[09:12] aloha [09:16] morning all [09:17] guys, how do i close a irssi PM window? [09:18] mungbean: /wc [09:18] I very very nearly typed /wc in here ☺ [09:19] :P [09:19] popey: What is the key combination to close an application window? [09:19] ta popey [09:21] mungbean: top stop me closing windows by accident I do turn on immortal windows [09:23] ooh vmware tools has magic driver-free printing [09:23] just noticed [09:26] Morning all [09:34] Morning [09:35] hallo [09:36] pip pip [09:39] * popey wonders if AlanBell will write up his webcam fun sometime [09:42] http://guest:guest@popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi cat cam! [09:48] I really must buy one soon! [09:49] I have the joys of fitting a laptop screen tonight [09:49] Not done one in about 3-4 years if not more [09:49] fun fun [09:49] I put my laptop into the car a little too casually once, cracked the screen due to it hitting the floor of the car too hard. [09:50] Watched a few vids, seems simple enough ( he hopes ) [09:51] what kind of laptop, diplo/ [09:51] ? even [09:51] Sony Vaio [09:51] hopefully won't be too troublesome [09:51] Seems it should be 4 screws on the front, 4 on the sides once the cover is off and 2 cables [09:51] Swap out and new one back in ( as long as I got the right one! ) [09:51] :P [09:52] I had the display on my Eee replaced (dead pixels upon delivery when it was new) and the repair person gave me a present of a small hair just in the centre of the top part of the screen. [09:52] heh [09:52] which eee? [09:52] So long as I don't look at white screens, I don't notice it. [09:52] dwatkins: that was nice of them [09:52] mungbean: this was the 901, I've had several. [09:52] Seeker`: yeah, if I worked in a lab I'd test if for DNA ;) [09:52] i have a black spec , 1x1 pixel after replacing the screen on my tablet [09:53] 1 spec aint bad considering i did it in the living room with my son running around [09:53] mungbean: bah - I originally sent the Eee back to where I bought it, they refused to repair it, so I sent it to the manufacturer instead [09:53] my wife smashed the screen and the broken bits were v difficult to remove [09:53] ah ok, not a manufacturing fault [09:57] someone do me a favour and tell me how much memory virt/res xorg is using [09:58] 27008 6388 [09:58] I don't use that machine much, though. [09:59] 140m 122m [09:59] top gives 949m 317m [09:59] 1732 root 20 0 304m 28m 11m S 4 0.4 51:24.70 Xorg [09:59] diplo: how many screens? [09:59] 2 [09:59] why mine so high? [09:59] uptime 21days [09:59] But only booted an hour ago because of power cut last night [09:59] ^^ [10:00] Mine gets higher the longer it's up [10:00] popey: when u booted? [10:00] mungbean: firefox? [10:00] 10:00:16 up 1 day, 1:59, 8 users, load average: 0.77, 0.86, 0.91 [10:00] chrome is running, not ff [10:00] popey: Just a fyi, can't connect to mooo.com [10:00] oh [10:00] Well the camera specifically [10:00] nvm ☺ [10:01] Well, actually... removed snapshot.cgi and it does [10:01] So incorrect url I guess [10:17] good morning everyone [10:26] hello brobostigon [10:28] hello mungbean [10:34] Good morning peeps :) [10:48] Anyone like to confirm this for me. [10:49] Scripts in init.d get called and automatically run the start command within it if there ? [10:50] when? [10:50] On boot [10:50] on ubuntu or centos? [10:50] just got access to my student loan account for the first time ever [10:50] £14,856.33 [10:50] This is Centos but wanting to know generically [10:50] centos you need to check chkconfig --list [10:50] Basically we have a service that really needs to restart to delete a pid file [10:50] Laney: is that good or bad [10:51] yeah I understand that side, it's the calling of the start/stop/restart script [10:51] feels like a lot [10:51] How does it know what to run on start [10:51] not as much as what the yoof of today get though [10:51] 9k fees + loan [10:51] muhahahaha [10:51] (per year) [10:52] my student loan outstanding balance is... about £150 [10:52] i've only made 4 repayments :( [10:53] * Dave2 stabs directhex a bit with his ~£20k :( [10:53] i think i was the last year before the fees loans [10:55] the highest my balance ever was was £9842 [10:55] nw it's less. damn, i've lost my 2012 statement === Ivanka_ is now known as Ivanka [10:56] oh here it is. £1648.46 in april 2012 [10:56] can't you get on the website? [10:56] Laney: 8k a year for me + maintenance loan [10:56] Laney: Only 4 units per year now as well [10:56] what is a unit? [10:57] £150 a month paid all last year, so apparently £300 