| mhall119 | daker: did I miss anything interesting on that lice CNet feed? | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| mhall119 | oh lord | 00:17 |
| mhall119 | live video | 00:17 |
| mhall119 | not lice | 00:17 |
| mhall119 | :( | 00:17 |
| daker | mhall119: no idea :) | 00:48 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/AppPromotion | 00:59 |
| bkerensa | says Jono is working on Ubuntu Button for FF and I was discussing it with one of the people at Mozilla who uses Ubuntu and works on the Team that would approve it | 00:59 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: ah, great, I think the problem before was that we weren't closely following their release cycle, but we are now | 01:01 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: So I think it goes a little further than that :) | 01:01 |
| * bkerensa needs to find the bug he has open in Bugzilla | 01:01 | |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: is there still some concern that they have? | 01:03 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: So it appears the issue would be that its a lot of work :) | 01:05 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: I have a bug ID if you would like to comment on it | 01:05 |
| mhall119 | sure | 01:06 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: <ckoehler> bkerensa I don't think it makes sense to do the work required to make that happen | 01:10 |
| bkerensa | <ckoehler> our download pages are very fragile | 01:10 |
| bkerensa | <ckoehler> ubuntu users will already have firefox | 01:10 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: but the bug idea is here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763007 | 01:10 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 763007 in General "Firefox.com lacks "Download for Ubuntu" button but offers Generic Linux Download" [Enhancement,New] | 01:10 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: you'd want to confirm, but I don't think Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or other flavors and derivatives come with Firefox by default | 01:20 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Yeah but this is a Ubuntu button not for other projects right? | 01:21 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: the button works on any Ubuntu flavor or derivative that uses our archives | 01:22 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: I see | 01:22 |
| mhall119 | it points to apps.ubuntu.com, which lists things in the archives | 01:23 |
| mhall119 | so technically the button works for any OS, it just takes you to a page about the app with screenshots, rating and reviews, and a download button | 01:23 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: the localization and detection issue I think it what the blocker would be | 01:25 |
| mhall119 | what's the issue? | 01:26 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Getting people to localize the content and sorting how to detect Ubuntu users from other Linux users | 01:27 |
| bkerensa | we cannot blanket offer the Ubuntu button to Redhat or Fedora users | 01:27 |
| bkerensa | Firefox does not have a header right now that separates it from Fedora or other Distros | 01:27 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: oh it looks like it was actually re-added | 01:28 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: but I'm not sure that Chrome or Chromium or browsers offered by Xubuntu/Lubuntu/Kubuntu have the Ubuntu field in the UA string | 01:29 |
| bkerensa | so we would only be presenting this button to Ubuntu users that already have Firefox? | 01:29 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: So Chrome/Chromium present "(X11; Linux xARCH)" where FF does "(X11; Ubuntu; Linux; rv VERSION xARCH)" | 01:32 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: why can't you offer a page with Ubuntu *and* Fedora buttons | 01:33 |
| mhall119 | ? | 01:33 |
| mhall119 | one page, multiple buttons? | 01:34 |
| mhall119 | or multiple buttons on a side-bar | 01:34 |
| mhall119 | or something | 01:34 |
| bkerensa | thats where the work comes in | 01:34 |
| mhall119 | anybody that provides Firefox packages themselves and provides you a button | 01:34 |
| bkerensa | and then we would have to localize | 01:35 |
| bkerensa | we would also have to localize the ubuntu button since we offer the website in every language under the sun | 01:35 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: I would like to see it | 01:35 |
| mhall119 | hmm, imbrandon made a css version of the download butotn, that would be localizable | 01:35 |
| bkerensa | but convincing people to "do work" for something like this... Unless we could convince Ubuntu Contributors to pick up the work and submit patches | 01:36 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: what if we offered an array of images in different languages? | 01:37 |
| daker | bkerensa: they use django ? | 01:37 |
| bkerensa | daker: let me check the repo | 01:37 |
| mhall119 | daker: Mozilla uses a lot of Django, yes | 01:38 |
| daker | so it will be easy with imbrandon button {% trans "Download for ubuntu" %} | 01:39 |
