[00:57] Riddell: Yes. [02:06] hi guys ! [02:25] Riddell: +1 on stickers... I'll be getting a swag request for the Indiana Linux Fest in the next couple months. [03:51] yofel, shadeslayer: Hi. Your private PPA (ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa) is currently exempt from normal PPA expiry rules, so its entire 500GB history is preserved and using up quite a bit of space in LP. Would you mind terribly if we switched expiry on for it? Source and binary packages would be permanently removed around a week after they were superseded/deleted from the PPA. [03:51] yofel, shadeslayer: (we've historically automatically excluded all private PPAs from expiry because they tended to have more useful stuff, but some of them are getting... big) [04:54] wgrant: I think that's fine. [06:59] good morning [08:33] wgrant: crivvens, yes I think expiry is no problem on kubuntu-ninjas [08:52] Riddell, ScottK: Thanks [08:52] wgrant: yeah, go ahead. (I didn't even know that it doesn't expire things...) [08:52] I assumed you didn't, but I thought it best to check :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:26] wgrant: heh, I don't think anyone knew that stuff in ninjas never expired ^_^ [09:37] the KCM for managing users is started as „/usr/bin/kcmshell4 userconfig”. I cannot figure out which package provides this userconfig and how is the PO file named. Please help [09:46] !info userconfig [09:46] userconfig (source: userconfig): user and group setup tool for KDE. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.0-0ubuntu10 (quantal), package size 30 kB, installed size 237 kB [09:46] sbivol: ^ [09:47] shadeslayer: thank you :-) [09:56] shadeslayer: that package doesn't seem to be in the KDE repositories [09:57] sbivol: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/guidance/userconfig-kde4 [09:57] shadeslayer: is it a Kubuntu-only application? [09:57] I think so [09:57] sbivol: note that userconfig is broken in Raring [09:58] and we're discussing whether we should switch to the app that afiestas is writing [09:58] shadeslayer: which app? [09:58] it hasn't been released yet :) [09:59] so I don't know the name [09:59] sbivol: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-December/006542.html [10:02] sigh [10:02] this is just bad design http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/11/plasma-desktopX11049.png [10:02] fabo: any great ideas on this build failure? I can recreate it but I've little idea on the cause https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu1/+build/4203385 [10:03] makes me think that something went wrong with apport [10:03] shadeslayer: what's wrong with it? [10:03] Riddell: the icon [10:04] should show dialog-information [10:04] oh I see [10:04] should be easy enough to fix [10:04] *nod* [10:04] will have a look once I file this bug [10:11] Riddell: I need to reproduce locally. the error doesn't help much [10:12] fabo: I have it reproduced in a chroot if that helps === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [11:08] bug 1098470 [11:08] bug 1098470 in marble (Ubuntu) "icons more for marlbe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1098470 [11:10] ahh [11:10] apachelogger: notmart was complaining about this [11:10] yesterday me think [11:10] *thinks [11:11] presumably that's files like /usr/share/applications/kde4/marble_kml.desktop [11:11] needs NoDisplay=true added [11:11] hmm, in plasma active i see 4 marble icons since a while (because it has 4 desktop files to add optional supported mimetypes) maybe is related? [11:11] bah [11:12] Riddell: won't work [11:12] shadeslayer: why not? [11:12] oh wait [11:12] nvm [11:12] Riddell: there was a NoDisplay=true fix recently [11:12] but it was only for knewfileitem [11:12] for menu's it should work [11:13] there's a load of GCI students for marble currently, I'll forward to them === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [11:37] 11:33 < pursuivant-134> marble (master) v4.9.90-425-gc21f554 * Illya Kovalevskyy: src/plugins/runner (3 files in 3 dirs) [11:37] 11:33 < pursuivant-134> Hot fix for the bug on Launchpad [11:37] 11:33 < pursuivant-134> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/1098470 [11:37] Ubuntu bug 1098470 in marble (Ubuntu) "icons more for marlbe" [Undecided,Fix committed] [11:37] 11:33 < pursuivant-134> http://commits.kde.org/marble/c21f554a502699fa0a9234d937c4f0b3f7b86b44 [11:37] apachelogger: fixed === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [11:39] fun [12:00] oy, mgraesslin: looking at kolor-manager but I have OpenGL Options greyed out in kwin Desktop Effects [12:00] including colour correction [12:00] why might that be? [12:03] Riddell, insufficient GL support maybe [12:05] hmm [12:05] just a rough guess [12:20] oy: oyranos has missing licence files in cmake/ [12:21] needs COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS and Copying.txt file [12:22] thanks for the hint, will look into === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [12:34] hi guys!!! [12:36] hm [12:36] what's this new appmenu thing I hear about [12:36] in 4.10 [12:37] hi doctorpepper [12:37] shadeslayer: I've not heard of that [12:37] from Plasma Devel [12:37] > what do you personally like about the results of 4.10? [12:37] I *love* the new appmenu! Once enabled, all apps suddenly do look a lot more [12:37] simplistic! [12:38] no idea, let me know if you find out :) [12:39] agateau: apachelogger ^ any ideas? [12:40] shadeslayer: it's an appmenu :P [12:40] shadeslayer: I think it is the appmenu work I started at Canonical, which have been taken over by a new maintainer and is being integrated in KDE [12:40] I see [12:40] any ideas how I can enable it? [12:41] TBH I really