[01:09] debian/copyright: is there a tool scans the source and write the DEP-5 format as a start ? === clay_doh is now known as claydoh === claydoh is now known as Guest12500 === Guest12500 is now known as claydoh [07:51] good morning === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [09:16] afiestas: we have the latest release 1.1.5, unless something changed in the last 24 hours [09:20] otoh I could setup a daily recipe, but the packaging is spooky === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [09:36] fun [09:36] calligra is slightly broken [09:36] good thing I didn't send this email to KDE Devel [09:37] * shadeslayer goes off to fix [10:28] shadeslayer: in my next upgrade test kdm worked fine, but this time the wallpaper didn't get changed to Elarun... otherwise everything works fine [10:29] shadeslayer: one thing: if you want print-manager installed you'll have to add an updated version of kubuntu-meta === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:30] re Elarun that should be fixed I think [10:31] I thought so too, but it did happen just now. [10:32] don't remember where the fix was supposed to be [10:33] ah yes [10:33] yofel: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/metadata.desktop [10:33] should say : [Wallpaper] [10:33] defaultWallpaperTheme=Elarun [10:33] defaultFileSuffix=.png [10:33] defaultWidth=2560 [10:33] defaultHeight=1600 [10:34] note the dimensions [10:35] kdm uses /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc [10:35] the wallpaper needs to be upgraded manually I think [10:35] *facepalm* you're right [10:35] or by a script [10:35] the one I pasted before was for the screenlocker [10:35] hm, I thought we were defaulting the wallpaper to our kde-default.png symlink? [10:36] (which makes the wallpaper appear twice in the settings btw.) [10:38] ^ [10:39] I worked around this in Netrunner by putting it in /usr/share/netrunner ... we could put the symlink in /usr/share/kubuntu-settings-desktop [10:41] sounds good to me, now it's just an image called "2560x1600" which is ugly [10:42] I wonder what uses that image though [10:42] ubiquity [10:42] ah [10:42] review plz : http://paste.kde.org/642500/ [10:44] wth is up with hidden folders in /usr o.O? usr/share/templates/.source/ [10:44] heh, don't ask me [10:44] ack otherwise [10:45] but there were 2 bugs, one that template files get pulled in even tho the app is not installed [10:45] and if you try to hide the app using NoDisplay=true it won't work [10:45] fix for the second one is here : http://www.davidfaure.fr/2013/knewfilemenu.cpp.diff [10:45] hm [10:49] yofel: do kubuntu-dev have upload rights for calligra? [10:50] yes [10:50] ah cool [10:51] * yofel wonders how he managed to break upower... AC is in, upower says it's offline [10:52] Sigh === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:53] Hopefully I passed [10:53] that bad? [10:53] ^^ [10:53] Not as bad as I expected it to be [10:53] but not entirely good [10:54] multivariable deriviatives are not what I expected [10:54] and I am not sure if I got them right [10:54] plus integrals and ofc I didnt even touch those [10:55] I have a second attempt but I would like to think the first attempt was enough [10:55] Will see next week, tomorrow is logic. [10:56] second attempt is good... but believe me, you usually don't have time to study for that... [10:56] yes [10:56] especially I have like. 4 tests next week? [10:56] * Quintasan takes a break and goes back to studying [10:56] * yofel passes Quintasan a cup of coffee [10:58] welp [10:58] I think I have lecture to attend in like an hour [10:58] gotta pack some stuff and head to that [11:01] hahaha [11:02] Quintasan: now you understand why I had tests all the time for the last 4 years :P [11:03] he's getting there :P [11:15] meh, anyone got any great ideas why qt isn't compiling on arm and powerpc [11:15] arm complains about no QtGui which is weird [11:15] powerpc complains about QtWebKit which is not unusual but no reason why it would be platform specific [11:33] ::qt-bugs:: [1098136] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.3 