| didrocks | good morning | 06:32 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:34 |
| pitti | Bonjour | 07:35 |
| didrocks | bonjour pitti! c'est à ton tour de te lever tard ;) | 07:37 |
| pitti | didrocks: oui, je ne suis pas très bien | 07:38 |
| pitti | seems my cold came back, after I was already over it | 07:38 |
| larsu | good morning! | 07:40 |
| didrocks | argh, take care pitti :/ | 07:40 |
| didrocks | hey larsu! how are you? | 07:40 |
| larsu | didrocks, good thanks, and you? | 07:40 |
| pitti | hey larsu! | 07:40 |
| larsu | pitti, hi, gute Besserung! | 07:40 |
| didrocks | larsu: I'm fine, thanks! | 07:41 |
| larsu | is there a reason that `update-manager -d` doesn't work? | 07:41 |
| * larsu wants to finally update to R | 07:41 | |
| mvo | larsu: do you have pending updates? | 07:43 |
| larsu | mvo, no | 07:43 |
| mvo | larsu: hm, does do-release-upgrade -d work? | 07:43 |
| pitti | oh, hey mvo, happy new year! | 07:43 |
| mvo | hey pitti, happy new year! | 07:44 |
| larsu | mvo, seems to work, thanks! | 07:44 |
| larsu | and happy new year ;) | 07:45 |
| mvo | cool | 07:45 |
| mvo | and happy new year larsu | 07:45 |
| larsu | thanks :) | 07:45 |
| didrocks | hey mvo! happy new year :-) | 07:52 |
| pitti | RAOF: hey Chris, how are you? | 08:15 |
| RAOF | pitti: Yo! | 08:15 |
| RAOF | pitti: I'm within one standard deviation of my long-term average :) | 08:16 |
| pitti | haha | 08:16 |
| pitti | RAOF: happy new year then! | 08:16 |
| RAOF | pitti: And to you, likewise! | 08:17 |
| pitti | RAOF: and may your health not deviate more than 1.5σ from the expected value :) | 08:17 |
| pitti | RAOF: so I wanted to ask you, do you know how and where X.org detects monitors? | 08:18 |
| pitti | RAOF: I already checked the X.org server itself and its xrandr extension; that doesn't just seem to read sysfs or so; it seems that's the responsibility of the individual device drivers? | 08:18 |
| pitti | RAOF: background is, I want to see whether and to which degree we can simulate monitors in a mock environment, for writing tsts | 08:19 |
| pitti | and tests, too | 08:19 |
| RAOF | The drivers we care about query the kernel. | 08:19 |
| pitti | so I was hoping it would just read syfs, but it doesn't | 08:19 |
| RAOF | Mocking that out is going to require mocking libdrm | 08:19 |
| RAOF | Specifically the handful of ioctls dealing with modesetting. | 08:20 |
| pitti | ah, so they are directly poking the hardware, not reading /sys/class/drm ? | 08:20 |
| RAOF | Correct. | 08:20 |
| pitti | RAOF: intercepting ioctls is already on my table | 08:21 |
| RAOF | You can quirk an edid by writing to the firmware-ish file, but that's not going to help if the output is not detected as connected, or if you want to fake, say, an HDMI output. | 08:21 |
| pitti | xvfb doesn't seem to have xrandr capability, so I guess we need to start the real X.org under some kind of dummy driver | 08:21 |
| pitti | RAOF: so I guess as we have to use a dummy driver anyway, that one coudl just report a set of fake monitors? | 08:22 |
| RAOF | Absolutely. | 08:22 |
| RAOF | That'd be a simple extension to xf86-video-dummy | 08:23 |
| pitti | right, that woudl have been my next question; is xserver-xorg-video-dummy the right driver for this kind of thing? | 08:23 |
| RAOF | ¹: For sufficiently boring boilerplaity values of “simple” | 08:23 |
| RAOF | I would think so, yes; it's pretty much what you're after - a no-hardware fake graphics driver. | 08:24 |
| pitti | do you know if that's sufficiently capable to run unity on? | 08:25 |
| pitti | RAOF: ok, thanks so far; I'll play around with this, see how to start X.org with the dummy driver, and where to plug in RR bits | 08:27 |
| soren | pitti: Funny, I looked into this just last night. What specifically are you wanting to test? | 08:27 |
| RAOF | If unity can run with software rendering it can run on dummy. | 08:27 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh, another question -- how does X.org detect the driver to use? | 08:28 |
| RAOF | Magic! | 08:28 |
| pitti | soren: I have no specific test right now; I want to evaluate how we can set up various "multiple monitor" scenarios and then test xrandr and unity within that | 08:29 |
| RAOF | pitti: It's got a pciid→driver switch statement buried in the bowels of it. | 08:29 |
| pitti | RAOF: right, I meant, does it again do its own hardware poking, or just iterate through /sys or /proc? | 08:29 |
| RAOF | It uses libpcithingamabob; I think that does /sys probing, from memory. | 08:30 |
| pitti | ah, libpciaccess0 | 08:30 |
| RAOF | pitti: This *might* be superceded by the udev code, new in 1.13 (or 1.12); I've not looked at the driver matching code since that landed. | 08:30 |
| RAOF | pitti: Yeah, that one. | 08:30 |
| pitti | splendid, thanks | 08:30 |
| pitti | we can easily mock bits in /sys | 08:31 |