liked the AppMenu [12:42] but could never get it to work properly [12:42] oh the dbus menu widget, gotcha [12:42] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/11/plasma-desktopqH1930.png [12:43] neato [12:43] you can make it window decoration based, or menubar plasmoid based or simply exported without visual representation [12:43] (e.g. what you would probably do on ubuntu) [12:44] oy: kolor-manager also lacks a global COPYING file so some files have no licence [12:44] do you people actually review the code you upload to the archive? :P [12:44] we might fail to read a line here or there [12:45] ^^ [12:45] oy: packages in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental, let's see if they compile [12:46] can anyone help me , i am trying to upgrade to kde 4.9.97 on 12.04 from kubuntu-ppa/beta, but i have an issue with two packages see http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519723/ [12:47] doctorpepper: please pastebin apt-cache policy kde-runtime [12:48] oohh a 12.04 user \o/ [12:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519744/ [12:49] doctorpepper: please pastebin apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin [12:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519755/ [12:50] well you need that [12:51] doctorpepper: what does this do? apt-get -f install [12:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519760/ [12:53] mysterious [12:53] doctorpepper: apt-cache policy kde-window-manager-common [12:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519777/ [12:58] Riddell: any idea [12:59] mm, not sure [12:59] doctorpepper: what happens if you sudo apt-get install kde-window-manager-common ? [13:07] * Riddell out to shop [13:10] doctorpepper: what does sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade do ? [13:13] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519842/ [13:14] * shadeslayer scratches head [13:15] lemme check something === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [13:17] shadeslayer: as for sudo apt-get install kde-window-manager-common that Riddell asked for i get the same result unable to install it [13:17] okay [13:17] I'm just checking the packaging [13:20] doctorpepper: can you try this : sudo apt-get install -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true kde-window-manager-common [13:27] shadeslayer:did you find something ? [13:27] nope, the packaging seems fine [13:27] what should i do ? [13:28] doctorpepper: can you try this : sudo apt-get install -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true kde-window-manager-common [13:29] as dpkg seems to not really install them, would force-removing just the 2 help maybe? [13:29] no idea if that would matter to apt [13:29] try what shadeslayer said first though [13:30] yofel: I don't want to do that because then someone might hit this later on ... better to know what the issue is so we can fix it [13:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519907/ [13:31] yeah, but as ^ shows, the deps are fine, just dpkg does something weird [13:32] doctorpepper_: what does 'dpkg -l kde-window-manager-common' say? (last line of output) [13:33] maybe dpkg put it in some weird half configured state? [13:33] and it's trying to install kde-window-manager-common 4.9.5 [13:33] seems so - but that should only happen if it's still at 4.9.5 [13:33] otherwise you would see the unpack step in the output [13:33] right [13:34] this makes no sense... [13:34] heh [13:35] gee ... when did firefox become so big [13:35] * yofel looks at dpkg -Dh [13:35] 108 MB's [13:35] yofel: can you reproduce it? [13:36] well, I couldn't before, so if I try I would first need the source setup and installed package list from doctorpepper_ [13:36] dpkg has funny options [13:36] 1000 veryverbose Lots of drivel about eg the dpkg/info directory [13:36] 2000 stupidlyverbose Insane amounts of drivel [13:39] doctorpepper_: can you try 'sudo dpkg -D63 --configure -a' [13:42] dpkg -l kde-window-manager-common says : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519936/ 'sudo dpkg -D63 --configure -a' says http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519937/ [13:45] what should i do ? [13:46] * yofel takes another look at apts debug options [13:48] doctorpepper_: please try 'sudo apt-get -o debug::pkgdpkgpm=true -f install' [13:50] lolwot [13:50] outputs the dpkg command line with parameters [13:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519956/ === doctorpepper_ is now known as doctorpepper [13:51] what the hell is apt doing... [13:51] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519936/ is surprising [13:51] well, that too [13:51] yofel: can it happen that apt didn't download the new package and is trying to install an old copy of 4.9.5 [13:52] and thus causing all of these errors [13:52] it's not *installing* anything [13:52] hm? [13:52] it tries to configure something that dpkg says isn't there [13:52] oh [13:52] right [13:52] well, dpkg is also inconsistent [13:52] just saw the last paste [13:52] first it says it's not there, but then says 4.9.5 is there [13:53] ... [13:55] doctorpepper: can you please open /var/lib/dpkg/status, search for 'Package: kde-window-manager-common' and pastebin the textblock until the next Package:? [13:57] after that check if you have a .deb for kde-window-manager-common 4.9.97 in /var/cache/apt/archives so we can force install that. [13:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519984/ [14:01] shadeslayer: I would tend to blame apt, but do you have any more ideas for debugging? [14:01] not really [14:01] yofel: maybe ask for the apt history? [14:02] but does that contain info about unpacking and configuring? [14:02] the dpkg log does [14:02] ok it does [14:02] /var/log/apt/term.log [14:02] ah, yeah, that too [14:03] so maybe ask for those and we can figure it out at our convinience? [14:03] yep [14:03] *convenience even [14:03] kde-window-manager-common_4%3a4.9.