| ScottK | Riddell: Yes. | 00:57 |
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| doctorpepper | hi guys ! | 02:06 |
| Darkwing | Riddell: +1 on stickers... I'll be getting a swag request for the Indiana Linux Fest in the next couple months. | 02:25 |
| wgrant | yofel, shadeslayer: Hi. Your private PPA (ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa) is currently exempt from normal PPA expiry rules, so its entire 500GB history is preserved and using up quite a bit of space in LP. Would you mind terribly if we switched expiry on for it? Source and binary packages would be permanently removed around a week after they were superseded/deleted from the PPA. | 03:51 |
| wgrant | yofel, shadeslayer: (we've historically automatically excluded all private PPAs from expiry because they tended to have more useful stuff, but some of them are getting... big) | 03:51 |
| ScottK | wgrant: I think that's fine. | 04:54 |
| soee | good morning | 06:59 |
| Riddell | wgrant: crivvens, yes I think expiry is no problem on kubuntu-ninjas | 08:33 |
| wgrant | Riddell, ScottK: Thanks | 08:52 |
| yofel_ | wgrant: yeah, go ahead. (I didn't even know that it doesn't expire things...) | 08:52 |
| wgrant | I assumed you didn't, but I thought it best to check :) | 08:52 |
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| shadeslayer | wgrant: heh, I don't think anyone knew that stuff in ninjas never expired ^_^ | 09:26 |
| sbivol | the KCM for managing users is started as „/usr/bin/kcmshell4 userconfig”. I cannot figure out which package provides this userconfig and how is the PO file named. Please help | 09:37 |
| shadeslayer | !info userconfig | 09:46 |
| ubottu | userconfig (source: userconfig): user and group setup tool for KDE. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.0-0ubuntu10 (quantal), package size 30 kB, installed size 237 kB | 09:46 |
| shadeslayer | sbivol: ^ | 09:46 |
| sbivol | shadeslayer: thank you :-) | 09:47 |
| sbivol | shadeslayer: that package doesn't seem to be in the KDE repositories | 09:56 |
| shadeslayer | sbivol: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/guidance/userconfig-kde4 | 09:57 |
| sbivol | shadeslayer: is it a Kubuntu-only application? | 09:57 |
| shadeslayer | I think so | 09:57 |
| shadeslayer | sbivol: note that userconfig is broken in Raring | 09:57 |
| shadeslayer | and we're discussing whether we should switch to the app that afiestas is writing | 09:58 |
| sbivol | shadeslayer: which app? | 09:58 |
| shadeslayer | it hasn't been released yet :) | 09:58 |
| shadeslayer | so I don't know the name | 09:59 |
| shadeslayer | sbivol: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-December/006542.html | 09:59 |
| shadeslayer | sigh | 10:02 |
| shadeslayer | this is just bad design http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/11/plasma-desktopX11049.png | 10:02 |
| Riddell | fabo: any great ideas on this build failure? I can recreate it but I've little idea on the cause https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu1/+build/4203385 | 10:02 |
| shadeslayer | makes me think that something went wrong with apport | 10:03 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what's wrong with it? | 10:03 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: the icon | 10:03 |
| shadeslayer | should show dialog-information | 10:04 |
| Riddell | oh I see | 10:04 |
| Riddell | should be easy enough to fix | 10:04 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 10:04 |
| shadeslayer | will have a look once I file this bug | 10:04 |
| fabo | Riddell: I need to reproduce locally. the error doesn't help much | 10:11 |
| Riddell | fabo: I have it reproduced in a chroot if that helps | 10:12 |
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| apachelogger | bug 1098470 | 11:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1098470 in marble (Ubuntu) "icons more for marlbe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1098470 | 11:08 |
| shadeslayer | ahh | 11:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: notmart was complaining about this | 11:10 |
| shadeslayer | yesterday me think | 11:10 |
| shadeslayer | *thinks | 11:10 |
| Riddell | presumably that's files like /usr/share/applications/kde4/marble_kml.desktop | 11:11 |
| Riddell | needs NoDisplay=true added | 11:11 |
| shadeslayer | <notmart> hmm, in plasma active i see 4 marble icons since a while (because it has 4 desktop files to add optional supported mimetypes) maybe is related? | 11:11 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 11:11 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: won't work | 11:12 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: why not? | 11:12 |
| shadeslayer | oh wait | 11:12 |
| shadeslayer | nvm | 11:12 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: there was a NoDisplay=true fix recently | 11:12 |
| shadeslayer | but it was only for knewfileitem | 11:12 |
| shadeslayer | for menu's it should work | 11:12 |
| Riddell | there's a load of GCI students for marble currently, I'll forward to them | 11:13 |
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| Riddell | 11:33 < pursuivant-134> marble (master) v4.9.90-425-gc21f554 * Illya Kovalevskyy: src/plugins/runner (3 files in 3 dirs) | 11:37 |
| Riddell | 11:33 < pursuivant-134> Hot fix for the bug on Launchpad | 11:37 |
| Riddell | 11:33 < pursuivant-134> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/1098470 | 11:37 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1098470 in marble (Ubuntu) "icons more for marlbe" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 11:37 |
| Riddell | 11:33 < pursuivant-134> http://commits.kde.org/marble/c21f554a502699fa0a9234d937c4f0b3f7b86b44 | 11:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: fixed | 11:37 |
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| shadeslayer | fun | 11:39 |