| pitti | soren: so what did you look at? starting X.org with the dummy driver? | 08:31 |
| pitti | RAOF: thanks for your help! | 08:31 |
| soren | pitti: Ok, I can't help much then. I was looking at slightly higher layers, but if you wat to be able to test xrandr itself, that's a different story. | 08:31 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 08:32 |
| pitti | it's a seb! | 08:32 |
| pitti | bonjour mon ami | 08:32 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:32 |
| soren | pitti: I was looking into adding some automatic monitor switching magic to XFCE and wondered how I could test it. | 08:33 |
| pitti | soren: doesn't that also require faking monitors? | 08:33 |
| soren | pitti: Gnome has its own abstraction for it, which should be easily mockable if you just want to test the unity bits. | 08:33 |
| pitti | in libgnome-desktop, yes | 08:33 |
| soren | Right. | 08:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, how are you? | 08:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, lut ;-) | 08:34 |
| pitti | seb128: my cold bounced back, so could be better, but ok for now | 08:34 |
| pitti | how are you? | 08:35 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 08:35 |
| pitti | soren: I thought that would just be a rather straight interface to xrandr | 08:35 |
| soren | pitti: I didn't actually write any code. I just looked at what it would take. I think I'd just have faked the "something changed" event and checked that it used the correct, new config. In unit tests, that is. I suspect you're doing something more integration test-ish? | 08:35 |
| pitti | soren: i. e. no file interface in between which you could intercept? | 08:35 |
| pitti | soren: ah, ok | 08:35 |
| soren | pitti: Both Gnome and XFCE uses the xrandr library. I suppose xrandr must as well. Perhaps that's easier to deal with? | 08:36 |
| pitti | soren: yeah, ideally we could start an X server (with -dummy or even xvfb, but that doesn't seem to work), run unity or gnome-shell or whatever in it, then change the mocked monitors, and verify that it adjusts accordingly | 08:36 |
| pitti | soren: that's the bit I'm currently investigating :) | 08:37 |
| pitti | soren: everything that uses /sys properly to detect hardware is easy to mock | 08:37 |
| pitti | everything that does its own probing with poking ports and ioctls is much harder, of course | 08:37 |
| pitti | but I guess X.org needs to work on more systems than just linux | 08:38 |
| soren | pitti: Oh, what I meant was a mock implementation of libxrandr itself, not the primitives that xrandr uses/manipulates. | 08:38 |
| pitti | ah | 08:38 |
| soren | pitti: I don't know if that'll be more or less work, really. I'm just throwing the idea out there. | 08:38 |
| pitti | soren: well, xrandr itself is pretty shallow | 08:39 |
| pitti | soren: it's little more than poking commands into the X socket | 08:39 |
| pitti | the actual detection and implementation of the commands happens on the driver side | 08:39 |
| pitti | (shallow from the mocking perspective, not from the logic, of cours) | 08:39 |
| soren | Do you mean libxrandr? Or /usr/bin/xrandr ? | 08:40 |
| pitti | both really | 08:40 |
| pitti | on the client side, xrandr has no hardware specific bits | 08:40 |
| soren | Right. | 08:40 |
| pitti | it just talks to the X socket, no to sysfs, ioctls, etc. | 08:41 |
| soren | Right. | 08:41 |
| soren | This seems like a good place to hook in to me. | 08:42 |
| soren | ..but you naturally understand much better what it is that you want to test. :) | 08:42 |
| soren | That saves you completely from having to think about hardware. I like to not think about hardware :) | 08:43 |
| pitti | indeed intercepting it at the X protocol level would be a lot simpler | 08:43 |
| pitti | I'm not actually interested in the sever-side layers; mostly in that applications and the desktop DTRT in various multiple-monitor scenarios | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:01 |
| Laney | hey | 09:02 |
| mvo | hey didrocks, happy new year to you as well! | 09:04 |
| didrocks | thanks ;) | 09:04 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson, Laney | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks, Laney, how are you? | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | hi mvo, happy new year :) | 09:05 |
| Laney | striving away | 09:05 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: good good! yourself? :-) | 09:05 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: regular ping about my thunderbird stalling issue btw :p | 09:05 |
| mvo | hey chrisccoulson! happy new year to you as well :) | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, tired. both daughters decided that they were far too cool to sleep last night | 09:06 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, Laney | 09:07 |
| seb128 | mvo, oh, a mvo! happy new year! | 09:07 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 09:07 | |