to pay. if my sums are accurate. [10:57] Laney: Essentially a label for the topics they teach you. 12 hours tuition a week. [10:57] oh, we called those modules [10:57] directhex: you can input your payments into the website and it works out the interest [10:57] Laney: Ah, same thing. [10:59] Laney, i can't log in. i predate them knowing what an "email address" is so i lack required data for a password reset [10:59] * Laney just called up and had them reset it [11:01] not much point resetting it for the sake of a couple of weeks :p [11:01] i'll call them after jan's paycheque has landed [11:03] the point is to call them up once the coming month's payment is less than the PAYE deduction, and just pay off the balance with visa [11:05] does that fix having to claim money back? [11:06] yes. [11:06] hax [11:09] Any footage of Ubuntu at CES 2013 online yet? [11:10] kvarley: https://t.co/k16GQr1b [11:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RO7QbCqFY7Y [11:11] Morning all [11:16] czajkowski: Thanks :D [11:17] kvarley: or just search #ces on social sites ;) [11:17] czajkowski: Ooops, no idea why I didn't think of that. I asked right after checking Twitter as well *facepalm* [11:18] lol [11:18] :) [11:18] kvarley: https://twitter.com/search?q=ces%20ubuntu&src=typd [11:19] czajkowski: Thanks :) there goes my productivity for today heh === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [11:35] all the ubuntu phone stuff i've seen at CES is still in portrait mode [11:36] weeeellll, it's still not a full product [11:36] I bet there's a Canonical Monkey tapping away at the code as we speak [11:37] Can we start calling them Canonimonkeys? [11:37] or "developers" as they're usually called [11:38] xamarin has the monopoly on monkey-themed developers [11:39] Hmmh, why can't I mount a samba share via fstab, I'm sure I've got the right line in fstab, but I get mount error(6) No such device or address [11:39] i also see a lot of unintended operations while demoing the phone [11:39] popey++ [11:39] not sure if a failing of the UI, or just because early builds [11:39] DJones: do you have cifs installed? [11:39] the latter mungbean [11:39] give us some credit, please [11:40] DJones: are you calling the remote server by name or ip address? [11:40] popey, UI design , rather than implementation [11:40] bigcalm: ip address, just checking for cifs, I've cifs-utils installed [11:40] keyboard popping up when trying to switch apps etc [11:41] yeah, early build [11:41] DJones: from my /etc/fstab: //proliant/iain /media/smb/proliant/iain cifs credentials=/home/iain/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0666,dir_mode=0777 0 0 [11:41] bigcalm: fstab line is //192.168.0.25/media/media/Video /media/Media cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0 (as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently) [11:42] Can you get to \\192.168.0.25/media/media/Video in a file browser? [11:42] I can browse to the share via nautilus [11:42] Oh [11:45] Although that goes, Browse Network -> Windows Network -> DANCOL -> DANCOLSERVER -> share Which then shows me 5 folders including Video, on the server itself, its mounted at /media/media/Video [11:45] ip address is correct [11:46] Does the share have guest access? The file browser might be passing on credentials (shot in the dark) [11:47] Could be, I'll check [11:49] I always test when having problems with smbclient and mount on the cli [11:49] smb.conf has path = /media/media, browsable = yes, guest ok = yes, read only = no, create mask = 0755 [11:50] smbclient -L //path -u ? and display as user ? [11:56] This doesn't look right http://pastebin.com/daiwy0mw I would have expected the share to give details of folders available [12:01] dave the user that has access on the smb server ? [12:01] yes [12:02] Not used in a while, 2 secs.. will just run on mine to remind me of the output [12:02] Cheers [12:03] I keep forgetting how many Daves and Davids we have in here :) [12:04] yeah, defo shows my shares [12:04] So looks like the problem is on the server then [12:04] You dumped your config? Bit rusty on samba shares but can take a look [12:04] I'd say yeah [12:05] bigcalm: is it more or less than the number of Alans? [12:05] NEED MOAR ALANS [12:06] Fewer daves. [12:07] popey: +1 [12:07] or is it +2 [12:07] why do we need more alans? [12:07] Coz it's good. [12:07] mmm. not convinced. [12:08] TheOpenSourcerer: the old kudos method was ++ [12:08] lol [12:10] diplo: share section of smb.conf is http://pastebin.com/uXH29nUJ [12:12] OK, so it is