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stuartm | I should be able to upgrade to mythbuntu (ubuntu) 12.04 via the CD? | 16:38 |
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tgm4883 | hmm | 16:39 |
tgm4883 | stuartm, I want to say yes, but I think there may have been a serious issue with that | 16:39 |
stuartm | can't do an online upgrade because it requires too much space (much more than previous upgrades) | 16:39 |
tgm4883 | stuartm, where are your recordings stored? IIRC, the issue is that it wiped /var | 16:40 |
stuartm | not in /var :) | 16:40 |
tgm4883 | then IIRC it should work. I think that was the only issue | 16:40 |
stuartm | ok thanks | 16:41 |
tgm4883 | stuartm, hold up | 16:50 |
tgm4883 | !bug 992241 | 16:50 |
Zinn | Bug 992241 in mythbuntu "Upgrading using the live cd wipes /var/lib/mythtv/*" [Critical, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/992241 | 16:50 |
tgm4883 | That fix should be in 12.04.1 | 16:51 |
tgm4883 | it's not in the 12.04 release (although you probably have the 12.04.1 ISO if you downloaded it from the website | 16:51 |
tgm4883 | after aug 23 | 16:52 |
stuartm | tgm4883: thanks | 18:34 |
Igramul | Hi, I'm trying to get my remote to work. irw output looks find, I ran mythbuntu-lirc-generate, the config looks fine. | 18:55 |
Igramul | But the remote is not working. Any ideas how to proceed? | 18:55 |
Igramul | found it: it was a wrong lircd-socket configured in mythtv | 20:35 |
whyzzyrd | evening. Is there a howto to build a diskless slave backend and front end anywhere? | 21:38 |
whyzzyrd | the old docs for ltsp (--mythbuntu etc) don't appear to work any longer | 21:38 |
rhpot1991 | whyzzyrd: as far as I'm aware those docs are considerably out of date | 21:39 |
whyzzyrd | ah, but so was my previously working system.. :) | 21:39 |
rhpot1991 | IMO there is no reason to do diskless anymore, buy a $5 usb drive and be done with it | 21:39 |
whyzzyrd | I wanted to bump the kernel, but b0rked the whole contraption, so wanted to basically start again | 21:40 |
whyzzyrd | I suppose you have a point, but I've been doing diskless for some time, as it's less likely to be screwed up by the kids | 21:41 |
whyzzyrd | ironically, it was me that screwed it up though | 21:41 |
sabhain | whyzzrd you had a diskless slave backend?? | 21:44 |
whyzzyrd | aye | 21:44 |
whyzzyrd | nfs back into the one with the disks | 21:45 |
tgm4883 | Is there much of a chance that kinds would mess up a backend system? | 21:45 |
sabhain | I've been running 3 diskless frontends for several years, and just this past weekend started to contemplate adding a slave backend to my setup. | 21:45 |
sabhain | previous to using diskless server, I used to keep the / drive for all the front ends on the core, and get to them via an NFS boot | 21:45 |
sabhain | using /boot on a cflash drive | 21:46 |
sabhain | seems to me that grub2 killed any chance of that working again. | 21:46 |
whyzzyrd | I suppose if I explain it'd be easier. I had one "master" box, with 3T of disk in and one DVB-S Tuner. I also had a pair of diskless frontends. I wanted a pair of DVB-T tuners, and the frontends had slots (and proximate antenna cables).. | 21:46 |
whyzzyrd | so both my diskless frontends also became slave backends | 21:47 |
sabhain | did you add the backend components/setup from within the booted front end, or was there a way to do it through chroot? | 21:47 |
whyzzyrd | Next I bought a DVB-S2 card ... and needed a newer kernel than I had. So, I tried a rebuild. | 21:47 |
whyzzyrd | added it from within the booted front ned | 21:47 |
whyzzyrd | into the overlay fs | 21:47 |
sabhain | wow! that's really cool. | 21:48 |
whyzzyrd | well, it was when it worked. | 21:49 |
sabhain | is diskless-server still a real package? | 21:49 |
whyzzyrd | Because the frontends had the same DVB-T cards in, the remote controls were even interchangeable | 21:49 |
whyzzyrd | in any case, I'd actually like to simply rebuild the mythbuntu-diskless boot images, and mount my old overlay onto the top of it. | 21:50 |
sabhain | which version? | 21:50 |
whyzzyrd | they were 11.x IIRC | 21:50 |
sabhain | and now, you're trying for 12.04? | 21:51 |
whyzzyrd | I need a 3.2 series kernel for the DVB-S2 card to be stable apparently | 21:51 |
sabhain | oof .. just checked my folder of resources for building the images, and the first 2 links are non-existant. Wish I had webclipped those. | 21:52 |