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1_amd64.deb lock [14:03] kde-workspace-bin_4%3a4.9.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1_amd64.deb partial [14:04] doctorpepper: sudo dpkg --force-depends -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager-common_4%3a4.9.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1_amd64.deb [14:04] after that try apt-get install -f again [14:12] didnt work .http://paste.ubuntu.com/1520015/ [14:13] install the kde-workspace-bin .deb by hand too [14:14] ok its what i am doing right now [14:15] thanks for your help guys !! [14:15] is there any plan to backport 4.10 when it out to 12.04 [14:16] yes, the first time is the hardest part ;) [14:20] drat, he left [14:22] hehe [14:26] Quintasan_: for these business cards do we have any editable version of http://mooltilab.nazwa.pl/kubuntu/kubuntu_bc.png ? [14:27] * shadeslayer will still push for his cards [14:27] http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/ [14:27] they're more awesome and simpler ^ :P [14:27] I'm actually thinking of switching out the icons in there [14:28] and use the symbols from here : http://fortawesome.github.com/Font-Awesome/ [14:29] your might win by default if there's no svg of the other one [14:29] hehe [14:29] and if you have a issue with the QR code we can just put 'kubuntu' on the back of those cards [14:29] fairly trivial to do === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [14:37] btw. how are we tracking bugs on launchpad that should be fixed before raring is out? [14:37] or how should I mark bug 1094958 so it's not forgotten [14:37] bug 1094958 in userconfig (Ubuntu) "User Management crashes on start up" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094958 === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [14:43] weeding out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.tag=kubuntu would be a good idea I guess [14:44] it would be most wonderful to do [14:50] * Riddell orders some business cards in shadeslayer's design to see how instaprint do [14:51] yofel: you should annoy afiestas into making his user management releaseable :P === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [14:53] \o/ [14:53] apachelogger: will kubuntu use it? [14:53] because if not, I have more time to finish it [14:53] Riddell: spacetime offered to print some test cards for us [14:53] well, what we have now is unusable, so we need to do something in any case [14:53] yofel: you can switch to KUser, which afaik works [14:53] ^ [14:54] true [14:54] fun, py3 has different syntax for exceptions [14:54] python... [14:54] afiestas: is there a reason kubuntu wouldn't? [14:55] or rather... why not replace kuser in the long run anyway? [14:55] personally I'm not interestedon doing that, I want to solve the user management problem [14:55] no the "graphical interfaces for sysadmins or power users" [14:59] shadeslayer: go get em! [15:00] Riddell: oh, okay [15:00] spacetime: pingly [15:00] * yofel wonders if running 2to3 on userconfig would yield something usable [15:01] yofel: are python kcms now in python 3? [15:01] Riddell: raring's kpythonpluginfactory is linked against libpython3, so it kinda forces py3 [15:02] ScottK probably knows more about how that works... (I hope) [15:03] yofel: while you're at it, maybe also run 2to3 on synaptiks? [15:03] porting to python 3 shouldn't be /too/ hard I'd have thought? [15:03] shadeslayer: that also needs packaging adjusted to actually create a py3 module [15:03] not really, 2to3 does a lot it seems so I guess there's not that much to do by hand [15:04] hmm [15:20] great, PyKDE4.kdecore.ki18n() is causing UnicodeEncodeErrors [16:26] * Riddell throws a simple simon package into experimental ppa [16:28] yofel, Riddell: there is still that bug with kcms that I forgot to fix [16:28] basically whenver you pykcm something it goes kaboom [16:29] wasn't that just a python version mismatch? [16:34] well, just converting userconfig to py3 syntax doesn't really work: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/ucp3.png (and don't ask me why ksnapshot is rendered half over it) [16:34] it also gives plenty of errors: http://paste.kde.org/643958 [16:38] yofel: no [16:38] it was a not compatible because order is wrong crash [16:38] ah, ok, that would make sense from the error message I guess [16:38] please fix :P [16:38] * yofel reboots to try kernel 3.8 [16:40] dunno where I put the fix :P [16:41] I guess we need a new bug status [16:41] "Fix Lost" [16:41] please file bug with lunchpad === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [18:32] mfw [18:32] LOGIC - EVERYTHING WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [18:33] Riddell: I do not think we have svgs for those [18:33] I think someone tried to contact the author [18:33] but I believe there was no response [18:40] shadeslayer for the win :D [18:40] huh? [18:40] whut? [18:40] what did I do [18:40] oh [18:40] cards? [18:42] yep [18:43] well [18:43] okay [18:44] bah, amarok crashes with my port :( [18:45] but I can play test sounds with the kcm just fine [20:14] yofel: There are both python and python3 kpythonpluginfactories. [20:14] nvm me then [20:14] It should magically work. [20:16] Does anyone know of a reason we can't release 4.9.4 to quantal-updates on Monday? [20:27] ScottK: It's Monday? [21:02] Riddell: hey! i send that list of changes to kubunt-devel. Can you confirm? === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc