| popey | pip pip | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| jacobw | toodle do | 00:04 |
| AlanBell | hi popey | 00:06 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| Seeker` | ali1234, seems that a 290e scans/tunes correctly. Still no idea why my other two cards are dead though | 01:39 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:11 |
| SuperEngineer | morninks brobostigon | 10:12 |
| brobostigon | morning SuperEngineer | 10:13 |
| Myrtti | morning | 10:16 |
| Myrtti | swype is usable again, wheee | 10:16 |
| brobostigon | morning Myrtti | 10:17 |
| SuperEngineer | Myrtti: why was it not? [interested as I've recently installed it] | 10:17 |
| Myrtti | didn't have tab or arrow keys for a while | 10:17 |
| SuperEngineer | ...assuming that was Skype?? | 10:18 |
| Myrtti | made irssi usage difficult on mobile | 10:18 |
| Myrtti | no | 10:18 |
| SuperEngineer | my bad | 10:18 |
| Myrtti | Swype | 10:18 |
| SuperEngineer | ok | 10:18 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| SuperEngineer_ | ok - who nicked my internet... and why am I now showing as both me & me_ [come on xchat - get it right!] | 10:37 |
| SuperEngineer_ | time to log off & back on... 'scuse me a mo | 10:38 |
| cjo | argh, I think my mythtv backend is screwed :( | 10:43 |
| cjo | Got a disk to replace the failing one I can do sometihng about, spent hours copying stuff over. Updated the machine and rebooted and now I'm getting a bad superblock error | 10:44 |
| cjo | on the new drive. As well as a pre-existing bad superblock on another drive | 10:44 |
| jacobw | hey | 10:58 |
| brobostigon | hey jacobw | 10:58 |
| jacobw | hey brobostigon, how's it going? | 11:00 |
| brobostigon | jacobw: not bad, and you? | 11:00 |
| jacobw | brobostigon: pretty good, working through some project euler today | 11:06 |
| brobostigon | jacobw: :) | 11:06 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmm - Big Bang Theory or catch up on work emails... hmmm -such a quandary ;) | 12:09 |
| brobostigon | big bang, everytime, :) | 12:12 |
| SuperEngineer | brobostigon: +1 | 12:12 |
| brobostigon | :) | 12:12 |
| SuperEngineer | Just been catching up on work emails - one demanding a "new mythology" re a certain customer. I have promised to comply ;) | 13:15 |
| SuperEngineer | [things I do whilst watching BigBang!] | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | lol | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | are you going to develop a new backstory involving elves? | 13:16 |
| SuperEngineer | ali1234: that *is* a good idea! - then watch boss's brain melt | 13:17 |
| SuperEngineer | ...could even tell him I was inspired miMecraft [deliberate mis-spell] | 13:20 |
| SuperEngineer | *inspired by | 13:21 |
| SuperEngineer | connxn slowing to a halt.. me sign off now | 13:36 |
| popey | Pip pip! | 16:17 |
| penguin42 | Hey Popey | 16:20 |
| DJShira | hello | 17:05 |
| DJShira | im new in Linux etc and have a little problem with my firefox flash | 17:05 |
| popey | DJShira: hello | 17:06 |
| DJShira | firefox dont find the flash plugin, i have tryd it now with google chrome and here it works very fine | 17:06 |
| DJShira | hello popey | 17:06 |
| brobostigon | chrome has flash already there built into itself. which is seperate from the normal installed flash. | 17:07 |
| popey | DJShira: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer | 17:07 |
| DJShira | no, i must install it manual in chrome | 17:07 |
| popey | DJShira: chrome or chromium? | 17:07 |
| DJShira | popey i have tryd it | 17:07 |
| popey | what happens when you run that command? | 17:08 |
| DJShira | also manual in firefox | 17:08 |
| DJShira | *chrome | 17:08 |
| DJShira | its allready installed | 17:08 |
| popey | brobostigon is right, chrome has flash already built in | 17:08 |
| popey | what isn't working then? | 17:08 |
| popey | http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ | 17:08 |
| popey | does that page tell you what version of flash you have installed? | 17:08 |
| DJShira | firefox dont fin it | 17:08 |
| SuperEngineer | DJones: have you retarted since installing it? | 17:09 |
| DJShira | 11.2 | 17:09 |
| popey | SuperEngineer: not necessary | 17:09 |
| DJShira | ah wrong | 17:09 |
| DJShira | i have | 17:09 |
| DJShira | 11,5,31,137 installed | 17:09 |
| popey | unless you mean "restarted browser" ☺ | 17:09 |
| popey | ok, good, so you have flash | 17:09 |
| SuperEngineer | popey... thought it still was... - i'll shut up ;) | 17:09 |
| popey | hah | 17:09 |
| DJShira | but in firefox dont work | 17:10 |
| popey | DJShira: so what exactly isn't working | 17:10 |
| popey | "don't work" isn't sufficient information | 17:10 |
| DJShira | firefox cant find flash | 17:10 |
| popey | what are you doing and what doesn't work? | 17:10 |
| popey | e.g. what website | 17:10 |
| DJShira | firefox say i have no flash installed | 17:10 |
| penguin42 | when? | 17:10 |