| seb128 | mvo, how are you? | 09:07 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: argh ;) | 09:07 |
| mvo | seb128: !!! happy new year | 09:07 |
| * mvo hugs seb128 | 09:07 | |
| mvo | seb128: I'm good, thanks, all very new, like I get up at 6 in the morning and commute to a office, a really strange experience. but I can hack on the train, so thats great | 09:08 |
| didrocks | mvo: how far are you from the university? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | mvo, 6, man ... I decided to try to start working at reasonable time and be at the computer at 9am so I wake up between 8 and 9 and I already find that difficult :p | 09:09 |
| mvo | didrocks: its about ~35min by train plus a short bus trip | 09:09 |
| didrocks | seems reasonable :) | 09:09 |
| mvo | seb128: haha | 09:09 |
| mvo | didrocks: yeah, its not too bad | 09:09 |
| mvo | didrocks: but quite a change | 09:09 |
| didrocks | yeah, I can imagine :) | 09:09 |
| Laney | seeing /real people/! | 09:10 |
| didrocks | Laney: do they exist? I keep hearing from that, but never conducted that to facts | 09:10 |
| mvo | Laney: yes! out of my cave. I wasn't aware of how many people there are actually in the real -world ;) | 09:10 |
| mvo | didrocks: I have empiric evidence of that now! at least here in my part of the world they do exist :) | 09:11 |
| didrocks | 10:05:56 didrocks | chrisccoulson: regular ping about my thunderbird stalling issue btw :p | 09:11 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I think you missed it ^ | 09:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, see, they were right when they put you in the "dog" category back then (was it in plymouth?) ... you like people after all ;-) | 09:11 |
| didrocks | mvo: waow! amazing :-) | 09:11 |
| didrocks | should be a German-only thing. I refuse to believe it! :-) | 09:11 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, i've not looked at any thunderbird stuff since i got back ;) | 09:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (thanks to firefox bugs) | 09:12 |
| mvo | seb128: lol | 09:12 |
| mvo | seb128: indeed, I think that was around the plymouth time - the funny thing is that my first thought about plymouth was the bootscreen, not the conference we had there :P | 09:12 |
| chrisccoulson | mvo, i don't believe real people exist. you must provide evidence :) | 09:13 |
| Laney | they're the people that bring my internet shopping deliveries, right? | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | actually, i think i saw a person walk past my window one day | 09:13 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: haha, I can take pictures from the cafeteria - there are two kinds, man *and* woman | 09:14 |
| mvo | Laney: lol | 09:14 |
| seb128 | mvo, lol, same here, I had to check on google if that spelling for the city was the same :p | 09:16 |
| mvo | unity is crashing btw on my dual monitor fglrx setup :P but I will look into that later, gtg | 09:21 |
| pitti | RAOF: hm, is there a replacement for -nohwaccess ? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Rootless) | 10:07 |
| pitti | RAOF: nevermind, apparently not needed with using the dummy driver | 10:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: do you happen to know whether it's possible to run two unitys at the same time as an user/ | 10:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: I tried "DISPLAY=:1 dbus-launch unity", and while that works, that still kills/restarts my "main" unity | 10:26 |
| didrocks | pitti: hum, I doubt it, first compiz is checking there is no other window compositor running | 10:26 |
| pitti | DISPLAY=:1 compiz seems to work fine | 10:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: well, my real session is on display :0 | 10:26 |
| didrocks | ah, another DISPLAY | 10:26 |
| pitti | I tried the dbus-launch, but that doesn't seem to help either | 10:26 |
| didrocks | you have some services that you will need to dbus-launch as well | 10:27 |
| didrocks | but that shouldn't kill as it happens for you here | 10:27 |
| didrocks | Window currentWmSnOwner = XGetSelectionOwner (dpy, wmSnAtom); | 10:28 |
| didrocks | this is the detection of the other compiz running | 10:28 |
| didrocks | it seems to be per dpy | 10:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you know if at least, compiz is trying to load its plugin? | 10:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: they actually do run in parallel, just that the original compiz restarts | 10:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, that all seems to work fine | 10:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: well, unity is running --replace by default | 10:29 |
| pitti | DISPLAY=:1 compiz | 10:29 |
| pitti | flawless even with the same dbus | 10:29 |
