| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| neuro | grrr, sky | 00:20 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | *shakes fist toward the heavens* | 00:25 |
| daftykins | what's it done? :) | 00:25 |
| neuro | dropped me offline for 10 mins | 00:25 |
| neuro | and just as i was swinging my LAN across to BT, it came back | 00:25 |
| neuro | i really need to get pfsense up and running with proper connection monitoring | 00:26 |
| daftykins | two ISPs? | 00:28 |
| neuro | ya | 00:28 |
| neuro | sky fibre unlimited pro and bt infinity 2 | 00:28 |
| daftykins | this an office? | 00:28 |
| neuro | 2x 80Mbps down, 2x 20Mbps up | 00:28 |
| neuro | no | 00:29 |
| daftykins | how rather greedy | 00:29 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | nuro,can you torrent ? | 00:29 |
| neuro | greedy | 00:29 |
| neuro | ? | 00:29 |
| neuro | solarcloud_3scrn: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! | 00:29 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | are you allowed to torrent ? | 00:30 |
| neuro | sure | 00:30 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | sweet. | 00:30 |
| neuro | sky is a completely unlimited connection with no FUP | 00:30 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | \fUP ? | 00:30 |
| neuro | BT say they'll throttle p2p at peak times, but unlimited otherwise | 00:30 |
| neuro | Fair Use Policy | 00:30 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | ok | 00:30 |
| neuro | but i tend to encrypt torrent traffic, so i've never seen BT throttle my traffic | 00:31 |
| daftykins | yeah it sounds a bit much for one user | 00:31 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | i didn't think you could torrent in the UK, that's all. | 00:31 |
| neuro | lol wut? | 00:31 |
| daftykins | lol? of course you can, it's a protocol not a law | 00:31 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | oh OK. | 00:31 |
| neuro | torrenting copyrighted material is illegal (copyright infringement) | 00:32 |
| neuro | but that's the same as transferring copyrighted material over http | 00:32 |
| neuro | or nntp | 00:32 |
| neuro | or ftp | 00:32 |
| neuro | or through the post | 00:32 |
| neuro | the medium isn't the issue | 00:32 |
| neuro | why do you think ubuntu (from a london-based company) allows you to torrent their ISOs? | 00:32 |
| neuro | daftykins: and why do you think it's greedy or too much for one user? | 00:33 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | so if I got sky unlimited pro .. I wouldn't have any monitors at the ISP, right ? | 00:33 |
| neuro | solarcloud_3scrn: they adhere to uk legislation | 00:33 |
| neuro | so they block stuff according to the iwf cleanfeed | 00:34 |
| daftykins | neuro: must cost a bit :) mostly 'cause i get by on 16Mb down i guess | 00:34 |
| neuro | and they were legally required to block the pirate bay | 00:34 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | so that's a No, then. | 00:34 |
| neuro | but apart from that you can do what you like, within legal limits of course | 00:34 |
| neuro | most ISPs don't actually "monitor" what you're doing, they have better things to do | 00:34 |
| neuro | this is why ISPs have generally resisted government calls for ISPs to police their users activities | 00:35 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | does it matter if you have a VPN ? | 00:35 |
| AlanBell | indeed, mostly what ISPs want you to do is not phone them. Just quietly pay the bill, and don't break anything. | 00:35 |
| neuro | what do you mean "does it matter"? | 00:35 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | will you still be picked up. ?? | 00:36 |
| neuro | "picked up"? | 00:36 |
| neuro | ISPs don't watch what you're doing | 00:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | as a ill. downloader . | 00:36 |
| neuro | whether or not a third party will try to track torrent activity by connecting to trackers is another matter | 00:36 |
| neuro | then again, this is why i generally don't use public trackers *cough* | 00:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | k | 00:37 |
| neuro | i recall downloading an episode of Battlestar Galactica the morning after it aired in the US | 00:37 |
| neuro | took me 30 minutes to download it | 00:37 |
| neuro | as soon as it was finished, i stopped the torrent and quit my client | 00:37 |
| neuro | three days later, i had one of those "oi, you were downloading battlestar.galactica.blah.blah.mkv, stop it" emails | 00:37 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | .. yeah, we don't have that here .. IoM. | 00:38 |
| neuro | granted this was years ago, but since then i make sure i use private trackers, and use the encrypted-peers-only option in my clients and ... something else, forgotten :P | 00:39 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | we pay an extra gov. rate that goes to the film/ entert. industry .. £1 a month I think. | 00:39 |
| neuro | errr | 00:40 |
| neuro | ok? | 00:40 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | solves that one , hay ? | 00:40 |
