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ochosiknome: for tomorrow's meeting, it'd be nice if gtk-theme-config (shimmer-ppa) could be looked at, and testing for the new display-dialog, thunar1.6.x and mousepad 0.3 (all three from the xfce4.12 ppa) could be scheduled in terms of including it in R. thanks!01:00
ochosi(as i mentioned previously i won't be able to attend tomorrow due to a worktrip)01:00
mr_pouitI didn't include the new display settings in raring because it's a dev release, but all other things are already in raring01:07
ochosioh01:07
ochosiand hi! :)01:07
ochosiwell still, imo we should get it in01:08
ochosiit's too nice an improvement not to have it imo01:08
mr_pouithey, and fine by me, it's our code anyway :P01:11
ochosihehe01:11
ochosiyeah, so no chance for regressions ;)01:12
mr_pouithaha01:13
bluesabreagreed with all the above01:15
bluesabre:)01:15
ochosi:]01:16
micahgochosi: thunar 1.6.x and mousepad 0.3 are in raring AFAICT01:19
ochosimicahg: yeah, mr_pouit mentioned that a few minutes above ;)01:19
Unit193Alright, anyone have a *fresh* 13.04 Xubuntu 32bit install?  Noskcaj_afk?03:09
jackson__Unit193, no sorry, only a heavily modded xubuntu12.10 amd6405:53
Unit193Alright, thanks.06:05
knomebluesabre, were you able to make it today?08:09
bluesabreknome: I should be able to.09:53
knomebluesabre, ok, good09:55
knomebluesabre, do you have some time before it, like 30mins?09:55
knomeor 2009:56
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bluesabre_knome: I'll try to be around before.  What time is it at again?14:14
knomebluesabre_, in 20. :)14:41
bluesabre_alrighty, I'll be here.  :-)14:43
knomegreat14:43
knomecan i have a quick pm?14:43
bluesabre_sure14:43
pleia2o/14:58
knomehullo14:59
bluesabre_:D14:59
maddernickIs there a meeting?14:59
knomei'm starting the meeting and going through the formalities14:59
knomei'll ask who's around in a bit14:59
knome#startmeeting Xubuntu community meetings14:59
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knome#topic Items carried on14:59
knome#subtopic Open action items from previous meeting15:00
knome#action knome to draft flyer looks15:00
meetingologyACTION: knome to draft flyer looks15:00
knomenot happened.15:00
knome#chair pleia2 15:00
meetingologyCurrent chairs: knome pleia215:00
knomeso, who's here for the meeting?15:00
pleia2me15:00
maddernicko/15:00
knomeraise your hands or sth so you'll get logged15:00
bluesabre_me15:01
bluesabre_o/15:01
knomeok, great15:01
knomemicahg, dingdong15:01
jjfrv8o/15:01
knome#topic Team updates15:01
knomehey jjfrv8 :)15:01
knome#subtopic Development15:01
micahghi15:01
knomemicahg, mr_pouit 15:01
knomei suppose there's a few things that has happened since the start of the R cycle15:02
knome....and we all can still use #action and #info. :)15:03
bluesabre_#info parole 0.4.0 released, looking for testers (not enough bugs logged on it)15:03
micahg#info mr_pouit has gotten newer versions of various components into raring15:03
knomei'll talk a bit more about testing later15:03
micahg#info i386 ISO is CD size again (minus fr langpacks)15:04
knomebut parole getting forward is a good idea!15:04
knomeerr, s/idea/news/ :)15:04
micahg#info micahg working on rebuild FTBFS failures, mostly related to multiarch python headers15:04
micahg#action micahg to attempt to make amd64 ISO CD size by alpha2 (useful for its timing, but we're not shipping it)15:05
meetingologyACTION: micahg to attempt to make amd64 ISO CD size by alpha2 (useful for its timing, but we're not shipping it)15:05
micahgquestions or comments?15:05
knome#info just for general information, the alpha2 is most probably going to be postponed by a few days (read ubuntu-release archives for more info)15:06
knomemicahg, is there something that's building up the iso size by a lot again?15:06
knomeand/or can we expect something like that15:06
micahgidk, I'd have to compare the manifest from quantal to raring15:06
knomebut we didn't go over by much anyway?15:07
micahgwe can expect it to increase over time due to new core system deps15:07
