=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:20] grrr, sky [00:25] *shakes fist toward the heavens* [00:25] what's it done? :) [00:25] dropped me offline for 10 mins [00:25] and just as i was swinging my LAN across to BT, it came back [00:26] i really need to get pfsense up and running with proper connection monitoring [00:28] two ISPs? [00:28] ya [00:28] sky fibre unlimited pro and bt infinity 2 [00:28] this an office? [00:28] 2x 80Mbps down, 2x 20Mbps up [00:29] no [00:29] how rather greedy [00:29] nuro,can you torrent ? [00:29] greedy [00:29] ? [00:29] solarcloud_3scrn: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! [00:30] are you allowed to torrent ? [00:30] sure [00:30] sweet. [00:30] sky is a completely unlimited connection with no FUP [00:30] \fUP ? [00:30] BT say they'll throttle p2p at peak times, but unlimited otherwise [00:30] Fair Use Policy [00:30] ok [00:31] but i tend to encrypt torrent traffic, so i've never seen BT throttle my traffic [00:31] yeah it sounds a bit much for one user [00:31] i didn't think you could torrent in the UK, that's all. [00:31] lol wut? [00:31] lol? of course you can, it's a protocol not a law [00:31] oh OK. [00:32] torrenting copyrighted material is illegal (copyright infringement) [00:32] but that's the same as transferring copyrighted material over http [00:32] or nntp [00:32] or ftp [00:32] or through the post [00:32] the medium isn't the issue [00:32] why do you think ubuntu (from a london-based company) allows you to torrent their ISOs? [00:33] daftykins: and why do you think it's greedy or too much for one user? [00:33] so if I got sky unlimited pro .. I wouldn't have any monitors at the ISP, right ? [00:33] solarcloud_3scrn: they adhere to uk legislation [00:34] so they block stuff according to the iwf cleanfeed [00:34] neuro: must cost a bit :) mostly 'cause i get by on 16Mb down i guess [00:34] and they were legally required to block the pirate bay [00:34] so that's a No, then. [00:34] but apart from that you can do what you like, within legal limits of course [00:34] most ISPs don't actually "monitor" what you're doing, they have better things to do [00:35] this is why ISPs have generally resisted government calls for ISPs to police their users activities [00:35] does it matter if you have a VPN ? [00:35] indeed, mostly what ISPs want you to do is not phone them. Just quietly pay the bill, and don't break anything. [00:35] what do you mean "does it matter"? [00:36] will you still be picked up. ?? [00:36] "picked up"? [00:36] ISPs don't watch what you're doing [00:36] as a ill. downloader . [00:36] whether or not a third party will try to track torrent activity by connecting to trackers is another matter [00:36] then again, this is why i generally don't use public trackers *cough* [00:37] k [00:37] i recall downloading an episode of Battlestar Galactica the morning after it aired in the US [00:37] took me 30 minutes to download it [00:37] as soon as it was finished, i stopped the torrent and quit my client [00:37] three days later, i had one of those "oi, you were downloading battlestar.galactica.blah.blah.mkv, stop it" emails [00:38] .. yeah, we don't have that here .. IoM. [00:39] granted this was years ago, but since then i make sure i use private trackers, and use the encrypted-peers-only option in my clients and ... something else, forgotten :P [00:39] we pay an extra gov. rate that goes to the film/ entert. industry .. £1 a month I think. [00:40] errr [00:40] ok? [00:40] solves that one , hay ? [00:41] you sure about that? [00:41] yep. [00:41] i dloaded terrabytes since 2044 ... [00:41] **2004. [00:41] solarcloud_3scrn: where are you? [00:42] Isle of Man. [00:42] Mark lives down the road. [00:42] can you cite something that you're talking about? [00:42] solarcloud_3scrn: why are you asking so many shifty questions? [00:43] the law .. i did have a youtube vid. but I've lost it. [00:43] just seeing if the UK is worth it .. seems it's not. [00:43] well if a youtube video said it ... ;) [00:44] to move to? [00:44] wait, you're saying the uk isn't worth living in because of robust copyright infringement controls? [00:44] (it was a politcian ). [00:44] yep. [00:44] we dont have that law here. [00:44] wat?! [00:45] yeh , I'm