whyzzyrd | it appears that it's all changed, and maybe not for the better as far as it 'just work'ing is concerned | 21:54 |
sabhain | I last did it on 10.04 LTS. Last night I built a test system from spare parts (not one of my production units). I think perhaps I'm going to have to prove I can do it on the offline system first. | 21:56 |
sabhain | for me the hardest part was always getting the PXE arguments working and passed correctly by my router to the front ends | 21:57 |
sabhain | you're having challenges actually building the ltsp? | 21:57 |
whyzzyrd | managed to get one of my ancient images to go, but I'd rather get a newer kernel into it | 21:57 |
whyzzyrd | it's building a mythbuntu LTSP that appears to be a problem now. | 21:57 |
whyzzyrd | there's no longer the "just build a mythbuntu" image option | 22:00 |
sabhain | whyzzyrd have you seen this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967811 | 22:01 |
whyzzyrd | yeah, but that'll get me building a whole new way of it working, rather than an image that works the old way :) | 22:03 |
sabhain | agree .. this is not a good read. I'm glad I jumped in here when I did. | 22:04 |
sabhain | would have waded into a disaster without know it! | 22:04 |
whyzzyrd | this sort of thing really dents the wife acceptance factor :) | 22:05 |
sabhain | you're not kidding. And my kids don't know anything different. They can't understand why they can't go to their friends' house and just cue up a movie. | 22:06 |
* sabhain longs for the days of laga | 22:06 | |
whyzzyrd | does rather look like I'll have to bite the bullet and do iot properly though | 22:06 |
sabhain | ?properly? .. Properly was with ltsp where you could update all the front ends at once. | 22:07 |
sabhain | ... of course once working, you NEVER update anything, lol. | 22:07 |
whyzzyrd | I did upgrade from 10 to 11 without great fanfare IIRC | 22:08 |
sabhain | I went from 8.04 to 10.04 and it was smooth. | 22:09 |
sabhain | now I think I want to be on 12.04 for some of the new netvision stuff and better vdpau with the video cards | 22:09 |
whyzzyrd | my front end's an atom, so no vpdau, but I've only got SD | 22:13 |
sabhain | seems like a few people have gotten the images to build out there, but the overlay changes don't stick for some reason. | 22:16 |
whyzzyrd | indeed, which is a pain | 22:17 |
whyzzyrd | though as rhpot1991 noted earlier, putting a $5 USB key in the back and booting off that does seem like a reasonably good option | 22:19 |
whyzzyrd | it's at least 100% understandable .. | 22:20 |
sabhain | .. yep .. pendulum swings I guess. About 4 years ago here someone asked why I was messing around with NFS boot an not using diskless. | 22:27 |
sabhain | would minimyth work with a mythbuntu backend? | 22:30 |
whyzzyrd | can't see why it wouldn't | 22:32 |
whyzzyrd | uncharacteristically, given it took me so long to make all this fly in the first place, I actually took notes, and backups of the important bits ... | 22:32 |
sabhain | whyzzrd: this may give me some hope: http://www.mentby.com/Group/mythtv-users/best-optionshowto-for-diskless-frontends.html | 22:42 |
dkeith | hi | 22:50 |
dkeith | nm | 22:50 |
whyzzyrd | sabhain, that's a reasonably interesting read. | 22:52 |
whyzzyrd | If I find some time, I'll bring some more old junk home and build a test setup in my garage | 22:52 |
sabhain | I'll keep popping in here to see how it goes. I have my "new-to-me" second hand HD-PVR to play with first, so it might be the weekend before I move on updating LTSP & my Core. | 22:53 |
whyzzyrd | it'll be longer away than that for me I think :) | 22:54 |
whyzzyrd | I've got it sortaworkign | 22:54 |
whyzzyrd | with an old image I kept for a rainy day, and a 3.0 kernel | 22:54 |
sabhain | I'm game to try the fat-client thing being discussed here to get over the missing --mythbuntu argument. But I probably won't spend more than a few sessions trying to get the NFS/Overlay thing working. | 22:56 |
sabhain | Could be USB drives for me after that. I'm certain it'll be slower than the LAN though. | 22:56 |
whyzzyrd | without the NFS/Overlay, it's pretty much useless to me.. | 22:56 |
whyzzyrd | USB drives will be slower than GE lan .. | 22:56 |
sabhain | and me too .. I have different remotes and varying hardware everywhere. | 22:57 |
whyzzyrd | I've tried to keep mine sane, but given it's mostly out of our dumpster pile at work :) | 22:57 |
whyzzyrd | the TV cards, of course, weren't though ... | 22:58 |
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