| didrocks | even ok, so it's really unity, I don't see any reason off hand | 10:30 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok, nevermind; not a biggie for now | 10:30 |
| didrocks | but as you are stealing the unity-panel-service dbus connection, maybe that impact | 10:30 |
| didrocks | (it's dbus activated, so you need 2 of them) | 10:30 |
| pitti | that was my first guess, but with dbus-launch it has its own private bus | 10:30 |
| didrocks | oh right, so you have a second one running spawn by the second bus | 10:31 |
| didrocks | hum | 10:31 |
| pitti | anyway, my main exercise was to run unity under an user X.org with the dummy driver, which seems to work | 10:31 |
| didrocks | sweet :) | 10:31 |
| pitti | I'll try to do a screenshot | 10:32 |
| didrocks | that would be interesting :) | 10:32 |
| pitti | awesome, that works nicely | 10:38 |
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| didrocks | Laney: do you want to have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~logan/ubuntu/raring/gst-plugins-good1.0/debian-merge/+merge/141136? | 10:56 |
| didrocks | as you won the privilege to be the gst maintainer :) | 10:57 |
| * Laney screams | 10:57 | |
| Laney | yeah, sure :P | 10:57 |
| didrocks | Laney: webkit, gst, what would be next? :p | 10:57 |
| didrocks | will* | 10:57 |
| didrocks | thanks Laney ;) | 10:57 |
| smspillaz | desrt: hey you about ? | 10:58 |
| smspillaz | desrt: I'm generating an introspection binary and it hangs on my_thing_get_type () inside of g_once_init_enter, was wondering if there's an obvious solution that I missed | 10:59 |
| xclaesse | seb128, is it possible to upload devhelp 3.6.1 in quantal? | 11:01 |
| xclaesse | seb128, it fix an annoying bug that I cannot do ctr-c to copy text | 11:01 |
| xclaesse | IIRC that's the only fix in .1 release | 11:02 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, you pinged me about that in december | 11:02 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, I got it uploaded: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devhelp/3.6.1-0ubuntu0.1 | 11:02 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, it didn't go from proposed to updates because nobody confirmed that the bug is fixed, if you want to do it please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devhelp/+bug/1079694 | 11:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1079694 in devhelp (Ubuntu Quantal) "3.6.1 stable update, fix ctrl-C copy" [Low,Fix committed] | 11:02 |
| xclaesse | seb128, ahhh, ok. I though you forgot about it :) | 11:03 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, ;-) | 11:03 |
| xclaesse | seb128, ok I'll test that right now | 11:03 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, just enable quantal-proposed and get it from there | 11:03 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, thanks | 11:04 |
| xclaesse | seb128, cannot get to software source settings | 11:14 |
| xclaesse | it does nothing when I click on it | 11:14 |
| xclaesse | seb128, I tried to just dpkg -i the deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devhelp/3.6.1-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4024122 but it's missing -common package | 11:15 |
| xclaesse | seb128, http://pastebin.com/qbD1ALKD | 11:21 |
| xclaesse | python3.... | 11:21 |
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| * Laney requests the Archive Gods consider promotion of farstream-0.2 | 12:20 | |
| Laney | requires gstreamer1.0-nice too | 12:20 |
| Mirv | I wonder if anyone has tested grilo yet? related to bug #1035701 | 12:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1035701 in totem (Ubuntu) "grilo plugins should be enabled in Totem" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035701 | 12:59 |
| Mirv | I've found myself missing UPnP/DLNA support | 12:59 |
| Mirv | just a mental note partly to myself... | 13:00 |
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| tjaalton | requesting a new merge of cairo, with the egl backend enabled | 13:21 |
| tjaalton | it's been enabled on debian all the time, no mention on the changelog why it's disabled on ubuntu | 13:22 |
| tjaalton | weston would like to have it | 13:22 |
| tjaalton | ok, ricotz explained why :) | 13:23 |
| * Sweetshark is churning away on precise patches ... | 13:25 | |
| ricotz | Laney, hi | 13:26 |
| ricotz | Laney, while you were looking into enabling wayland-backend, would it be much trouble if you add --enable-broadway-backend too (gdk lib size will increase by like 90kb) | 13:27 |
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| ricotz | Laney, be aware of the backend default choice which might need to be patch in 3.6.x | 13:28 |
| larsu | attente, good morning | 13:35 |
| attente | larsu, hi | 13:35 |
| larsu | attente, I can't reproduce your crash :) | 13:35 |
| larsu | but I do get the same warning about the handler id | 13:35 |
