[00:03] pip pip [00:04] toodle do [00:06] hi popey === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:39] ali1234, seems that a 290e scans/tunes correctly. Still no idea why my other two cards are dead though [10:11] good morning everyone. [10:12] morninks brobostigon [10:13] morning SuperEngineer [10:16] morning [10:16] swype is usable again, wheee [10:17] morning Myrtti [10:17] Myrtti: why was it not? [interested as I've recently installed it] [10:17] didn't have tab or arrow keys for a while [10:18] ...assuming that was Skype?? [10:18] made irssi usage difficult on mobile [10:18] no [10:18] my bad [10:18] Swype [10:18] ok === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:37] ok - who nicked my internet... and why am I now showing as both me & me_ [come on xchat - get it right!] [10:38] time to log off & back on... 'scuse me a mo [10:43] argh, I think my mythtv backend is screwed :( [10:44] Got a disk to replace the failing one I can do sometihng about, spent hours copying stuff over. Updated the machine and rebooted and now I'm getting a bad superblock error [10:44] on the new drive. As well as a pre-existing bad superblock on another drive [10:58] hey [10:58] hey jacobw [11:00] hey brobostigon, how's it going? [11:00] jacobw: not bad, and you? [11:06] brobostigon: pretty good, working through some project euler today [11:06] jacobw: :) [12:09] hmmm - Big Bang Theory or catch up on work emails... hmmm -such a quandary ;) [12:12] big bang, everytime, :) [12:12] brobostigon: +1 [12:12] :) [13:15] Just been catching up on work emails - one demanding a "new mythology" re a certain customer. I have promised to comply ;) [13:16] [things I do whilst watching BigBang!] [13:16] lol [13:16] are you going to develop a new backstory involving elves? [13:17] ali1234: that *is* a good idea! - then watch boss's brain melt [13:20] ...could even tell him I was inspired miMecraft [deliberate mis-spell] [13:21] *inspired by [13:36] connxn slowing to a halt.. me sign off now [16:17] Pip pip! [16:20] Hey Popey [17:05] hello [17:05] im new in Linux etc and have a little problem with my firefox flash [17:06] DJShira: hello [17:06] firefox dont find the flash plugin, i have tryd it now with google chrome and here it works very fine [17:06] hello popey [17:07] chrome has flash already there built into itself. which is seperate from the normal installed flash. [17:07] DJShira: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer [17:07] no, i must install it manual in chrome [17:07] DJShira: chrome or chromium? [17:07] popey i have tryd it [17:08] what happens when you run that command? [17:08] also manual in firefox [17:08] *chrome [17:08] its allready installed [17:08] brobostigon is right, chrome has flash already built in [17:08] what isn't working then? [17:08] http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ [17:08] does that page tell you what version of flash you have installed? [17:08] firefox dont fin it [17:09] DJones: have you retarted since installing it? [17:09] 11.2 [17:09] SuperEngineer: not necessary [17:09] ah wrong [17:09] i have [17:09] 11,5,31,137 installed [17:09] unless you mean "restarted browser" ☺ [17:09] ok, good, so you have flash [17:09] popey... thought it still was... - i'll shut up ;) [17:09] hah [17:10] but in firefox dont work [17:10] DJShira: so what exactly isn't working [17:10] "don't work" isn't sufficient information [17:10] firefox cant find flash [17:10] what are you doing and what doesn't work? [17:10] e.g. what website [17:10] firefox say i have no flash installed [17:10] when? [17:10] if you visit http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ in firefox, does it give a version number? [17:11] nope [17:11] what version of ubuntu are you using? and are you using it on a normal pc, not an arm based tablet? [17:12] i have also tryd to search about my problem via google but nobody have that problem. the flash lib is in the firefox folder etc [17:13] i have it on my new acer pc [17:13] i dont know what ubuntu version it exactly is, its based on ubuntu [17:13] "based on ubuntu"? [17:13] so is it mint? [17:13] DJShira: Start again, what exactly have you got installed on this PC? [17:13] you know how i mean, its ubuntu but with many many tools [17:14] DJShira: No, we don't know - what exactly [17:14] backttrack [17:14] no, I dont know how you mean [17:14] right, thats not ubuntu [17:14] you want #backtrack [17:15] it is ubuntu^ [17:15] no. it is not [17:15] it is _based_ on ubuntu. It is not Ubuntu [17:15] DJShira: You need to be honest if you are going to get any help; please telll us exactly what you have done if you want any [17:16] DJShira: How exactly did you install flash? [17:16] havt i also know is, under system - pref, when i click on adobe flash player i get a error message (permission denided) [17:17] i have install the flashplayer-instzaller via synaptic [17:17] that has not work [17:17] then i have erease it and install it manual [17:17] also dont work [17:18] then i have install google chrome [17:18] create a plugins folder [17:18] copyd the flash plugin in the plugin folder [17:18] have change the menu command from google chtome to enable plugins [17:18] start chrome [17:18] flash work [17:19] DJShira: I'd go back to installing it via the package and see what's going wrong there [17:20] install work [17:20] no probs [17:21] but firefox cant detect it [17:21] does it show in about:plugins in FF ? [17:21] no [17:22] DJShira: "Installer for the Adobe Flash plug-in for Mozilla" [17:22] i believe there is some information missing here. like it's firefox under wine or something equally odd. [17:22] but it is in the mozilla/plugins folder [17:23] popey: Not necessarily, I've seen firefox misbehave like this, but I'm not prepared to debug except via the pacakge [17:23] nope its not under wine [17:23] well, if there's been sufficient dicking about with the system it's hard to know what state its in [17:23] DJShira: You could try deleting the pluginreg.dat files that are a few levels down in |/.mozilla/firefox it sometime gets confused about that [17:23] ok i try [17:24] or it's firefox from a tarball or something [17:24] people who use backtrack do _odd_ things [17:24] IMHO [17:24] haha [17:24] odd as in "using backtrack" being the first one [17:24] i have also delete the installed firefox and download and install the new from the mozilla homepage [17:25] there we go [17:25] told you [17:25] boooom! [17:26] DJShira: OK, forget it - I'm not helping; you could have told us that 20 minutes ago [17:26] ok now im confused [17:26] DJShira: Try somewhere else, not here [17:26] firefox have delete the plugin self from the folder? OO [17:28] hu whats now wrong? OO sry when my english is not the best === davie_ is now known as ne1 [17:34] DJShira: i would recommend removing your firefox/mozilla folders in your home directory (or create a new user, so start blank), install firefox from the repository, and flash from the repository "sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox flashplugin-installer" and then test that install [17:35] and focus just on getting that thing fixed, and not muck about with other browsers / download tarballs [17:35] also, I would recommend either using Ubuntu or Debian. Backtrack seem to have zero support, and just send their users to ubuntu irc channels which is not the right thing to do [17:35] ok ty i will try [17:38] backtrack is for pen testing [17:38] if you need end user support you shouldn't be using it in the first place [17:39] well, indeed [17:39] i think people confuse "security distro" with "secure distro" [17:40] sry crashed [17:40] http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I.27m_new_to_linux.2C_is_BackTrack_a_good_place_to_start_.3F [17:43] yes ok but i thing the basic things like flash etc must work same as in other distr. [17:43] DJShira_: The way they are installed and managed aren't [17:44] it's based on ubuntu 10.04 [17:44] so it's basically 3 years out of date now [17:45] hah, oh dear [17:45] although still in support [17:45] define support [17:46] (from backtrack) [17:46] popey: 10.04 is still in support [17:46] its not 10.04 tho [17:46] 3 year support on desktop [17:46] you know this though ☺ [17:46] so that expires in like 2 months [17:46] and hence it hasn't yet [17:46] thats come around fast [17:47] support doesn't cover the whole distro anyway [17:47] it covers packages [17:47] it covers ff and flash tho [17:47] you can tell, because different packages are supported for different timeframes [17:47] therefore this must be true [17:47] you can tell by looking at the package [17:47] also, define support? [17:47] alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show firefox | grep Supported [17:47] Supported: 5y [17:48] when you say "ubuntu is supported for x years" it doesn't mean "we will tell you how to install it" [17:48] * penguin42 wonders if popey also has earth [17:48] it means "we will backport security fixes to these packages" [17:48] ali1234: No, but it will