| neuro | you sure about that? | 00:41 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yep. | 00:41 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | i dloaded terrabytes since 2044 ... | 00:41 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | **2004. | 00:41 |
| ormiret | solarcloud_3scrn: where are you? | 00:41 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Isle of Man. | 00:42 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Mark lives down the road. | 00:42 |
| neuro | can you cite something that you're talking about? | 00:42 |
| daftykins | solarcloud_3scrn: why are you asking so many shifty questions? | 00:42 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | the law .. i did have a youtube vid. but I've lost it. | 00:43 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | just seeing if the UK is worth it .. seems it's not. | 00:43 |
| neuro | well if a youtube video said it ... ;) | 00:43 |
| daftykins | to move to? | 00:44 |
| neuro | wait, you're saying the uk isn't worth living in because of robust copyright infringement controls? | 00:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | (it was a politcian ). | 00:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yep. | 00:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | we dont have that law here. | 00:44 |
| neuro | wat?! | 00:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yeh , I'm watching 7 psycopaths right now. | 00:45 |
| neuro | i could be watching it as well, it's sitting on my nas right now | 00:45 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | manx.. it's a freedom to florish.. | 00:46 |
| daftykins | solarcloud_3scrn: i'm in the Channel Islands, most of the law is copied over from England. i'd be surprised if you're as exempt as you think you are | 00:46 |
| neuro | you're right | 00:46 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | well n-one has ever questioned/ emailed me .. and I have proof that no one has been prosecuted. i know a lawyer. | 00:47 |
| neuro | IoM has a lot of UK copyright law and agreements extended to it | 00:47 |
| neuro | and | 00:47 |
| neuro | all the articles i'm finally finding about this | 00:47 |
| neuro | are for a *proposal* for a £1/mo tax to permit unlimited MUSIC usage in IoM | 00:47 |
| neuro | all from around jan/feb 2009 | 00:47 |
| daftykins | i've heard people get letters / emails / phone calls from our main ISP when they're using public torrents. if you do that you might as well phone the RIAA/MPAA and tell 'em what you've been getting | 00:48 |
| daftykins | public = fail | 00:48 |
| neuro | :) | 00:48 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | gotta go . the films getting to a goodie ... | 00:48 |
| neuro | well before you go | 00:48 |
| daftykins | enjoy | 00:48 |
| neuro | just bear in mind i think you're operating under a falsehood | 00:48 |
| neuro | you're just as liable when downloading infringing material in the IoM as you are in the UK | 00:49 |
| neuro | you just haven't been caught yet :) | 00:49 |
| neuro | i honestly can't find anything that says this was implemented | 00:51 |
| neuro | yeah, i don't think this ever happened | 00:54 |
| neuro | http://www.isleofman.com/News/details/36724/music-download-deal-a-long-way-off- | 00:54 |
| daftykins | it does sound unlikely to be granted | 00:54 |
| daftykins | neuro: what do you pay for each of those services? | 00:55 |
| neuro | um | 00:55 |
| neuro | iirc 30 for sky, 26 for bt | 00:55 |
| neuro | plus line rental for both | 00:55 |
| daftykins | daym | 00:55 |
| daftykins | they do VDSL over here now, 40Mb/2Mb - £35/mo with line rental £9.70/m ish | 00:56 |
| daftykins | no caps or FUP either | 00:56 |
| neuro | "here"? | 00:56 |
| daftykins | Guernsey | 00:56 |
| neuro | right | 00:56 |
| neuro | well that's what sky's initial offering was | 00:56 |
| neuro | 40 down 2 up | 00:56 |
| daftykins | yeah i want more upload for sure =/ | 00:56 |
| neuro | i speed bumped mine when sky announced pro (80/20) | 00:56 |
| * ormiret waits very impatiently to get anything beyond ADSL2 | 00:56 | |
| daftykins | useless for hosting things from home without :> | 00:56 |
| daftykins | ormiret: where are you? :) | 00:57 |
| neuro | probably somewhere that openreach hasn't enabled cabs for vdsl yet | 00:57 |
| ormiret | Aberdeen; there is better in some of the city but not for me yet. | 00:57 |
| daftykins | ah | 00:57 |
| neuro | ah yer a chuchter! | 00:58 |
| daftykins | i've never been up north. everyone always says not to bother... | 00:58 |
| neuro | WAT? | 00:58 |
| neuro | aberdeen is awesome | 00:58 |
| neuro | it has a beach and everything | 00:58 |
| daftykins | i've enough beaches where i am :> | 00:58 |
| neuro | lol | 00:58 |
| ormiret | You probably don't get much ice on your beaches though. | 00:59 |
| daftykins | nope rarely there's any snow over here, if any settles it's only overnight and melts quite quickly | 00:59 |
| daftykins | though there was enough for a sled run down a hill back in '96 | 00:59 |
| daftykins | that was the only proper snow i've seen in my life | 01:00 |
| neuro | aww, bless :) | 01:03 |