| mhall119 | daker: if that site is Django and translted that way, yes | 01:43 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: if pre-translated images would make it possible for them to put the button on their pages, I'll work internally to get those made | 01:47 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Well I will try and push it | 01:49 |
| bkerensa | :) | 01:49 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: let me know if there are any other roadblocks and we'll try to overcome them as well | 01:49 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: asking someone now | 01:50 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: | 01:50 |
| bkerensa | <bkerensa> ckoehler: someone at Canonical asked | 01:50 |
| bkerensa | <bkerensa> :P | 01:50 |
| bkerensa | <ckoehler> bkerensa Probably not at this stage. | 01:50 |
| bkerensa | so looks like no | 01:50 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: there was more but I had to PM you the rest since it is not something that should be public | 01:51 |
| bkerensa | daker: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock <-- django | 01:52 |
| bkerensa | LD | 01:52 |
| daker | so mhall119 i guess imbrandon's button will work with {% trans %} | 01:54 |
| daker | bkerensa: on which page it needs to be shown ? | 01:55 |
| bkerensa | daker my understanding is that Ubuntu Comm Team wanted it on front page | 01:56 |
| bkerensa | :) | 01:56 |
| bkerensa | which is the only place we offer the main download button | 01:56 |
| daker | bkerensa: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/blob/master/apps/firefox/templates/firefox/new.html | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | if there is something I can do / change to help out with it mhall119 / daker just let me know | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | it could be a trivial server side script (js,php,python,pretty much anything) to generate a translated png as well with minimal work | 02:01 |
| mhall119 | imbrandon: will do, thanks | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | daker / mhall119: here is the current sources too for the button, should you need it for a Proof-of-Concept or similar etc etc | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | https://github.com/bholtsclaw/bholtsclaw.github.com/tree/master/assets/buttons | 02:07 |
| mhall119 | my god these CES keynotes are cheesy | 02:42 |
| daker | https://plus.google.com/u/0/101694416703170881163/posts/PaG63ou1r6t | 02:44 |
| mhall119 | daker: sounds like a new CES drinking game | 02:46 |
| imbrandon | i'm in :) hahaha | 02:46 |
| mhall119 | maybe AlanBell can make CES Bingo cards | 02:46 |
| daker | omg steve balmer | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | what stream are you all watching ? | 02:48 |
| daker | http://ces.cnet.com/ces-videos/ | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | ty | 02:49 |
| mhall119 | oh gawd | 02:49 |
| mhall119 | hide the chairs | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | i'm pretty sure Balmer will retire in 2013 | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | or be forced to | 02:50 |
| * mhall119 wouldn't be surprised | 02:50 | |
| imbrandon | 13 years at the helm, and with the tepid win8 and windows phone releases i think is sealing the deal on his retirement | 02:51 |
| mhall119 | has it been 13 years already? | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | yup, well going on it, 2000 | 02:52 |
| mhall119 | they don't have a twitter app yet? | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:52 |
| mhall119 | so Microsoft got their CES keynote afterall... | 02:53 |
| mhall119 | I'm shocked | 02:53 |
| mhall119 | shocked I say | 02:53 |
| daker | lightweight, smooth, highly secure, productive, isn't that cool :D | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | how cool is that | 02:54 |
| mhall119 | isn't that cool | 02:54 |
| * mhall119 takes a shot | 02:54 | |
| daker | and designed by the best designers in the world :D | 02:55 |
| mhall119 | daker: solid colored squares are hard | 02:55 |
| daker | very hard! | 02:58 |
| daker | ironmans | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | 250ft tall ironmans | 03:06 |
| daker | :) | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | with a Indepdance day ripoff speech to pump them up for battle :) | 03:07 |
| mhall119 | that movie looks terrible | 03:07 |
| daker | mhall119: the tricky thing is the rendering of the 3D scenes | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | i feel like I'm watching a torrent'd "cam" | 03:10 |
| mhall119 | daker: technically yes, but without a decent story it's still a terrible movie | 03:13 |
| daker | mhall119: do you have any idea on how filmmakers uses ubuntu to render there movies (how to combine multiple servers to render one scene) | 03:14 |
| mhall119 | daker: I've heard various 3d studios that work with film makers use Linux in general or Ubuntu in particular | 03:16 |
| mhall119 | Jason DeRose could probably give you better info on that industry though | 03:16 |
