=== chiluk_away is now known as chiluk [16:38] I should be able to upgrade to mythbuntu (ubuntu) 12.04 via the CD? [16:39] hmm [16:39] stuartm, I want to say yes, but I think there may have been a serious issue with that [16:39] can't do an online upgrade because it requires too much space (much more than previous upgrades) [16:40] stuartm, where are your recordings stored? IIRC, the issue is that it wiped /var [16:40] not in /var :) [16:40] then IIRC it should work. I think that was the only issue [16:41] ok thanks [16:50] stuartm, hold up [16:50] !bug 992241 [16:50] Bug 992241 in mythbuntu "Upgrading using the live cd wipes /var/lib/mythtv/*" [Critical, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/992241 [16:51] That fix should be in 12.04.1 [16:51] it's not in the 12.04 release (although you probably have the 12.04.1 ISO if you downloaded it from the website [16:52] after aug 23 [18:34] tgm4883: thanks [18:55] Hi, I'm trying to get my remote to work. irw output looks find, I ran mythbuntu-lirc-generate, the config looks fine. [18:55] But the remote is not working. Any ideas how to proceed? [20:35] found it: it was a wrong lircd-socket configured in mythtv [21:38] evening. Is there a howto to build a diskless slave backend and front end anywhere? [21:38] the old docs for ltsp (--mythbuntu etc) don't appear to work any longer [21:39] whyzzyrd: as far as I'm aware those docs are considerably out of date [21:39] ah, but so was my previously working system.. :) [21:39] IMO there is no reason to do diskless anymore, buy a $5 usb drive and be done with it [21:40] I wanted to bump the kernel, but b0rked the whole contraption, so wanted to basically start again [21:41] I suppose you have a point, but I've been doing diskless for some time, as it's less likely to be screwed up by the kids [21:41] ironically, it was me that screwed it up though [21:44] whyzzrd you had a diskless slave backend?? [21:44] aye [21:45] nfs back into the one with the disks [21:45] Is there much of a chance that kinds would mess up a backend system? [21:45] I've been running 3 diskless frontends for several years, and just this past weekend started to contemplate adding a slave backend to my setup. [21:45] previous to using diskless server, I used to keep the / drive for all the front ends on the core, and get to them via an NFS boot [21:46] using /boot on a cflash drive [21:46] seems to me that grub2 killed any chance of that working again. [21:46] I suppose if I explain it'd be easier. I had one "master" box, with 3T of disk in and one DVB-S Tuner. I also had a pair of diskless frontends. I wanted a pair of DVB-T tuners, and the frontends had slots (and proximate antenna cables).. [21:47] so both my diskless frontends also became slave backends [21:47] did you add the backend components/setup from within the booted front end, or was there a way to do it through chroot? [21:47] Next I bought a DVB-S2 card ... and needed a newer kernel than I had. So, I tried a rebuild. [21:47] added it from within the booted front ned [21:47] into the overlay fs [21:48] wow! that's really cool. [21:49] well, it was when it worked. [21:49] is diskless-server still a real package? [21:49] Because the frontends had the same DVB-T cards in, the remote controls were even interchangeable [21:50] in any case, I'd actually like to simply rebuild the mythbuntu-diskless boot images, and mount my old overlay onto the top of it. [21:50] which version? [21:50] they were 11.x IIRC [21:51] and now, you're trying for 12.04? [21:51] I need a 3.2 series kernel for the DVB-S2 card to be stable apparently [21:52] oof .. just checked my folder of resources for building the images, and the first 2 links are non-existant. Wish I had webclipped those. [21:54] it appears that it's all changed, and maybe not for the better as far as it 'just work'ing is concerned [21:56] I last did it on 10.04 LTS. Last night I built a test system from spare parts (not one of my production units). I think perhaps I'm going to have to prove I can do it on the offline system first. [21:57] for me the hardest part was always getting the PXE arguments working and passed correctly by my router to the front ends [21:57] you're having challenges actually building the ltsp? [21:57] managed to get one of my ancient images to go, but I'd rather get a newer kernel into it [21:57] it's building a mythbuntu LTSP that appears to be a problem now. [22:00] there's no longer the "just build a mythbuntu" image option [22:01] whyzzyrd have you seen this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967811 [22:03] yeah, but that'll get me building a whole new way of it working, rather than an image that works the old way :) [22:04] agree .. this is not a good read. I'm glad I jumped in here when I did. [22:04] would have waded into a disaster without know it! [22:05] this sort of thing really dents the wife acceptance factor :) [22:06] you're not kidding. And my kids don't know anything different. They can't understand why they can't go to their friends' house and just cue up a movie. [22:06] * sabhain longs for the days of laga [22:06] does rather look like I'll have to bite the bullet and do iot properly though [22:07] ?properly? .. Properly was with ltsp where you could update all the front ends at once. [22:07] ... of course once working, you NEVER update anything, lol. [22:08] I did upgrade from 10 to 11 without great fanfare IIRC [22:09] I went from 8.04 to 10.04 and it was smooth. [22:09] now I think I want to be on 12.04 for some of the new netvision stuff and better vdpau with the video cards [22:13] my front end's an atom, so no vpdau, but I've only got SD [22:16] seems like a few people have gotten the images to build out there, but the overlay changes don't stick for some reason. [22:17] indeed, which is a pain [22:19] though as rhpot1991 noted earlier, putting a $5 USB key in the back and booting off that does seem like a reasonably good option [22:20] it's at least 100% understandable .. [22:27] .. yep .. pendulum swings I guess. About 4 years ago here someone asked why I was messing around with NFS boot an not using diskless. [22:30] would minimyth work with a mythbuntu backend? [22:32] can't see why it wouldn't [22:32] uncharacteristically, given it took me so long to make all this fly in the first place, I actually took notes, and backups of the important bits ... [22:42] whyzzrd: this may give me some hope: http://www.mentby.com/Group/mythtv-users/best-optionshowto-for-diskless-frontends.html [22:50] hi [22:50] nm [22:52] sabhain, that's a reasonably interesting read. [22:52] If I find some time, I'll bring some more old junk home and build a test setup in my garage [22:53] I'll keep popping in here to see how it goes. I have my "new-to-me" second hand HD-PVR to play with first, so it might be the weekend before I move on updating LTSP & my Core. [22:54] it'll be longer away than that for me I think :) [22:54] I've got it sortaworkign [22:54] with an old image I kept for a rainy day, and a 3.0 kernel [22:56] I'm game to try the fat-client thing being discussed here to get over the missing --mythbuntu argument. But I probably won't spend more than a few sessions trying to get the NFS/Overlay thing working. [22:56] Could be USB drives for me after that. I'm certain it'll be slower than the LAN though. [22:56] without the NFS/Overlay, it's pretty much useless to me.. [22:56] USB drives will be slower than GE lan .. [22:57] and me too .. I have different remotes and varying hardware everywhere. [22:57] I've tried to keep mine sane, but given it's mostly out of our dumpster pile at work :) [22:58] the TV cards, of course, weren't though ...