| daftykins | well, locally i should qualify | 01:06 |
| daftykins | went snowboarding last March ^_^ | 01:06 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | did you use gnu.com ?? | 01:11 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | just ordered another programming book .. and a lead for my Amilo/fujitsu off amazon .. hope it worx well. | 01:20 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | they alway say I could have it by Friday.. then when i've bought; say the delivery could take 14 days ! .. go figure. | 01:21 |
| neuro | because the amazon default is to assume if you use 1-day delivery and you're in the UK, you'll get it on friday | 01:22 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | hope so. | 01:22 |
| neuro | you *could* have it by friday ... if you pay extra ... and you're in the UK | 01:22 |
| daftykins | solarcloud_3scrn: what's the IoM postal service like? slow/fast? | 01:22 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | same .. we dnt have secong class post though. | 01:22 |
| daftykins | ours is pretty bad and gone down to 5 deliveries a week since LVCR (low value consignment relief) got made unlawful | 01:22 |
| daftykins | HMV's warehouse closed | 01:22 |
| daftykins | play.com just closed | 01:22 |
| daftykins | (they were based out of Jersey) | 01:23 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yeah , I think Jersey is pretty screwed asfar as a VAT juristiction . too many overlords IMHO. | 01:23 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Is the customer service at shops generally kack or ok ? | 01:24 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | IoM.. has the worst in EU by far. | 01:25 |
| daftykins | what shops where? | 01:25 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | in Jersey. | 01:25 |
| daftykins | i don't live there | 01:25 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | right. | 01:25 |
| daftykins | i'm on Guernsey, but most low jobs like retail are done by Latvian immigrants now | 01:26 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | sounds familiar. | 01:26 |
| daftykins | so you get what you can explain between languages ^_^ | 01:26 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | do you know a property website for the channel islands ? | 01:27 |
| daftykins | i just recently bought a house, there were over 15 for my island alone | 01:27 |
| daftykins | trust me it's pricey :) | 01:27 |
| daftykins | start with www.martelmaides.co.uk | 01:28 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | opening... | 01:28 |
| daftykins | you'll need to select either open or local market, local market are local houses for LOCAL PEOPLE! as the phrase goes | 01:28 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | so it's £700k , basically. | 01:30 |
| daftykins | errr no | 01:31 |
| daftykins | what did you look at? | 01:31 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | http://www.martelmaides.co.uk/properties?filter[market]=Open&filter[rent_or_buy]=Buy&filter[minimum_bedrooms]=1&filter[parish]=any&filter[price_range]=0-1000000 | 01:32 |
| daftykins | oh, open | 01:34 |
| daftykins | ooh that first one is on the smaller island of Sark too | 01:34 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | well I'm not local, am I ? | 01:34 |
| daftykins | hope you like horse and carriage rides | 01:34 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | how much d you think the first one is worth ? | 01:34 |
| daftykins | i'm too youthful to have any practical knowledge | 01:35 |
| daftykins | Sark is different, nobody's allowed to own a house over there | 01:35 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | surething. | 01:35 |
| daftykins | you can only sort of - hold a mortgage for a set period of time as far as i understand | 01:35 |
| daftykins | were you born on the IoM or are you originally from the US? | 01:35 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | no I'm manx. | 01:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | born here. | 01:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I think there are still direct AFAs I know. | 01:37 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | **direct flights.. | 01:37 |
| daftykins | AFA 0o | 01:38 |
| daftykins | that a local term? | 01:38 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | as far as ... | 01:38 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | there isn't much of a hacking community here .. | 01:40 |
| * solarcloud_3scrn must change that ... (Ment. note :) | 01:40 | |
| solarcloud_3scrn | whats it like on Guernsey ?? | 01:41 |
| daftykins | err | 01:41 |
| daftykins | simple | 01:41 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | guess not. | 01:41 |
| daftykins | 'hacking' ? :P | 01:42 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yeah. | 01:42 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | like a hackspace etc .. | 01:42 |
| daftykins | are you talking about the general messing around with technology, or the unlawful gaining access kind? :) | 01:43 |