micahgamd64 is only 10MB over15:07
knomeis there any hopes of getting python2 or sth else big dropped this cycle?15:07
micahgdoubtful15:07
bluesabre_I should have a python3 catfish in the coming weeks15:07
knome..and/or should we seriously talk about (dropping) langpacks in the next weeks?15:08
micahgI don't think I'm in a position to do massive python3 porting15:08
micahges zh-hans xh pt is all that's left15:08
micahgwe can drop es or pt and probably be CD sized now15:08
knomei don't think anybody should take that responsibility alone15:08
micahgor very close toit15:08
knomedo we have a general idea what needs to be ported from python2?15:09
knomedo you think it would make sense to list those, and try to get some people to work on it?15:09
knomewe've had quite many people interested in helping with xubuntu lately (don't know how many are familiar with python)15:09
knomethat could create some positive momentum if we had something to point the people to15:10
micahgI could probably dig up a list, we could see if any of the upstreams of those components have ported to python315:10
knomeso would you be willing to take an official action item for that?15:10
knome;)15:10
micahgto get the list, sure15:11
bluesabre_I look forward to seeing that list :)15:11
knome#action micahg to create a list of things that needs porting from python2 to python315:11
meetingologyACTION: micahg to create a list of things that needs porting from python2 to python315:11
micahg#action micahg to get list of packages in Xubuntu using python215:11
meetingologyACTION: micahg to get list of packages in Xubuntu using python215:11
knomehehe15:11
knomewell...15:11
knomesome reminders.15:11
micahg#action micahg to finish fixing FTBFS failures found in the rebuilds15:11
meetingologyACTION: micahg to finish fixing FTBFS failures found in the rebuilds15:11
knome#info we'll see how the python-port list looks like, then reconsider if we should consider dropping langpacks15:12
micahganything else?15:12
knomemmh15:13
knomei don't think that there's anything at this point15:13
micahgwe only have 1 webkit, but 2 GTKs and 2 python215:13
micahg*pythons15:13
knomeyeah15:13
knomei don't think dropping gtk2 is realistic any time soon, that's why i started poking on the python side15:14
knome(don't get that wrong...)15:14
micahgsurely not until Xfce is ported15:14
knomeanyway15:14
knomethanks micahg :)15:14
knome#subtopic Quality Assurance15:14
* micahg wants to drop tcl..15:14
knomewhat's blocking?15:14
micahgit's a recommends of xchat, but that only gets up half way15:15
micahg*us15:15
knomenothing else is keeping that in?15:15
micahgI think so15:17
knomeok15:17
knome#action micahg to see if anything else than xchat is keeping tcl in (recommends for xchat), team investigates possibility to drop tcl15:18
meetingologyACTION: micahg to see if anything else than xchat is keeping tcl in (recommends for xchat), team investigates possibility to drop tcl15:18
knome#nick team15:18
knomeso QA15:18
knome#action knome gathers a list of things we want to test before alpha215:18
meetingologyACTION: knome gathers a list of things we want to test before alpha215:18
knome#action bluesabre_ lists things he wants tested in his projects15:18
meetingologyACTION: bluesabre_ lists things he wants tested in his projects15:18
bluesabre_#info parole 0.4 is out and available in raring, lots of new features and fixes, testers needed15:19
knome#info we will do some specific cadence testing before a215:19
knome#info when a2 is out, we will do more of more general cadence testing15:19
knome#action knome will send more information on the ML, team shouts out in social media etc. for anybody to help with testing15:20
meetingologyACTION: knome will send more information on the ML, team shouts out in social media etc. for anybody to help with testing15:20
knomeis there anything else in QA?15:20
knomequestions about testing for R or sth?15:20
pleia2do we want to do another blog post about testing?15:21
pleia2(haven't had a post in a while)15:21