| Riddell | oy, mgraesslin: looking at kolor-manager but I have OpenGL Options greyed out in kwin Desktop Effects | 12:00 |
| Riddell | including colour correction | 12:00 |
| Riddell | why might that be? | 12:00 |
| oy | Riddell, insufficient GL support maybe | 12:03 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:05 |
| oy | just a rough guess | 12:05 |
| Riddell | oy: oyranos has missing licence files in cmake/ | 12:20 |
| Riddell | needs COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS and Copying.txt file | 12:21 |
| oy | thanks for the hint, will look into | 12:22 |
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| doctorpepper | hi guys!!! | 12:34 |
| shadeslayer | hm | 12:36 |
| shadeslayer | what's this new appmenu thing I hear about | 12:36 |
| shadeslayer | in 4.10 | 12:36 |
| Riddell | hi doctorpepper | 12:37 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I've not heard of that | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | from Plasma Devel | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | > what do you personally like about the results of 4.10? | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | I *love* the new appmenu! Once enabled, all apps suddenly do look a lot more | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | simplistic! | 12:37 |
| Riddell | no idea, let me know if you find out :) | 12:38 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: apachelogger ^ any ideas? | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: it's an appmenu :P | 12:40 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: I think it is the appmenu work I started at Canonical, which have been taken over by a new maintainer and is being integrated in KDE | 12:40 |
| shadeslayer | I see | 12:40 |
| shadeslayer | any ideas how I can enable it? | 12:40 |
| shadeslayer | TBH I really liked the AppMenu | 12:41 |
| shadeslayer | but could never get it to work properly | 12:42 |
| Riddell | oh the dbus menu widget, gotcha | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/11/plasma-desktopqH1930.png | 12:42 |
| shadeslayer | neato | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | you can make it window decoration based, or menubar plasmoid based or simply exported without visual representation | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | (e.g. what you would probably do on ubuntu) | 12:43 |
| Riddell | oy: kolor-manager also lacks a global COPYING file so some files have no licence | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | do you people actually review the code you upload to the archive? :P | 12:44 |
| Riddell | we might fail to read a line here or there | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 12:45 |
| Riddell | oy: packages in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental, let's see if they compile | 12:45 |
| doctorpepper | can anyone help me , i am trying to upgrade to kde 4.9.97 on 12.04 from kubuntu-ppa/beta, but i have an issue with two packages see http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519723/ | 12:46 |
| Riddell | doctorpepper: please pastebin apt-cache policy kde-runtime | 12:47 |
| shadeslayer | oohh a 12.04 user \o/ | 12:48 |
| doctorpepper | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519744/ | 12:48 |
| Riddell | doctorpepper: please pastebin apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin | 12:49 |
| doctorpepper | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519755/ | 12:50 |
| Riddell | well you need that | 12:50 |
| Riddell | doctorpepper: what does this do? apt-get -f install | 12:51 |
| doctorpepper | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519760/ | 12:52 |
| Riddell | mysterious | 12:53 |
| Riddell | doctorpepper: apt-cache policy kde-window-manager-common | 12:53 |
| doctorpepper | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519777/ | 12:55 |
| doctorpepper | Riddell: any idea | 12:58 |
| Riddell | mm, not sure | 12:59 |
| Riddell | doctorpepper: what happens if you sudo apt-get install kde-window-manager-common ? | 12:59 |
| * Riddell out to shop | 13:07 | |
| shadeslayer | doctorpepper: what does sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade do ? | 13:10 |
| doctorpepper | shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519842/ | 13:13 |
| * shadeslayer scratches head | 13:14 | |
| shadeslayer | lemme check something | 13:15 |
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| doctorpepper | shadeslayer: as for sudo apt-get install kde-window-manager-common that Riddell asked for i get the same result unable to install it | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | I'm just checking the packaging | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | doctorpepper: can you try this : sudo apt-get install -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true kde-window-manager-common | 13:20 |
| doctorpepper_ | shadeslayer:did you find something ? | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | nope, the packaging seems fine | 13:27 |
| doctorpepper_ | what should i do ? | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | <shadeslayer> doctorpepper: can you try this : sudo apt-get install -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true kde-window-manager-common | 13:28 |
| yofel | as dpkg seems to not really install them, would force-removing just the 2 help maybe? | 13:29 |
| yofel | no idea if that would matter to apt | 13:29 |
| yofel | try what shadeslayer said first though | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I don't want to do that because then someone might hit this later on ... better to know what the issue is so we can fix it | 13:30 |
| doctorpepper_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519907/ | 13:30 |
| yofel | yeah, but as ^ shows, the deps are fine, just dpkg does something weird | 13:31 |