| daftykins | the term has been utterly destroyed by the media of late | 01:43 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | 1st. | 01:43 |
| daftykins | ah there's no community here | 01:44 |
| daftykins | some of the UK bunch in here recommended starting a LUG | 01:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yeah, we do have a LUG.. | 01:44 |
| daftykins | doing better than here then | 01:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | always needs fresh blood for the grinder, as always. | 01:45 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | It's strange, because everyone uses computers, but no-one questions them .. odd really. | 01:45 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I blame warranties.. | 01:46 |
| ormiret | It's much the same for non-computer things too. Very few people know much about how their car works. | 01:47 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | true. i dont, but I wanna electric one | 01:48 |
| * solarcloud_3scrn scans ebay/uk for an electric car ..... | 01:48 | |
| solarcloud_3scrn | mm 49 electric cars .. £3.5k to £32k .. no tesla cars yet :( | 01:50 |
| daftykins | i don't think any electric car designer has thought properly long-long term about their creations | 01:52 |
| daftykins | so the batteries die and you do... what exactly? :D | 01:52 |
| neuro | walk | 01:52 |
| daftykins | 'xactly | 01:53 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Why do they have to look like they are from Mars ?? http://goo.gl/lSQsE | 01:53 |
| neuro | because the french are mental | 01:54 |
| neuro | http://www.teslamotors.com/models | 01:54 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | cant get tesla here can we ? | 01:54 |
| neuro | nope | 01:55 |
| daftykins | http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Renault-TWIZY-Colour-Electric-White-Automatic-/00/$T2eC16dHJGYE9noojjIsBQVw!EuH0!~~_12.JPG | 01:56 |
| daftykins | rofl | 01:56 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | looks like it's a car that a vicar would drive or mental-a-la francais , then. | 01:56 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | they should open source the whole thing ;) | 01:57 |
| daftykins | your english is so incredibly incoherent, i don't quite get why it is o0 | 01:58 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | soz about that .. | 01:59 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Perhaps .. these aren't the droids you are looking for .... | 01:59 |
| daftykins | does anyone actually speak the local gaelic over there? | 02:00 |
| neuro | they should open source a car? | 02:00 |
| neuro | oh good grief | 02:00 |
| neuro | internet down again | 02:00 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yes and Yes, definately. | 02:00 |
| * neuro shakes fist at sky | 02:00 | |
| solarcloud_3scrn | popey's cat won't ike that. | 02:00 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | **like | 02:01 |
| neuro | hmm, it's back | 02:01 |
| neuro | wonder what's going on | 02:01 |
| neuro | waaaaooooow | 02:01 |
| neuro | http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx | 02:02 |
| neuro | i hadn't seen *that* before | 02:02 |
| neuro | that's gorgeous | 02:02 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | BTW .. it's out .. http://goo.gl/PhaLB | 02:05 |
| neuro | ooh i was wrong | 02:07 |
| neuro | deliveries of model S in UK begin mid 2013 | 02:07 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | sounds good. | 02:07 |
| neuro | standard model purchase requires £4K "reservation payment" | 02:07 |
| neuro | signature model requires £30K | 02:07 |
| neuro | https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/own#/model-s | 02:08 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | how much is the cheapest ?it's $50k in us ?? | 02:08 |
| neuro | yup | 02:09 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | what's that £35k here, then ? | 02:09 |
| neuro | "Prices do not include Tesla Personal Delivery, Final Inspection, Prep and Coordination fee, taxes, license and title fees, or regionally required equipment, service, and charges." | 02:09 |
| neuro | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=usdgbp | 02:10 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | opening... | 02:10 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | err, ok .. whats your point ? | 02:11 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | yeh, so I was right. Soooo ? | 02:12 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I've got to get back to trading, So I see you in the morning, bye all. | 02:13 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I'll | 02:13 |
| === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz | ||
| daftykins | and then it was that the desktop BSOD'd | 07:42 |
| daftykins | and the intel G2 SSD was no longer detected | 07:42 |
| daftykins | oh yay. | 07:43 |
| daftykins | morning all o/ | 07:43 |
| popey | morning | 07:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | orning all | 07:44 |
| daftykins | nothing like a good power cycle to sort that out | 07:45 |