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1098136 (by Amit Kumar) [11:34] and now calligra has failed because /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnepomukcore [11:36] well it compiled when I uploaded it :) [11:36] needs to build-dep on nepomuk-core-dev? [11:36] calligra uses Nepomuk? [11:36] yes it doesn't have that [11:37] vHanda: seems so [11:37] ./CMakeLists.txt: macro_log_feature(NEPOMUK_FOUND "Nepomuk" "Handles metadata of resources" FALSE "Required to handle metadata of resources") [11:37] Riddell: that's what I'm thinking as well :P [11:37] ./libs/widgets/CMakeLists.txt: target_link_libraries(kowidgets kotext pigmentcms ${NEPOMUK_LIBRARIES} ${SOPRANO_LIBRARIES}) [11:38] hmm, they seem to have basic tag support [11:38] but that is kdelibs/nepomuk not nepomukcore [11:38] ( as of Sept 12 2012 ) [11:39] vHanda: I have a suspicion it's because of http://paste.kde.org/642524/ [11:40] that's kdepim [11:40] should kdepimlibs-dev depend on nepomuk-core-dev ? [11:40] yes [11:40] if they use nepomuk-core (which I think they do) then yes [11:41] okay [11:41] vHanda: as I'm a bit confused after the last discussion about it, is the presence of nepomuk-widgets implied if nepomuk-core is there? [11:42] nepomuk-widgets cannot be compiled with nepomuk-core [11:42] it also won't work (runtime) without nepomuk-core [11:42] so it has a compile time and runtime dependency to nepomuk-core [11:43] *cannot be compiled WITHOUT nepomuk-core [11:43] sorry [11:43] I should proof read what I write [11:43] alright [11:43] Riddell: I'll go ahead and add a nepomuk-core-dev dep to kdepimlibs-dev [11:44] shadeslayer: go ahead but that might not do much if you're looking at calligra :) [11:44] vHanda: ah, I was remembering the dolphin build failure because the cmake check for nepomuk-widgets was missing [11:44] Riddell: yeah, let's see, I'm compiling by adding nepomuk-core-dev to calligra [11:44] yofel: right. I fixed that [11:44] but not in time for RC2 [11:45] thanks [11:45] yofel: http://commits.kde.org/kde-baseapps/da5b7dcde4b5bbef28600e31ebb540d7f182050b [11:46] shadeslayer: it'll build fine with nepomuk-core-dev, already tried it when I attempted to backport it to precise [11:46] ah [11:46] vHanda: ah, perfect. Thanks === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [11:49] Riddell: if I add nepomuk-core-dev to kdepimlibs5-dev it'll get pulled in automagically when building calligra [11:49] as well as other stuff [11:52] really? why does calligra use kdepimlibs? [11:54] * KDE PIM iCalendar - KDE Personal Information Management iCalendar Libraries [11:59] what is the best way to provide KolorServer to kubuntu for KWin-4.10 colour correction? [12:03] * shadeslayer looks [12:04] oy: I'm not sure what you're asking there [12:04] oy: you're the upstream for KolorServer? [12:04] yes, nearly [12:04] https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/kolor-manager/repository [12:04] nearly? :) [12:05] that would need packaging I guess :) [12:05] KWin-4.10 needs KolorServer to enable ICC colour correction [12:05] oy: is there a release of KolorServer? [12:05] Riddell: I've uploaded pimlibs with dep on nepomuk-core-dev :) [12:06] Riddell, and shadeslayer yes we have packages [12:06] https://www.oyranos.org/kolormanager/ on the bottom [12:07] Should I trust the SSL cert? :P [12:08] oy: I don't see a proper release [12:08] KolorServer is part of KolorManager and both use ICC Examin + Oyranos + libXcm all inofficially packaged for debian [12:09] shadeslayer, https://projects.kde.org/news/192 ? [12:09] oy: presumably it needs packages of Oyranos first? [12:09] yeah, I was about to open that link on projects.kde.org [12:10] Riddell: yep : FIND_PACKAGE(Oyranos REQUIRED) [12:10] Riddell, the dependencies are all packaged in the same way [12:11] you can find the package list under xUbuntu: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=multimedia%3Acolor_management [12:13] I don't think we can use that packagign [12:13] *packaging [12:14] oh, why? I made it to help for Debian and Ubuntu [12:15] shadeslayer, what