| popey | if you visit http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ in firefox, does it give a version number? | 17:10 |
| DJShira | nope | 17:11 |
| popey | what version of ubuntu are you using? and are you using it on a normal pc, not an arm based tablet? | 17:11 |
| DJShira | i have also tryd to search about my problem via google but nobody have that problem. the flash lib is in the firefox folder etc | 17:12 |
| DJShira | i have it on my new acer pc | 17:13 |
| DJShira | i dont know what ubuntu version it exactly is, its based on ubuntu | 17:13 |
| popey | "based on ubuntu"? | 17:13 |
| popey | so is it mint? | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: Start again, what exactly have you got installed on this PC? | 17:13 |
| DJShira | you know how i mean, its ubuntu but with many many tools | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: No, we don't know - what exactly | 17:14 |
| DJShira | backttrack | 17:14 |
| popey | no, I dont know how you mean | 17:14 |
| popey | right, thats not ubuntu | 17:14 |
| popey | you want #backtrack | 17:14 |
| DJShira | it is ubuntu^ | 17:15 |
| popey | no. it is not | 17:15 |
| popey | it is _based_ on ubuntu. It is not Ubuntu | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: You need to be honest if you are going to get any help; please telll us exactly what you have done if you want any | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: How exactly did you install flash? | 17:16 |
| DJShira | havt i also know is, under system - pref, when i click on adobe flash player i get a error message (permission denided) | 17:16 |
| DJShira | i have install the flashplayer-instzaller via synaptic | 17:17 |
| DJShira | that has not work | 17:17 |
| DJShira | then i have erease it and install it manual | 17:17 |
| DJShira | also dont work | 17:17 |
| DJShira | then i have install google chrome | 17:18 |
| DJShira | create a plugins folder | 17:18 |
| DJShira | copyd the flash plugin in the plugin folder | 17:18 |
| DJShira | have change the menu command from google chtome to enable plugins | 17:18 |
| DJShira | start chrome | 17:18 |
| DJShira | flash work | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: I'd go back to installing it via the package and see what's going wrong there | 17:19 |
| DJShira | install work | 17:20 |
| DJShira | no probs | 17:20 |
| DJShira | but firefox cant detect it | 17:21 |
| brobostigon | does it show in about:plugins in FF ? | 17:21 |
| DJShira | no | 17:21 |
| SuperEngineer | DJShira: "Installer for the Adobe Flash plug-in for Mozilla" | 17:22 |
| popey | i believe there is some information missing here. like it's firefox under wine or something equally odd. | 17:22 |
| DJShira | but it is in the mozilla/plugins folder | 17:22 |
| penguin42 | popey: Not necessarily, I've seen firefox misbehave like this, but I'm not prepared to debug except via the pacakge | 17:23 |
| DJShira | nope its not under wine | 17:23 |
| popey | well, if there's been sufficient dicking about with the system it's hard to know what state its in | 17:23 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: You could try deleting the pluginreg.dat files that are a few levels down in |/.mozilla/firefox it sometime gets confused about that | 17:23 |
| DJShira | ok i try | 17:23 |
| popey | or it's firefox from a tarball or something | 17:24 |
| popey | people who use backtrack do _odd_ things | 17:24 |
| popey | IMHO | 17:24 |
| penguin42 | haha | 17:24 |
| popey | odd as in "using backtrack" being the first one | 17:24 |
| DJShira | i have also delete the installed firefox and download and install the new from the mozilla homepage | 17:24 |
| popey | there we go | 17:25 |
| popey | told you | 17:25 |
| SuperEngineer | boooom! | 17:25 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: OK, forget it - I'm not helping; you could have told us that 20 minutes ago | 17:26 |
| DJShira | ok now im confused | 17:26 |
| penguin42 | DJShira: Try somewhere else, not here | 17:26 |
| DJShira | firefox have delete the plugin self from the folder? OO | 17:26 |
| DJShira | hu whats now wrong? OO sry when my english is not the best | 17:28 |
| === davie_ is now known as ne1 | ||
| popey | DJShira: i would recommend removing your firefox/mozilla folders in your home directory (or create a new user, so start blank), install firefox from the repository, and flash from the repository "sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox flashplugin-installer" and then test that install | 17:34 |
| popey | and focus just on getting that thing fixed, and not muck about with other browsers / download tarballs | 17:35 |
| popey | also, I would recommend either using Ubuntu or Debian. Backtrack seem to have zero support, and just send their users to ubuntu irc channels which is not the right thing to do | 17:35 |
| DJShira | ok ty i will try | 17:35 |
| ali1234 | backtrack is for pen testing | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | if you need end user support you shouldn't be using it in the first place | 17:38 |