| daftykins | Windows is hilarious when it's throwing its' toys out of the pram though | 07:45 |
| daftykins | nice big hex error trying to run notepad of all programs :> | 07:45 |
| daftykins | yet i continued typing on irssi via KiTTY and playing an HD TV ep over the network 0o | 07:45 |
| dwatkins | sounds like a hardware problem | 08:43 |
| dwatkins | or was this not an actual OS crash, daftykins? | 08:43 |
| daftykins | lolz | 08:43 |
| daftykins | yeah it went like that then BSOD'd | 08:44 |
| daftykins | :D | 08:44 |
| daftykins | i'm on the same system again right now as if nothing happened | 08:44 |
| dwatkins | heh, I've even had Windows 8 BSOD on me a couple times, but I wasn't entirely surprised. | 08:44 |
| daftykins | i can't comment on 8, but i've never had any BSODs on XP or 7 that haven't been hardware/overclocking related | 08:45 |
| daftykins | overclocking being something FAR in my past :) | 08:45 |
| dwatkins | likewise, I suspect it might have been related to some driver I was installing that wasn't properly compatible with Win8. | 08:48 |
| daftykins | ah | 08:49 |
| daftykins | yeah i'm not sure what to make of this one | 08:50 |
| daftykins | i've seen the intel X25-M G2 SSD i've got fail to be detected by BIOS twice, i just power cycle and back she comes | 08:50 |
| dwatkins | even in IDE mode? | 08:51 |
| dwatkins | just wondering if that might indicate a software/firmware problem as opposed to a hardware problem. It's obviously not having an issue spinning-up in time ;) | 08:51 |
| * dwatkins wishes people would read more than just the first line of e-mails | 08:53 | |
| daftykins | well it'll fail to boot in PATA mode :) | 08:54 |
| daftykins | since i installed in AHCI mode | 08:54 |
| daftykins | there's seriously something wrong with my brain | 08:56 |
| daftykins | i was about to type 'most other' and it turned into 'mother' until i saw what i'd done | 08:56 |
| dwatkins | the brain does funny things with words somewins | 08:57 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:58 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: ;D | 08:58 |
| daftykins | davmor2: i doff my cap to you sir | 08:58 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: don't do that dude your head will get cold | 08:59 |
| daftykins | such was the motivation to be polite, i threw caution to the wind | 09:00 |
| dwatkins | I don't remove my cap when doffing it. | 09:00 |
| dwatkins | Clearly I'm not doing it right. | 09:00 |
| daftykins | for some reason i really want to cook pasta. | 09:01 |
| Laney | fogggggggggggyyyyyyyy | 09:23 |
| directhex | it was pretty foggy yesterday | 09:25 |
| mungbean | anyone know if it's straightforward to mount vmdk files in linux? | 09:32 |
| mungbean | (modern ones?) | 09:32 |
| dwatkins | http://superuser.com/questions/307525/how-to-mount-a-vmdk-vmware-virtual-harddisk-outside-of-the-virtual-machine | 09:34 |
| directhex | how does kpartx like them? | 09:34 |
| mungbean | hmm, seems to be an .exe | 09:38 |
| dwatkins | oh sorry, do you have a vmware-mount.pl, mungbean? | 09:40 |
| mungbean | no, is that what i need? | 09:40 |
| dwatkins | I believe so, sorry - I thought that superuser article would link to it | 09:40 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Ahoy | 09:40 |
| mungbean | that seems v old | 09:41 |
| mungbean | vmware images have changed | 09:41 |
| === dwatkins is now known as dw4tkins | ||
| === IdleOne is now known as io | ||
| Azelphur | Anyone know how I would go about giving a computer two hostnames? | 09:57 |
| Azelphur | My router is running dd-wrt | 09:57 |
| daftykins | why would you do that D: | 09:58 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: I have one machine which is both server, and tv | 09:59 |
| Azelphur | but later on I may split it into two separate boxes | 09:59 |
| directhex | you can't give a computer 2 hostnames, but you can make it resolve from more than one thing depending on the DNS setup you use | 09:59 |
| daftykins | or just hax your hosts file | 09:59 |
| Azelphur | I wonder if I can just hax the hosts file in dd-wrt | 09:59 |
| directhex | what DNS server runs on dd-wrt? | 10:00 |
| directhex | i'd guess dnsmasq | 10:00 |
| Azelphur | yep, dnsmasq | 10:00 |
| Azelphur | looks like it doesn't | 10:02 |
| Azelphur | directhex: with dnsmasq, I tried adding address=/tv/192.168.1.11 | 10:02 |
| Azelphur | which worked, but had the side effect of also hijacking *.tv | 10:03 |
| daftykins | do i go play with RAID or do i go to sleep, hrmm | 10:03 |
| Azelphur | so, everything.tv would resolve to 192.168.1.11 lol | 10:03 |
| daftykins | hehehe :D | 10:03 |
| daftykins | nothing like messing with storage setups when sleep deprived amirite? | 10:03 |
| Azelphur | oh hey, hosts file hack works | 10:06 |
| daftykins | two entries for each name at the same IP? | 10:06 |
| daftykins | no reason it wouldn't | 10:07 |
| Azelphur | yep | 10:07 |
| daftykins | heh i was trying to do the same on a mac recently and it wasn't working, then i realise i had the IP and name the wrong way 'round :( | 10:09 |