| larsu | anything specific I need to do to trigger it? | 13:36 |
| attente | the warning itself is the crash | 13:36 |
| attente | totally kills it for me | 13:36 |
| larsu | interesting. Are you running with G_DEBUG=fatal-warnings or something? | 13:36 |
| larsu | it just continues running for me | 13:36 |
| attente | do the menus work for you? | 13:37 |
| larsu | yes, except for the emoticon menu | 13:37 |
| larsu | I guess because they are custom widgets? | 13:37 |
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| attente | probably | 13:37 |
| larsu | actually the menu works, but the images aren't displayed | 13:39 |
| attente | is there a G_MENU_ATTRIBUTE for menu item images? | 13:40 |
| larsu | not upstream, no. We've been using x-canonical-icon for the indicators, but that probably doesn't work yet for the appmenu | 13:40 |
| larsu | by the way: what are you patching in indicator-appmenu? | 13:41 |
| attente | it's just an extra action group with the "unity." namespace | 13:41 |
| larsu | ah, good idea | 13:41 |
| attente | so that we don't have to go through the trouble of grabbing the old action group and merging it into ours | 13:41 |
| larsu | makes sense. And the action names are simply the labels of the menu items? | 13:42 |
| attente | all desrt's idea | 13:42 |
| attente | in general, yes | 13:42 |
| attente | but if a GtkAction is available, we use that instead | 13:42 |
| larsu | wow, this thing is much cleverer than I thought :) | 13:43 |
| larsu | hm, that warning appears (twice) when I receive a message. But not every time... | 13:43 |
| attente | haha, it's been in the works for a long time now, so i would hope so... | 13:44 |
| attente | anyways, i'm still trying to fix the package again... | 13:45 |
| * Sweetshark is down to 5 patches for precise backports. | 14:09 | |
| ritz | seb128 heya, sorry for the delay. done - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1026442 | 14:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1026442 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "Buddy pounce - send message window too short" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:19 |
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| smspillaz | y | 14:37 |
| smspillaz | whoops :) | 14:37 |
| seb128 | ritz, hey, ok, thanks | 14:41 |
| seb128 | attente, hey, need packaging help there? | 14:41 |
| attente | seb128, things seem to be working fine here, but thanks :) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | great, well done! | 14:43 |
| larsu | attente, this bug is super tricky :-/ | 14:43 |
| ritz | seb128 is it fine if I post the SRU notes to priv lp | 14:43 |
| ritz | or this has to be to pub lp | 14:43 |
| larsu | empathy does some crazy stuff with that menu (it's the Contact menu), but it appears like it's nothing illegal :) | 14:44 |
| attente | larsu yeah... don't worry about it too much... | 14:44 |
| attente | larsu: what is it doing exactly? | 14:44 |
| seb128 | ritz, better public, otherwise the SRU team and the verification team will not be able to read those | 14:44 |
| ritz | okay, cool | 14:45 |
| larsu | attente, it sets the submenu for the contact, a qdata (that it doesn't seem to use) and connects to notify::visible for no apparent reason | 14:46 |
| larsu | attente, http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/tree/src/empathy-chat-window.c#n603 | 14:46 |
| larsu | attente, I tried creating the same circumstances from a test script, but didn't manage to get the same warning | 14:47 |
| attente | larsu, your test script also switches the submenu? | 14:50 |
| larsu | attente, yes | 14:50 |
| attente | huh. | 14:50 |
| gQuigs | hello there | 14:51 |
| gQuigs | anyone know what the status of the LibreOffice ppa is? | 14:51 |
| gQuigs | it looks like 3.6.1-rc2 never got built, and hasn't been updated since | 14:52 |
| gQuigs | https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise | 14:52 |
| seb128 | gQuigs, hey, check with Sweetshark, he's maintaining libreoffice for Ubuntu | 14:54 |
| gQuigs | thanks seb128, ping Sweetshark | 14:54 |
| Sweetshark | pong | 14:55 |
| Sweetshark | gQuigs: you have 5 minutes, then Ill be in a TDF board of directors call | 14:55 |
| Sweetshark | ;) | 14:55 |
| Sweetshark | eh, tricky. first writing the content, then the ping. | 14:56 |
| gQuigs | thanks Sweetshark, I was just wondering what the status of the PPA is?.. it looks like 3.6.1-rc2 failed in someway | 14:56 |
| Sweetshark | yes, it seems ricotz did that. I asked him to always build in a separate ppa, but IIRC he ignored that here because it was the first 3.6 upload. | 14:58 |
| Sweetshark | still would have been better | 14:58 |
| * Sweetshark checks the buildlog | 14:59 | |
| Sweetshark | seems like there are deps missing on precise. for the specific one a first workaround would be to disable the mediawiki extenion to be build. | 15:00 |
