=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:37] Hi guys I would like to add a software to edubuntu that lets kids learn concepts of progamming [16:38] Which software? [16:38] well it is one we are working on [16:38] it is not finished just jet [16:38] in the form I want [16:39] alkisg [16:39] OK, so...? [16:39] are you asking me what the approach will be ? [16:39] No I'm asking you which software it is, what do you mean "add it to edubuntu" etc... [16:39] ok it is a visual progamming language [16:40] here is a link [16:40] It's not me that will add it to edubuntu, I'm just asking the basic staff for the others to see when they're available [16:40] http://www.ixp.com/is-uml-a-programming-language.jsp#isumlaprogramminglanguage [16:40] under the banner [16:41] there is the step overview [16:41] those steps the students will connect to diagrams [16:42] learning data flow logic flow algorithms and things like transactions [16:42] etc. [16:42] by add to eduubuntu [16:42] I would like to make the composer part of the edubuntu distribution [16:43] Do you mean preinstalled, or available at the repositories? [16:43] Is it open source software? Is it online or can it be run locally? [16:43] once it has been finished in respect to the learning experience [16:44] well the composer is a stand alone software [16:44] the runtime environment on the server [16:44] would be a free service from us [16:45] and part of it I can make open source [16:46] I want to keep the server as a service to make the user experience as smooth as possible [16:46] not to have to set up the server [16:46] too [16:46] I see that programming is introduces in my country [16:46] Austria [16:46] in India [16:46] and the States [16:47] those are the countries I have experience with [16:47] the concepts that I want to address are fundamental [16:47] The best way to include an open source program (even if it's the client part only) to edubuntu is to make it available in debian [16:47] and fuether the understanding at early age [16:48] There's some packaging involved there, i.e. to make your software in a .deb form [16:48] debian [16:48] ah [16:48] ok [16:48] and then [16:48] (ed)ubuntu most of their software from debian [16:48] sorry for this simple question [16:48] *get [16:48] and then what is next ? [16:49] Then it'll be available in all *buntu flavors with a simple apt-get install program [16:49] and how do I get it on the disk [16:49] apt-get is remote install [16:50] can I get it in the distribution ? [16:50] Once it's available in the ubuntu repositories, you can ask the edubuntu team to see if they want to consider having it preinstalled on the disk [16:50] ah [16:50] ok and [16:50] But I'm not sure they'll like the part that it needs a proprietary server... [16:50] could I ask the team to give us feed back even befor we make this request [16:50] to improve the software for that purpuse [16:51] well [16:51] hm [16:51] Sure... you can either ask here in weekdays, or in edubuntu-users ML [16:51] Or even with the contact form in edubuntu.org [16:51] the server is not so easy to get going [16:51] Ah ok [16:52] so I will be back and edubuntu-users ML [16:52] thanks [16:52] well I understand that the server might not be liked [16:52] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users [16:52] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [16:53] but I try to make the user experience as easy as using a web page [16:53] Usually the programs that _most_ people will use, get preinstalled in the DVDs [16:53] and that needs a high level of automating things [16:53] And usually they need to be open source, e.g. the nvidia proprietary drivers are not preinstalled... [16:54] from diagram to code in java with all the features is not just as easy as using a web page [16:54] that is [16:54] ah I see [16:54] I don't think that anyone will object, if you keep the server side code open as well, and just offer it as a free service too [16:54] open source [16:54] ok [16:54] hm [16:55] the server side code has to be open too ? [16:55] Nothing "has" to be done... it's all up to you [16:55] ah ok [16:55] well I will try [16:55] But usually people support more truly FLOSS approaches [16:56] I am honestly interested in supporting the edu effort [16:57] I understand [16:57] Thanks I ll be back [16:57] greatings from Austria [16:57] You're welcome [16:57] Greetings from Greece :) [16:58] or is that too personal [16:58] where are you ? [16:58] Where in Greece? Ioannina... why? [16:58] I know where greece is :) [16:59] Ah [16:59] I like the to imagine where the other person is that I am talking to [16:59] I am about 20 km south of Vienna [16:59] have a nice evening [17:00] I've been in wiener neustadt a few years ago [17:00] Nice places you have there [17:00] Good evening to you too [17:01] that is not too far away [17:01] I am in Maria Enzersdorf [17:01] so I will come back and make the client available for tests [17:01] I am looking forward to the feedback [17:02] ah [17:02] dam [17:02] the client is in java [17:02] hm [17:02] does that matter [17:02] for the process [17:02] it is the same right [17:02] Not really [17:02] Yeah it's about the same [17:02] k [17:03] technically it is there might be a rile or so [17:03] rule or so [17:03] but there is not [17:03] very well