correct [12:15] So mount -t cifs -o dave //192.168.0.25/share /media/dir [12:15] ? [12:16] Or mount -t cifs //192.168.0.25/share /media/dir username=dave,password= I think will work as well ( been a while on these :P ) [12:16] That works with sudo, I'll change fstab to mount //192.168.0.25/share [12:18] changing fstab didn't work [12:19] Got it [12:19] So you're running mount -a after.. [12:19] Ah. :) [12:19] Cool [12:19] Thanks for the help [12:19] so with all my music loaded on, it's official: iOS is now the most linux-user-hostile smartphone OS, with WP8 leaving behind WP7's worst baggage [12:19] aquarius may be interested by this [12:20] * aquarius grins [12:20] directhex, I have not even tried to connect my phone to my laptop, because I think it will just end in misery and annoyance. [12:21] i received an SD card today [12:21] since most WP8 devices have SD card slots, i just copied my music to it. and it worked, no fuss [12:21] worst i got was a popup asking me if it should switch to saving new photos on the SD rather than the phone [12:22] heh. I just use u1 music anyway, on whichever phone I'm on; I don't sync from local storage. So that didn't affect me all that much, although I agree entirely that it's aggressively user-hostile to stop someone syncing if they want ti [12:22] *to [12:23] well MTP-Z also blocked me copying my photos off with wp7. mostly emailed to myself [12:23] that mtp-z thing is pretty annoying, indeed [12:24] (although, again, photos are copied off with U1 -- the non-existence of U1 on WP was one of the big reasons I didn't look at it very hard) [12:24] development still requires windows. although that's no different from ios dev needing a mac [12:26] At least now I've sorted mount point, I can set xbmc up now [12:26] indeed; I'd have happily made a U1 app for WP, in the same way I did for the N9, but I can't because I don't have Windows -- I'm exactly the same with iOS, in that I can't develop apps for it. Whether that is a serious problem is something I'm still trying to work out. [12:27] It's *conceptually* a problem: I don't like it. Whether it actually affects me or the problem is just theoretical (but still a problem) remains to be seen; answering questions like that is part of the point of the experiment ;) [12:31] directhex, what's changed in your opinion from WP7.5 to WP8? [12:32] aquarius, from an end user perspective? an ubuntu user? visible os changes? [12:34] as an end user, i can use it 100% from ubuntu, and that's important. no more MTP-Z, no more zune to install updates. it's a real post-PC device, where WP7.5 wasn't [12:34] directhex, just... what you think's happened. I don't know much about WP8, because the reasons I didn't choose WP7 have, as far as I'm aware, not changed. That's why I'm asking :) [12:35] directhex, can you use it without mtp-z by connecting? or do you have to use the SD card to do that? [12:36] just treat it as any other MTP device, in nautilus or banshee or rhythmbox or whatever [12:37] worst you need is an entry in libmtp music-players.h - but most new devices need that. the N9 needed that [12:37] and it's already in libmtp git (or was a few days ago anyway) [12:37] that's fair [12:37] how do you get non-music content into apps on the phone? My primary care on this sort of thing is epubs [12:39] i just transferred a test PDF into the /Documents/ folder - dunno about epub [12:39] (via nautilus gvfs, not via SD card) [12:44] i don't think WP7 apps can read from arbitrary folders, so most of the reader apps i'm seeing are asking me to import via skydrive [12:48] not that folders really exist with MTP. not really. it's complicated. [13:39] Anyone know a trustworthy domain registrar who will take a backorder and not betray me by selling the information to another party who will then register it and squeeze me for it? [13:40] Ach, never mind, GoDaddy re-registered it [13:40] Scum [13:40] That's what you get for searching for it on their website [13:40] yup [13:40] that kind of practice should be made illegal [13:41] hard to prove that [13:41] I searched for it on their site, it was owned by Domains by Proxy LLC the next day [13:41] They are a GoDaddy subsidiary [13:42] i had a cool domain that i wanted to get but someone else snagged it on expriy day, but could have been anyone [13:42] or "affiliate" as they put it [13:42] This was not taken initially [13:43] But they've sat on it since they registered it Dec 2011 [13:43] A friend of mine used her name (.com) as her CV, but it expired because the guy who bought it for 5 