| Sweetshark | gQuigs: https://launchpad.net/~bdcomp <- he is currently working on backporting LO to precise, but he still has a lot to learn, so it still might take a while. | 15:01 |
| Sweetshark | anyway: gone for now, call ;) | 15:01 |
| gQuigs | Sweetshark: thanks! | 15:02 |
| Sweetshark | fscking timezone, was off the mark by one hour. anyway, I think you got what you needed for a start ;) | 15:04 |
| Sweetshark | gQuigs: https://launchpad.net/~bdcomp/+archive/backports/+packages <- there is a package building in there. note the big, fat "DO NOT USE IT" on the ppa though ;) | 15:06 |
| gQuigs | I did notice that... :) | 15:07 |
| larsu | attente, something tries to disconnect the handler twice. This might mean we have a circular menu structure somewhere... | 15:09 |
| attente | ok | 15:09 |
| attente | but the handler is on the UnityGtkMenuShell, right? | 15:10 |
| attente | not the GtkMenuShell, i believe | 15:10 |
| attente | er... sorry | 15:11 |
| larsu | yes, UnityGtkMenuShell is the GMenuModel, right? | 15:11 |
| attente | right, but actually the exported version of that | 15:11 |
| larsu | yes | 15:11 |
| attente | i'm just fixing that non-portable linking warning right now | 15:13 |
| larsu | attente, actually, the handler is on a UnityGtkMenuSection | 15:13 |
| larsu | oh, wait, I think I'm mistaken: the handler isn't disconnected twice | 15:14 |
| larsu | I got confused by dual debug printfs :) | 15:14 |
| attente | hehe | 15:14 |
| larsu | attente, so its much easier than this... just a object_unref too many. The question is: where? :P | 15:22 |
| attente | larsu, could it just be that the section is disappearing without the disconnect code knowing about it? | 15:23 |
| larsu | attente, well, the disconnect code has a reference on it, so it shouldn't disappear | 15:24 |
| larsu | but it definitely does, I put a weak ref on it | 15:24 |
| attente | :S | 15:24 |
| larsu | ya | 15:24 |
| larsu | :) | 15:24 |
| attente | ok, haha, thanks :) | 15:24 |
| larsu | attente, got it. | 15:39 |
| larsu | phew | 15:39 |
| Laney | seb128 / didrocks: Direct ping regarding the ^^^ promotion request ;-) farstream-0.2 (source) and gstreamer1.0-nice (binary from source already in main) | 15:39 |
| Laney | if you have time | 15:39 |
| attente | larsu: what was it? | 15:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, didrocks: can do | 15:39 |
| seb128 | looking | 15:39 |
| Laney | merci | 15:39 |
| seb128 | de rien, sorry for missing it earlier | 15:39 |
| didrocks | thanks seb128 :) | 15:39 |
| seb128 | yw ;-) | 15:39 |
| larsu | attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1513350/ | 15:40 |
| larsu | ah wait, that's your own function | 15:40 |
| larsu | Your log says "Run dispose to break cycles." | 15:41 |
| seb128 | Laney, done | 15:41 |
| Laney | great | 15:41 |
| Laney | will upload empathy when that publishes then | 15:42 |
| larsu | attente, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't call g_object_run_dispose in this case | 15:42 |
| larsu | but it's a question for desrt, really | 15:42 |
| larsu | do you remember which problem this solved? | 15:42 |
| attente | larsu, i added that to break the ref cycle between shell and section when the section disappears | 15:43 |
| attente | or is supposed to disappear | 15:43 |
| larsu | hm, I'm not sure I know enough about your code to give good advice here :) | 15:44 |
| attente | but i thought the problem was that g_object_unref was getting called too many times | 15:44 |
| attente | but if the fix works, you're probably right | 15:45 |
| larsu | attente, hm. I'm not sure I fully understand it yet | 15:50 |
| larsu | (after what you just said) | 15:50 |
| attente | actually, i'm having a hard time understanding why it would fix the problem too... | 15:50 |
| desrt | smspillaz: using only DEFINE_TYPE macros? | 15:55 |
| desrt | smspillaz: doing anything odd from class_init() functions? | 15:55 |
| desrt | if you're using the stock get_type() from G_DEFINE_TYPE then the usual cause of this is that you're doing something bad in some sort of class_init | 15:55 |
| larsu | desrt, are weak refs notified on dispose? | 15:56 |
| desrt | otherwise, it could be an obscure race that I know we have in multi-threaded situations... would be strange to see that in the go-i scanner, though | 15:56 |
| desrt | unless, as above, you're calling weird stuff from class_init() :) | 15:56 |
| larsu | desrt, as in, if attente calls g_object_dispose manually, will weak refs be notified? | 15:56 |
| desrt | larsu: yes and no | 15:56 |
| desrt | larsu: no. | 15:56 |
| desrt | but they are notified before dispose() is called automatically after the last ref drops | 15:56 |
| larsu | I have a stack trace that looks like it | 15:56 |
| larsu | hm, weird | 15:56 |
| desrt | well | 15:56 |
| desrt | dispose() often results in the handler calling unref() on a lot of stuff | 15:57 |