watching 7 psycopaths right now. [00:45] i could be watching it as well, it's sitting on my nas right now [00:46] manx.. it's a freedom to florish.. [00:46] solarcloud_3scrn: i'm in the Channel Islands, most of the law is copied over from England. i'd be surprised if you're as exempt as you think you are [00:46] you're right [00:47] well n-one has ever questioned/ emailed me .. and I have proof that no one has been prosecuted. i know a lawyer. [00:47] IoM has a lot of UK copyright law and agreements extended to it [00:47] and [00:47] all the articles i'm finally finding about this [00:47] are for a *proposal* for a £1/mo tax to permit unlimited MUSIC usage in IoM [00:47] all from around jan/feb 2009 [00:48] i've heard people get letters / emails / phone calls from our main ISP when they're using public torrents. if you do that you might as well phone the RIAA/MPAA and tell 'em what you've been getting [00:48] public = fail [00:48] :) [00:48] gotta go . the films getting to a goodie ... [00:48] well before you go [00:48] enjoy [00:48] just bear in mind i think you're operating under a falsehood [00:49] you're just as liable when downloading infringing material in the IoM as you are in the UK [00:49] you just haven't been caught yet :) [00:51] i honestly can't find anything that says this was implemented [00:54] yeah, i don't think this ever happened [00:54] http://www.isleofman.com/News/details/36724/music-download-deal-a-long-way-off- [00:54] it does sound unlikely to be granted [00:55] neuro: what do you pay for each of those services? [00:55] um [00:55] iirc 30 for sky, 26 for bt [00:55] plus line rental for both [00:55] daym [00:56] they do VDSL over here now, 40Mb/2Mb - £35/mo with line rental £9.70/m ish [00:56] no caps or FUP either [00:56] "here"? [00:56] Guernsey [00:56] right [00:56] well that's what sky's initial offering was [00:56] 40 down 2 up [00:56] yeah i want more upload for sure =/ [00:56] i speed bumped mine when sky announced pro (80/20) [00:56] * ormiret waits very impatiently to get anything beyond ADSL2 [00:56] useless for hosting things from home without :> [00:57] ormiret: where are you? :) [00:57] probably somewhere that openreach hasn't enabled cabs for vdsl yet [00:57] Aberdeen; there is better in some of the city but not for me yet. [00:57] ah [00:58] ah yer a chuchter! [00:58] i've never been up north. everyone always says not to bother... [00:58] WAT? [00:58] aberdeen is awesome [00:58] it has a beach and everything [00:58] i've enough beaches where i am :> [00:58] lol [00:59] You probably don't get much ice on your beaches though. [00:59] nope rarely there's any snow over here, if any settles it's only overnight and melts quite quickly [00:59] though there was enough for a sled run down a hill back in '96 [01:00] that was the only proper snow i've seen in my life [01:03] aww, bless :) [01:06] well, locally i should qualify [01:06] went snowboarding last March ^_^ [01:11] did you use gnu.com ?? [01:20] just ordered another programming book .. and a lead for my Amilo/fujitsu off amazon .. hope it worx well. [01:21] they alway say I could have it by Friday.. then when i've bought; say the delivery could take 14 days ! .. go figure. [01:22] because the amazon default is to assume if you use 1-day delivery and you're in the UK, you'll get it on friday [01:22] hope so. [01:22] you *could* have it by friday ... if you pay extra ... and you're in the UK [01:22] solarcloud_3scrn: what's the IoM postal service like? slow/fast? [01:22] same .. we dnt have secong class post though. [01:22] ours is pretty bad and gone down to 5 deliveries a week since LVCR (low value consignment relief) got made unlawful [01:22] HMV's warehouse closed [01:22] play.com just closed [01:23] (they were based out of Jersey) [01:23] yeah , I think Jersey is pretty screwed asfar as a VAT juristiction . too many overlords IMHO. [01:24] Is the customer service at shops generally kack or ok ? [01:25] IoM.. has the worst in EU by far. [01:25] what shops where? [01:25] in Jersey. [01:25] i don't live there [01:25] right. [01:26] i'm on Guernsey, but most low jobs like retail are done by Latvian immigrants now [01:26] sounds familiar. [01:26] so you get what you can explain between languages ^_^ [01:27] do you