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| cprofitt | balloons: you on? | 01:48 |
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| balloons | cprofitt, you caught me | 01:48 |
| * balloons is reading | 01:48 | |
| cprofitt | awesome... sorry it is so late | 01:49 |
| balloons | no worries | 01:49 |
| cprofitt | so, what does a maintainer do? | 01:49 |
| balloons | ok, so on the friendly stuff, there was dev team who built checkbox and maintained the site | 01:49 |
| * cprofitt nods | 01:49 | |
| balloons | now, there is noone to maintain the site | 01:50 |
| balloons | although, there are folks working on checkbox it seems ;-) | 01:50 |
| balloons | so, from that perspective, I believe uf is written in.. heck I can't remember | 01:50 |
| cprofitt | so it would involve maintaining the website? | 01:50 |
| balloons | but it is a codebase of some sort | 01:50 |
| balloons | so there would be some development effort, no matter how small or trivial | 01:50 |
| balloons | you would need to keep the site up, secure hosting, make enhancements and updates, etc | 01:51 |
| * cprofitt nods | 01:51 | |
| cprofitt | I assume some sort of database backend as well | 01:51 |
| balloons | sure sure | 01:51 |
| cprofitt | well... my last real coding was with asp.net and c# | 01:52 |
| balloons | so, if you were to create a team to help do this, the previous maintainers I believe are willing to help you out | 01:52 |
| balloons | to the extent possible | 01:52 |
| * cprofitt nods | 01:52 | |
| balloons | they may or may not be around to help. | 01:52 |
| balloons | regardless, they are keen to see it continue | 01:53 |
| cprofitt | I would certainly be willing to attempt it -- would like to get more information on the framework and toolset | 01:53 |
| cprofitt | I believe ara was one of the key people before... | 01:53 |
| cprofitt | and I know she would like to see it continue as well. | 01:53 |
| cprofitt | so what would the next step be? | 01:55 |
| balloons | yes, ara and I have spoken in the past several times | 01:55 |
| balloons | and your not the only one who | 01:55 |
| balloons | s mentioned being interested | 01:55 |
| balloons | so we should get all of your together :-) | 01:56 |
| cprofitt | cool... we should get all of us together... I am interested in seeing it succeed and would really like to assist in that effort | 01:56 |
| balloons | I'll add it to my list to send a mail out to all of you | 01:56 |
| cprofitt | but being part of a team with someone who has a littl emore experience with the framework would be ideal imho | 01:56 |
| balloons | yes, not sure what it is | 01:57 |
| balloons | but I think it should work out fine | 01:57 |
| cprofitt | cool... I am sure it will work out fine | 01:57 |
| balloons | I don't think you'd have an issue | 01:57 |
| balloons | excellent | 01:57 |
| cprofitt | thanks... I am often cautious | 01:57 |
| cprofitt | I never want to let others down | 01:57 |
| cprofitt | thanks, keep me posted balloons | 01:58 |
| cprofitt | I will try to blog about this as well. | 01:59 |
| balloons | cprofitt, I think it would be in good hands to have you watching after it :-) | 01:59 |
| cprofitt | thanks | 02:00 |
| cprofitt | I certianly want to see it help bring more users to ubuntu | 02:00 |
| jibel | Good morning | 08:31 |
| pitti | bonjour jibel | 08:32 |
| jibel | guten morgen pitti | 08:32 |
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| psivaa | bdmurray: hello, i have seen bug 1096014 for the second time in a week in the auto upgrade testing (using do-release-upgrade). just wondering if it could be looked at? | 17:39 |
| ubot5 | bug 1096014 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""SystemError: E:Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-minimal'" message during i386 lucid-precise upgrade of universe packages" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096014 | 17:39 |
| bdmurray | psivaa: I'll have a look | 18:01 |
| psivaa | bdmurray: thanks | 18:01 |
| bdmurray | psivaa: I wonder if this has something to do with it | 18:09 |
| bdmurray | 2013-01-03 22:43:54,474 ERROR IOError in cache.commit(): 'Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eclipse/eclipse-pde_3.7.2-1_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 18:09 |
| bdmurray | the Hash Sum mismatch message repeats for almost every package | 18:09 |
| bdmurray | er, or Bad Header line | 18:09 |
| psivaa | bdmurray: both runs have the above error you pointed out | 18:13 |