mean that I'd help someone with it [17:48] thus if backtrack uses the same repos like mint does, then the backtrack packages are covered by this support, whether the developers like it or not [17:48] * penguin42 only got rid of his work laptops 10.04 a couple of months ago [17:49] well i will help people using 8.04 if they have a good reason to do so [17:49] i'm not bound by any support contract, the 3y/5y thing is irrelevant to me [17:49] point being, "supported" is another one of those weasel words [17:50] not if you define it [17:50] to the customer it means "tell me how it works" to developers it means "maintained" [17:50] yeah but nobody ever does [17:50] ah totaly forgotten to post the reinstall errors [17:50] "stable" is another one [17:50] 2013-01-13 18:40:13 ERROR 404: Not Found. download failed The Flash plugin is NOT installed. [17:50] to consumer it means "does not crash" - to developers it means "i'm never changing the code again" [17:50] there we go DJShira_ [17:51] so the flashplugin-installer package is getting the "wrong" flash tarball [17:51] someone should try and reproduce that on a real 10.04 system [17:51] if it's indeed broken then we need to fix it [17:51] well it's probably an ancient flashplugin-installer trying to download an ancient flashplugin that adobe no longer ships [17:51] yes [17:51] but we can fix it [17:51] i will happily test in a vm later on, but for now I'm off to San Francisco to walk about and drink beer [17:52] no need to actually try this on a real system, just loook at the packages [17:52] ttfn [17:52] popey: Nice [17:52] true, file a bug ali1234 if you feel inclined and I'll poke people [17:52] it's probably backtrack not importing the newest package [17:52] i thought they use the same repo/archive [17:52] like mint [17:52] anyway, ttfn [17:53] i dunno if they do or not [17:53] sounds like bug 1064743 [17:53] bug 1064743 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "flash plugin 11.2.202.243ubuntu0.10.04.1 tar.gz file missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064743 [17:53] i don't even know if mint does these days [17:55] my oneiric mint seems to have a mix [17:57] backtrack looks like an overlay repository [17:59] !info flashplugin-installer [17:59] flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 11.2.202.261ubuntu0.12.10.1 (quantal), package size 7 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) [17:59] it's multiverse [18:00] which means it isn't supported *at all* [18:00] especially not by canonical [18:00] so the "5 year support" does not apply. at all. [18:00] !info adobe-flashplugin [18:00] Package adobe-flashplugin does not exist in quantal [18:01] !info flashplugin-installer lucid [18:01] flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 11.2.202.261ubuntu0.10.04.1 (lucid), package size 20 kB, installed size 116 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) [18:02] same version [18:02] nice :/ [18:02] but notice it's in security/updates: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/flashplugin-installer [18:02] so i'm 99.99% sure this problem is caused by backtrack being a kang [18:05] i have now setup it again (newer version) and why he say and older version is available? [18:05] the flash problem is only in firefox [18:05] not in chrome [18:06] i dunno. going for dinner [18:07] DJShira_: why not just use Chrome then - solves your problem! [18:07] as i have said previously, chrome has flash already built into it, [18:07] you should read the backtrack faq especially this part http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I.27m_new_to_linux.2C_is_BackTrack_a_good_place_to_start_.3F [18:07] i have read it [18:09] but the flash works, only not in firefox. I have install the firefox from the mozilla page, intsall the flash from launchpad and yay firefox dont like it [18:12] but i have found a interessting thing in the ubuntu folders, called FLASHBLOCK [18:13] flashblock desc - Firefox extension that replaces flash plugin by a button [18:18] ok i thing i have found how i canmake it work, oh yes the backtrack site have a how to make flash work. great :D [18:20] What? - you mean backtrack has this answeredon the backtrack site?.... odd that... hmmm [18:21] yes, after long sdearch i have found it [18:21] http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Install_Flash_Player [18:24] yay haha dont work OO [18:55] coooo; [18:55] c [18:55] ignoe previous - meant for Skype [18:58] darn -my spelling was bad there... perhaps I should