know a property website for the channel islands ? [01:27] i just recently bought a house, there were over 15 for my island alone [01:27] trust me it's pricey :) [01:28] start with www.martelmaides.co.uk [01:28] opening... [01:28] you'll need to select either open or local market, local market are local houses for LOCAL PEOPLE! as the phrase goes [01:30] so it's £700k , basically. [01:31] errr no [01:31] what did you look at? [01:32] http://www.martelmaides.co.uk/properties?filter[market]=Open&filter[rent_or_buy]=Buy&filter[minimum_bedrooms]=1&filter[parish]=any&filter[price_range]=0-1000000 [01:34] oh, open [01:34] ooh that first one is on the smaller island of Sark too [01:34] well I'm not local, am I ? [01:34] hope you like horse and carriage rides [01:34] how much d you think the first one is worth ? [01:35] i'm too youthful to have any practical knowledge [01:35] Sark is different, nobody's allowed to own a house over there [01:35] surething. [01:35] you can only sort of - hold a mortgage for a set period of time as far as i understand [01:35] were you born on the IoM or are you originally from the US? [01:36] no I'm manx. [01:36] born here. [01:37] I think there are still direct AFAs I know. [01:37] **direct flights.. [01:38] AFA 0o [01:38] that a local term? [01:38] as far as ... [01:40] there isn't much of a hacking community here .. [01:40] * solarcloud_3scrn must change that ... (Ment. note :) [01:41] whats it like on Guernsey ?? [01:41] err [01:41] simple [01:41] guess not. [01:42] 'hacking' ? :P [01:42] yeah. [01:42] like a hackspace etc .. [01:43] are you talking about the general messing around with technology, or the unlawful gaining access kind? :) [01:43] the term has been utterly destroyed by the media of late [01:43] 1st. [01:44] ah there's no community here [01:44] some of the UK bunch in here recommended starting a LUG [01:44] yeah, we do have a LUG.. [01:44] doing better than here then [01:45] always needs fresh blood for the grinder, as always. [01:45] It's strange, because everyone uses computers, but no-one questions them .. odd really. [01:46] I blame warranties.. [01:47] It's much the same for non-computer things too. Very few people know much about how their car works. [01:48] true. i dont, but I wanna electric one [01:48] * solarcloud_3scrn scans ebay/uk for an electric car ..... [01:50] mm 49 electric cars .. £3.5k to £32k .. no tesla cars yet :( [01:52] i don't think any electric car designer has thought properly long-long term about their creations [01:52] so the batteries die and you do... what exactly? :D [01:52] walk [01:53] 'xactly [01:53] Why do they have to look like they are from Mars ?? http://goo.gl/lSQsE [01:54] because the french are mental [01:54] http://www.teslamotors.com/models [01:54] cant get tesla here can we ? [01:55] nope [01:56] http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Renault-TWIZY-Colour-Electric-White-Automatic-/00/$T2eC16dHJGYE9noojjIsBQVw!EuH0!~~_12.JPG [01:56] rofl [01:56] looks like it's a car that a vicar would drive or mental-a-la francais , then. [01:57] they should open source the whole thing ;) [01:58] your english is so incredibly incoherent, i don't quite get why it is o0 [01:59] soz about that .. [01:59] Perhaps .. these aren't the droids you are looking for .... [02:00] does anyone actually speak the local gaelic over there? [02:00] they should open source a car? [02:00] oh good grief [02:00] internet down again [02:00] yes and Yes, definately. [02:00] * neuro shakes fist at sky [02:00] popey's cat won't ike that. [02:01] **like [02:01] hmm, it's back [02:01] wonder what's going on [02:01] waaaaooooow [02:02] http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx [02:02] i hadn't seen *that* before [02:02] that's gorgeous [02:05] BTW .. it's out .. http://goo.gl/PhaLB [02:07] ooh i was wrong [02:07] deliveries of model S in UK begin mid 2013 [02:07] sounds good. [02:07] standard model purchase requires £4K "reservation payment" [02:07] signature model requires £30K [02:08] https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/own#/model-s [02:08] how much is the cheapest ?it's $50k in us ?? [02:09] yup [02:09] what's that £35k here, then ? [02:09] "Prices do not include Tesla Personal Delivery, Final