knomepleia2, yes.15:21
knomei'll switch the subtopic quickly.15:21
pleia2ok, you can action me to draft it after you've sent the mailing list info15:21
knome#subtopic Marketing, Promotion and Artwork15:21
pleia2er, info to mailing list15:21
knome#action pleia2 drafts a new blog article on testing after knome has sent information on testing to ML15:22
meetingologyACTION: pleia2 drafts a new blog article on testing after knome has sent information on testing to ML15:22
knome#info we contacted the identi.ca xubuntu group and will be co-admins of that soon15:22
bluesabre_yay!15:22
pleia2(hopefully :))15:22
knomeyeah.15:22
knomebut no reason why not, if people look at their email15:23
knomeis there some other social media outlets we should be on?15:23
knomei'm not proposing to create anything new, but see if there's something existing we can make official, like the G+ page15:23
bluesabre_diaspora (lol)15:23
knomewell, we are on facebook..15:23
pleia2I haven't seen anything pop up lately15:24
knomedoes anybody in the team have a diaspora account, or how does that stuff even work? :P15:24
bluesabre_I have one, doesn't really work so well since its decentralized, and all it really seems to be is cat pictures15:24
knomeok, so let's not go there15:24
pleia2hehe15:25
knomeanything else on the subjects?15:25
bluesabre_any new case badges or anything, pleia2?15:25
knomeoh15:25
pleia2no new ones, still have a billion of the old ones :)15:25
knome#info knome is seriously considering of ordering one more xubuntu t-shirt for testing quality etc 15:26
pleia2\o/15:26
knomepleia2, seriously? i've almost given all of mine away..15:26
knomeand i don't go into LUG's, see people, or anything like that!15:26
knome:P15:26
pleia2I ordered a lot :)15:26
knome100?15:27
knomeor you did another batch?15:27
pleia2still the 10015:27
knomeok15:27
pleia2holidays here make everyone disappear from events and I've been busy ;)15:27
knomeheh15:27
knomeright15:27
knomeit's the boring general weekday life that does it here15:27
pleia2#info we have someone working on updated screenshots for the website for 12.10 (better late than never!)15:28
knomeanyway, any other things on m/p/a?15:28
knomeooh!15:28
pleia2#info as always, we could use more team members contributing blog posts, you know where to find me :)15:28
knome#action team should work more on listing low-hanging fruit for new contributors to grow the community15:29
meetingologyACTION: team should work more on listing low-hanging fruit for new contributors to grow the community15:29
pleia2I think that's it for mpa15:29
knomei've been blogging quite a lot about xubuntu'ish things on my blog and tweeting them with the xubuntu account15:29
knome#info if you write about xubuntu (development) on your blog, it's possible to tweet about that @Xubuntu15:30
bluesabre_I always write a xubuntu review post a few days following release, I'll keep that in mind.15:30
knomeyup, just remind us15:30
knome#info or, if you're on twitter yourself, we can retweet too..15:31
knome#info knome has been retweeting some nice comments for @Xubuntu anyway15:31
pleia2:)15:31
knome#subtopic Documentation, Website15:31
knomeanything on this?15:32
knomewell, the note about somebody working on the screenshots15:32
bluesabre_knome, you mentioned considering moving the help documents to yelp at one point15:32
knomeam i failing on the categoriing again? :)15:32
knome+z15:32
pleia2#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-r-xubuntu-docs15:32
knomebluesabre_, right. we should talk about that in #ubuntu-docs15:32
knomebluesabre_, somebody there suggested that15:32
bluesabre_ah15:33
knomefor being able to have translations and stuff15:33
knomebluesabre_, you interested in finding out more about that?15:33
bluesabre_I might be able to help.  I've done some stuff with mallard15:33
knomemh15:34
knome#action bluesabre_ to investigate moving to yelp with docs to enable translations and stuff15:34
meetingologyACTION: bluesabre_ to investigate moving to yelp with docs to enable translations and stuff15:34