| desrt | which in turn could obviously cause a weak notify | 15:57 |
| larsu | yeah but it's on the same object | 15:57 |
| desrt | hmm | 15:57 |
| desrt | odd | 15:57 |
| larsu | cycles? | 15:57 |
| desrt | i doubt it | 15:58 |
| desrt | read the trace... | 15:58 |
| desrt | then read the source :) | 15:58 |
| larsu | ya | 15:58 |
| larsu | desrt, in any case, running dispose manually is probably not a good idea, is it? | 15:59 |
| larsu | I mean, what if other objects still have references... | 15:59 |
| desrt | in my opinion dispose is completely stupid | 15:59 |
| larsu | I know | 15:59 |
| larsu | but that doesn't answer my question :) | 15:59 |
| attente | running dispose is supposed to be an idempotent operation, right? | 16:03 |
| larsu | yes | 16:03 |
| attente | desrt, want to meet an old friend for lunch today? | 16:11 |
| desrt | is he swiss? | 16:12 |
| attente | no, that's on the 19th, btw | 16:12 |
| desrt | cool :) | 16:12 |
| desrt | i'm probably up for it as long as the location is reasonable | 16:13 |
| desrt | although it would probably be nice to know who it is first | 16:13 |
| attente | mehdi | 16:13 |
| attente | king and bay | 16:13 |
| desrt | for sure | 16:13 |
| attente | 12:30 | 16:13 |
| attente | sorry about the short notice | 16:13 |
| desrt | i still have a sworn pact to murder the two of you for what you did to the se3f03 course webpage | 16:13 |
| attente | hahah | 16:14 |
| desrt | it will be very convenient to see both of you in one spot | 16:14 |
| === pitti is now known as sabdfl | ||
| desrt | well... this is an interesting development | 16:21 |
| === sabdfl is now known as pitti | ||
| dobey | seb128, didrocks: hey, just replied on bug #1047606 ; do i need to fix and attach new files to the bug, or wait until it's accepted and just upload a new revision? | 16:33 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1047606 in Ubuntu Raring "[needs-packaging] ubuntuone-client-data" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047606 | 16:33 |
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| seb128 | dobey, new revision will do | 16:38 |
| larsu | attente, sorry, I was distracted for a bit, but I have the real solution | 16:49 |
| larsu | for which I had to go into gobject.c | 16:49 |
| larsu | not nice | 16:49 |
| attente | what is it? | 16:50 |
| larsu | so g_object_dispose calls g_signal_handlers_destroy | 16:50 |
| larsu | pretty simple :) | 16:50 |
| larsu | I think the real fix here is to not call dispose. If you're worried about cyclic references, use a weak ref on one side | 16:51 |
| attente | huh, ok, i'll give it a shot :) | 16:52 |
| larsu | or no reference, if you can be sure that the section's shell pointer is only valid as long as the shell also has a ref on the section | 16:52 |
| larsu | the latter is probably the easier solution in your case | 16:52 |
| larsu | the same goes for "items" btw, dispose is called on them too | 16:52 |
| attente | larsu, i think you're right, there's no reason for these to have a strong reference to their parents, no reason i can remember right now at least | 16:54 |
| attente | larsu, thanks for your help once again :) | 16:55 |
| larsu | attente, no problem :) | 16:55 |
| desrt | attente: good general rule: don't call dispose | 17:05 |
| desrt | if you're trying to do that you're probably trying to do something wrong | 17:05 |
| attente | desrt: is there a proper way to break a ref cycle without using dispose? | 17:07 |
| desrt | don't create the cycle | 17:07 |
| attente | lesson learned | 17:08 |
| attente | :) | 17:08 |
| desrt | attente: seriously, though | 17:28 |
| desrt | reference cycles are an annoying hazard of refcounted OO (which you're surely aware of from your obj-C upbringing) | 17:29 |
| desrt | techniques used to break them are workarounds and it's usually possible to just avoid the cycle in the first place | 17:29 |
| desrt | through more careful design of your object relationships | 17:29 |
| desrt | i often find when i'm in a situation where A depends on B and B depends on A then at least one of them could be split into two separate classes (let's split B into B and B2) such that B depends on A and B2 and A depends only on B2 (ie: B is the public-facing part and B2 is some internal utility) | 17:31 |
| desrt | that way B2 stays for as long as either A or B are around but safely goes away when both are gone, and there are no cycles | 17:31 |
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| cyphermox | is it supposed to be best to put .vapi files under the versioned /usr/share/vala-0.XX/vapi/ or the unversioned directory /usr/share/vala/vapi/ ? | 18:24 |
| ricotz | cyphermox, unversioned | 18:34 |
| ricotz | cyphermox, the versioned directory is exclusive for the vapis shipped with vala itself | 18:35 |
| cyphermox | ack | 18:35 |
