[00:12] daker: did I miss anything interesting on that lice CNet feed? [00:17] oh lord [00:17] live video [00:17] not lice [00:17] :( [00:48] mhall119: no idea :) [00:59] mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/AppPromotion [00:59] says Jono is working on Ubuntu Button for FF and I was discussing it with one of the people at Mozilla who uses Ubuntu and works on the Team that would approve it [01:01] bkerensa: ah, great, I think the problem before was that we weren't closely following their release cycle, but we are now [01:01] mhall119: So I think it goes a little further than that :) [01:01] * bkerensa needs to find the bug he has open in Bugzilla [01:03] bkerensa: is there still some concern that they have? [01:05] mhall119: So it appears the issue would be that its a lot of work :) [01:05] mhall119: I have a bug ID if you would like to comment on it [01:06] sure [01:10] mhall119: <ckoehler> bkerensa I don't think it makes sense to do the work required to make that happen [01:10] <ckoehler> our download pages are very fragile [01:10] <ckoehler> ubuntu users will already have firefox [01:10] mhall119: but the bug idea is here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763007 [01:10] Mozilla bug 763007 in General "Firefox.com lacks "Download for Ubuntu" button but offers Generic Linux Download" [Enhancement,New] [01:20] bkerensa: you'd want to confirm, but I don't think Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or other flavors and derivatives come with Firefox by default [01:21] mhall119: Yeah but this is a Ubuntu button not for other projects right? [01:22] bkerensa: the button works on any Ubuntu flavor or derivative that uses our archives [01:22] mhall119: I see [01:23] it points to apps.ubuntu.com, which lists things in the archives [01:23] so technically the button works for any OS, it just takes you to a page about the app with screenshots, rating and reviews, and a download button [01:25] mhall119: the localization and detection issue I think it what the blocker would be [01:26] what's the issue? [01:27] mhall119: Getting people to localize the content and sorting how to detect Ubuntu users from other Linux users [01:27] we cannot blanket offer the Ubuntu button to Redhat or Fedora users [01:27] Firefox does not have a header right now that separates it from Fedora or other Distros [01:28] mhall119: oh it looks like it was actually re-added [01:29] mhall119: but I'm not sure that Chrome or Chromium or browsers offered by Xubuntu/Lubuntu/Kubuntu have the Ubuntu field in the UA string [01:29] so we would only be presenting this button to Ubuntu users that already have Firefox? [01:32] mhall119: So Chrome/Chromium present "(X11; Linux xARCH)" where FF does "(X11; Ubuntu; Linux; rv VERSION xARCH)" [01:33] bkerensa: why can't you offer a page with Ubuntu *and* Fedora buttons [01:33] ? [01:34] one page, multiple buttons? [01:34] or multiple buttons on a side-bar [01:34] or something [01:34] thats where the work comes in [01:34] anybody that provides Firefox packages themselves and provides you a button [01:35] and then we would have to localize [01:35] we would also have to localize the ubuntu button since we offer the website in every language under the sun [01:35] mhall119: I would like to see it [01:35] hmm, imbrandon made a css version of the download butotn, that would be localizable [01:36] but convincing people to "do work" for something like this... Unless we could convince Ubuntu Contributors to pick up the work and submit patches [01:37] bkerensa: what if we offered an array of images in different languages? [01:37] bkerensa: they use django ? [01:37] daker: let me check the repo [01:38] daker: Mozilla uses a lot of Django, yes [01:39] so it will be easy with imbrandon button {% trans "Download for ubuntu" %} [01:43] daker: if that site is Django and translted that way, yes [01:47] bkerensa: if pre-translated images would make it possible for them to put the button on their pages, I'll work internally to get those made [01:49] mhall119: Well I will try and push it [01:49] :) [01:49] bkerensa: let me know if there are any other roadblocks and we'll try to overcome them as well [01:50] mhall119: asking someone now [01:50] mhall119: [01:50] <bkerensa> ckoehler: someone at Canonical asked [01:50] <bkerensa> :P [01:50] <ckoehler> bkerensa Probably not at this stage. [01:50] so looks like no [01:51] mhall119: there was more but I had to PM you the rest since it is not something that should be public [01:52] daker: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock <-- django [01:52] LD [01:54] so mhall119 i guess imbrandon's button will work with {% trans %} [01:55] bkerensa: on which page it needs to be shown ? [01:56] daker my understanding is that Ubuntu Comm Team wanted it on front page [01:56] :) [01:56] which is the only place we offer the main download button [01:58] bkerensa: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/blob/master/apps/firefox/templates/firefox/new.html [01:58] if there is something I can do / change to help out with it mhall119 / daker just let me know [02:01] it