dhartI'm looking for the correct place to file a bug. Subject would be "Remove confusing and inconsistent gnome- prefix from executables packaged with Ubuntu". Affects these packages: dpkg -S `locate "bin/gnome-"`07:20
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Teufelcheni keep this bug open as per discussion from some time ago on this channel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/107980115:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 1079801 in mesa (Ubuntu) "applications like Google Earth or Second Life do not work" [Undecided,New]15:53
Teufelchenforgot to add the comment, that i was not able to test install Ubuntu 13.0415:55
Teufelchenokay, updated15:57
Teufelcheni hope the bug report is not annoying due to the number of comments15:58
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TLoTneed someone else on bugcontrol/bugsquad/MOTU to consult with on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/znc/+bug/108839019:50
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1088390 in znc (Ubuntu Lucid) "znc & znc-perl not to load perl module" [Undecided,New]19:50
TLoTaccording to upstream, this is an issue of "Stop trying to build stuff probably written for newer ZNC on older ZNC."19:50
TLoTwhich is pretty non-ubuntu of them to say, but entirely relevant here.19:50
TLoTsuggestions on hwo to proceed with the bug?19:50
micahgTLoT: not a bug, if it was a shipped perl script that would be different19:52
micahgmaybe we can backport the newer znc to lucid?19:52
TLoTmicahg: not possible19:52
TLoTissue is dependent on the "Backports cannot depend on backports" thing19:52
micahgwe should get that fixed19:53
TLoTeven then, i've tried backporting 0.206 to Lucid19:53
TLoTit fails completely.19:53
TLoTeven with swig2.0 backported.19:53
TLoT(requirements are newer versions of software than lucid has)19:53
TLoTlast time i tested, it'd require pretty much backporting most if not all build-deps from precise/oneiric -> lucid, and that... well...19:53
TLoTcan cause issues...19:53
micahgTLoT: upstream codebase looks like it should build...19:54
TLoT(such as interference with other packages, and libraries, and numerous other FTBFS related potential issues)19:54
TLoTmicahg: last time i tried backporting it wouldn't work19:54
TLoTand that was...19:54
TLoTback when Oneiric just came out.19:54
TLoTmicahg: in the mean time i'm going to mark that bug as invalid (unless you wouldn't mind doing that), but stay subscribed to it.19:55
TLoTmicahg: and which upstream codebase're you looking at, 1.0 or 0.206?19:56
TLoT0.206 is more likely to be backported if i go hacking at the codebase a bit, but 1.0 is... actually quite dependent on newer stuff.19:56
micahgoh, hrm, their README doesn't describe the deps well at all19:57
TLoTmicahg: pull the list of deps from a 0.206 package19:57
TLoTi think... um...19:57
TLoTpre-backported for precise and quantal had 0.20619:58
micahgI was looking at the version in precise backports19:58
TLoTmicahg: i'd not EVER request 1.0 to be backported to lucid19:59
TLoTtoo many... um... "issues"19:59
TLoTsince the difference in timeframe is ~3 years of codebase changes and library changes between znc in lucid and znc in precise, as well as build-dep issues19:59
TLoThttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/znc/quantal/view/head:/debian/control#L4  <--19:59
TLoTthese are the MINIMUM build deps you'd nneed.20:00
TLoTand swig2.0 FTBFS if you backport it20:00
micahgTLoT: which isn't a problem is upstream was targeting the lowest common denominator (which they're not)20:00
TLoT(earliest it built on was Natty, and that was a pain to do)20:00
TLoTmicahg: and now you know why i think znc on lucid is an idea riddled wtih stupidity20:00
TLoTno offense to the rest of the world, but...20:00
TLoTmicahg: and upstream keeps syaing "Why don't they keep Ubuntu up to date with libraries and things?" to which i usually just don't respond to20:02
TLoTsince in that respect, debian stable releases and ubuntu releases are similar: they don't really version-upgrade libraries without there being a very good reason for doing so.20:03
TLoT(security or otherwise)20:03
TLoTmicahg: and the biggest of all these issues: swig2.0 doesn't exist in Lucid20:05
TLoTand doesn't really backport well20:05
TLoTand has been a build-dep for 0.206 and later20:05
TLoTso ideally two things would need to happen: (1) swig2.0 would need to be backported if possible to lucid, and (2) the bug on "Backports Can't Build-Dep on Backports" needs to be fixed, and that's i think an sbuild/archive-builders issue.,20:07
TLoToh, and (3) debian/control: drop build-dep on swig (to fix a conflicts issue)20:07
TLoTmicahg: mind if I quote you in the bug response when i invalid it?20:08
micahgTLoT: sure20:10
TLoTbleh forgot to include your statement.  but i paraphrased it and referred to the conversation here.20:11
TLoTmicahg: also for reference, this is the backports can't depend on backports bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/88866520:11
ubot2`Launchpad bug 888665 in Launchpad itself "Backports can't build-depend on other backports" [High,Triaged]20:11
TLoTits been in that state for a few years thus far20:12
TLoT(seemingly no progress?)20:12
micahgTLoT: I should follow up with infinity on that, he was going to do it, but got blocked again, I'm not quite sure on what20:12
TLoTmicahg: i'd LOVE to know the status on that, since it would potentially break backports (not sure if it'd affect lucid, perhaps that should be checked?)20:16
TLoTI'll check back later.20:18
TheLordOfTimei don't even think this is valid... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109796923:41
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1097969 in Ubuntu "Remina Remote Desktop Client cannot be minimized from fullscreen" [Undecided,New]23:41
TheLordOfTimei don't see Remina in the repos.23:41
* TheLordOfTime did an apt-cache search for 'remina' so unless he missed something...23:41
bdmurrayith as 2 m's23:52
TheLordOfTimebdmurray, it does?23:52
bdmurrayer, it has 2 m's23:52
TheLordOfTimeah, so it does23:52
* TheLordOfTime takes back his initial statement and reassigns the bug to the package23:52
TheLordOfTimewould it hurt to ask them to apport-collect the bug as well?23:55
TheLordOfTime(to gather some info about the package and the system)23:55

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