| dw4tkins | I use dnsmasq, Azelphur - it uses the hosts file and a nice simple little config file to setup an DHCP and DNS server for a small network | 10:15 |
| Azelphur | cool | 10:15 |
| Azelphur | well yea, got it working with my hosts hack now, which is good my nfc tags are back working :P | 10:16 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 10:22 |
| daftykins | to the celebratorium! | 10:22 |
| daftykins | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9f90x9L1W1qzs532o1_250.jpg | 10:25 |
| daftykins | omg. | 10:25 |
| dw4tkins | That's awesome, daftykins | 10:33 |
| daftykins | dw4tkins: :D | 10:37 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:39 |
| dw4tkins | wotcher brobostigon, how's the Pi? | 10:40 |
| brobostigon | dw4tkins: go it to output fine, except for one thing, there is a band on the left hand side, that is cut off by the tv, and i cant quite work out, hot to get it right. | 10:42 |
| brobostigon | got* | 10:42 |
| brobostigon | how* | 10:43 |
| daftykins | had some overscan troubles? | 10:44 |
| brobostigon | dw4tkins: i know it is a parameter in /boot/config* but i cant work out what, i think, or a parameter in its xorg.conf. | 10:44 |
| dw4tkins | hmm, not just a case of selecting the relevant zoom mode on the TV? | 10:44 |
| brobostigon | daftykins: is that what it is called, ah. | 10:45 |
| dw4tkins | I assume you're booting with the TV already connected and switched to that input | 10:45 |
| daftykins | when the picture falls off the sides ja | 10:45 |
| brobostigon | dw4tkins: yep. | 10:45 |
| dw4tkins | there's an IRC channel, #raspberrypi - they should know | 10:45 |
| brobostigon | both are set to 4/3 | 10:47 |
| brobostigon | dw4tkins: ok, i will ask them. | 10:47 |
| brobostigon | daftykins: so i adjust the overscan parameters? | 10:48 |
| daftykins | er well not for just one side being funny | 10:48 |
| dw4tkins | iirc you need to be registered to have voice in #raspberrypi | 10:48 |
| daftykins | usually overscan by either the TV or device is when the picture looks like it's been zoomed in on | 10:48 |
| daftykins | so that it's 'off' on all 4 sides | 10:49 |
| brobostigon | daftykins: nothing is missing, but on that left side. | 10:49 |
| daftykins | definitely persists across 'reboots' ? | 10:49 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 10:49 |
| daftykins | how funky. could be worth playing with the TV options, i don't own an r-pi though so the channel might be the best route to take | 10:50 |
| brobostigon | or i just try a different format like 16/9 ? | 10:50 |
| daftykins | i'd have thought you'd be in 16:9 mode already if that's the aspect ratio of your TV | 10:51 |
| brobostigon | the normal, i jjust checked for it, is/was set to 4/3 | 10:51 |
| daftykins | i'd say 16:9 was normal these days :) 4:3 aspect is ghettooooo! | 10:52 |
| popey | surely you're using composite? | 10:52 |
| brobostigon | ok, i will try 16:9. | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | popey: i am, yes. | 10:53 |
| popey | set resolution to 720x576? | 10:53 |
| popey | http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=8265 | 10:53 |
| popey | all well documented on their forums | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | ah, i will try that, thank you popey | 10:53 |
| daftykins | oh i was more just being a semantic pedant. i was assuming you were on a modern LCD TV over HDMI | 10:53 |
| daftykins | composite, ouchies | 10:54 |
| mungbean | directhex: dw4tkins , in repsonse to earlier question, after installing vmware-player latest version, then vmware-mount gets installed too, and allows me to mout it | 11:15 |
| d3ngar | Hi there, I'm struggling with a mysql "select into outfile" | 11:23 |
| d3ngar | Some research suggested that this has something to do with apparmor and that I need to whitelist directories for mysqld> | 11:24 |
| d3ngar | But I have done this, restarted both mySQL and Apparmor and I still can't write to a file | 11:24 |
| d3ngar | Errcode: 13 | 11:24 |
| d3ngar | Any clues? | 11:24 |
| dw4tkins | does the account under which the SQL daemon is running have permission to write the file, d3ngar? | 11:26 |
| popey | http://www.solid-run.com/cubox | 11:27 |
| d3ngar | dw4tkins: yes, absolutley | 11:29 |
| d3ngar | The folder is ~/Public/ | 11:29 |
| d3ngar | NAd i chmod it to 777 | 11:29 |
| dw4tkins | d3ngar: is the daemon running as the user? | 11:29 |
| dw4tkins | ah ok, in that case all I can suggest is checking the SQL server logs | 11:29 |
| d3ngar | The deamon? the deamon of mysql is running as mysql | 11:30 |
| diplo | d3ngar: I had that... new issue I believe with mysqk5 something | 11:31 |
| diplo | Have to add a setting to my.cnf | 11:31 |
| * diplo looks up | 11:31 | |
| xnox | my postman just told me I buy too much from amazon. | 11:31 |
| d3ngar | dw4tkins: I checked the logs, they are empty | 11:32 |
| d3ngar | diplo: thanks! | 11:32 |
| Laney | I have started to recognise the delivery people by their different knocks | 11:32 |
| dw4tkins | xnox: my postwoman (our receptionist) regularly pokes fun at me for this | 11:32 |
| xnox | Laney: =)))) | 11:33 |