| popey | well, indeed | 17:39 |
| ali1234 | i think people confuse "security distro" with "secure distro" | 17:39 |
| DJShira_ | sry crashed | 17:40 |
| ali1234 | http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I.27m_new_to_linux.2C_is_BackTrack_a_good_place_to_start_.3F | 17:40 |
| DJShira_ | yes ok but i thing the basic things like flash etc must work same as in other distr. | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | DJShira_: The way they are installed and managed aren't | 17:43 |
| ali1234 | it's based on ubuntu 10.04 | 17:44 |
| ali1234 | so it's basically 3 years out of date now | 17:44 |
| popey | hah, oh dear | 17:45 |
| penguin42 | although still in support | 17:45 |
| popey | define support | 17:45 |
| popey | (from backtrack) | 17:46 |
| penguin42 | popey: 10.04 is still in support | 17:46 |
| popey | its not 10.04 tho | 17:46 |
| ali1234 | 3 year support on desktop | 17:46 |
| popey | you know this though ☺ | 17:46 |
| ali1234 | so that expires in like 2 months | 17:46 |
| penguin42 | and hence it hasn't yet | 17:46 |
| popey | thats come around fast | 17:46 |
| ali1234 | support doesn't cover the whole distro anyway | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | it covers packages | 17:47 |
| popey | it covers ff and flash tho | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | you can tell, because different packages are supported for different timeframes | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | therefore this must be true | 17:47 |
| popey | you can tell by looking at the package | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | also, define support? | 17:47 |
| popey | alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show firefox | grep Supported | 17:47 |
| popey | Supported: 5y | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | when you say "ubuntu is supported for x years" it doesn't mean "we will tell you how to install it" | 17:48 |
| * penguin42 wonders if popey also has earth | 17:48 | |
| ali1234 | it means "we will backport security fixes to these packages" | 17:48 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: No, but it will mean that I'd help someone with it | 17:48 |
| ali1234 | thus if backtrack uses the same repos like mint does, then the backtrack packages are covered by this support, whether the developers like it or not | 17:48 |
| * penguin42 only got rid of his work laptops 10.04 a couple of months ago | 17:48 | |
| ali1234 | well i will help people using 8.04 if they have a good reason to do so | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | i'm not bound by any support contract, the 3y/5y thing is irrelevant to me | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | point being, "supported" is another one of those weasel words | 17:49 |
| popey | not if you define it | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | to the customer it means "tell me how it works" to developers it means "maintained" | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah but nobody ever does | 17:50 |
| DJShira_ | ah totaly forgotten to post the reinstall errors | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | "stable" is another one | 17:50 |
| DJShira_ | 2013-01-13 18:40:13 ERROR 404: Not Found. download failed The Flash plugin is NOT installed. | 17:50 |
| ali1234 | to consumer it means "does not crash" - to developers it means "i'm never changing the code again" | 17:50 |
| popey | there we go DJShira_ | 17:50 |
| popey | so the flashplugin-installer package is getting the "wrong" flash tarball | 17:51 |
| popey | someone should try and reproduce that on a real 10.04 system | 17:51 |
| popey | if it's indeed broken then we need to fix it | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | well it's probably an ancient flashplugin-installer trying to download an ancient flashplugin that adobe no longer ships | 17:51 |
| popey | yes | 17:51 |
| popey | but we can fix it | 17:51 |
| popey | i will happily test in a vm later on, but for now I'm off to San Francisco to walk about and drink beer | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | no need to actually try this on a real system, just loook at the packages | 17:52 |
| popey | ttfn | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | popey: Nice | 17:52 |
| popey | true, file a bug ali1234 if you feel inclined and I'll poke people | 17:52 |
| ali1234 | it's probably backtrack not importing the newest package | 17:52 |
| popey | i thought they use the same repo/archive | 17:52 |
| popey | like mint | 17:52 |
| popey | anyway, ttfn | 17:52 |
| ali1234 | i dunno if they do or not | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | sounds like bug 1064743 | 17:53 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1064743 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "flash plugin 11.2.202.243ubuntu0.10.04.1 tar.gz file missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064743 | 17:53 |