| yofel | doctorpepper_: what does 'dpkg -l kde-window-manager-common' say? (last line of output) | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | maybe dpkg put it in some weird half configured state? | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | and it's trying to install kde-window-manager-common 4.9.5 | 13:33 |
| yofel | seems so - but that should only happen if it's still at 4.9.5 | 13:33 |
| yofel | otherwise you would see the unpack step in the output | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | right | 13:33 |
| yofel | this makes no sense... | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | gee ... when did firefox become so big | 13:35 |
| * yofel looks at dpkg -Dh | 13:35 | |
| shadeslayer | 108 MB's | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: can you reproduce it? | 13:35 |
| yofel | well, I couldn't before, so if I try I would first need the source setup and installed package list from doctorpepper_ | 13:36 |
| yofel | dpkg has funny options | 13:36 |
| yofel | 1000 veryverbose Lots of drivel about eg the dpkg/info directory | 13:36 |
| yofel | 2000 stupidlyverbose Insane amounts of drivel | 13:36 |
| yofel | doctorpepper_: can you try 'sudo dpkg -D63 --configure -a' | 13:39 |
| doctorpepper_ | dpkg -l kde-window-manager-common says : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519936/ 'sudo dpkg -D63 --configure -a' says http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519937/ | 13:42 |
| doctorpepper_ | what should i do ? | 13:45 |
| * yofel takes another look at apts debug options | 13:46 | |
| yofel | doctorpepper_: please try 'sudo apt-get -o debug::pkgdpkgpm=true -f install' | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | lolwot | 13:50 |
| yofel | outputs the dpkg command line with parameters | 13:50 |
| doctorpepper_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519956/ | 13:50 |
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| yofel | what the hell is apt doing... | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519936/ is surprising | 13:51 |
| yofel | well, that too | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: can it happen that apt didn't download the new package and is trying to install an old copy of 4.9.5 | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | and thus causing all of these errors | 13:52 |
| yofel | it's not *installing* anything | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | hm? | 13:52 |
| yofel | it tries to configure something that dpkg says isn't there | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | right | 13:52 |
| yofel | well, dpkg is also inconsistent | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | just saw the last paste | 13:52 |
| yofel | first it says it's not there, but then says 4.9.5 is there | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 13:53 |
| yofel | doctorpepper: can you please open /var/lib/dpkg/status, search for 'Package: kde-window-manager-common' and pastebin the textblock until the next Package:? | 13:55 |
| yofel | after that check if you have a .deb for kde-window-manager-common 4.9.97 in /var/cache/apt/archives so we can force install that. | 13:57 |
| doctorpepper | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519984/ | 13:59 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I would tend to blame apt, but do you have any more ideas for debugging? | 14:01 |
| shadeslayer | not really | 14:01 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: maybe ask for the apt history? | 14:01 |
| shadeslayer | but does that contain info about unpacking and configuring? | 14:02 |
| yofel | the dpkg log does | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | ok it does | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | /var/log/apt/term.log | 14:02 |
| yofel | ah, yeah, that too | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | so maybe ask for those and we can figure it out at our convinience? | 14:03 |
| yofel | yep | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | *convenience even | 14:03 |
| doctorpepper | kde-window-manager-common_4%3a4.9.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1_amd64.deb lock | 14:03 |
| doctorpepper | kde-workspace-bin_4%3a4.9.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1_amd64.deb partial | 14:03 |
| yofel | doctorpepper: sudo dpkg --force-depends -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager-common_4%3a4.9.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1_amd64.deb | 14:04 |
| yofel | after that try apt-get install -f again | 14:04 |
| doctorpepper | didnt work .http://paste.ubuntu.com/1520015/ | 14:12 |
| yofel | install the kde-workspace-bin .deb by hand too | 14:13 |
| doctorpepper | ok its what i am doing right now | 14:14 |
| doctorpepper | thanks for your help guys !! | 14:15 |
| doctorpepper | is there any plan to backport 4.10 when it out to 12.04 | 14:15 |
| yofel | yes, the first time is the hardest part ;) | 14:16 |
| yofel | drat, he left | 14:20 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 14:22 |
| Riddell | Quintasan_: for these business cards do we have any editable version of http://mooltilab.nazwa.pl/kubuntu/kubuntu_bc.png ? | 14:26 |
| * shadeslayer will still push for his cards | 14:27 | |
| shadeslayer | http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/ | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | they're more awesome and simpler ^ :P | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | I'm actually thinking of switching out the icons in there | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | and use the symbols from here : http://fortawesome.github.com/Font-Awesome/ | 14:28 |
| Riddell | your might win by default if there's no svg of the other one | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | and if you have a issue with the QR code we can just put 'kubuntu' on the back of those cards | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | fairly trivial to do | 14:29 |