| Azelphur | I'm using xfce, does anyone know how I'd tell it to use the gnome screensaver? | 11:33 |
| diplo | It sort of worked, ( just jogging memory ) but still had issues partially, moved the code to mysqli php statement | 11:33 |
| xnox | time of delivery as well. | 11:33 |
| Laney | xnox: ordered something nice? | 11:33 |
| xnox | nah just crap: little miss sunshine bug for my sister birthday, non-tangle headphones, life in uk (study guide for citizenship), a backpack..... | 11:34 |
| d3ngar | That's ridicolous: I can't really write a script for this piping out 40m lines! | 11:34 |
| Laney | haha | 11:34 |
| d3ngar | I just need to do this once | 11:34 |
| Laney | pity you having to do that citizenship test | 11:34 |
| diplo | You just using cli at the mo d3ngar ? | 11:35 |
| d3ngar | yes | 11:35 |
| d3ngar | I also have the GUI and other tools, but for the size of the outfile, it would be good to do this a very simple way | 11:35 |
| d3ngar | So using the mysql cli is the best thing, I guess | 11:35 |
| dw4tkins | when the zombipocalypse happens, delivery people will have to wear bodyarmor. | 11:35 |
| diplo | local-infile=1 in my.cnf sort of fixed it from memory ( few months ago ) | 11:36 |
| diplo | or can mysql --local-infile -u etc etc | 11:36 |
| diplo | We had this issue with a webhost after an upgrade | 11:37 |
| diplo | Worked fine in dev and just about everywhere apart from our web hosts :/ | 11:37 |
| d3ngar | diplo: yes, I understand | 11:37 |
| d3ngar | It's fine when it's your webhost, cause you can blame them | 11:37 |
| diplo | That local-infile needs to be in mysql/mysqld I sections i believe | 11:37 |
| d3ngar | but it's your own server, then you should just expect some things to work | 11:38 |
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| diplo | Supposedly a security prevention in newer versions of mysql | 11:38 |
| d3ngar | BS, I say | 11:38 |
| diplo | And I guess set per distro on how secure they are making it | 11:38 |
| d3ngar | Why the h*ll would mysqldump then still work fine? | 11:38 |
| d3ngar | I just don't want to use MySQL dump, cause it prints so much extra rubbish in the file that I'd have to clear | 11:39 |
| d3ngar | simple select command does this work much better and you can choose your own delimiter | 11:39 |
| d3ngar | (mine's a pipe) | 11:39 |
| ormiret | mysqldump is the client accessing files, the infile stuff is for the server doing that. | 11:39 |
| d3ngar | ormiret: fair point! | 11:40 |
| d3ngar | local-infile=1 still didn't work | 11:41 |
| brobostigon | ok, that kinda works, in 16:9 at 720:576, but it is still going over the edges. hmmm, | 11:41 |
| d3ngar | Is there really no other way than writing a script? | 11:42 |
| popey | overscan... | 11:42 |
| d3ngar | Why do I have to resort to Python to do something that should be straightforward? | 11:42 |
| brobostigon | popey: ok, so i just adjust those overscan parameters that are in config.txt ? | 11:42 |
| popey | I assume so | 11:43 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 11:43 |
| brobostigon | let me try. | 11:43 |
| diplo | d3ngar: You doing something like mysql -h ... -u ... db -e 'Select foo from bar' > /tmp/file.txt type dump ? | 11:44 |
| bigcalm_laptop | !ping | 11:46 |
| lubotu3 | pong! | 11:46 |
| bigcalm_laptop | !ding | 11:46 |
| lubotu3 | dong | 11:46 |
| mgdm | !pong | 11:46 |
| lubotu3 | pong is an old atari game. It's fun! | 11:46 |
| mgdm | :) | 11:46 |
| mungbean | anyone know of an rkhunter for windows? | 11:48 |
| dw4tkins | rkhunter? | 11:49 |
| mgdm | mungbean: spybot? | 11:49 |
| mungbean | i have readonly mounts of a clean and compromised windows servers and want to look for rootkits on the compromised one | 11:50 |
| mungbean | am starting by hashing the binaries on both | 11:50 |
| mungbean | but there must be tools available | 11:50 |
| popey | isnt that what antivirus packages are for? | 11:51 |
| dw4tkins | I vaguely remember there was some bootable antivirus system, probably a commercial thing though. | 11:51 |
| popey | microsoft have a tool to do it iirc | 11:51 |
| popey | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290 | 11:51 |
| popey | File Checksum Integrity Verifier (FCIV) | 11:51 |
| mungbean | cool. i am on a linux box because i don't want to boot the machines though | 11:52 |
| mungbean | offline analysis | 11:52 |
| mungbean | maybe clamav can search it though | 11:52 |
| popey | or... rkhunter? | 11:53 |
| mungbean | i thought rkhunter only looks for linux rootkits | 11:53 |
| popey | it does checksumming | 11:53 |
| popey | so you could do the comparison thing you said you wanted | 11:53 |
| mungbean | sysinternals had some tools but not on server 2008 | 11:57 |
| mungbean | since MS bought them yay | 11:57 |
| mungbean | gmer is a rootkit detector for win | 11:58 |
| mungbean | they all require booting the OS..how lame | 11:58 |
| diplo | mungbean: You in a rush for this ? A friend of mine does this sort of stuff all the time but away snow boarding atm | 12:00 |
| mungbean | yes unfortuantely | 12:00 |
| mungbean | however they are VMs so i will take a copy of the vm again to boot it | 12:01 |
