[03:59] we are officially listed as a malaria region, but i don't do anything except bug spray/cream repllent. [04:03] superfly ^ [05:04] morning all o/ [05:27] hmm [05:27] morning [05:27] it's drizzling [05:29] we still had nothing [05:29] pro got a bit last night [05:29] hes maybe 20 or 30 ks from here [05:42] hi timkeller [05:43] hi superfly [05:58] hi jrgns [06:02] our office [06:02] has a sulfur stench [06:06] wow from what? [06:12] hi Kilos, all === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [06:16] hi Trixar_za [06:19] Hey Kilos [06:36] guten morgen [06:37] hiya inetpro [06:37] Kilos: those few drops don't count for anything [06:37] we got nothing [06:38] somebody stole them away [06:38] ai! [06:38] Kilos: at least it is much cooler this morning [06:38] yip luckily [06:39] was a stinker yesterday and last night [06:41] hope that we'll see some big rains today [06:41] maybe we should revive the rain dance [06:42] lol [06:42] nee man! [06:42] just pray to the big man [06:43] i dont think he is very happy with mankind at the moment [06:43] he'll sort things out [06:43] yo Vince-0 [06:47] Hi Kilos [06:54] good evening [06:55] * Kilos waves to the fly === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [07:16] hi henkj hubx [07:16] superfly: uh, it's morning, really [07:16] hi there [07:17] inetpro, http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img594/6826/marog.jpg [07:17] hubx: wb [07:17] Kilos: sjoe [07:17] lyk soos ware onkruid [07:18] jy gooi dit seker al jare weg [07:18] sal moet gaan loer [07:18] daai goed lekkerder as spinasie en meer voedings waarde [07:18] wat is daai Kilos? [07:19] is dit mfino of die ander goed? [07:19] dis die marog wat die ou boere misbredia genoem het want dit het al om krale op gekom [07:20] die swartes hier noem dit mfino [07:20] ok [07:20] thanks magespawn that's what I was thinking. I really don't see the need to pump my body full of chemicals [07:20] sal bietjie moet kyk [07:21] magespawn: and less so for the kids [07:22] Kilos: wat pluk jy, groot of klein blare? of albei? [07:22] al blare wat nog mooi is , wat goggas nie by gekom het nie [07:22] alle [07:22] superfly: get a mosquito net for the kiddies [07:23] or two [07:23] eek squito probs in a flat? [07:23] sjoe [07:23] inetpro: yeah, and tabbard [07:23] Kilos: no, in kzn [07:24] oh lol [07:24] Kilos: I'm going up to visit magespawn in june [07:24] yeah thats great i been watching the planning superfly [07:25] well, we're going to my sister's wedding, and magespawn gets to benefit [07:25] squitos come out as the sun goes down there so if you close up before then you ok [07:25] and can burn mosquito coils as well [07:25] or those plugin thingies [07:26] and nuvolari too lucky fellas [07:26] ja [07:30] Kilos: too or two? [07:30] too also as well [07:30] sorry [07:30] lol [08:21] morning all [08:26] [08:02:10] .:Squirm:. has a sulfur stench [08:26] [08:06:02] .:Kilos:. wow from what? [08:26] Kilos: don't really know [08:27] my boss thinks it's water stuck in the conduit [08:30] not nice squirm but you get used to it after a while , like going to hotwater sulphur springs [08:39] it's not nice at all [09:26] I suck at those sorts of games, but that's a pretty good idea [09:26] and having teams does make it better [09:32] I wouldn't mind playing some games if I wasn't working [11:07] superfly fans also work nicely at night to keep the mozzies away, kids under a certain age cannot have tablets, anyway it will be the middle of winter. [11:07] ya, saw all of that and figured we'd be fine with just precaution [11:08] i am up at Hilltop camp in the reserve at the moment [11:08] On a game drive [11:08] good evening [11:10] magespawn: nice [11:11] Two days of contrast yesterday 45 in the shade, today 25 cold and rain. [11:14] at least things have cooled down in Pretoria as well [11:15] superfly: you still enjoying that new phone of yours? [11:15] inetpro: yes [11:16] so how's it comparing with that Nokia now? [11:20] I still love the Nokia's physical keyboard and pure linux platform [11:20] Nokia ftw [11:21] but the Android ecosystem is awesome [11:21] I wish I could have a Nokia ecosystem like the Android one [11:22] The n900 hardware capabilities/flexiblity are cool [11:25] Gotta go guys see you later. [11:40] superfly: I think we'll get there [11:40] one day [11:42] inetpro: I hope so, I'm looking forward to seeing how SailFish does. [11:47] see? you CAN bottom post from your Android phone. [11:48] buncha nerfs [11:53] lol [11:57] some peeps cant even bottom post from a buntu pc [11:58] painful reading mails nowadays posts top and bottom [12:10] superfly: all we need is for hardware manufacturers to agree in doing things the real open source way [12:10] inetpro: fat chance [12:10] the direction that sun microsystems was going [12:11] yeah, it's a tough one [12:12] how else will we get there? [12:17] Kilos: wb [12:17] waar was jy? [12:17] ek watch julle nog die hele tyd [12:18] hmm... [12:18] ek wonder [12:18] lol [12:19] en peer het my vir 2 minute gedooi [12:19] 14.16 [12:26] superfly: I must be honest, I see a lot of negativity about Ubuntu/Canonical but I am still very positive about it [12:27] we've come a very long way even if we still have many challenges ahead [12:27] and the ecosystem just keeps growing [12:27] and it's still very good for Linux as a whole [12:37] superfly: didn't nokia dump linux in favour of windows? [12:37] o/ all I need some advice from the boffins regarding dual screens [12:37] * nlsthzn read yesterday nokia is open to android possibilities [12:38] inetpro: that's true but most of the negativity seems to be related to unity though [12:38] nlsthzn: that's interesting... i think they are feeling dumped by microsoft considering they are competing with hardware manufacturers now [12:40] both companies are in a tight spot but any one of them will jump at the possibility to stay relevant :p [12:41] interesting enough, it almost looks like nokia disappeared from the market [12:41] i see or hear almost nothing of them these days [12:41] what we need is for more open source guys to stand together, take a stand and not allow one single company to dominate and take the biggest slice of the cake [12:41] * nlsthzn has dual monitors, one conntected to Radeon gfx card and one connected to Intel on-board... Radeon working fine and Intel now showing anything (except at boot time it shows the Ubuntu plymouth screen) [12:42] there is space for everyone [12:42] what took me by surprise is that even blackberry is still quite active and their new devices look all the more like android/iphone [12:42] nokia lost out bigtime [12:43] nlsthzn: good work, which drivers are you using for the radeon? [12:44] inetpro: that's easier said than done, although personally i'm quite happy if a few large companies keep competing against each other as well [12:44] as long as there's enough competition in the market we can't have microsoft trying to take over the world with their browser again [12:44] some more info that might be useful - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087963 [12:45] I am using the radeon drivers from AMD [12:45] but the intel card doesn't show if I xrandr etc [12:47] is the intel an on-board one? [12:48] yup [12:48] works very well in Windows from the get go :/ [12:48] i have an intel hd in my lenovo and it's working great on ubuntu [12:49] intel graphics chipsets are so simple they work on almost anything :) [12:49] charl_, sure, but I am trying to get both the Intel and Radeon to work at the same time each powering a different monitor [12:50] If I go to a tty the intel takes over and the radeon goes blamnk [12:50] seems it is either the one or the other at the moment [12:50] ah, so when you're in X you have a picture on the radeon and not on the intel [12:50] yup [12:51] and if you go to tty you have it the other way round? [12:51] very interesting [12:51] i can understand the behaviour if you go to tty but it just means X isn't configured correctly right? [12:51] * nlsthzn has no idea [12:51] and xrandr gives you only one monitor? or both? [12:52] only one [12:52] very interesting [12:52] and won't run on the second in tty cause no x running their :p; [12:52] * nlsthzn going to try #u-beginners [12:52] brb [12:52] not exactly a beginner question imho :) [12:53] still better than going to #ubuntu [12:56] this looks interesting: https://www.tizen.org/about [12:58] * nlsthzn is rather hoping Ubuntu Phone OS gets a ROM for the S3... but tizen might be cool too :p [12:58] android not cutting it for you? [12:59] sure, I love android, but I also like Unity and Ubuntu :p [13:00] i like the idea of ubuntu phone but i'm just wondering what the main selling points will be [13:01] charl_: a phone that can be docked to become the desktop on a big screen will be amazing [13:01] well in theory with a quad core phone and enough ram you have a desktop in your pocket [13:01] just need the dock like you said [13:02] endless possibilities [13:02] it will be hard competing with the number of android apps in google play, and android apps are usually designed specifically with the touch screen in mind [13:02] all we need is good hardware [13:02] http://youtu.be/Gu98c6EzEhI [13:02] the docking feature is indeed very cool, but i was referring to the latest "proper" ubuntu on a phone [13:03] charl_, same [13:04] ubuntu on android is android on the phone, ubuntu when docked, ubuntu phone os is ubuntu on the phone and ubuntu when docked [13:04] yeah exactly, the latter then [13:05] hmm i keep disconnecting it seems [13:05] thats something new [13:05] hiya uncle Kilos [13:05] hi there nlsthzn [13:06] spam all the channels :/ [13:06] hahaha [13:07] they already threatening to ban me [13:07] it seems like canonical is pushing really hard for the device convergance, same as microsoft [13:07] one application that can run across all devices with both touch-screen interfaces and physical mouse/touchpad/keyboard etc [13:08] charl_, they state so catagorically [13:08] *speeling [13:08] Unity isn't just a clever name [13:14] great seems #ubuntu has turned into a spammer channel with only hello's and such [13:24] silly question - where is typical places for xorg.conf to hide (I know one is /etc/X11) any others? [13:28] brb [13:33] XDSL released 100Mbit connection [13:33] in SA [13:33] 100Mbps – R64,370 per month [13:33] google, in the US, has it for free [13:34] for 1000Mbps, google charges like $40 [13:34] * Squirm kicks South Africa [13:40] Squirm: ai! [13:57] inetpro: it's bad :/ [13:57] well, actually, it's just plain wrong [14:01] * inetpro agrees [14:12] Squirm: that is our biggest hurdle at the moment [14:25] ok all go home now [14:26] bye! [14:26] toods superfly [14:26] go safe [15:12] ciao all [15:44] thank you kilos [15:44] for what now inetpro ? [15:44] Kilos: you said I can go home [15:44] long ago man [15:45] 16.26 [15:45] you been sleeping [15:45] oh but I didn't see it then [15:45] ?? [15:45] ai! [15:45] hahaha [15:45] Kilos: but /me has been at home long before that [15:46] sjoe sklem [15:46] skelm [15:46] lol [15:46] het jy gelees wat het ek gese [15:46] * inetpro had to fetch the highschool kids at school today [15:46] ah [15:47] Kilos: jep, and all done [15:47] and dusted [15:47] good man that was quick [15:47] them too? [15:47] all in a days work [15:47] youll only get that prob where the ground doesnt rain wet [15:48] them and flees love dry soil [15:48] Kilos: we'll sort them all out [15:48] good man [15:48] thanks for the tips [15:49] helps to have a farmer on the channel [15:49] anytime sir [15:49] my limited knowledge is yours [15:49] haha [15:52] yo tumbleweed [15:52] all good? [15:57] yup, pretty good. you? [15:57] weather liars say we had 60% chance of heavy rain today and tonight [15:57] we had nothing [15:57] good ty tumbleweed [15:57] well, it was only a 60% chance :) [15:57] haha [15:58] lemme know when you python guys have time to work on the greeter please [15:58] it does funny things [15:59] such as? [15:59] if i close it by ctrl+c in the terminal and restart it greets everyone individually [15:59] haha [15:59] major spam [16:00] otherwise it just greets new peeps when channel quiet [16:00] right, so it should ignore everyone who's in the channel when it joins [16:00] when it joins normally it does ignore them [16:01] only with the ctrl+c kill [16:01] if i tell it die it doesnt [16:02] that's suprising [16:02] yeah shes a cheeky thing [16:03] you can visit on ##kilos [16:12] hi Tonberry [16:12] hi [16:47] inetpro, hier kom die wind [16:51] * Kilos tuned juank a bit in the mail [16:51] Kilos: ja ek voel hom hy kom [16:52] hehe hopelik saam met water [16:56] i go eat [17:14] hi smile [17:14] hi :p [17:30] nuvolari, spoel jy weg? [18:30] * Kilos peeks in at the morgue [18:32] hmmm,, smelly bunch of corpses [18:40] tumbleweed: ping [18:40] superfly: hi [18:41] tumbleweed: I'm getting 404 errors when I apt-get update on my Debian sid VM [18:41] lemme pastebin my output [18:42] sounds like a broken mirror [18:43] tumbleweed: I'm using ftp.debian.org and security.debian.org [18:43] Err http://security.debian.org sid/updates/main Sources [18:43] 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] [18:44] sources.list? [18:44] I've messed around with it a bit, tried to get it back to normal. hold on while I get it [18:46] http://pastebin.com/fTf0S8Rz [18:47] superfly: security.debian.org doesn't have a /debian/ [18:47] ah [18:50] tumbleweed: still getting a 404: Err http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Sources [18:51] oh, and of course, unstable isn't doesn't have security support [18:51] duh [18:51] ah [18:51] unstable's security updates come in the form of new uploads to unstable [18:52] testing gets security updates, but only very rarely [18:52] * superfly was trying to get