years didn't give her access to renew it, so some domain squatting company bought it up, and she had to switch to the .org version of her name. [13:43] I had a calendar appointment for when it expired but I didn't know enough about the process [13:43] at least namecheap allowed me to hide my address info on the .org domain [13:45] Domain Admin (contact@privacyprotect.org) [13:45] so if i want to snag a domain when it expires, what are my chances and best approach? [13:46] you can get some registrars to notify you when one's about to expire, for free iirc [13:46] currently owned by domcollect domain snaggers [13:46] i know when its expiring [13:46] you might even be able to pay to join the queue to buy a domain as soon as its freed-up [13:46] question is, will they let it expire [13:46] seems to be designed to rip people off [13:47] yeah, sadly there's a lot of this with domain names [13:47] sedo want £1000 for it [13:47] ouch [13:48] chances are they won't get that from anyone, but if they do that for enough domains, eventually someone will pay up, I guess. [13:48] I know, and if I get the .co.uk variant of it, the .com variant will no doubt go up in price [13:50] Ach, hell, I can live with just being a .co.uk [13:51] get a .eu ;) [13:51] .info! [13:52] .cx :D [13:52] .co.gb! [13:52] So, are NameCheap less scummy than GoDaddy? [13:52] I prefer their website, it's less gaudy ;) [13:53] i use gandi [13:53] not scammy at all [13:53] http://www.changeip.com/ have also been reccomended to me, but I can't vouch for them [13:53] i.e. never used them [13:53] popey, I like Gandi just from their front page [13:54] sometimes that's all it takes to win a customer :) [13:54] no pics of that danica girl [13:54] I think they had me at "write your own zone file" [13:54] Not that I know how to [13:54] But I sort of know what one is [13:54] turns out you can't register under .gb any more [13:55] And that someone who makes a point of saying "hey, geeks, you can control things right down to the bare metal" is probably more useful than someone who says "Hey! Domains! Pew pew!" [13:55] it has a template [13:56] bit of a rude slogan tho [13:56] nominet consultation ends today on creating SLD registrations under .uk [13:56] general consensus from UK internet types is "no, bad" [13:56] scot.uk ☺ [13:56] Where the hell is .sx [13:57] glad to hear that they won't be doing that, neuro - keep it simple, imho [13:57] dwatkins: nominet may just press on and do it anyway [13:57] neuro: hmmm, I don't see any reason to, but perhaps there's something I don't know [13:58] Sint Maarten (located in the northeastern Caribbean) [13:58] My domain only taken in four TLDs. One being .com (*grr* GoDaddy scumballs) [13:58] awilkins: install isoqueryroot@defiant:~# isoquery sx [13:58] SX SXM 702 Sint Maarten (Dutch part) [13:58] One being an EE nation (cyrillic letters) one being China (well, chinese characters TLD) [13:59] oops, missing new line there [13:59] install isoquery: [13:59] root@defiant:~# isoquery sx [13:59] SX SXM 702 Sint Maarten (Dutch part) [13:59] (replacement for old countrycodes package) [13:59] dwatkins: there is a reason: cashgrab [13:59] and snuggling up to the copyright people [13:59] neuro: ah yes, how naive of me ;) [13:59] the proposal has a 'registered trademark holder' sunrise [14:00] then a 'non-trademark holder' sunrise [14:00] like, thanks [14:00] .eu is on sale [14:00] what, the whole region? [14:00] £1.50 for a year. Or £20 for 2 ;-S [14:00] eu is a bit of a skank [14:01] I've only ever seen one domain within .eu [14:01] an eu expired and it cost £25 to get out of suspended mode [14:01] we still owned it, but had to pay an admininstrative fee [14:01] dwatkins: http://europa.eu/index_en.htm [14:01] Hah, 10 years of .co.uk for £30 [14:01] Bargain [14:01] um, wat [14:01] who with? [14:01] that's < cost [14:02] Gandi (ex tax) [14:02] So 30 * 1.2 == £36 with VAT [14:03] £4 a year or £3 a year for more than 1 year [14:03] + VAT [14:03] .eu is £85 for 10 years [14:03] Not so bargain [14:04] oh actually [14:04] just checked the pricing [14:04] why .co.uk so cheap? [14:04] What's cost then? [14:04] 10 yrs is £30 incl VAT [14:04] I'm interested to know why TLDs don't have a flat cost [14:04] so gandi are still making 6 quid profit off you [14:04] SuperMatt: they do [14:04] awww thin.gy has gone [14:05] 6 quid for 10 years work doesn't seem an atrocious profit [14:05] SuperMatt: it's just that competition is fierce amongst registrars, so some charge more than cost, some less [14:05] ah, gotcha [14:05] More