| diplo | Well if you're still stuck after the weekend I can ask him | 12:01 |
| mungbean | maybe i'll find an irc channel for this specific issue | 12:01 |
| diplo | He got into it over the last 2 years with Cyber security challenge and stuff like that | 12:01 |
| popey | marxjohnson: has the front cover of your n7 case curled up at the corners like an old sandwich? | 14:25 |
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| * xnox got very confused. I raised the volume in the sound indicator and the music played by phone did not increase volume. | 14:56 | |
| mgdm | heh heh | 15:03 |
| mgdm | been there, done that | 15:03 |
| mungbean | any way to crack a password protected rar file? | 15:05 |
| directhex | dictionary attack? | 15:06 |
| mungbean | the pwned server i'm looking at involved downloading a .rar fie with a botnet kit in it | 15:06 |
| mungbean | can see the file listing only | 15:07 |
| shauno | tried googling the filenames (of the contents) and seeing if anyone's gone before you? | 15:08 |
| mungbean | yeah :( | 15:08 |
| mungbean | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1516943/ | 15:09 |
| popey | the key is probably in the payload | 15:10 |
| popey | oh nice, if you unpack that it'll autorun the .bat file | 15:10 |
| popey | looks like http://home.mcafee.com/virusinfo/virusprofile.aspx?key=568867 | 15:11 |
| mungbean | after that, storm is installed | 15:12 |
| mungbean | and a proxy is run | 15:12 |
| mungbean | what do u mean in english popey "the key is probably in the payload" | 15:13 |
| popey | well something grabbed the rar, didnt it | 15:13 |
| popey | that payload which pulled in the rar will have the key in it | 15:13 |
| popey | the password | 15:13 |
| mungbean | possibly a person (via rdesktop) | 15:13 |
| popey | really!? | 15:13 |
| mungbean | nothing to do with me | 15:13 |
| mungbean | but yes, via rdesktop | 15:14 |
| popey | usually there's a tiny stub which comes down from a website via XSS attack of somekind, which gets the next stage (your rar file), unpack/decrypts it and runs it | 15:14 |
| mungbean | hard to say the course of events | 15:14 |
| popey | so you might find something odd in the internet history | 15:14 |
| popey | surely if via rdesktop you have the event log which shows who connected and when? | 15:15 |
| mungbean | yes | 15:16 |
| mungbean | we saw that | 15:16 |
| mungbean | only event in internet history is 1 ip | 15:16 |
| mungbean | downloading the rar | 15:16 |
| feisar | how can I install grub when I'm running raid1? | 15:46 |
| feisar | grub-install /dev/sda | 15:46 |
| feisar | /dev/mapper/../dm-0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. | 15:46 |
| dw4tkins | I suspect you need to make a /boot that's visible to the BIOS as a separate partition from the RAID array, feisar | 15:55 |
| feisar | dw4tkins: thanks for the reply but I just fixed it... it is possible to raid1 the whole system you just need to install grub to both drive's mbrs | 16:00 |
| feisar | (i did it by purging and installing grub-pc) | 16:00 |
| dw4tkins | aha neat, feisar - bear in mind that you probably need to do that same operation every time you update the kernel etc. so they are stil in sync | 16:00 |
| feisar | oh right, I hadn't thought of that | 16:00 |
| dw4tkins | I've seen problems like that on large systems due to manual propagation of /boot | 16:01 |
| feisar | yes, of course, I guess the automatic script will just install to one drive | 16:01 |
| dw4tkins | a disk fails, the system can't be booted because although the / filesystems were in sync, /boot wasn't | 16:01 |
| feisar | well I think /boot will be in my case because it's part of the raid | 16:01 |
| feisar | *i think | 16:01 |
| feisar | it's one raid device with lvm on top of it | 16:02 |
| dw4tkins | you may also need to be careful with what modules are loaded and when, so that it has the RAID array available to load /boot | 16:03 |
| dw4tkins | I'm not sure that happens by default at the moment | 16:03 |
| brobostigon | the bbc is predicting snow here on saturday, | 16:04 |
| popey | yay | 16:05 |
| popey | I'll be flying out on saturday | 16:05 |
| popey | http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/94403 \o/ sunny | 16:06 |
| feisar | dw4tkins: I set up raid1 and LVM using the 12.04 installer and it seems to have gone ok, I think the only manual procedure needed is to install grub to both drives | 16:07 |
| * Laney upgrades laptop to raring and promptly notices an upgrade bug he introduced | 16:09 | |
| Laney | /o\ | 16:10 |
| popey | whopps | 16:10 |
| popey | or oops | 16:10 |
| Laney | bah, it's not minimal enough to have shown up in jenkins | 16:14 |
| Laney | oh well | 16:14 |
| czajkowski | Laney: sit down on the naughty step | 16:35 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: Oi no! that's mine and no one is taking it from me :P | 16:36 |
| jpds | popey: You're not Launchpad. | 16:50 |
| popey | ☺ | 16:50 |
| popey | thankfully! | 16:50 |
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| bigcalm | Ahoy hoy | 21:38 |
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