could be a trivial server side script (js,php,python,pretty much anything) to generate a translated png as well with minimal work [02:04] imbrandon: will do, thanks [02:06] daker / mhall119: here is the current sources too for the button, should you need it for a Proof-of-Concept or similar etc etc [02:07] https://github.com/bholtsclaw/bholtsclaw.github.com/tree/master/assets/buttons [02:42] my god these CES keynotes are cheesy [02:44] https://plus.google.com/u/0/101694416703170881163/posts/PaG63ou1r6t [02:46] daker: sounds like a new CES drinking game [02:46] i'm in :) hahaha [02:46] maybe AlanBell can make CES Bingo cards [02:48] omg steve balmer [02:48] what stream are you all watching ? [02:49] http://ces.cnet.com/ces-videos/ [02:49] ty [02:49] oh gawd [02:50] hide the chairs [02:50] i'm pretty sure Balmer will retire in 2013 [02:50] or be forced to [02:50] * mhall119 wouldn't be surprised [02:51] 13 years at the helm, and with the tepid win8 and windows phone releases i think is sealing the deal on his retirement [02:51] has it been 13 years already? [02:52] yup, well going on it, 2000 [02:52] they don't have a twitter app yet? [02:52] heh [02:53] so Microsoft got their CES keynote afterall... [02:53] I'm shocked [02:53] shocked I say [02:53] lightweight, smooth, highly secure, productive, isn't that cool :D [02:54] how cool is that [02:54] isn't that cool [02:54] * mhall119 takes a shot [02:55] and designed by the best designers in the world :D [02:55] daker: solid colored squares are hard [02:58] very hard! [03:05] ironmans [03:06] 250ft tall ironmans [03:06] :) [03:07] with a Indepdance day ripoff speech to pump them up for battle :) [03:07] that movie looks terrible [03:08] mhall119: the tricky thing is the rendering of the 3D scenes [03:10] i feel like I'm watching a torrent'd "cam" [03:13] daker: technically yes, but without a decent story it's still a terrible movie [03:14] mhall119: do you have any idea on how filmmakers uses ubuntu to render there movies (how to combine multiple servers to render one scene) [03:16] daker: I've heard various 3d studios that work with film makers use Linux in general or Ubuntu in particular [03:16] Jason DeRose could probably give you better info on that industry though [03:18] mhall119: i just want to know what tech/software they use, i have a 3d animator friend and he always stuck at the rendring part(a full HD scene can take a day to render) [03:19] scene = 2 to 5 sec [03:21] daker: Renderman, RenderRocket, Maya, Mental Ray ... and the software "hooks" the farm togather [03:21] not really the OS [03:22] like DreamWorks uses Ubuntu on HP Media Cloud alot [03:23] 10k cores 100% cpu 24/7 for 28 weeks to render 'How To Train Your Dragon' [03:23] so it takes a long time even for the big guys :) [03:23] imbrandon: oh [03:24] imbrandon: so my friend has done that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvSQUjJvjYo [03:25] nice [03:25] imbrandon: 10k sounds smallish, http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/01/39000-core-ubuntu-cluster-renders.html [03:26] yea i thought so too cuz it was from memory but ... http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/How-to-Train-Your-Dragon-Slays-Its-Way-To-Best-Animated-Feature/ba-p/61805 [03:27] then again Avatar was MUCH higher quality too [03:27] and had custom render software written just for it :) [03:27] weta have been keeping busy with recent work like the hobbit, I think they're still using ubuntu there [03:28] yea, irrc they are [03:28] iirc* [03:29] * imbrandon is suprised ajmitch hasent been an extra on a LOTR movie :) [03:29] funny, but no :P [03:36] daker: I worked on a render farm years ago [03:36] I think they used renderman [03:37] it was all Linux, some Redhat variant [03:37] ok ty [03:38] daker: my brother does this, I've been trying to get with him to see if we could use juju to build a render farm in the cloud [03:38] right now he rents time on someone else's render farm, that's how most people do it I think [04:07] jcastro: why in the juju video ( most apparent at 2:17 ) does the juju logo and maas logo both use diffrent shades of Ubuntu orange ( and diffrent fonts / font weights ) on the screen at the same time no less === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [11:33] mhall119: nice [13:40] imbrandon: not sure why [16:30] does anyone know if u1 does have a qml sdk ? [16:32] aquarius: boo [16:32] daker: talk to aquarius [16:33] hey, daker :) [16:33] aquarius: does anyone know if u1 does have a qml sdk ? [16:34] daker, depends which parts. U1DB, which is a syncable JSON database, will have -- we're working on it. In the interim we know roughly what that API will *look* like, and there's a prototype Python implementation you can use until the real one is done. [16:34] daker, Ubuntu One file sync... you shouldn't need an API. Just save a file into a synced folder and you're done; U1 itself takes care of it for you. [16:36] aquarius: my use case : a photo app with filter that will publish to u1 then get a public url which you can share to fb/tw [16:37] daker, aah, right. The U1 file sync APIs to