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| bdmurray | psivaa: that error might occur due to a networking or hardware issue | 18:15 |
| psivaa | bdmurray: ohh ok, not sure what triggered this now. but if you want me to keep watching it for some more runs i could | 18:16 |
| dkessel | i cannot get retraces from the apport retracing service because packages update too often at the moment :( | 19:04 |
| balloons | :-( | 19:12 |
| balloons | might be fixing it | 19:12 |
| dkessel | i doubt it :) ah well.. i'll try again and see what the retracing system tells me tomorrow morning :) | 19:14 |
| dkessel | wow - that "apport" user really has a lot of karma on launchpad :D | 19:18 |
| dkessel | here comes another chromium crash... | 19:19 |
| dkessel | balloons, add me to the people to mail because of ubuntu friendly | 19:29 |
| dkessel | i am interested too | 19:29 |
| balloons | dkessel, sure thing | 19:31 |
| phillw | Noskcaj: how is the support for mini-iso going for test-drive ? | 20:10 |
| Noskcaj | phillw, i am still incapable of getting the "other" tab to work, and i haven't heard of anything happening | 20:11 |
| phillw | what was the bug number ? | 20:12 |
| Noskcaj | one sec | 20:15 |
| Noskcaj | bug 1079259, bug 1094804, bug 1094997, bug 1095432, bug 1077158. the final one is netboot. | 20:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1079259 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "not lintian clean" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079259 | 20:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1094804 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "iso's from outside testdrive always open in QEMU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094804 | 20:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1094997 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "Testdrive-cli only supports ubuntu and ubuntu-server by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094997 | 20:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1095432 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "powerpc should be included in testdrive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095432 | 20:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1077158 in TestDrive "Testdrive should have a netboot repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077158 | 20:17 |
| Noskcaj | thanks ubot5 | 20:17 |
| phillw | Noskcaj: does the server iso work? | 20:18 |
| Noskcaj | i don't know, never used it | 20:18 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, sorry for yesterday couldn't do much :( | 20:19 |
| phillw | Noskcaj: could you please try it? It is the next least smallest iso that does not have GUI on and is distro indepenent | 20:19 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, I had a look ad the evince autopilot test you modified, looks good | 20:20 |
| Noskcaj | ok, i shall download the amd64 version now | 20:20 |
| Noskcaj | while it downloads, i have some bugs that i need to confirm the fix for | 20:21 |
| phillw | install it with nothing else added. | 20:21 |
| phillw | it is CD sized, but any *buntu-desktop can be added to it. | 20:21 |
| Noskcaj | ok, it's fine for it to be in a VM? | 20:22 |
| phillw | indeed, but I want to see if it works under testdrive | 20:23 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 20:23 |
| Noskcaj | the dpwnload is 13% | 20:23 |
| Noskcaj | *download | 20:23 |
| Noskcaj | btw, have a look at how buggy edubuntu is, its ridiculous | 20:24 |
| balloons | letozaf_, good, I take it it's working then ;-) | 20:24 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, yes | 20:24 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, but I cannot understand how the improvements made work | 20:25 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, can I use them to improve the other tests ? or the evince one ? | 20:25 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, do I have to wait? | 20:25 |
| balloons | what do you mean? | 20:25 |
| balloons | sorry, I got a bit lost in that | 20:26 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, you guys were talking about a tool "autopilot vis" and an "autopilot launch xxxx" | 20:26 |
| thomi | FYI, 'autopilot launch' is now packaged in the autopilot PPA | 20:27 |
| balloons | ahh yes | 20:27 |
| balloons | well, as thomi said the nice autopilot launch feature is done | 20:27 |
| letozaf_ | thomi, thanks | 20:28 |
| balloons | it's used for introspection | 20:28 |
| balloons | so yes.. basically it will allow us to do some of the things we couldn't before | 20:28 |
| balloons | best to talk in test specifics probably | 20:28 |
| balloons | but you can see where I started modifying the gedit test | 20:29 |
| balloons | some of it is checked in | 20:29 |
| letozaf_ | but can I get the autopilot launch from the PPA and start helping ? | 20:29 |
| Noskcaj | can someone confirm bug 1088054, bug 1087409 and bug 1087848? | 20:30 |
| ubot5 | bug 1088054 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Release notes firefox has no "minimise, maximise, close" buttons" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1088054 | 20:30 |
| ubot5 | bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "*buntu dailys take 3 minutes to get to the next screen if install mp3 is selected." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087409 | 20:30 |
| ubot5 | bug 1087848 in lubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "no login background lubuntu daily 13.04 Vbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087848 | 20:30 |
| letozaf_ | or do I just carry on helping as before ? | 20:30 |
| * Noskcaj enjoys ubot5 flooding too much | 20:31 | |
| balloons | sorry, too many messages | 20:34 |
| * balloons reads | 20:35 | |
| balloons | letozaf_, yes you can help | 20:37 |
| balloons | and yes it's in the ppa now | 20:37 |
| balloons | so, pick a test where you couldn't do something before | 20:37 |
| balloons | then, let's talk about using introspection to help | 20:38 |
| balloons | if you use the autopilot launch evince for instance, you can then run 'autopilot vis' to visualize | 20:38 |
| balloons | it will show you the dbus session. then you find the data properties you need to look at or assert on, and boom your golden | 20:39 |
| letozaf_ | ok let me have a look | 20:41 |
| balloons | hmm thomi I don't see an updated version on my box | 21:02 |
| balloons | I've got the ppa.. | 21:02 |
| balloons | Version: 1.2daily12.12.10-0ubuntu1 | 21:02 |
| thomi | balloons: hmmm, let me check - I was sure it merged yesterday | 21:03 |
| thomi | balloons: ahhhh | 21:03 |
| thomi | I think the daily built versions are seen as being newer than the ppa versions maybe? I'll do some asking around | 21:03 |
| balloons | yes, let me check | 21:04 |
| balloons | i may have to force | 21:05 |
| balloons | yes, I see the daily | 21:05 |
| thomi | balloons: yeah - forcing it would work - just checking with fgintherto see if we can fix the versioning somehow | 21:06 |
| thomi | hi fginther :) | 21:06 |
| balloons | argh | 21:07 |
| balloons | it hates me | 21:07 |
| balloons | apt lies! | 21:07 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, lol | 21:07 |
| balloons | ok | 21:09 |
| balloons | ok, old version is installed.. dist-upgrading, I believe it will pull the new | 21:09 |
| balloons | yes, pulling from ppa | 21:09 |
| balloons | ok, so 1.2+bzr100pkg0raring1 is installed, autopilot launch is a no go | 21:10 |
| balloons | usage: autopilot [-h] {run,list,vis} ... | 21:10 |
| balloons | autopilot: error: argument mode: invalid choice: 'launch' (choose from 'run', 'list', 'vis') | 21:10 |
| thomi | balloons: should be +bzr114 | 21:10 |
| thomi | soooo fginther - are we no longer building into the PPA? | 21:11 |
| balloons | https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa has 100 | 21:11 |
| fginther | thomi, sorry, I had to relocate to a different room, still trying to gather all the data | 21:12 |
| thomi | fginther: sure, no worries | 21:12 |
| balloons | letozaf_, ^^ following this? | 21:13 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, sure | 21:13 |
| letozaf_ | thanks | 21:13 |
| fginther | hmmm.... | 21:14 |
| fginther | thomi, yuck, the autopilot dputs have been failing for some time due to the package string switch | 21:18 |
| thomi | haha, well, at least we caught it now :) | 21:19 |
| fginther | thomi, we should just need to purge the package from the ppa and re-do the last dput | 21:19 |
| fginther | ... 2 months later :-) | 21:19 |
| balloons | lol | 21:20 |
| Noskcaj | phillw, i have the server iso, what did i need to do? | 21:20 |
| phillw | Noskcaj: see if it will install using testdrive. | 21:21 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 21:21 |
| phillw | do not add anything to it when it asks, just leave it basic. | 21:21 |
| Noskcaj | ok, so just the "default" testcase? | 21:22 |
| fginther | thomi, balloons, I've dput a new autopilot package, hopefully it will show up soon with the correct version. | 21:30 |
| thomi | \o/ | 21:30 |