can be done to improve? [12:15] because it has a different format to what is actual packaging? IIRC OBS has this flat heiarchy packaging which is not valid debian packaging [12:15] *actual debian packaging [12:15] (can be made actual debian packaging depending on how OBSy the packaging is...) [12:16] I used a debian packaging tutorial [12:16] shadeslayer: it seems like a good start [12:16] oy: how much does this conflict with colord? [12:17] OBS confuses me as hell [12:17] I had them both running side by side, did not uninstall colord, works [12:17] I don't even know where the packaging is so I can have a look [12:18] shadeslayer, https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=kolor-manager&project=multimedia%3Acolor_management [12:18] shadeslayer, you can click the package name in the monitor list [12:18] agreed, it is different to launchpad [12:21] looks sane from an overview, except that the copyright needs fixing ( 80 char width _ [12:21] *) [12:21] will do, thanks [12:22] I didn't know that OBS accepted this format [12:22] I was only aware of the flat hiearchy one [12:22] shadeslayer, I saw as well other formats, but because of the debian tutorial I choose that one [12:22] it is flat too :P [12:23] oy: oh and maybe you can use dh $@ --with kde [12:23] ok [12:23] and remove the sample cruft in there as well [12:24] shadeslayer, sample cruft? in which file? [12:25] debian/rules [12:25] "# Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper." [12:25] not needed :) [12:25] ah, see it, good [12:27] oy: out of these packages in that OBS archive you're saying we want oyranos and kolor-manager in kubuntu? [12:28] Riddell, yes, these + libXcm (dep) + ICC Examin (optionally used by KolorManager) [12:29] "icc-profiles-free" is already in wheezy and I guess "xcalib" is available too, both are dependencies too [12:30] oy: as someone who knows nothing about colour correction can you tell me why a window manager needs it? isn't it better done for the whole monitor? [12:31] Riddell, the WM manages all monitors, so it is ICC colour correction for the whole monitor [12:32] Riddell, in the past we (X11) had only 1D LUT correction, which means no opt out, colorimetric based correction only for ICC supporting apps [12:33] in the old LUT way, Dolphin does no colorimetric correction why DigiKam/Krita etc. do [12:34] Riddell, with KWin ICC colour correction all apps are corrected together, including video on the GPU [12:35] in the old LUT way, Dolphin does no colorimetric correction *while* DigiKam/Krita etc. do [12:35] oy: is the colour correction per-display? [12:35] Tm_T, per output [12:35] alias per monitor [12:36] oh good [12:36] so I have some hope to get reasonable results with external monitor and laptop [12:37] oy: how is this different from colord-kde applying a profile to a monitor? [12:37] Tm_T: yes that is one use case [12:38] Riddell, colord-kde does only calibration, which is a 1D LUT [12:39] Riddell, it does no correction for different primaries or saturation, calibration helps only in improving gray ramps, but that is covered by ICC profiles in KWin as well [12:40] the 1D Lut this is very long available (perhaps 10 years). xcalib can do that for instance [12:42] a calibration does not so much for small gamut laptops + attached sRGB/wide Gamut external monitors [12:43] ^ [12:44] oy: no 1.0 on http://sourceforge.net/projects/oyranos/files/Oyranos/ ? [12:45] Riddell, not yet, we are still in beta and expect some minor changes [12:45] btw. colord is guessedly beta too or alpha [12:46] oy: but the OBS archive does have 1.0.0? [12:46] Riddell, yes, of KolorManager, but not of its dependencies [12:47] oh I see [12:47] KolorManager exposes a limited set of features, we think we can garantee to remain stable [12:47] oy: where's the place to download KolorManager sources? [12:47] the Oyranos geature set is much broader [12:48] Riddell, we hoped that git snapshots are fine? http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kolor-manager.git&a=tags [12:49] for most of other packages there