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| yofel | btw. how are we tracking bugs on launchpad that should be fixed before raring is out? | 14:37 |
| yofel | or how should I mark bug 1094958 so it's not forgotten | 14:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1094958 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "User Management crashes on start up" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094958 | 14:37 |
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| yofel | weeding out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.tag=kubuntu would be a good idea I guess | 14:43 |
| Riddell | it would be most wonderful to do | 14:44 |
| * Riddell orders some business cards in shadeslayer's design to see how instaprint do | 14:50 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: you should annoy afiestas into making his user management releaseable :P | 14:51 |
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| shadeslayer | \o/ | 14:53 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: will kubuntu use it? | 14:53 |
| afiestas | because if not, I have more time to finish it | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: spacetime offered to print some test cards for us | 14:53 |
| yofel | well, what we have now is unusable, so we need to do something in any case | 14:53 |
| afiestas | yofel: you can switch to KUser, which afaik works | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | ^ | 14:53 |
| yofel | true | 14:54 |
| yofel | fun, py3 has different syntax for exceptions | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | python... | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: is there a reason kubuntu wouldn't? | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | or rather... why not replace kuser in the long run anyway? | 14:55 |
| afiestas | personally I'm not interestedon doing that, I want to solve the user management problem | 14:55 |
| afiestas | no the "graphical interfaces for sysadmins or power users" | 14:55 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: go get em! | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: oh, okay | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | spacetime: pingly | 15:00 |
| * yofel wonders if running 2to3 on userconfig would yield something usable | 15:00 | |
| Riddell | yofel: are python kcms now in python 3? | 15:01 |
| yofel | Riddell: raring's kpythonpluginfactory is linked against libpython3, so it kinda forces py3 | 15:01 |
| yofel | ScottK probably knows more about how that works... (I hope) | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: while you're at it, maybe also run 2to3 on synaptiks? | 15:03 |
| Riddell | porting to python 3 shouldn't be /too/ hard I'd have thought? | 15:03 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: that also needs packaging adjusted to actually create a py3 module | 15:03 |
| yofel | not really, 2to3 does a lot it seems so I guess there's not that much to do by hand | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 15:04 |
| yofel | great, PyKDE4.kdecore.ki18n() is causing UnicodeEncodeErrors | 15:20 |
| * Riddell throws a simple simon package into experimental ppa | 16:26 | |
| apachelogger | yofel, Riddell: there is still that bug with kcms that I forgot to fix | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | basically whenver you pykcm something it goes kaboom | 16:28 |
| yofel | wasn't that just a python version mismatch? | 16:29 |
| yofel | well, just converting userconfig to py3 syntax doesn't really work: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/ucp3.png (and don't ask me why ksnapshot is rendered half over it) | 16:34 |
| yofel | it also gives plenty of errors: http://paste.kde.org/643958 | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | yofel: no | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | it was a not compatible because order is wrong crash | 16:38 |
| yofel | ah, ok, that would make sense from the error message I guess | 16:38 |
| yofel | please fix :P | 16:38 |
| * yofel reboots to try kernel 3.8 | 16:38 | |
| apachelogger | dunno where I put the fix :P | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer | I guess we need a new bug status | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | "Fix Lost" | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | please file bug with lunchpad | 16:41 |
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| Quintasan_ | mfw | 18:32 |
| Quintasan_ | LOGIC - EVERYTHING WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED | 18:32 |
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| Quintasan | Riddell: I do not think we have svgs for those | 18:33 |
| Quintasan | I think someone tried to contact the author | 18:33 |
| Quintasan | but I believe there was no response | 18:33 |
| yofel | shadeslayer for the win :D | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | huh? | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | whut? | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | what did I do | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | cards? | 18:40 |
| yofel | yep | 18:42 |
| shadeslayer | well | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | bah, amarok crashes with my port :( | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | but I can play test sounds with the kcm just fine | 18:45 |
| ScottK | yofel: There are both python and python3 kpythonpluginfactories. | 20:14 |
| yofel | nvm me then | 20:14 |
| ScottK | It should magically work. | 20:14 |
| ScottK | Does anyone know of a reason we can't release 4.9.4 to quantal-updates on Monday? | 20:16 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: It's Monday? | 20:27 |
| sheytan_ | Riddell: hey! i send that list of changes to kubunt-devel. Can you confirm? | 21:02 |
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