| daker | mhall119: i just want to know what tech/software they use, i have a 3d animator friend and he always stuck at the rendring part(a full HD scene can take a day to render) | 03:18 |
| daker | scene = 2 to 5 sec | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | daker: Renderman, RenderRocket, Maya, Mental Ray ... and the software "hooks" the farm togather | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | not really the OS | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | like DreamWorks uses Ubuntu on HP Media Cloud alot | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | 10k cores 100% cpu 24/7 for 28 weeks to render 'How To Train Your Dragon' | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | so it takes a long time even for the big guys :) | 03:23 |
| daker | imbrandon: oh | 03:23 |
| daker | imbrandon: so my friend has done that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvSQUjJvjYo | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | nice | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: 10k sounds smallish, http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/01/39000-core-ubuntu-cluster-renders.html | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | yea i thought so too cuz it was from memory but ... http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/How-to-Train-Your-Dragon-Slays-Its-Way-To-Best-Animated-Feature/ba-p/61805 | 03:26 |
| imbrandon | then again Avatar was MUCH higher quality too | 03:27 |
| imbrandon | and had custom render software written just for it :) | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | weta have been keeping busy with recent work like the hobbit, I think they're still using ubuntu there | 03:27 |
| imbrandon | yea, irrc they are | 03:28 |
| imbrandon | iirc* | 03:28 |
| * imbrandon is suprised ajmitch hasent been an extra on a LOTR movie :) | 03:29 | |
| ajmitch | funny, but no :P | 03:29 |
| mhall119 | daker: I worked on a render farm years ago | 03:36 |
| mhall119 | I think they used renderman | 03:36 |
| mhall119 | it was all Linux, some Redhat variant | 03:37 |
| daker | ok ty | 03:37 |
| mhall119 | daker: my brother does this, I've been trying to get with him to see if we could use juju to build a render farm in the cloud | 03:38 |
| mhall119 | right now he rents time on someone else's render farm, that's how most people do it I think | 03:38 |
| imbrandon | jcastro: why in the juju video ( most apparent at 2:17 ) does the juju logo and maas logo both use diffrent shades of Ubuntu orange ( and diffrent fonts / font weights ) on the screen at the same time no less | 04:07 |
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| daker | mhall119: nice | 11:33 |
| jcastro | imbrandon: not sure why | 13:40 |
| daker | does anyone know if u1 does have a qml sdk ? | 16:30 |
| czajkowski | aquarius: boo | 16:32 |
| czajkowski | daker: talk to aquarius | 16:32 |
| aquarius | hey, daker :) | 16:33 |
| daker | aquarius: does anyone know if u1 does have a qml sdk ? | 16:33 |
| aquarius | daker, depends which parts. U1DB, which is a syncable JSON database, will have -- we're working on it. In the interim we know roughly what that API will *look* like, and there's a prototype Python implementation you can use until the real one is done. | 16:34 |
| aquarius | daker, Ubuntu One file sync... you shouldn't need an API. Just save a file into a synced folder and you're done; U1 itself takes care of it for you. | 16:34 |
| daker | aquarius: my use case : a photo app with filter that will publish to u1 then get a public url which you can share to fb/tw | 16:36 |
| aquarius | daker, aah, right. The U1 file sync APIs to do things like publish a file are available over D-Bus, but aren't directly available from QML yet. However, they should be very easy to call from your application; the low-level app which starts up the QML view, is that in C? Python? | 16:37 |
| daker | aquarius: i haven't started yet those are just ideas that comes to my mind, anyway maybe i have to wait | 16:39 |
| daker | is this an official account https://twitter.com/ubuntuphone ? | 16:41 |
| aquarius | daker, it'd be pretty trivial to add to your app, fear not | 16:41 |
| daker | aquarius: ok thanks :) | 16:41 |
| aquarius | np | 16:42 |
| JoseeAntonioR | mhall119: around? | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | JoseeAntonioR: yup | 17:03 |
| JoseeAntonioR | mhall119: was the wiki failing a couple moments ago? I was getting 500's everywhere | 17:03 |
| mhall119 | I don't know, but it *is* the wiki | 17:04 |
| JoseeAntonioR | :P | 17:06 |
| JoseeAntonioR | mhall119: hey, do you think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnAir/BestPractices states things clearly? | 18:18 |
| popey | JoseeAntonioR: maybe something about microphone / headphones, and muting yourself when you're not talking, so no background noise comes in? | 18:26 |
| JoseeAntonioR | popey: great, will add that now | 18:26 |
| czajkowski | folks might be interested in reading | 18:27 |
| czajkowski | http://www.siriusopensource.com/content/qa-session-jane-silber-ceo-canonical | 18:28 |
| jcastro | imbrandon: 504 nginx errors on omg | 19:59 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: libfitbit does not seem to be syncing | 21:54 |