is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/oyranos/files/ [12:51] oy: that not quite kosher, KolorManager is ment to be 1.0 and stable but there's no tars? [12:51] Morning guys [12:51] hmm, need to find a place for that [12:52] oy: you can use ftp.kde.org or the same sourceforge project as oyranos no? [12:52] ftp.kde.org would be sound [12:53] oy: ask in #kde-sysadmin how you do that, I think you need to upload it somewhere then file a request on bugs.kde.org for sysadmin to move it to release [12:53] ah, good to know [12:55] oy: where is the GUI in kwin for this? [12:55] * oy works on the fixes and pushes a new tar ball [12:56] yes, upload to incoming, then file a sysamind request to move it to ftpmaster containing target path and the sha1 of the tarball [12:58] Riddell, http://userbase.kde.org/Color_Management/en [12:59] the enabling of colour correction happens inside KWin effect dialog, it is for the first release experimental [13:05] oy: groovy thanks for answering my questions, I'll look into getting it packaged and in the archive [13:07] Riddell, thanks, meanwhile I will work on a kolor-manager-1.0.1 release and proper upload [13:14] Hi all === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [14:53] shadeslayer: It's not like tests all the time [14:54] It's like tests because it's the end of semster :P [15:01] sure [15:02] mfw I can do nothing for whole 10 months after 15 February [15:03] what happens then? [15:03] Quintasan has tests for the next 10 months [15:04] it's the shadeslayer test schedule problem all over again [15:04] Riddell: Some tests and end of the year [15:04] Riddell: after that more free time [15:04] that's some long tests [15:04] aaaand start of new semester [15:05] haha [15:05] apachelogger: That won't be the case hopefully [15:05] If I pass all the tests next week I will have only ONE exam in February [15:06] there is four of them so it is doable [15:06] so what's after feburary? :P [15:06] one test a week [15:06] or perhaps two? :P [15:07] apachelogger: one word, Calculus [15:08] apachelogger: nothing lol [15:08] apachelogger: I get only lectures that I have to attend to [15:08] Besides, why am I explaining this stuff to you [15:09] * Quintasan thinks he would be better off learning stuff for tomorrow [15:09] word [15:09] shadeslayer: calculus is fun [15:09] it's another foremost topic when having coffee @ uni [15:09] If you know what the hell is going on then it is :P [15:10] the secret with calculus is that no one knows what is going on and that you just have to make the right guesses [15:10] ^ :D [15:10] * shadeslayer bows to apachelogger === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [16:27] shadeslayer: 4.9.97 precise is done from my side. Anything you have left? [16:30] Darkwing, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, jussi, ScottK: can I get some Kubuntu stickers for FOSDEM with kubuntu funds? [16:30] +1 [16:31] nope [16:32] yofel: marble all working [16:32] ? [16:33] +1 [16:34] shadeslayer: the current package set that's in staging works fine for what I tested [16:46] ah cool [16:46] please go ahead and copy stuff :) [16:47] ok, copying then [16:52] done [16:57] how's this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/output2.pdf [16:58] Other than being sideways, it looks good. [16:59] the KDE logo looks out of place [16:59] compared to the kubuntu logo positioning above I mean [16:59] otherwise nice [17:10] mfw dolphin crashes when one tries to mass tag files [17:10] god KDE should do something about mass edition of things [17:10] Amarok UI freezes and users have no idea what's going on [17:10] Dolphin crashes [17:10] ... [17:13] vHanda: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313026 [17:13] KDE bug 313026 in general "Dolphin crashes when trying to mass add Nepomuk tags" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [17:13] You are probably interested [17:14] * Quintasan can consistetly reproduce this [17:15] lol [17:15] If I Alt+Enter, go to Information and press Add tags there [17:15] it works [17:15] ... [17:19] bah, can we revert the qml screen