| cyphermox | is that described anywhere in policy or something? because it's not really obvious | 18:36 |
| ricotz | not sure if it is written somewhere, but it is common sense for upstream shipped bindings | 18:37 |
| bcurtiswx | AlanBell, who am i supposed to talk with about getting meetingology in loco channels ? you're the person who set the topic as nobody else seems to ever exist in the scribes channel | 19:12 |
| AlanBell | bcurtiswx: what channel? | 19:14 |
| bcurtiswx | AlanBell, #ubuntu-us-dc | 19:15 |
| AlanBell | done | 19:15 |
| bcurtiswx | AlanBell, thanks :) | 19:15 |
| AlanBell | np | 19:15 |
| * didrocks finished to debug something, time for evening! | 19:22 | |
| bcurtiswx | nite didrocks | 19:22 |
| didrocks | bye bcurtiswx ;) | 19:22 |
| ricotz | jbicha, hi :) | 19:39 |
| ricotz | syncing harfbuzz leads to some problems while graphite2 isnt multiarched :\ | 19:39 |
| ricotz | i guess graphite2 should be synced from exp too (isnt multiarched yet though) | 19:43 |
| jbicha | ricotz: ok, the exp. graphite2 has a soname bump so maybe we should just wait for multiarch? | 20:27 |
| jbicha | are you actually using harfbuzz for anything yet? | 20:29 |
| ricotz | jbicha, syncing and transitioning it doesnt interfere with a later multiarch enablement | 20:35 |
| ricotz | jbicha, yes, the new pango uses it | 20:35 |
| ricotz | so does the whole gnome stack therefore | 20:36 |
| micahg | ricotz: well, it's potentially rebuilding the reverse dependencies twice | 20:37 |
| ricotz | micahg, hmm, i dont think so | 20:37 |
| ricotz | but multiarch first is fine too | 20:38 |
| micahg | oh, is graphite2 already multiarched? | 20:38 |
| ricotz | no | 20:38 |
| micahg | right, so, the SONAME bump is one rebuild, and multiarching is potentially another depending on what paths are used where | 20:38 |
| ricotz | micahg, the library look up shouldn't break when it is moved from "lib" to "lib/.../" | 20:40 |
| ricotz | or does it | 20:40 |
| ricotz | ? | 20:40 |
| micahg | ricotz: that depends on what the package is doing during build (binaries might continue to work, but the package might FTBFS) | 20:41 |
| ricotz | i see | 20:42 |
| micahg | binaries could break as well if it's doing something silly like manually checking paths | 20:42 |
| ricotz | alright | 20:42 |
| jbicha | ricotz: harfbuzz is still optional for latest pango, right? | 20:45 |
| ricotz | jbicha, no, hard dep | 20:47 |
| ricotz | https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+sourcepub/2919028/+listing-archive-extra | 20:48 |
| ricotz | jbicha, ^ | 20:48 |
| jbicha | are we going to try for pango 1.32 in raring? | 20:49 |
| ricotz | in gnome3-staging at least since it is a hard-dep of gtk+ | 20:49 |
| bcurtiswx | interesting, todays removal of libat4 wants to remove skype | 21:09 |
| bcurtiswx | libqt4* | 21:09 |
| bcurtiswx | well, nix that all the i386 parts of qt4 | 21:10 |
| chrisccoulson_ | lol @ bug 1097940 | 21:13 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1097940 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "gsettings" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1097940 | 21:13 |
| jbicha | ricotz: actually that package built fine if I removed libharfbuz-dev from the build-depends | 21:14 |
| ricotz | jbicha, hmm, i doubt that | 21:25 |
| ricotz | the ppa package adds back the x backend to preserve backwards compat | 21:26 |
| ricotz | try to disable the "readd_pangox.patch" | 21:26 |
| ricotz | the build should fail badly anyway | 21:28 |
| jbicha | ricotz: some day you might do changelogs ;) | 21:31 |
| ricotz | i know :\ | 21:32 |
| ricotz | jbicha, btw, the chances are good gjs will need mozjs 1.8.8 if we see a release | 21:33 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson_, hi ^ | 21:33 |
| jbicha | ricotz: ok, for raring we'll be stuck with gnome-shell 3.6 since gnome-control-center/settings-daemon 3.8 won't be ready for the gnome3 ppa | 21:34 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson_, not sure if you are following the js-standalone hassle, but i was looking into snapshots from the ESR17 branch https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/2909894/+listing-archive-extra | 21:35 |
| ricotz | jbicha, yeah, that was foreseeable, that is what gnome3-ppa is for ;) | 21:35 |
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| desrt | blehhhh | 22:31 |
| desrt | yay for dentists | 22:31 |
| attente | cavities? | 22:31 |
| desrt | ya | 22:31 |
| desrt | well, only one | 22:31 |
| attente | pretty good | 22:32 |
| desrt | first one in as long as i can remember -- more or less since my early teens, i think | 22:32 |
| desrt | maybe even longer | 22:32 |
| attente | haven't been to one in a year and a half | 22:32 |
| desrt | i hadn't gone in a very very long time | 22:32 |
| desrt | but apparently my obsessive brushing/flossing paid off in that time | 22:33 |
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