Inspection, Prep and Coordination fee, taxes, license and title fees, or regionally required equipment, service, and charges." [02:10] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=usdgbp [02:10] opening... [02:11] err, ok .. whats your point ? [02:12] yeh, so I was right. Soooo ? [02:13] I've got to get back to trading, So I see you in the morning, bye all. [02:13] I'll === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz [07:42] and then it was that the desktop BSOD'd [07:42] and the intel G2 SSD was no longer detected [07:43] oh yay. [07:43] morning all o/ [07:44] morning [07:44] orning all [07:45] nothing like a good power cycle to sort that out [07:45] Windows is hilarious when it's throwing its' toys out of the pram though [07:45] nice big hex error trying to run notepad of all programs :> [07:45] yet i continued typing on irssi via KiTTY and playing an HD TV ep over the network 0o [08:43] sounds like a hardware problem [08:43] or was this not an actual OS crash, daftykins? [08:43] lolz [08:44] yeah it went like that then BSOD'd [08:44] :D [08:44] i'm on the same system again right now as if nothing happened [08:44] heh, I've even had Windows 8 BSOD on me a couple times, but I wasn't entirely surprised. [08:45] i can't comment on 8, but i've never had any BSODs on XP or 7 that haven't been hardware/overclocking related [08:45] overclocking being something FAR in my past :) [08:48] likewise, I suspect it might have been related to some driver I was installing that wasn't properly compatible with Win8. [08:49] ah [08:50] yeah i'm not sure what to make of this one [08:50] i've seen the intel X25-M G2 SSD i've got fail to be detected by BIOS twice, i just power cycle and back she comes [08:51] even in IDE mode? [08:51] just wondering if that might indicate a software/firmware problem as opposed to a hardware problem. It's obviously not having an issue spinning-up in time ;) [08:53] * dwatkins wishes people would read more than just the first line of e-mails [08:54] well it'll fail to boot in PATA mode :) [08:54] since i installed in AHCI mode [08:56] there's seriously something wrong with my brain [08:56] i was about to type 'most other' and it turned into 'mother' until i saw what i'd done [08:57] the brain does funny things with words somewins [08:58] Morning all [08:58] dwatkins: ;D [08:58] davmor2: i doff my cap to you sir [08:59] daftykins: don't do that dude your head will get cold [09:00] such was the motivation to be polite, i threw caution to the wind [09:00] I don't remove my cap when doffing it. [09:00] Clearly I'm not doing it right. [09:01] for some reason i really want to cook pasta. [09:23] fogggggggggggyyyyyyyy [09:25] it was pretty foggy yesterday [09:32] anyone know if it's straightforward to mount vmdk files in linux? [09:32] (modern ones?) [09:34] http://superuser.com/questions/307525/how-to-mount-a-vmdk-vmware-virtual-harddisk-outside-of-the-virtual-machine [09:34] how does kpartx like them? [09:38] hmm, seems to be an .exe [09:40] oh sorry, do you have a vmware-mount.pl, mungbean? [09:40] no, is that what i need? [09:40] I believe so, sorry - I thought that superuser article would link to it [09:40] Ahoy [09:41] that seems v old [09:41] vmware images have changed === dwatkins is now known as dw4tkins === IdleOne is now known as io [09:57] Anyone know how I would go about giving a computer two hostnames? [09:57] My router is running dd-wrt [09:58] why would you do that D: [09:59] daftykins: I have one machine which is both server, and tv [09:59] but later on I may split it into two separate boxes [09:59] you can't give a computer 2 hostnames, but you can make it resolve from more than one thing depending on the DNS setup you use [09:59] or just hax your hosts file [09:59] I wonder if I can just hax the hosts file in dd-wrt [10:00] what DNS server runs on dd-wrt? [10:00] i'd guess dnsmasq [10:00] yep, dnsmasq [10:02] looks like it doesn't [10:02] directhex: with dnsmasq, I tried adding address=/tv/192.168.1.11 [10:03] which worked, but had the side effect of also hijacking *.tv [10:03] do i go play with RAID or do i go to sleep, hrmm [10:03] so, everything.tv would resolve to 192.168.1.11 lol [10:03] hehehe :D [10:03] nothing like messing with storage setups when sleep