locker before release? :3 [17:19] it still has some ugly regressions [17:19] NOW [17:19] this looks promising... [17:24] Wonder if someone could help me [17:24] On my panel.. my task manager is really small because the tray is using up too much space [17:24] Any idea how that can be fixed? [17:33] Quintasan: I cannot confirm the crash. [17:33] txwikinger: remove all the panels, then right-click the desktop and choose Add Panel -> Defaul panel [17:34] ok.. found the issue.. there are lots of useless entries in the tray settings... where did they come from? [17:34] Actually, I lied, Quintasan. With 4 images it didn't crash, with 200 it did. [17:34] sbivol_: Yeah.. that unfortuantely loses all my customizations [17:36] wonder what all those statusnotifieritems supposed to be! [17:36] jessie: With small number of elements is not a problem [17:37] I have 5 photos of my friend doing a kickflip,taggin them skateboarding was not a problem [17:37] but taggin 600 pictures from our skateboarding trip crashed the whole thing [17:37] :P [17:37] :q [17:37] :;; [17:41] Quintasan: KDE does not scale [17:41] we need to make it webscale [17:42] how do you scale a desktop shadeslayer? [17:42] by using mongodb instead of mysql [17:42] don't you know? mongodb is webscale [17:42] NoSQL? [17:42] Sounds good [17:42] vHanda: ^^ [17:43] No, Mongodb [17:43] shadeslayer: look at MongoDB page derp [17:46] Riddell.. do you know what all the statusnotifieritems in the system tray entries supposed to do? [17:46] txwikinger: yeah, why do you have ones which are unclear? [17:47] yes.. in my laptop there are quite a bunch that start with numbers and do not mean anything [17:47] on the netbook there are none [17:47] of these [17:48] those funny entries make the trasy uneccessarry wide [17:48] I had to change them all to hidden to be able to see my task manager properly [17:50] Deleting them in the System Tray Settings UI does not seem to work [17:52] I believe they first appeared after a crash of plasma.. well the panel disppeared and came back a bit later [17:53] my systray has a circular one with a number in it which is for downloads and notificatios [17:53] otherwise I don't know why one would have a number [17:54] :1.112/org/kde/statusnotifieritem/1 [17:54] that is one example of it [18:07] Well. I found something in the KDE forum.. seems to be a kdelibs bug [18:17] yofel: did you do an announce on kubuntu.org? [18:25] shadeslayer: should be added to the existing 4.9.97 one [18:25] hi skaet! [18:25] Riddell: okay [18:25] I'll do it before sleeping [18:26] hiya Riddell! [18:26] :) [18:27] * shadeslayer waves to skaet [18:27] skaet: happy new year [18:28] * skaet waves back to shadeslayer [18:28] happy new year, Riddell [18:29] * skaet glad to be back online again [18:35] shadeslayer: thanks, I didn't as I left the office right after that [18:35] * yofel wonders if kmail would be faster if akonadi used NoSQL [19:23] é o weechat [19:25] oh look an rbelem [19:26] :-D [19:26] wrong channel [19:26] hahaha [19:26] so kubuntu-devel is now a 'wrong' channel for you eh [19:26] hiding from us [19:35] hmm [19:36] seem to get this slight issue with the new SNA stuff http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/10/plasma-desktopS17003.png [19:36] wasn't getting this earlier [19:36] ( see the 2 arrows ) === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [20:11] :-D [20:17] shadeslayer: mfw UXA was supposed to fix all of the bugs of EXA [20:17] rofl [20:18] shadeslayer: I have intel, but not a sandybridge cpu [20:19] JontheEchidna: yeah I'm slightly confused as well, do people with non-sandybridge arch's get the same perf improvements? [20:19] maybe ask in #ubuntu-x ? [20:19] I'll test it in a bit [20:19] cool [20:20] gives me a nice excuse to play minecraft :P [20:20] lol [20:20] * shadeslayer is still upgrading [20:21] updated steam \o/ === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [20:22] * sreich strolls in with his ivy bridge and gtx 670 ;p [20:22] oh yeah, i'm bad [20:22] xD [20:23] sreich: go test new stuff [20:23] go go go [20:23] you get to