knomeanything else?15:34
bluesabre_brb15:35
knomeok, probably not15:35
knome#subtopic General updates15:35
knomeanything else?15:35
micahgare we having a default apps discussion at all?15:36
knomemicahg, hurrrr15:36
knomemicahg, if you *really* want to :)15:36
knomei mean15:36
pleia2the Community Council has been meeting with teams this cycle, next Thursday (17th) it's Xubuntu's turn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda15:36
pleia2consider this your invite :)15:36
pleia2I'll remind on the day too, 7 days a 1.5 hrs from now15:37
knomepleia2, can i consider that as an invite, or should i consider that as a must since i asked for that?15:37
knome;)15:37
bluesabre_back15:37
pleia2:)15:37
bluesabre_mousepad15:37
micahgno, I'd rather not, but maybe there's something we're shipping that's not worthwhile15:37
knomeso that's more about "dropping things we don't need" than "default applications" talk15:38
knomewith def apps i'm thinking about somebody wanting to *replace* something15:38
knomei think mousepad is a good proposal though15:38
knomei mean, in the sense that it's a good proposal to look at it, not taking any side if it's good to include or not (yet)15:39
bluesabre_I think it should be considered15:39
knomemicahg, let's schedule some time later to look at the seed togheter15:39
bluesabre_Its minimalistic, but can actually be used for development15:39
knome*together15:39
knome#action team to schedule some time to look at the seed and consider dropping unneded things15:40
meetingologyACTION: team to schedule some time to look at the seed and consider dropping unneded things15:40
knomebluesabre_, leafpad is too, and i suppose that's what you're proposing to replace, so no problem with that.15:40
micahgbluesabre: we switched to leafpad in oneiric to get rid of xfprint415:40
knomei there still that dep?15:40
micahgno15:40
knomein mousepad i mean15:41
micahgno15:41
knomeok, then np from my POV15:41
knomeif we move back to mousepad, i'm wondering if we should create a symlink for leafpad since many people have learnt *that* now15:42
knomelike me.15:42
micahgmousepad is a bit bigger15:42
knomedefine "a bit"15:42
knome1 byte?15:42
micahg100k15:42
micahgwith a few more deps15:42
knomemmh15:42
knomelet's consider that15:42
* micahg wonders why an editor needs a dep on dbus15:42
knome#action team to consider switching leafpad to mousepad15:42
meetingologyACTION: team to consider switching leafpad to mousepad15:42
pleia2heh15:42
knome#topic Announcements15:43
knome#subtopic Changes of positions on the Xubuntu team15:43
knome#info elfy dropped a line that he can't help in the R cycle; knome will take over the QA-related stuff (again)15:43
knome#info The term for XPL ends at the end of this cycle15:44
knome#info Since we changed the Strategy Document, the next term will only be 2 (two) releases, since the term is designed to end with an LTS release.15:44
knome#info We will be voting on extending the current XPL's term at the end of the cycle; if not extended, a new XPL will serve for two cycles15:45
knomeanything you want to ask?15:45
micahgwhy an extension instead of a new election?15:45
knomewell, you can consider that as a new election15:45
micahgor is the new term supposed to be 2 years?15:45
* micahg supposes he should read the doc15:46
knomei'm partly disqualified in this thing15:46
knomeit used to be 1,5 years15:46
knomebut that doesn't make sense because it doesn't allow long-term planning (because it doesn't always end with an LTS release)15:46
knomeso yes, the term is supposed to be 2 years15:46
knomebut this is the exception, because the overruling rule is that the term should end with an LTS release15:47
micahgok, then extending your term to 2.5 years isn't unreasonable15:47
knomeno, but i'm completely okay with doing a vote, because i changed that thing in the SD myself15:47
knomeand i think we need to do one15:47
micahgknome: oh, I agree that it should be put to a vote :)15:47
knomethere's a slight possibility that i'm saying "i won't!"15:47
