| dhart | I'm looking for the correct place to file a bug. Subject would be "Remove confusing and inconsistent gnome- prefix from executables packaged with Ubuntu". Affects these packages: dpkg -S `locate "bin/gnome-"` | 07:20 |
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| Teufelchen | i keep this bug open as per discussion from some time ago on this channel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1079801 | 15:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1079801 in mesa (Ubuntu) "applications like Google Earth or Second Life do not work" [Undecided,New] | 15:53 |
| Teufelchen | forgot to add the comment, that i was not able to test install Ubuntu 13.04 | 15:55 |
| Teufelchen | okay, updated | 15:57 |
| Teufelchen | i hope the bug report is not annoying due to the number of comments | 15:58 |
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| TLoT | ohai! | 19:49 |
| TLoT | need someone else on bugcontrol/bugsquad/MOTU to consult with on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/znc/+bug/1088390 | 19:50 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1088390 in znc (Ubuntu Lucid) "znc & znc-perl not to load perl module" [Undecided,New] | 19:50 |
| TLoT | according to upstream, this is an issue of "Stop trying to build stuff probably written for newer ZNC on older ZNC." | 19:50 |
| TLoT | which is pretty non-ubuntu of them to say, but entirely relevant here. | 19:50 |
| TLoT | suggestions on hwo to proceed with the bug? | 19:50 |
| micahg | TLoT: not a bug, if it was a shipped perl script that would be different | 19:52 |
| micahg | maybe we can backport the newer znc to lucid? | 19:52 |
| TLoT | micahg: not possible | 19:52 |
| micahg | hrm? | 19:52 |
| TLoT | issue is dependent on the "Backports cannot depend on backports" thing | 19:52 |
| micahg | we should get that fixed | 19:53 |
| TLoT | even then, i've tried backporting 0.206 to Lucid | 19:53 |
| TLoT | it fails completely. | 19:53 |
| TLoT | even with swig2.0 backported. | 19:53 |
| TLoT | (requirements are newer versions of software than lucid has) | 19:53 |
| TLoT | last time i tested, it'd require pretty much backporting most if not all build-deps from precise/oneiric -> lucid, and that... well... | 19:53 |
| TLoT | can cause issues... | 19:53 |
| micahg | TLoT: upstream codebase looks like it should build... | 19:54 |
| TLoT | (such as interference with other packages, and libraries, and numerous other FTBFS related potential issues) | 19:54 |
| TLoT | micahg: last time i tried backporting it wouldn't work | 19:54 |
| TLoT | and that was... | 19:54 |
| TLoT | oh... | 19:54 |
| TLoT | back when Oneiric just came out. | 19:54 |
| TLoT | s/oneiric/precise/ | 19:54 |
| TLoT | micahg: in the mean time i'm going to mark that bug as invalid (unless you wouldn't mind doing that), but stay subscribed to it. | 19:55 |
| TLoT | micahg: and which upstream codebase're you looking at, 1.0 or 0.206? | 19:56 |
| TLoT | 0.206 is more likely to be backported if i go hacking at the codebase a bit, but 1.0 is... actually quite dependent on newer stuff. | 19:56 |
| micahg | oh, hrm, their README doesn't describe the deps well at all | 19:57 |
| TLoT | micahg: pull the list of deps from a 0.206 package | 19:57 |
| TLoT | i think... um... | 19:57 |
| TLoT | pre-backported for precise and quantal had 0.206 | 19:58 |
| micahg | I was looking at the version in precise backports | 19:58 |
| TLoT | micahg: i'd not EVER request 1.0 to be backported to lucid | 19:59 |
| TLoT | too many... um... "issues" | 19:59 |
| TLoT | since the difference in timeframe is ~3 years of codebase changes and library changes between znc in lucid and znc in precise, as well as build-dep issues | 19:59 |
| TLoT | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/znc/quantal/view/head:/debian/control#L4 <-- | 19:59 |
| TLoT | these are the MINIMUM build deps you'd nneed. | 20:00 |
| TLoT | need* | 20:00 |
| TLoT | and swig2.0 FTBFS if you backport it | 20:00 |
| micahg | TLoT: which isn't a problem is upstream was targeting the lowest common denominator (which they're not) | 20:00 |
| TLoT | (earliest it built on was Natty, and that was a pain to do) | 20:00 |
| TLoT | micahg: and now you know why i think znc on lucid is an idea riddled wtih stupidity | 20:00 |
| TLoT | no offense to the rest of the world, but... | 20:00 |
| TLoT | micahg: and upstream keeps syaing "Why don't they keep Ubuntu up to date with libraries and things?" to which i usually just don't respond to | 20:02 |
| TLoT | since in that respect, debian stable releases and ubuntu releases are similar: they don't really version-upgrade libraries without there being a very good reason for doing so. | 20:03 |
| TLoT | (security or otherwise) | 20:03 |
| TLoT | micahg: and the biggest of all these issues: swig2.0 doesn't exist in Lucid | 20:05 |
| TLoT | and doesn't really backport well | 20:05 |
| TLoT | and has been a build-dep for 0.206 and later | 20:05 |
| TLoT | so ideally two things would need to happen: (1) swig2.0 would need to be backported if possible to lucid, and (2) the bug on "Backports Can't Build-Dep on Backports" needs to be fixed, and that's i think an sbuild/archive-builders issue., | 20:07 |
| TLoT | oh, and (3) debian/control: drop build-dep on swig (to fix a conflicts issue) | 20:07 |
| TLoT | micahg: mind if I quote you in the bug response when i invalid it? | 20:08 |
| micahg | TLoT: sure | 20:10 |
| TLoT | bleh forgot to include your statement. but i paraphrased it and referred to the conversation here. | 20:11 |
| TLoT | micahg: also for reference, this is the backports can't depend on backports bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/888665 | 20:11 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 888665 in Launchpad itself "Backports can't build-depend on other backports" [High,Triaged] | 20:11 |
| TLoT | its been in that state for a few years thus far | 20:12 |
| TLoT | so... | 20:12 |
| TLoT | (seemingly no progress?) | 20:12 |
| micahg | TLoT: I should follow up with infinity on that, he was going to do it, but got blocked again, I'm not quite sure on what | 20:12 |
| TLoT | micahg: i'd LOVE to know the status on that, since it would potentially break backports (not sure if it'd affect lucid, perhaps that should be checked?) | 20:16 |
| TLoT | I'll check back later. | 20:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | i don't even think this is valid... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1097969 | 23:41 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1097969 in Ubuntu "Remina Remote Desktop Client cannot be minimized from fullscreen" [Undecided,New] | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | i don't see Remina in the repos. | 23:41 |
| * TheLordOfTime did an apt-cache search for 'remina' so unless he missed something... | 23:41 | |
| bdmurray | ith as 2 m's | 23:52 |
| TheLordOfTime | bdmurray, it does? | 23:52 |
| bdmurray | er, it has 2 m's | 23:52 |
| bdmurray | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=remmina | 23:52 |
| TheLordOfTime | ah, so it does | 23:52 |
| * TheLordOfTime takes back his initial statement and reassigns the bug to the package | 23:52 | |
| TheLordOfTime | would it hurt to ask them to apport-collect the bug as well? | 23:55 |
| TheLordOfTime | (to gather some info about the package and the system) | 23:55 |
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