like £5 mius the VAT [14:05] SuperMatt: each TLD operator sets its own pricing for registrars [14:05] Does anyone in here use DDWRT, i would like to have 4 WAN and 1 LAN, all i want is for DDWRT to route between all 5 subnets. simples. [14:05] e.g. nominet charge members (usually registrars) £4.20 incl VAT for 1 yr co.uk [14:06] oh no, I meant that a co.uk should be the same as a .com or a .eu [14:06] whereas if you went directly to nominet as a customer, a co.uk for 2 yrs would cost you £96 incl VAT [14:06] SuperMatt: oh right [14:06] well given that every TLD and ccTLD is operated by different companies ... [14:06] And 15% off for mor ethan 3 years registration, apparently [14:06] Wooty woo [14:07] * neuro wonders how much he is charging for co.uk ... [14:07] * neuro checks [14:07] I'm getting my domains from streamlinenet.co.uk [14:07] I don't really care about getting any deals [14:07] they're offered me good support when I've needed it, so whatevs. [14:07] * neuro buys domains from himself [14:08] SuperMatt: do they have a 'hide my address and contact info' option? [14:08] i don't own any domains [14:08] I believe they do [14:08] want me to check [14:08] just curious, no rush :) [14:08] don't see the point when i have work servesr to run irssi and owncloud on [14:08] hmm, seems i'm selling co.uk for 2 yrs for $14 [14:08] which is about £8.69 [14:08] yup, I can protect my identity over at streamlinenet [14:09] crikey, I have a lot of domains [14:09] what for? [14:09] just because [14:09] SuperMatt: go on, how many? [14:09] you like spending money? [14:09] I have a project in mind, and then fail to get it off the ground [14:09] 11 [14:09] bah [14:10] i have 10 [14:10] plus another blah blah on top that aren't actually mine [14:10] <- opensrs reseller [14:11] SuperMatt: so what's your oldest domain? [14:11] supermatt.net [14:11] 2006? acht, youngster :) [14:11] hah [14:12] hornet-wifi:~ neuro$ whois zensoft.co.uk | grep "Registered on:" [14:12] Registered on: 28-Aug-1998 [14:12] nice domain [14:12] hornet-wifi:~ neuro$ whois zensoft.net | grep "Record created on" [14:12] Record created on 25-Oct-1999. [14:12] that's my two oldest ones [14:12] you're using route53? [14:12] how are you finding it? [14:13] it's great [14:13] I like that the "Resell your data?" radio defaults to "No" [14:13] I pay something like 50p a month for each zone [14:13] which compared to other places is damn cheap [14:13] * Hornet- sets fire to neuro === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [14:14] i run three nameservers (london, france, canada) and i'm always tempted to just ditch them by automating stuff out to aws [14:14] Hornet: um, ok? [14:14] hornet-wifi:~ neu [14:14] pings everywhere [14:14] I do all my stuff through aws these days [14:14] Hornet: haha [14:14] unlucky [14:14] yeah, I have matt on hilight, and that goes off all the time [14:14] my hostnames are starships from star trek [14:15] I just run my website/shell from aws. I could use a managed solution for cheap, but it means I don't have control, and I like my control [14:15] USS Hornet, NCC-45231, Renaissance class (seen in TNG ep Redemption part 2) [14:15] i tried briefly running ubuntu instances for nameservers [14:16] it cost like 20 dollars a month [14:16] chucked it in [14:16] lol [14:16] my computers are called Bruce, Babs, Tim, PeeGee [14:16] well, I like aws. As long as I don't get too many zones, I'll keep using it [14:17] mine are enterprise, challenger, columbia, saratoga, hathaway, cochrane, majestic, grissom, hornet (sorry Hornet), excelsior, melbourne, intrepid, defiant, valiant, ulysses, phoenix ... [14:17] * neuro just manages zones on a local system here then pushes updates out over rsync+ssh [14:17] * neuro can actually read BIND zones, so it isn't that bad [14:19] can i search the gas safe register for a name rather than company? can't see how [14:19] I use characters from anime [14:19] Motoko, Aramaki, Totoro, Ryo-Oki [14:19] ooooh, hyphens [14:20] Not like it's on a public domain [14:20] heh [14:20] mine are [14:20] and i realise i've just blabbed a ton of hostnames [14:20] Oh, and one Final Fantasy character, my HTPC server is aeris [14:20] so 1 + 1 and you can get my private IPs [14:20] not that it'll do you much good :) [14:20] old-school gamer detected [14:20] one thing I don't understand, is why more places don't make up a tld for their internal domain [14:20] all the new translations use 'aerith' [14:20] which can fuck right off [14:20] when I'm playing with vms at work, I create a domain .sm [14:21]