[03:28] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: what were you asking about removals before?
[08:43] <micahg> anyone available to review a python mutliarch patcg?
[09:00] <micahg> vibhav: would you mind preparing a merge  for java-package (or I can do it if you like), I think it'll fix Bug #1096546
[09:00] <micahg> vibhav: from experimental I mean
[14:50] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, jtaylor, sorry ended up out of the home all day, and part of this i'll have to follow up with SpamapS about, but what's with replacing the php5-imap, php5-mcrypt, etc. with versions in Universe, which are actually *behind* the normal php5 package in raring?
[14:50] <TheLordOfTime> makes backporting (even in PPAs for special-use cases on one of my servers) such packages that much harder
[14:53] <TheLordOfTime> as well, the modules that are in universe replacing the 5.4.9 php5-built ones are built against 5.4.6 (if their version numbers can be trusted)
[14:55] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, as for "removals", the only thing i'm still pretty adamant about getting dropped from the repos is 'supybot' which is not updated, but we've already discussed that before that a lot of people use it, including the ubuntu bots team.
[16:51] <TheLordOfTime> debdiff prepping - two questions: (1) packaging version changing for updates is outlined where?  and (2) do you prefer that debdiffs include a changelog entry increasing the revision number.
[16:57] <vibhav> micahg: there?
[16:57] <vibhav> micahg: Sorry for responding late, I will try to do that
[17:22] <vibhav> micahg: Sorry, I cant prepare a merge ATM (No time, studies)
[17:57] <micahg> vibhav: do you mind if I do it then?
[17:58] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: any chance of getting it updated in Debian?  we can surely backport it
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[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, only if we drop it in Raring from universe, and have SpamapS undo his revisions allowing php5-mcrypt to build from php5 source
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> which is how it was in quantal
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> or at the very least, Precise
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> or do you mean supybot?
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> (if you mean supybot, i've heard "rumors" it'll be updated in Debian)
[21:30] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: hrm?  I was referring to supybot
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> (but only rumors)
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, we had a 30 minute discussion about 2 months ago about supybot
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> i may still be saying it should be removed, but i'm not pushing that
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> i'm more concerned about php5
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> which is why i pinged jtaylor yesterday
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, consider supybot a "non-issue"
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> i wasn't the one here pushing for a package removal yesterday, TAsn was
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> for already-released things, which AIUI is not possiblew
[21:31] <jtaylor> TheLordOfTime: updating the php things should be trivial
[21:32] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, you're the last commit on php-mcrypt source package, but mind me asking *why* it was placed in universe and  dropped from the php5 source?
[21:32] <jtaylor> some main reason
[21:32] <jtaylor> I forgot it again
[21:33] <jtaylor> I don't care about php, did the update because it was required for security and ftbfs
[21:33] <micahg> libmcrypt is in universe
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, php5 is in main, and previously built php5-mcrypt, is the reason it was manually separated from php5 because the underlying library is in universe?
[21:34] <jtaylor> I think because they are plugins not officially supported by pgp
[21:34] <jtaylor> php
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, OK, then i am safe in that if the php-mcrypt package says '5.4.6-something' then its built from 5.4.6's code base?
[21:35] <jtaylor> yes
[21:35] <jtaylor> it should be in README.source how to update them
[21:35] <jtaylor> I'd wait until feature freeze
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, is the universe package released under the same license as php5?
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> (i.e. can i take the code, update it, fork it, rebuild it to the  needs with changes,  etc. in a PPA)
[21:38] <jtaylor> probably I think its in the same tarball
[21:40] <micahg> if it's all one shared tarball, maybe we should make it php5-universe and be done with it
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, that'd imply you'd have to incorporate php5-imap as well
[21:40] <jtaylor> or wait until the reorg ;)
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> which is in the same boat as php5-mcrypt
[21:41] <micahg> like I said, if it's in the same upstream tarball, let's make it one source
[21:41] <micahg> like fftw3, boost, libav...
[21:42] <jtaylor> that would be good
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> last i checked the code's in php5 upstream, wouldn't making that build a universe package imply that the entirety of php5 would become universe?
[21:43] <jtaylor> but I'm not going to do it, I last used php ~10 years ago
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> or am i misinterpreting the statement you made, micahg?
[21:43] <jtaylor> no, you just duplicate the source
[21:43] <jtaylor> one for main which builds php
[21:43] <jtaylor> the other for universe which builts the exxtensions
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> ahhh, i see.
[21:43] <jtaylor> see e.g. fftw and fftw-mpi both the same source
[21:44] <jtaylor> just build different things
[21:55] <micahg> jtaylor: can you look at a python multiarch patch for me?
[22:00] <jtaylor> sure
[22:01] <micahg> jtaylor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1504567/
[22:04] <jtaylor> looks fine
[22:05] <micahg> thanks, I"m still new at this python multiarch stuff
[22:07] <jtaylor> thats another option: https://github.com/cython/cython/pull/158/files
[22:08] <micahg> jtaylor: right, the wiki suggests that when get_python_inc is used