play TF2 [20:24] lol [20:24] of course [20:24] oh wow [20:24] shift + tab works [20:24] didn't work earlier [20:25] as does big picture [20:25] whoop [20:34] guys, does anybody knows irc nickname of the guy how redisigned plasma theme for 4.10? mart? notmart? marco? something else? :) [20:34] *who [20:34] hmm [20:35] there's notmart [20:35] but I don't think he did the redesign [20:35] it was Nuno iirc [20:35] I think it is notmart: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Graphics/Time_to_refresh_some_air [20:36] well both of them [20:37] so you want to talk to pinheiro and notmart [20:37] #oxygen probably [20:39] shadeslayer: thanks! they are both in #oxygen :) [20:40] Well X still works [20:40] they introduces regression with new theme in icon-only task manager so I have to ping them :) [20:41] heh [20:41] yofel: "Update: Packages for Precise users are now avaliable via the same Beta PPA mentioned above." [20:41] good enough? [20:41] or should I add the word awesome in there [20:44] * shadeslayer removes the word 'same' [20:53] poor buildd's [20:53] I get this when building qtcreator : http://paste.kde.org/643058/ [20:56] hmm, I'm seeing some font artifacting in Chrome with this SNA stuff [20:57] on its tabbar [20:57] dunno, no such thing here [20:58] http://i.imgur.com/3No4L.png [21:05] JontheEchidna: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-f22392 [21:09] anywho [21:09] * shadeslayer goes back to pgst [21:48] dear Kubuntu devs, it would be really great if we could get debugging symbols for taglib [21:54] Mamarok: use dbgsym packages? they get made for everything [21:55] hm, what is that? never heard of [21:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [21:55] see "If there is no -dbg package:" [21:56] *sigh* and you really expect me to ask the average user to do that? [21:57] looks complicated even to me [21:57] apparently just rebuilding taglib from source with debug enabled seems much easier than that [21:59] and then it has to be removed again? [21:59] not user friendly at all, and the bug reports we get for taglib are from plain users [21:59] too complicated [22:00] option b) contribute to a project with no users → no complaints [22:00] SCNR [22:00] mikhas: well, lukily Amarok has a lot of users, much better that way :) [22:01] but you just complained about having users, in a way ;-) [22:01] adding that automatically was a feature request for our debug installer, but last time we talked JT said it's not exactly trivial [22:01] I'll agree that this system is designed for apport's auto-retracer, not for human beings [22:02] so, find someone to fix taglib packaging to create a *--dbg package? [22:03] I think that's what Mamarok just asked for [22:03] yes [22:04] but is -dbgsym really so hard? it's just running a couple of copy and paste commands [22:04] Riddell: maybe not for us, but I talk about plain users [22:04] I just dont think that being cynical when asking for others to do something for you helps. [22:05] mikhas: and you are talking to whom? [22:05] hm... [22:06] Riddell: how about adding a shell scrip for that to kubuntu-debug-installer and have it run it when it's not enabled? (finding that out would be the hard part I guess) [22:06] stupid t buton [22:07] I don't understand why it isn't enabled by default [22:08] "people should use apport" [22:09] huh [22:10] I don't suppose we can somehow ship with that repo added [22:11] hm, wait [22:11] can add-apt-repository prevent adding the same repo twice? [22:12] I think so [22:13] ah nope [22:13] JontheEchidna: is there some qapt method to check whether a specific repository is enabled on a system? [22:14] apt should know the list of active repositories from the cache... === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [22:18] shadeslayer: huh, since when is steam for linux public o.O? [22:18] a long long time [22:19] I meant public as in visible on the default install page [22:19] default install page? [22:19] http://store.steampowered.com/about/ [22:20] neato [22:21] they're pushing towards a Linux console [22:21] probably that's why