do things like publish a file are available over D-Bus, but aren't directly available from QML yet. However, they should be very easy to call from your application; the low-level app which starts up the QML view, is that in C? Python? [16:39] aquarius: i haven't started yet those are just ideas that comes to my mind, anyway maybe i have to wait [16:41] is this an official account https://twitter.com/ubuntuphone ? [16:41] daker, it'd be pretty trivial to add to your app, fear not [16:41] aquarius: ok thanks :) [16:42] np [17:00] mhall119: around? [17:03] JoseeAntonioR: yup [17:03] mhall119: was the wiki failing a couple moments ago? I was getting 500's everywhere [17:04] I don't know, but it *is* the wiki [17:06] :P [18:18] mhall119: hey, do you think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnAir/BestPractices states things clearly? [18:26] JoseeAntonioR: maybe something about microphone / headphones, and muting yourself when you're not talking, so no background noise comes in? [18:26] popey: great, will add that now [18:27] folks might be interested in reading [18:28] http://www.siriusopensource.com/content/qa-session-jane-silber-ceo-canonical [19:59] imbrandon: 504 nginx errors on omg [21:54] jcastro: libfitbit does not seem to be syncing [21:54] :/ [21:56] jcastro: looks like the PPA we have is outdated from upstream [22:08] i should get a fitbit shouldn't i [22:13] popey: it does seem to be what all the cool kids are doing [22:14] popey: you should [22:14] popey: and made libfitbit work so I don't have to boot VM :D [22:14] i can probably just carry my phone i guess [22:14] popey: you have iphone? [22:14] eww [22:14] ;p [22:14] of course [22:15] i like beauty [22:15] once Ubuntu Phone comes out, I'll switch to that (probbaly) ☺ [22:15] now I know where these user studies come from [22:15] :D [22:15] they are nice [22:15] popey: yeah I hope to flash my gnex at the end of next month [22:16] latest firmwarm to my phone gives some nice swipe features, just not as smooth as the iphone [22:16] Main reason I ditched my iPhone is it got laggy for some reason [22:17] I get the new Firefox OS phone in a couple weeks so we will see how using that goes [22:18] bkerensa: availle to buy direct or where does one purchase it? [22:19] czajkowski: I am getting mine from Mozilla but they should be available in emerging markets I think in Q2.... So likely Asia and India first [22:19] I heard brazil [22:19] mind boggling the way stuff is realeased, depending on locations [22:20] stuff should just be able to be bought never mind this daft country lark region [22:20] narks me off no end [22:20] people probably wouldn't buy it here though [22:20] popey: likely brazil too... I don't think they have chosen all the emerging places they want to test it [22:20] so no point marketing a device that wouldn't sell [22:20] popey: true, but at least the option should be there [22:20] But I know Latin America / India / Asia is at the top of the list [22:20] it's like ubuntu laptops [22:21] popey: they didn't give you a phone to play with? [22:21] you can buy from dell if you live in the states, but not if you were in .ie or .uk [22:21] Nope [22:21] popey: Why would it not sell in UK? [22:21] were the worried you'd forget it in a bar or something? [22:21] hah [22:21] :) [22:21] i dont think the UK market needs a low end phone [22:22] you can go to tesco and get a 50 quid smart phone [22:23] indeed [22:23] popey: It won't be low end and I think Mozilla has a unique advantage that there brand is already known to people across all OSes so people know what Firefox is and have a pre-existing relationship with the brand over say Android [22:23] phones are dirt cheap here [22:23] 50 quid is how much USD? [22:24] 80 [22:24] oh wow [22:24] thats very cheap [22:24] you can get smart phones for free here [22:24] bkerensa: phones are cheap [22:24] our market is very different from US [22:24] and you can just change from carrier to carrier if you want [22:24] see http://www.orange.co.uk/ [22:25] what you can get for nothing, just the 25 quid a month [22:25] Yeah I think the cheapest phone they sell prepaid at our grocery is $130 [22:25] and is that a smartphone? [22:25] or a regular "featurephone" [22:26] popey: yeah very low end android [22:26] We don't sell feature phones much more in the U.S. [22:26] not in phone shops or grocery anymore [22:26] maybe online [22:26] so i can see why they're looking at the emerging markets for firefox os [22:26] most carriers have been migrating people off of them [22:27] popey: I think its due to marketing.... Mozilla has more assets overseas than in the U.S. or UK [22:31] popey: is internet also cheap in the UK? [22:32] bkerensa: varies but yeah [22:34] i guess [22:34] some mobile networks throw in an ADSL router and home internet for free [22:34] as does Sky (FOX) [22:35] I have a bundle of cable TV, phone and 60Mb internet [22:35] nice [22:36] Yeah I pay about $50 for Cable Internet alone [22:43] * popey looks at fitbits on amz [22:45] oh, hey everyone. didn't realise i'd joined this room. [22:47] anyway, time to go. goodbye. [22:48] heh