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| thomi | thanks fginther | 21:30 |
| balloons | let me check | 21:31 |
| thomi | balloons: currently building: https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa/+packages | 21:32 |
| * balloons is watching | 21:32 | |
| SergioMeneses | hey guys! | 21:37 |
| Noskcaj | hello SergioMeneses | 21:37 |
| SergioMeneses | \o/ | 21:38 |
| SergioMeneses | balloons, did you speak to Sergio about the laptop session? | 21:40 |
| balloons | hey SergioMeneses | 21:40 |
| balloons | I didn't reach the other Sergio, I thought you might have | 21:40 |
| SergioMeneses | mmmm | 21:41 |
| Noskcaj | phillw, it worked fine. | 21:43 |
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| SergioMeneses | btw balloons look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRER_Uj7h_I | 21:45 |
| SergioMeneses | I have been reading about autopilot | 21:46 |
| phillw | balloons: good news :) As testdrive is having problems with mini iso, I asked Jackson to try ubuntu-server iso with no additions, it installs fine. This is as close we can currently get to a mini-iso as you can add ANY of ubuntu family desktop systems to it :D | 21:46 |
| balloons | SergioMeneses, awesome! | 21:46 |
| thomi | balloons: new autopilot packages appear to be baked in the PPA now :) | 21:46 |
| thomi | SergioMeneses: Great work - the only word I can understand is "unity", but it look snice :) | 21:47 |
| thomi | oh, and "autopilot" I guess | 21:47 |
| SergioMeneses | thomi, jeje I'll add subtitles next time! | 21:48 |
| thomi | heh. I keep thinking we ought to do something like this... | 21:48 |
| thomi | I keep meaning to write a couple of blog posts about autopilot | 21:48 |
| SergioMeneses | thomi, sounds really good | 21:48 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, thomi I've been trying to update autopilot packages, but up to now cannot get anything, did you try balloons ? | 21:54 |
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| Noskcaj | phillw, what are the issues with the mini iso? | 21:54 |
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| balloons | hmm.. it appears you reverted the naming scheme | 21:57 |
| phillw | Noskcaj: they are dropped in as and when by debian. Ubuntu uses them as a build when it all passes. I'm sure I'm over simplfying this, cjohnston or one of the other guys know this better. But that was the mini-iso for idiots guide that they gave me :) | 21:58 |
| balloons | yea letozaf_ thomi 1.2daily12.12.10-0ubuntu1+bzr114pkg0raring1 is not > than 1.2+bzr100pkg0raring1 | 21:58 |
| phillw | not cjohnston, cjwatson who is on -release | 21:59 |
| SergioMeneses | ok guys I have to go out... ill see you soon | 22:01 |
| fginther | balloons, letozaf_ the version naming scheme for autopilot changed. You'll need to manually remove any already installed packages in order to update to the ppa | 22:02 |
| phillw | Noskcaj_afk: I'm awaiting to be told off for asking in the wrong channel, but... it won't be the 1st time. | 22:02 |
| balloons | letozaf_, this will work: sudo apt-get install python-autopilot=1.2daily12.12.10-0ubuntu1+bzr114pkg0raring1 | 22:03 |
| balloons | although, again my concerns about clean upgrades | 22:03 |
| letozaf_ | ok let me try | 22:03 |
| balloons | fginther, k, ty | 22:04 |
| balloons | and it works | 22:04 |
| balloons | excellent | 22:04 |
| balloons | lol.. | 22:04 |
| balloons | I may have spoke too soon | 22:04 |
| balloons | anyways, letozaf_ give it a whirl | 22:05 |
| balloons | when you launch autopilot vis, you'll see a sessoin named 'root' | 22:05 |
| balloons | select it and you'll get the list of stuff for the app you launched | 22:06 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, yeah!!!! got the upgrade, I will give it a whirl now!!! | 22:06 |
| phillw | hi xnox | 22:10 |
| xnox | =) heya. is something wrong with our mini.iso? =) | 22:11 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, doesn't seem to work | 22:11 |
| * xnox reads backlog. | 22:11 | |
| phillw | xnox: it is not supported in test drive (a bug is open) | 22:12 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, when I launch "autopilot launch gedit" I get a "No handlers could be found for logger "autopilot.introspection" | 22:12 |
| xnox | phillw: well. test-drive is quickly becoming out of date, the original author is no longer that active in Ubuntu development, so I am not surprised it may have trouble downloading/runing images. | 22:12 |
| balloons | i got the same | 22:12 |
| thomi | hmmmm | 22:12 |