| ali1234 | i don't even know if mint does these days | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | my oneiric mint seems to have a mix | 17:55 |
| ali1234 | backtrack looks like an overlay repository | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | !info flashplugin-installer | 17:59 |
| lubotu3 | flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 11.2.202.261ubuntu0.12.10.1 (quantal), package size 7 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | it's multiverse | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | which means it isn't supported *at all* | 18:00 |
| ali1234 | especially not by canonical | 18:00 |
| ali1234 | so the "5 year support" does not apply. at all. | 18:00 |
| ali1234 | !info adobe-flashplugin | 18:00 |
| lubotu3 | Package adobe-flashplugin does not exist in quantal | 18:00 |
| ali1234 | !info flashplugin-installer lucid | 18:01 |
| lubotu3 | flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 11.2.202.261ubuntu0.10.04.1 (lucid), package size 20 kB, installed size 116 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | 18:01 |
| ali1234 | same version | 18:02 |
| DJShira_ | nice :/ | 18:02 |
| ali1234 | but notice it's in security/updates: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/flashplugin-installer | 18:02 |
| ali1234 | so i'm 99.99% sure this problem is caused by backtrack being a kang | 18:02 |
| DJShira_ | i have now setup it again (newer version) and why he say and older version is available? | 18:05 |
| DJShira_ | the flash problem is only in firefox | 18:05 |
| DJShira_ | not in chrome | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | i dunno. going for dinner | 18:06 |
| SuperEngineer | DJShira_: why not just use Chrome then - solves your problem! | 18:07 |
| brobostigon | as i have said previously, chrome has flash already built into it, | 18:07 |
| ali1234 | you should read the backtrack faq especially this part http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I.27m_new_to_linux.2C_is_BackTrack_a_good_place_to_start_.3F | 18:07 |
| DJShira_ | i have read it | 18:07 |
| DJShira_ | but the flash works, only not in firefox. I have install the firefox from the mozilla page, intsall the flash from launchpad and yay firefox dont like it | 18:09 |
| DJShira_ | but i have found a interessting thing in the ubuntu folders, called FLASHBLOCK | 18:12 |
| DJShira_ | flashblock desc - Firefox extension that replaces flash plugin by a button | 18:13 |
| DJShira_ | ok i thing i have found how i canmake it work, oh yes the backtrack site have a how to make flash work. great :D | 18:18 |
| SuperEngineer | What? - you mean backtrack has this answeredon the backtrack site?.... odd that... hmmm | 18:20 |
| DJShira_ | yes, after long sdearch i have found it | 18:21 |
| DJShira_ | http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Install_Flash_Player | 18:21 |
| DJShira_ | yay haha dont work OO | 18:24 |
| SuperEngineer | coooo; | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | c | 18:55 |
| SuperEngineer | ignoe previous - meant for Skype | 18:55 |
| SuperEngineer | darn -my spelling was bad there... perhaps I should start installing flash ;) | 18:58 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone here using Skype app on Ubuntu? My q/ is: how to increase font size in chats window? | 19:07 |
| SuperEngineer | [tried different "styles" in it's settings to no avail] | 19:08 |
| === MonsterKiller_ is now known as MonsterKiller | ||
| directhex | moo. | 20:14 |
| Azelphur | does anyone get a bug with gedit where the cursor disappears when you minimise it? drives me nuts :( | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | how can you tell that the cursor disappears when you minimize it? | 21:34 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: I mean, when you bring it up again, the text cursor is gone | 21:34 |
| Azelphur | so you have no idea where your typing | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | what? | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | gone? | 21:35 |
| Azelphur | yup | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | hell no i never saw anything like that | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | and i use gedit all day every day | 21:35 |
| Azelphur | Step 1) Minimise gedit, Step 2) bring gedit back, Step 3) You now don't have a text cursor, enjoy frustration | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | that sounds like a compiz bug tbh | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | sounds like the firefox focus issue | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | where you unminimize firefox and you can't type into anything like URL bar, search bar | 21:36 |
| Azelphur | Maybe, I get a similar issue with nautilus too | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | you can click in them but there i just no cursor. the windw looks selected too | 21:36 |
| * Azelphur tries the firefox thing | 21:36 | |