| bkerensa | :/ | 21:54 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: looks like the PPA we have is outdated from upstream | 21:56 |
| popey | i should get a fitbit shouldn't i | 22:08 |
| mhall119 | popey: it does seem to be what all the cool kids are doing | 22:13 |
| bkerensa | popey: you should | 22:14 |
| bkerensa | popey: and made libfitbit work so I don't have to boot VM :D | 22:14 |
| popey | i can probably just carry my phone i guess | 22:14 |
| bkerensa | popey: you have iphone? | 22:14 |
| bkerensa | eww | 22:14 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 22:14 |
| popey | of course | 22:14 |
| popey | i like beauty | 22:15 |
| popey | once Ubuntu Phone comes out, I'll switch to that (probbaly) ☺ | 22:15 |
| bkerensa | now I know where these user studies come from | 22:15 |
| bkerensa | :D | 22:15 |
| czajkowski | they are nice | 22:15 |
| bkerensa | popey: yeah I hope to flash my gnex at the end of next month | 22:15 |
| czajkowski | latest firmwarm to my phone gives some nice swipe features, just not as smooth as the iphone | 22:16 |
| bkerensa | Main reason I ditched my iPhone is it got laggy for some reason | 22:16 |
| bkerensa | I get the new Firefox OS phone in a couple weeks so we will see how using that goes | 22:17 |
| czajkowski | bkerensa: availle to buy direct or where does one purchase it? | 22:18 |
| bkerensa | czajkowski: I am getting mine from Mozilla but they should be available in emerging markets I think in Q2.... So likely Asia and India first | 22:19 |
| popey | I heard brazil | 22:19 |
| czajkowski | mind boggling the way stuff is realeased, depending on locations | 22:19 |
| czajkowski | stuff should just be able to be bought never mind this daft country lark region | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | narks me off no end | 22:20 |
| popey | people probably wouldn't buy it here though | 22:20 |
| bkerensa | popey: likely brazil too... I don't think they have chosen all the emerging places they want to test it | 22:20 |
| popey | so no point marketing a device that wouldn't sell | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | popey: true, but at least the option should be there | 22:20 |
| bkerensa | But I know Latin America / India / Asia is at the top of the list | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | it's like ubuntu laptops | 22:20 |
| mhall119 | popey: they didn't give you a phone to play with? | 22:21 |
| czajkowski | you can buy from dell if you live in the states, but not if you were in .ie or .uk | 22:21 |
| popey | Nope | 22:21 |
| bkerensa | popey: Why would it not sell in UK? | 22:21 |
| mhall119 | were the worried you'd forget it in a bar or something? | 22:21 |
| popey | hah | 22:21 |
| mhall119 | :) | 22:21 |
| popey | i dont think the UK market needs a low end phone | 22:21 |
| czajkowski | you can go to tesco and get a 50 quid smart phone | 22:22 |
| popey | indeed | 22:23 |
| bkerensa | popey: It won't be low end and I think Mozilla has a unique advantage that there brand is already known to people across all OSes so people know what Firefox is and have a pre-existing relationship with the brand over say Android | 22:23 |
| popey | phones are dirt cheap here | 22:23 |
| bkerensa | 50 quid is how much USD? | 22:23 |
| popey | 80 | 22:24 |
| bkerensa | oh wow | 22:24 |
| bkerensa | thats very cheap | 22:24 |
| popey | you can get smart phones for free here | 22:24 |
| czajkowski | bkerensa: phones are cheap | 22:24 |
| popey | our market is very different from US | 22:24 |
| czajkowski | and you can just change from carrier to carrier if you want | 22:24 |
| popey | see http://www.orange.co.uk/ | 22:24 |
| popey | what you can get for nothing, just the 25 quid a month | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | Yeah I think the cheapest phone they sell prepaid at our grocery is $130 | 22:25 |
| popey | and is that a smartphone? | 22:25 |
| popey | or a regular "featurephone" | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | popey: yeah very low end android | 22:26 |
| bkerensa | We don't sell feature phones much more in the U.S. | 22:26 |
| bkerensa | not in phone shops or grocery anymore | 22:26 |
| bkerensa | maybe online | 22:26 |
| popey | so i can see why they're looking at the emerging markets for firefox os | 22:26 |
| bkerensa | most carriers have been migrating people off of them | 22:26 |
| bkerensa | popey: I think its due to marketing.... Mozilla has more assets overseas than in the U.S. or UK | 22:27 |
| bkerensa | popey: is internet also cheap in the UK? | 22:31 |
| czajkowski | bkerensa: varies but yeah | 22:32 |
| popey | i guess | 22:34 |
| popey | some mobile networks throw in an ADSL router and home internet for free | 22:34 |
| popey | as does Sky (FOX) | 22:34 |
| popey | I have a bundle of cable TV, phone and 60Mb internet | 22:35 |
| bkerensa | nice | 22:35 |
| bkerensa | Yeah I pay about $50 for Cable Internet alone | 22:36 |
| * popey looks at fitbits on amz | 22:43 | |
| s-fox | oh, hey everyone. didn't realise i'd joined this room. | 22:45 |
| s-fox | anyway, time to go. goodbye. | 22:47 |
| popey | heh | 22:48 |
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