| * thomi can fix that | 22:12 | |
| balloons | letozaf_, however, it still worked | 22:13 |
| phillw | xnox: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077158 | 22:13 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1077158 in TestDrive "Testdrive should have a netboot repository" [Undecided,New] | 22:13 |
| xnox | phillw: does mini.iso boot in straight VirtManager/VMWare/Virtualbox/kvw? | 22:13 |
| balloons | leave it running, then run 'autopilot vis' in another terminal | 22:13 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, ok let me try | 22:13 |
| phillw | xnox: the bug is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077158 | 22:13 |
| phillw | it seems fine in my VM's, but not test drive | 22:14 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, well the vis window opens, but I can only select "Unity" is that ok ? | 22:14 |
| balloons | no, you should see root as well | 22:15 |
| balloons | if you don't then it didn't work | 22:15 |
| balloons | try closing it and going through the steps again | 22:15 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, wait it exited with a "RuntimeError...@ | 22:15 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, yes I will try to run it again | 22:15 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, nope does not work for me | 22:16 |
| letozaf_ | It goes out with "RuntimeError: Unable to find Autopilot interface" | 22:17 |
| letozaf_ | what am I doing wrong ? | 22:17 |
| thomi | letozaf_: sounds like you don't have the autopilot fgtk package installed. Maybe alesage can help you with that | 22:17 |
| thomi | (i'm on a call) | 22:17 |
| letozaf_ | thomi, ok thanks | 22:18 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, can you help me ? | 22:18 |
| alesage | hi letozaf_ , what seems to be the trouble :) | 22:18 |
| xnox | phillw: added the comment with paths to images. I have no commit access to Testdrive, so I'm not going to be hacking on it :p | 22:18 |
| alesage | letozaf_, do you have the autopilot PPA? | 22:19 |
| xnox | so hopefully Andres will patch testdrive and/or other users of it =)))) | 22:19 |
| alesage | if so, simply apt-get libautopilot-gtk0 | 22:19 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, yes I have the autopilot PPA in my software sources | 22:19 |
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| alesage | ok letozaf_ super, pls do the apt-get and let me know the result | 22:20 |
| phillw | xnox: thanks for your input, I cannot know what the error is. But as Noskcaj_afk is a firm believer in testdrive, it is only fair that we either support it, or drop it. You already know of my thoughts on supporting things :) | 22:21 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, just a minute... | 22:21 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, I ran sudo apt-get install libautopilot-gtk0 | 22:22 |
| xnox | phillw: well. I have no concerns about testdrive backend, it's a user friendly wrapper around kvm. But I don't use it myself, nor recommends others to do so. But if they do that's fine =))))) Noskcaj_afk you have the URL pattern all what's needed is hopefully a simple fix in testdrive to make it support mini.iso s | 22:23 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, got a ldconfig deferred processing now taking place as last line output | 22:24 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, and still get RuntimeError after launching "autopilot launch gedit" :( | 22:25 |
| alesage | letozaf_, ok hmm | 22:25 |
| balloons | you have the old stuff installed perhaps letozaf_ ? | 22:27 |
| balloons | autopilot-gtk_0.1bla | 22:27 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, I got raring with autopilot PPA with all updates applied | 22:29 |
| letozaf_ | balloons, I am working on my problem with alesage ... | 22:31 |
| alesage | balloons, we'll report in just a few min here :) about autopilot | 22:31 |
| balloons | :-) | 22:33 |
| phillw | Noskcaj_afk: when you are in the same Time Zone as xnox could you guys have a chat? | 22:43 |
| alesage | balloons, problem stemmed from a packaging error, libautopiliot-gtk-dev appears to be required for tests, need to investigate | 22:53 |
| balloons | standing by | 22:54 |
| letozaf_ | ok guys thanks a lot to alesage , I'm goint to bed now goodnight to everyone! | 22:55 |
| letozaf_ | alesage, will tell you all about it | 22:55 |
| alesage | balloons, need some packaging/GTK+ advice, will seek out | 22:55 |
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