start installing flash ;) [19:07] Anyone here using Skype app on Ubuntu? My q/ is: how to increase font size in chats window? [19:08] [tried different "styles" in it's settings to no avail] === MonsterKiller_ is now known as MonsterKiller [20:14] moo. [21:22] does anyone get a bug with gedit where the cursor disappears when you minimise it? drives me nuts :( [21:34] how can you tell that the cursor disappears when you minimize it? [21:34] ali1234: I mean, when you bring it up again, the text cursor is gone [21:34] so you have no idea where your typing [21:35] what? [21:35] gone? [21:35] yup [21:35] hell no i never saw anything like that [21:35] and i use gedit all day every day [21:35] Step 1) Minimise gedit, Step 2) bring gedit back, Step 3) You now don't have a text cursor, enjoy frustration [21:35] that sounds like a compiz bug tbh [21:35] sounds like the firefox focus issue [21:36] where you unminimize firefox and you can't type into anything like URL bar, search bar [21:36] Maybe, I get a similar issue with nautilus too [21:36] you can click in them but there i just no cursor. the windw looks selected too [21:36] * Azelphur tries the firefox thing [21:36] nah doesn't happen with firefox, just gedit and nautilus. [21:36] to repro it in firefox i think you have to minimize it, then click a URL in some other app and cause it to unminimize [21:37] this bug has been fixed and regressed about 5 times in the past 2 years [21:37] nope still can't replicate (I used terminal to simulate clicking a link since ff isn't my default browser) [21:38] maybe soreau would know since he knows all the compiz things [21:39] does typing work? [21:39] yea typing works [21:39] and clicking to set position works [21:39] it's something different then [21:39] yea [21:40] what if you press insert [21:41] or change colour scheme [21:41] ali1234: cursor still invisible, although it still replaces characters as it should [21:41] Azelphur: Sounds possible that it's a keyboard focus issue. You can try another wm to see if it's compiz [21:42] ali1234: colour scheme doesn't fix it [21:44] Good evening peeps :) [21:55] Good evening [21:59] i just accidentally mistyped slashdot and ended up on some gambling site with this terrible bit of photoshopping http://imagebin.org/242781 [22:01] coudln't it be the other woman's arm? [22:02] i suppose it could be but i think my version is more amusing [22:03] true :) [22:12] Amusing :) [22:14] hi all === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:36] mgdm: happy b'day btw :) [23:36] Hi there.. I'm just checking wasn't the 'test' machine for The Ubuntu -TV distro supposed to be the 'Acer Revo RL70' or am I mistaken in that ??? [23:36] popey,ping [23:37] popey, ping [23:39] Come on, Nerds ... help me out here, pretty please ?? [23:40] solarcloud_3scrn: do you think that's funny? [23:44] Got it .. "what's the target hardware [23:44] ... we used an Acer Revo during development," https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing .. looks ike they just used that for dev. .. shame as I had a REVO offer for £130 +P&P (usu. £350) .. oh well. And no , don't take offence. [23:45] i'm not, i think less of you for typing it though [23:45] if it's an old Ion 1 Revo, forget it [23:45] they're old school [23:46] thought it was this one ... [23:46] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acer-Revo-RL70-320GB-4GB-AMD-Nettop-PC-Windows-7-/271138221296?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4856002109217952313%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D271137531596%26 [23:47] oh an AMD E-450 [23:47] even worse :> [23:48] why do I always feel like mypetals have torn off everytime I visit this #channel and ask a general question ??Why is that daftykins , WHY ?? [23:48] i'm not sure, are you really a flower? :D [23:49] I'm a buttercup :) [23:49] today, anyway. [23:50] heh [23:50] truthfully i don't know how that AMD benches against intel atoms [23:50] but my feeling would be that it's a glorified calculator [23:50] I had my b.day party, today .. althou my b.day was over a week ago... :) [23:52] O_O how odd [23:53] all the restaurants were shut .. so we leave it a week every year ... [23:53] coming from someone that describes themsevles as a flower, relatively not that odd [23:55] I'd love to see Ubuntu TV on the game stick :: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/872297630/gamestick-the-most-portable-tv-games-console-ever/ [23:57] although I think that slightly disrupts the Shuttle's vision :)