| Azelphur | nah doesn't happen with firefox, just gedit and nautilus. | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | to repro it in firefox i think you have to minimize it, then click a URL in some other app and cause it to unminimize | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | this bug has been fixed and regressed about 5 times in the past 2 years | 21:37 |
| Azelphur | nope still can't replicate (I used terminal to simulate clicking a link since ff isn't my default browser) | 21:37 |
| Azelphur | maybe soreau would know since he knows all the compiz things | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | does typing work? | 21:39 |
| Azelphur | yea typing works | 21:39 |
| Azelphur | and clicking to set position works | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | it's something different then | 21:39 |
| Azelphur | yea | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | what if you press insert | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | or change colour scheme | 21:41 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: cursor still invisible, although it still replaces characters as it should | 21:41 |
| soreau | Azelphur: Sounds possible that it's a keyboard focus issue. You can try another wm to see if it's compiz | 21:41 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: colour scheme doesn't fix it | 21:42 |
| bigcalm | Good evening peeps :) | 21:44 |
| inn0min4t3_ | Good evening | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | i just accidentally mistyped slashdot and ended up on some gambling site with this terrible bit of photoshopping http://imagebin.org/242781 | 21:59 |
| mgdm | coudln't it be the other woman's arm? | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | i suppose it could be but i think my version is more amusing | 22:02 |
| mgdm | true :) | 22:03 |
| bigcalm | Amusing :) | 22:12 |
| skinofstars | hi all | 22:14 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| bigcalm | mgdm: happy b'day btw :) | 23:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Hi there.. I'm just checking wasn't the 'test' machine for The Ubuntu -TV distro supposed to be the 'Acer Revo RL70' or am I mistaken in that ??? | 23:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | popey,ping | 23:36 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | popey, ping | 23:37 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Come on, Nerds ... help me out here, pretty please ?? | 23:39 |
| daftykins | solarcloud_3scrn: do you think that's funny? | 23:40 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Got it .. "what's the target hardware | 23:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | ... we used an Acer Revo during development," https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing .. looks ike they just used that for dev. .. shame as I had a REVO offer for £130 +P&P (usu. £350) .. oh well. And no , don't take offence. | 23:44 |
| daftykins | i'm not, i think less of you for typing it though | 23:45 |
| daftykins | if it's an old Ion 1 Revo, forget it | 23:45 |
| daftykins | they're old school | 23:45 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | thought it was this one ... | 23:46 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-Revo-RL70-320GB-4GB-AMD-Nettop-PC-Windows-7-/271138221296?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4856002109217952313%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D271137531596%26 | 23:46 |
| daftykins | oh an AMD E-450 | 23:47 |
| daftykins | even worse :> | 23:47 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | why do I always feel like mypetals have torn off everytime I visit this #channel and ask a general question ??Why is that daftykins , WHY ?? | 23:48 |
| daftykins | i'm not sure, are you really a flower? :D | 23:48 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I'm a buttercup :) | 23:49 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | today, anyway. | 23:49 |
| daftykins | heh | 23:50 |
| daftykins | truthfully i don't know how that AMD benches against intel atoms | 23:50 |
| daftykins | but my feeling would be that it's a glorified calculator | 23:50 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I had my b.day party, today .. althou my b.day was over a week ago... :) | 23:50 |
| daftykins | O_O how odd | 23:52 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | all the restaurants were shut .. so we leave it a week every year ... | 23:53 |
| cjo | coming from someone that describes themsevles as a flower, relatively not that odd | 23:53 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I'd love to see Ubuntu TV on the game stick :: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/872297630/gamestick-the-most-portable-tv-games-console-ever/ | 23:55 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | although I think that slightly disrupts the Shuttle's vision :) | 23:57 |
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