deprived amirite? [10:06] oh hey, hosts file hack works [10:06] two entries for each name at the same IP? [10:07] no reason it wouldn't [10:07] yep [10:09] heh i was trying to do the same on a mac recently and it wasn't working, then i realise i had the IP and name the wrong way 'round :( [10:15] I use dnsmasq, Azelphur - it uses the hosts file and a nice simple little config file to setup an DHCP and DNS server for a small network [10:15] cool [10:16] well yea, got it working with my hosts hack now, which is good my nfc tags are back working :P [10:22] \o/ [10:22] to the celebratorium! [10:25] http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9f90x9L1W1qzs532o1_250.jpg [10:25] omg. [10:33] That's awesome, daftykins [10:37] dw4tkins: :D [10:39] good morning everyone, [10:40] wotcher brobostigon, how's the Pi? [10:42] dw4tkins: go it to output fine, except for one thing, there is a band on the left hand side, that is cut off by the tv, and i cant quite work out, hot to get it right. [10:42] got* [10:43] how* [10:44] had some overscan troubles? [10:44] dw4tkins: i know it is a parameter in /boot/config* but i cant work out what, i think, or a parameter in its xorg.conf. [10:44] hmm, not just a case of selecting the relevant zoom mode on the TV? [10:45] daftykins: is that what it is called, ah. [10:45] I assume you're booting with the TV already connected and switched to that input [10:45] when the picture falls off the sides ja [10:45] dw4tkins: yep. [10:45] there's an IRC channel, #raspberrypi - they should know [10:47] both are set to 4/3 [10:47] dw4tkins: ok, i will ask them. [10:48] daftykins: so i adjust the overscan parameters? [10:48] er well not for just one side being funny [10:48] iirc you need to be registered to have voice in #raspberrypi [10:48] usually overscan by either the TV or device is when the picture looks like it's been zoomed in on [10:49] so that it's 'off' on all 4 sides [10:49] daftykins: nothing is missing, but on that left side. [10:49] definitely persists across 'reboots' ? [10:49] yes. [10:50] how funky. could be worth playing with the TV options, i don't own an r-pi though so the channel might be the best route to take [10:50] or i just try a different format like 16/9 ? [10:51] i'd have thought you'd be in 16:9 mode already if that's the aspect ratio of your TV [10:51] the normal, i jjust checked for it, is/was set to 4/3 [10:52] i'd say 16:9 was normal these days :) 4:3 aspect is ghettooooo! [10:52] surely you're using composite? [10:53] ok, i will try 16:9. [10:53] popey: i am, yes. [10:53] set resolution to 720x576? [10:53] http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=8265 [10:53] all well documented on their forums [10:53] ah, i will try that, thank you popey [10:53] oh i was more just being a semantic pedant. i was assuming you were on a modern LCD TV over HDMI [10:54] composite, ouchies [11:15] directhex: dw4tkins , in repsonse to earlier question, after installing vmware-player latest version, then vmware-mount gets installed too, and allows me to mout it [11:23] Hi there, I'm struggling with a mysql "select into outfile" [11:24] Some research suggested that this has something to do with apparmor and that I need to whitelist directories for mysqld> [11:24] But I have done this, restarted both mySQL and Apparmor and I still can't write to a file [11:24] Errcode: 13 [11:24] Any clues? [11:26] does the account under which the SQL daemon is running have permission to write the file, d3ngar? [11:27] http://www.solid-run.com/cubox [11:29] dw4tkins: yes, absolutley [11:29] The folder is ~/Public/ [11:29] NAd i chmod it to 777 [11:29] d3ngar: is the daemon running as the user? [11:29] ah ok, in that case all I can suggest is checking the SQL server logs [11:30] The deamon? the deamon of mysql is running as mysql [11:31] d3ngar: I had that... new issue I believe with mysqk5 something [11:31] Have to add a setting to my.cnf [11:31] * diplo looks up [11:31] my postman just told me I buy too much from amazon. [11:32] dw4tkins: I checked the logs, they are empty [11:32] diplo: thanks! [11:32] I have started to recognise the delivery people by their different knocks [11:32] xnox: my postwoman (our receptionist) regularly pokes fun at me for this [11:33]