the most recent version of Firefox, er IceWeasel, as opposed to version 10 [18:52] most come through unstable [18:52] superfly: you probably want mozilla.debian.net [18:52] tumbleweed: right [18:55] * superfly sees the light [18:55] tumbleweed: I've decided to move to Debian [18:56] not sure exactly when, got data to backup and move and stuff [18:57] but the KDE that comes with Debian is just smoother than what comes with Kubuntu [18:58] heh [18:58] don't tell the kubuntu people that :P [18:59] I'm over them. I tried to get help from them once and everyone was pointing at everyone else. [18:59] I find Kubuntu one of the most functional areas of Ubuntu. They manage suprisingly well with a tiny team [18:59] but it probably helps that there's a coherent upstream and no commercial conflicts [19:05] evening all [19:05] hi magespawn [19:05] wb [19:05] we still had no rain [19:06] We had rain today and major drop in temp [19:06] temps dropped lekker but no water [19:06] sigh [19:12] * Squirm looks at inetpro [19:12] seems I have you on twitter [19:12] Squirm: why? [19:13] I just saw an email saying you retweeted something from Command Line Magic [19:13] :P [19:14] because I don't use twitter, twitter seems to send me random messages to remind me I have an account :P [19:14] Squirm: hmm... ok [19:14] must be one of those rather interesting retweets [19:15] lsof / | awk '/ DEL /{proc[$1]=1;} END{for (name in proc){print name;}}' # names of processes that keep deleted files open. [19:15] ahh, I liked that [19:15] lsof is one very underestimated powerful command [19:16] with so many different things you can use it for [19:17] and combined with awk the above is just lovely [19:17] geek heaven [19:19] I particularly love that last for loop in awk [19:19] have never used it before this to be honest [19:21] * magespawn goes to read up on lsof and awk [19:22] inetpro is showing his sysadmin side [19:23] superfly: eh :-P [19:24] superfly: it's nice, isn't it? [19:24] inetpro: I'm not a sysadmin, never needed to use it [19:25] hmm... [19:25] just copy and paste that on your desktop [19:25] even there it returns interesting info [19:26] then do the following and see how awk transformed it for you [19:26] lsof / | grep DEL [19:27] then go and do it on a busy server and you will appreciate the coolness [19:28] copy and paste in your cli* [19:41] oh and here's another magic one from climagic that just landed on twitter [19:41] ls -rtl | tail -n 1 [19:43] well not so magic but useful [19:43] tail -n 1 can be shortened to just tail -1 [19:47] oh and if you need to watch a folder with a number of frequently changing files just do this: [19:47] watch 'ls -lt --full-time | head' [20:10] is it Friday evening? [20:11] Yup [20:11] ahh, no wonder it's so quiet here [20:11] magespawn: BTW, did you see anything today? [20:12] Big five except leopard [20:12] wow [20:12] yup pretty cool despite the weather [20:13] it cold there? [20:13] For us yes [20:14] interesting how we have these extreme fluctuations this year [20:14] this season* [20:14] I guess even the animals are confused [20:18] They tend to react as it happens [20:22] Most of the big ones prefer colder weather [20:23] now that is interesting [20:24] Means they can stay more active without overheating [20:26] makes sense [20:32] magespawn: where do you do these game drives? [20:33] superfly: I'm guessing the hluhluwe game reserve? [20:34] * inetpro was there many years ago [20:34] very nice area [20:34] Most of the time but occasionaly some of the others [20:34] oh of course, there are many private farms as well [20:36] And Mkuze, St Lucia/isiMangaliso [20:36] nice [20:37] sjoe magespawn, you go as far as the St Lucia park as well? [20:38] Sometimes, only about 100 km though [20:39] i have a warped sense of far when it comes to driving [20:40] lol [20:41] magespawn: you have a tracking app on your mobile phone? [20:41] or other device even? [20:41] Somewhere never used it though [20:42] some very useful apps that are available for android these days [20:43] could be interesting if you used it on a regular basis to see where you have gone and where not [20:43] and then marking the areas where you have spotted the different animals [20:44] Yeah would be, how many times i have been down the same roads [20:45] I do that that at the current company i have done about 150 000 km of game drive [20:45] wow [20:47] Work out how far you drive per day, then work it over 10 years, give yourself a shock [20:50] anyways [20:51] * inetpro calls it a night [20:51] good night everyone [21:05] Good night [21:05] I am also off, night y'all