knomeand then you *have to* elect somebody else, like micahg or bluesabre_ 15:48
knome>:)15:48
pleia2:P15:48
knomeor pleia2!15:48
* micahg would vote for pleia2 15:48
pleia2noo15:48
knomehaha15:48
micahghehe15:48
bluesabre_I'd vote for not me15:48
knomei suppose the SD says one must be willing to serve... ;)15:48
knomeif it doesn't, we should change that before voting...15:49
pleia2lol15:49
knomeanyway, that's it for announcements15:49
knomeany other team leads have other announcements?15:49
knomepleia2, maybe post the CC invite here with #info?15:49
knomeif it's still on your history15:49
pleia2right15:50
pleia2#info the Community Council has been meeting with teams this cycle, next Thursday (17th) it's Xubuntu's turn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda15:50
knomethanks15:50
knome#topic New and emerging items15:50
knome#subtopic Serbian translation for Xfce 4.1015:51
knomemicahg?15:51
knomewhat do you want to discuss15:51
knomeor is this something you should discuss with mr_pouit 15:51
knome#subtopic Discuss changing Xfce translations to a langpack system similar to KDE (makes it easier to update translations post release)15:52
knomethat's pretty much the same subject15:52
micahgsorry, got distracted15:52
knomeno problem15:52
knomewe can simply postpone these, if you need other people to discuss with15:53
knomei'm completely ok with changing the system if that's easier for you15:53
micahgwell, I'd like mr_pouit's opinion, but I think it might be worthwhile to switch to a Kubuntu style langpacks so that we can update the languages post release more easily15:53
knomeand i'm completely ok with getting the serbian translation in 13.04, and i'll help if i can15:53
knomedo we need to do that often / have we done that often / would we have needed to do that more often than we did?15:54
micahgidk that it's been done before since we don't have the option ATM15:54
knomeit has or hasn't been done before? :)15:54
micahgright now, we'd have to reupload everything with the languages in question15:54
micahgas opposed to one new langpack source15:55
knomethat doesn't help me understand it thoroughly... but as said, if it makes the maintaining (much) more easy, it's probably worth it15:55
knomewould you follow up about this with mr_pouit? 15:56
micahgI think overall it does, it just will require a bit of work up front15:56
mr_pouit(sorry for being late/silent) indeed, language packs are great, I'm still a bit skeptical about the lp/contributors' side.15:56
knomeyup, but maybe we could get other people to help, if there's some low-hanging fruit15:56
micahgmr_pouit: not for that reason, we wouldn't end up with LP stuff unless we asked15:56
micahgor set it up for that, it's more for post release updates from upstream15:57
mr_pouitoh, great15:57
knomeso will you both/either of you take an action item for that?15:58
knome:]15:58
micahgmr_pouit: so we can grab stuff like this and update it: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/xfce/r/xfce-4-10/l/af/15:58
micahgor this for a better example: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/xfce/r/xfce-4-10/l/sr/15:59
mr_pouitmicahg: yeah, if we can regularly sync .po from xfce-4.x branches, that's the best way15:59
mr_pouit(I've done it once for nl.po when pjotr asked, but it's painful to patch each package)15:59
micahgI'd have to look at how Kubuntu does it15:59
micahgthey have scripts to help and I think KDE upstream ships the languages separately16:00
micahgmr_pouit: do you think corsac would be open to doing this in Debian?16:00
micahgit might require patching the various xfce packages to not ship the po files (again, I have to see how Kubuntu handles this)16:01
mr_pouitnot sure he'll be happy about that (patch all packages I mean)16:01
micahgwell, I would think we only want to ship 1 copy of the translations per app16:02
mr_pouitubuntu langpacks install somewhere else and use pkgstriptranslations I think, isn't it feasible as well16:03
mr_pouit+?16:04
mr_pouit(or only when rosetta/lp is involved?)16:04
micahgyeah, can be16:04
knomeso... will you take the needed action items for this? :)16:06
micahgok16:06
knomethanks16:07
mr_pouit(I can, although I'm not sure I can give it too much time before february)16:07
mr_pouitfine then, thanks :P16:07
knomeno problem16:07
knomeumm.. would you write the nice little poems yourself? :P16:08
micahg#action micahg to research converting to a Kubuntu style per-language source langpack16:09
meetingologyACTION: micahg to research converting to a Kubuntu style per-language source langpack16:09
knomedo we need something else?16:09
micahgthat depends on the success of the above16:10
knomeheh,ok16:10
knome#subtopic Schedule next meeting16:10
knometwo weeks from now sound fine for everybody?16:10
micahgsure, are we participating in 12.04.2?16:11
pleia2probably16:11
knomemicahg, why not?16:11
bluesabre_yeah, that should work for me16:11
knomeisn't that today16:11
micahgwell, do we have any work that needs to be done?16:11
knomeoh, kernelfreeze16:11
knomei don't think so16:11
micahgit's Jan 3116:12
knomeat least i can't think anything from my head16:12
knomewe'll have a week16:12
micahgSRU freeze is next week16:12
knomeaha16:12
knomeit's not in the release schedule... for some weird reason16:12
mr_pouitany urgen SRu pending?16:12
micahgwell, I wanted to fix gvfs in thunar, but I ran into a dead end16:12
knomeand we wanted to port the docs to 12.04, but that's not happening for .216:13
mr_pouitmicahg: the slow startup?16:13
micahgmr_pouit: no, failure due to transport endpoint16:13
mr_pouitah, that too16:13
micahgthen I tried backporting later versions and had issues with that since the dependencies changed16:13
mr_pouitI think this was fixed when mountpoints moved to /run/$user/...16:14
mr_pouit(but not in precise)16:14
knomeso regardless, is meeting in 2 weeks ok?16:14
knomei need to go... :)16:14
micahgthat makes sense, they're no longer in an encrypted area16:14
micahgyes, makes sense16:15
knome#info Next Xubuntu community meeting: Jan 24, 15 UTC @#xubuntu-devel16:15
knome#endmeetings16:15
knome#endmeeting16:15
meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Jan 10 16:15:12 2013 UTC.  16:15
meetingologyMinutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-01-10-14.59.moin.txt16:15
meetingologyMinutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-01-10-14.59.html16:15
knomethanks!16:15
knomei'll get the minutes and logs up later today16:15
micahghrm, I wanted to add a note about 12.04 SRUs16:15
mr_pouitSRUs for .2: Bug #354830 needs testing (no feedback yet), although if nobody's replying, I guess this wasn't an important issue16:15
ubottubug 354830 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu Quantal) "xfce4-settings-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_create_instance()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35483016:15
mr_pouiterf16:15
knomemicahg, send that to my email, i'll add it to the minutes16:15
knomebbl ->16:16
micahgoh, I should probably fix the exo helper stuff in precise, it's quite annoying ATM with apparmor enabled in Firefox16:16
knome(and bye and thanks again everybody!)16:16
pleia2thanks :)16:17
micahgBTW, separating the langpacks should giive us a bit more room on the images, not sure how much though16:32
greenwolfdid i miss the meeting today?17:18
greenwolfdoes anyone know what time the #Xubuntu community meeting was?17:18
bluesabre_15 UTC I think (2 hours, 20 minutes ago)17:19
greenwolfdamn i thought that was Pacific time because im in estern17:19
bluesabre_I'm in eastern too17:20
bluesabre_10 am eastern17:20
greenwolfwow i was converting it from 10Pacific time so it would have been 1pm eastern17:21
greenwolfbut i guess i was wrong17:21
bluesabre_Here's the minutes17:21
bluesabre_http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-01-10-14.59.html17:21
greenwolfwere you here when they were discussing the topics?17:21
bluesabre_that should have all the important stuff17:21
greenwolfok thanks17:28
bluesabre_mr_pouit, glad to see parole 0.4 in the ppa, thanks!19:18
