your software in a .deb form | 16:48 |
| clem | debian | 16:48 |
| clem | ah | 16:48 |
| clem | ok | 16:48 |
| clem | and then | 16:48 |
| alkisg | (ed)ubuntu most of their software from debian | 16:48 |
| clem | sorry for this simple question | 16:48 |
| alkisg | *get | 16:48 |
| clem | and then what is next ? | 16:48 |
| alkisg | Then it'll be available in all *buntu flavors with a simple apt-get install program | 16:49 |
| clem | and how do I get it on the disk | 16:49 |
| clem | apt-get is remote install | 16:49 |
| clem | can I get it in the distribution ? | 16:50 |
| alkisg | Once it's available in the ubuntu repositories, you can ask the edubuntu team to see if they want to consider having it preinstalled on the disk | 16:50 |
| clem | ah | 16:50 |
| clem | ok and | 16:50 |
| alkisg | But I'm not sure they'll like the part that it needs a proprietary server... | 16:50 |
| clem | could I ask the team to give us feed back even befor we make this request | 16:50 |
| clem | to improve the software for that purpuse | 16:50 |
| clem | well | 16:51 |
| clem | hm | 16:51 |
| alkisg | Sure... you can either ask here in weekdays, or in edubuntu-users ML | 16:51 |
| alkisg | Or even with the contact form in edubuntu.org | 16:51 |
| clem | the server is not so easy to get going | 16:51 |
| clem | Ah ok | 16:51 |
| clem | so I will be back and edubuntu-users ML | 16:52 |
| clem | thanks | 16:52 |
| clem | well I understand that the server might not be liked | 16:52 |
| alkisg | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users | 16:52 |
| alkisg | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | 16:52 |
| clem | but I try to make the user experience as easy as using a web page | 16:53 |
| alkisg | Usually the programs that _most_ people will use, get preinstalled in the DVDs | 16:53 |
| clem | and that needs a high level of automating things | 16:53 |
| alkisg | And usually they need to be open source, e.g. the nvidia proprietary drivers are not preinstalled... | 16:53 |
| clem | from diagram to code in java with all the features is not just as easy as using a web page | 16:54 |
| clem | that is | 16:54 |
| clem | ah I see | 16:54 |
| alkisg | I don't think that anyone will object, if you keep the server side code open as well, and just offer it as a free service too | 16:54 |
| clem | open source | 16:54 |
| clem | ok | 16:54 |
| clem | hm | 16:54 |
| clem | the server side code has to be open too ? | 16:55 |
| alkisg | Nothing "has" to be done... it's all up to you | 16:55 |
| clem | ah ok | 16:55 |
| clem | well I will try | 16:55 |
| alkisg | But usually people support more truly FLOSS approaches | 16:55 |
| clem | I am honestly interested in supporting the edu effort | 16:56 |
| clem | I understand | 16:57 |
| clem | Thanks I ll be back | 16:57 |
| clem | greatings from Austria | 16:57 |
| alkisg | You're welcome | 16:57 |
| alkisg | Greetings from Greece :) | 16:57 |
| clem | or is that too personal | 16:58 |
| clem | where are you ? | 16:58 |
| alkisg | Where in Greece? Ioannina... why? | 16:58 |
| clem | I know where greece is :) | 16:58 |
| clem | Ah | 16:59 |
| clem | I like the to imagine where the other person is that I am talking to | 16:59 |
| clem | I am about 20 km south of Vienna | 16:59 |
| clem | have a nice evening | 16:59 |
| alkisg | I've been in wiener neustadt a few years ago | 17:00 |
| alkisg | Nice places you have there | 17:00 |
| alkisg | Good evening to you too | 17:00 |
| clem | that is not too far away | 17:01 |
| clem | I am in Maria Enzersdorf | 17:01 |
| clem | so I will come back and make the client available for tests | 17:01 |
| clem | I am looking forward to the feedback | 17:01 |
| clem | ah | 17:02 |
| clem | dam | 17:02 |
| clem | the client is in java | 17:02 |
| clem | hm | 17:02 |
| clem | does that matter | 17:02 |
| clem | for the process | 17:02 |
| clem | it is the same right | 17:02 |
| alkisg | Not really | 17:02 |
| alkisg | Yeah it's about the same | 17:02 |
| clem | k | 17:02 |
| clem | technically it is there might be a rile or so | 17:03 |
| clem | rule or so | 17:03 |
| clem | but there is not | 17:03 |
| clem | very well | 17:03 |
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