ochosi+1, hopefully that means more bugreports19:36
Unit193bluesabre_: Testing on quantal help any?  And what exactly do you want to be poked at?19:51
ochosiUnit193: you mean parole-testing?19:52
Unit193ochosi: Yes I do.19:52
ochosiyup, quantal testing is helpful19:52
ochosiwe need general testing19:52
ochosibut also specific testing directed at the new features19:52
ochosi(codec-installer, audio-cds, dvds etc)19:53
Unit193(I always end up purging it as that's the easiest way to unset it as default. :P )19:53
Unit193Alright, I can remove a couple gstreamer packages.19:53
ochosimkay, thanks!19:53
Unit193By default, it isn't default for mp420:07
Unit193Try to open a webm file and it just sits there.20:11
ochosidoes it work with totem?20:11
Unit193I don't know, I'm testing parole, not totem. ;)20:12
Unit193It does with VLC and Firefox, if that counts?20:12
ochosiyeah, but i'm wondering whether it's a parole or a gstreamer issue20:12
Unit193If I remember correctly, Xombrero uses gstreamer and it can play it.20:14
ochosiis xombrero a video-player?20:16
Unit193Browser. :P20:17
Unit193gstreamer backend error: Could not read title information for DVD20:18
ochosii don't see any evidence of xombrero using gstreamer, rather seems it uses external apps like gnome-mplayer20:23
Unit193Alright.  I can browse to the mounted dvd and almost play it, but once you find the correct VOB file, it's a little scrambled.  Not sure if gstreamer or parole, though.20:24
Unit193There are seconds where you can hear and see right.20:24
ochosihm sounds more like a gst issue but not 100% sure20:25
ochosiunfortunately i don't know of any other gstreamer players than totem you could test it with20:25
bluesabre_Unit193: do you have libdvdcss2 installed?20:27
Unit193Of course.20:27
bluesabre_could you test with a different dvd maybe?20:28
Unit193Yep.20:30
Unit193Want without region code?20:30
bluesabre_sure, why not :)20:31
Unit193First, parole doesn't think I have a disk inserted.  (Grey, with "Insert Disk")20:35
ochosiyeah, you need to mount it yourself20:35
ochosiwe're assuming ppl are using thunar with automount=yes20:35
Unit193ochosi: VLC already played it...20:36
Unit193I am.20:36
Unit193Ejected, put back in, selected parole, wait, wait, select Play disk from the menu, gstreamer backend error.20:38
Unit193Tried something new, the name of the disk pulls up, but this is the terminal output http://0bin.net/paste/2c860eb2d3c8d7e0fd02e10eafb06f9e0e005e05#Gaqq5SVS9163Yh6WQg0bKnGzKOszCix/XCgmMjJ2c/Y=20:39
Unit193Note, dvd2, which I tried to select, is correct.20:40
bluesabre_well, the good news is that this is probably not a regression20:42
bluesabre_but a bug thats never been found20:42
bluesabre_:D20:42
Unit193Bleep.20:42
bluesabre_I'll try to fix that tonight20:43
ochosidvd's are one of the least-tested things in parole for me20:43
Unit193Sweet, thanks!  (For not making me report a bug! :D )20:43
Unit193Ping me when you want me to reinstall it?20:43
bluesabre_actually, I just forgot about it20:43
bluesabre_could you log a bug?20:43
bluesabre_:)20:43
bluesabre_Ideally, it shouldn't be too hard to fix20:44
bluesabre_Unless libdvdread is stupid20:44
Unit193Is it needed if you're going to fix tonight?  Also, what do I put it in?20:44
bluesabre_cannot play dvd20:44
bluesabre_and paste that output20:44
bluesabre_I might be able to fix it tonight, but my schedule is always crap20:45
bluesabre_and unpredictable20:45
Unit193Alrighty.20:47
Unit193Bug #1098323   Sorry for it not being the best report. :P20:52
ubottubug 1098323 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole failes to play DVD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109832320:52
Unit193Oh, is there something I should do about webm?20:54
bluesabre_thanks Unit193!20:59
ochosiUnit193: maybe file another bug about that20:59
Unit193bluesabre_: Sure.20:59
Unit193ochosi: Not sure it's a bug yet, though.20:59
bluesabre_alrighty, I should probably do some work while I'm at work today.  bbl20:59
Unit193Adios.20:59
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