[05:44] Good morning Chaps. Hope everyone had a peacefull night's rest. [05:52] hiya barrydk [05:54] morning superfly and others [05:54] hi Kilos, late this morning? [05:54] :-P [05:54] yeah i been on kde but still battling with nm [05:55] only sakis3g works there grrr [05:55] tried to figure the modprobe command but whew [06:00] hi mazal [06:00] More oom [06:01] môre mazal [06:07] and with that, he disappears [06:08] hehe [06:12] mazal, wb [06:13] Something wrong with my isp today :( [06:16] mazal, you missed greeting superfly [06:17] Morning superfly , I didn't see [06:17] môre mazal [06:19] Anybody here at web africa ? [06:19] Any comments about them ? [06:21] I'm having many issues with axxess lately , thinking of moving to someone else [06:31] mazal: have you actually phoned axxess and chatted with them about the issues? [06:31] I know the answer [06:31] mazal: I've found their call centre to be quite on the ball [06:31] "we have network issues and working on it" [06:32] They have a lot of downtime recently and their speeds isn't what it used to be [06:40] mazal, find out who their CEO is and fone him [06:40] god mornings [06:40] better to make waves from the top down if you get no help at the bottom [06:40] hiya inetpro [06:40] good as well i spose hey [06:43] morning all [06:44] hiya magespawn [06:45] hiya maiatoday [06:45] hi Kilos [06:59] hi jrgns [07:00] morning Kilos, all [07:27] hi henkj theblazehen [07:27] hi Kilos [07:29] hi kilos [07:46] hiya drussel hows the cold place? [07:57] hello [07:58] hi Squirm [08:25] Kilos did my first solder fix [08:26] did it go well magespawn [08:27] or you forgotten what i told you [08:28] the secret is all in the correct temp of what you are soldering [08:28] i copy/pasted that into a test file so i while never forget [08:28] when temp right solder will flow [08:28] yes it went well [08:28] good [08:29] should leave a smooth shiny surface without points [08:31] yup [08:31] good man [08:31] am very pleased, as i used to mess it up before [08:32] you either learn fast or listen well [08:32] hehe [08:32] listen well [08:33] haha [08:33] probably get cocky now and mess the next one up [08:34] dust play with joining bits of wire or even with a single pice till you master the temp bit and when to add solder [08:35] and alsways put some solder on iron tip just before the job so its lekker shiny [08:36] kap hom vas met 'n warm spyker [08:36] hehe [08:41] yo Vince-0 [08:52] Hi! [10:00] Kilos: gaan ons reen kry vandag? [10:01] ai inetpro ek hoop regtig so [10:01] inetpro, lyk my kilos is weg maar het nou net so 50 mm gereen hier by ons [10:02] dit lyk lekker met die wind [10:02] 50mm? [10:02] dis baie [10:02] ja die druppels het so 50 mm uitmekaar geval [10:02] weerman het gese 30% kans hier vandag [10:02] lol [10:03] tot die onkruid is verlep [10:03] Nee net so los sagte buitjie maar lekker [10:05] kan miskien hael storms kry [10:05] wind is noord oos lyk my [10:09] lol @ barrydk [10:10] twit [10:10] Kilos: wat beteken dit as die wind noord oos is? [10:10] dis gewoonlik waar die hael vandaan kom [10:10] van die suid is dit net reen [10:12] nou het dit meer oos gedraai inetpro [10:13] tot hael is beter as niks [10:13] nee nee nee [10:13] hael is vol stukstof [10:13] As jou plek en goete gelyk het soos ons sin November dan soek jy nie weer hael nie :P [10:14] Janee my arme bakkie is nou nog vol knoppe [10:15] ai! [10:15] ons het die water nodig man [10:16] selfs ek verlep al hier [10:17] ek stem reen is altyd welkom [10:18] lol @ verlepte pro [10:18] inetpro, drink gou iets man [10:19] oja [10:19] dankie barrydk [10:19] haha [10:19] Maaz, coffee on [10:19] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [10:19] Maaz: coffee please [10:19] inetpro: Sure [10:23] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [10:23] ahhh [10:23] Maaz, thanks man [10:23] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [10:23] Maaz: dankie [10:23] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [10:24] 2 taled bot [10:24] * inetpro voel nou sommer stukke beter [10:24] hahaha [10:24] heh for anyone interested [10:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2sQSoA3BTg [10:24] this dude might be coming to .za [10:24] and if he does come out, he's well worth going to watch [10:25] because he's fuckin awesome [10:30] ai Symmetria we bitch at the kids for bad language here then you come do it [10:30] words like very word too [10:30] or extremely [10:32] maybe im wrong [10:35] s/word/work [11:29] What is the meaning of the /'s here [11:29] I see you guys use it a lot [11:35] mazal: it's used in vim to replace words [11:35] basically if the guys make a typo, s/(word with typo)/(the word it should be) [11:39] Ah ok , ta Squirm [11:40] mazal: it's nothing really, just a geeky representation of a typo correction :P [11:44] i dunno but it means you replace the mistake with the right word [11:44] or spelling [11:44] aw ty Squirm [11:45] sholda read all first [11:45] s/sholda/shoulda [11:45] sjoe [11:45] shouda [11:45] whatever [11:51] Kilos: there's another slash missing [11:51] should be s/sholda/shoulda/ [11:51] whew [11:51] comes from sed [11:51] man sed [11:52] no man man dont like me [11:52] looked at man modprobe for an hour [11:52] but ty for the info [11:52] lol [11:52] man is quite handy [11:52] I've used s// in vim [11:53] http://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/Find_and%20Replace_with_Sed.html [11:53] that ^^ is only one of many other places with examples [11:54] perl has the same thing [11:54] yeah [11:55] :s/foo/bar/g Change each 'foo' to 'bar' in the current line. [11:55] ok, similat [11:55] similar [11:55] it's easier to type it like that than saying, damn I made a mistake and "this" should have been "that" [11:55] in vim [11:55] inetpro: I used to use * [11:55] so [11:55] similar* [11:55] horses for sourses [11:56] courses* [11:56] mazal, you watching [11:56] sed says maak so [11:56] even is still the easiest [11:57] lol [11:57] Just the correct word and even [11:59] Sjoe that sed seems powerful [11:59] Was looking at that link now [12:16] very useful [12:22] I need to learn sed and awk [12:34] awk awk awk said the bird [12:40] awk awk awk sed the bird [12:40] @ magespawn [12:41] indeed [12:41] ai! [13:08] wat ai jy al weer inetpro ? [13:08] that was clever [13:08] Squirm, not as look as dumb he be [13:08] Kilos: guys making fun of my awk and sed [13:09] haha [13:09] hes gonna learn it man [13:09] :-) [13:12] and so will i [13:12] good boys [13:12] hey i have just been given a AMD 2GHz with 500mb of ram, i am taking nominations for the choice of os [13:13] what else [13:13] 40 gig hard drive thats about that [13:14] light os [13:14] ram min for ubuntu [13:14] indeed but which? [13:14] magespawn: to run as desktop or server? [13:15] do not mind no idea what to use it for probable end up as a server [13:16] i have more hard drive to add to it but all small 40 gig or so [13:17] you can put a few in [13:18] magespawn, you wanna play some [13:18] ? [13:18] sure [13:20] try tinycorelinux [13:20] 66m download and then it has a server already there [13:20] think i have the iso somewhere [13:21] and you can add xchat pidgin and anything else you like [13:21] * magespawn goes to look or download the new one [13:21] i like it but it didnt do 3g [13:21] until you had got the 3g nm and modem manager as well [13:23] magespawn, you want to download the coreplus iso hey [13:23] thats installable to hdd [13:24] ahh then I will have to get the new one [13:25] the 12m one isnt installable [13:25] http://tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html [13:25] if you dont see it there look at [13:25] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Tiny-Core-Linux-4-2-Introduces-Tiny-Core-Plus-242880.shtml [13:28] thats actually what got me started with connecting 2 pcs to share 3g [13:29] now ive forgotten about tiny [13:29] sigh [13:31] busy getting it ty Kilos [13:31] np [13:41] its kinda different magespawn but nice once you figure it out [13:42] there are user guides or something as well [13:42] and they on irc [13:43] cool going to try it now [13:43] i still have it here somewhere on a 1g drive [13:43] hehe [14:24] gotta go see you all later [14:41] Squirm, not as look as dumb he be [14:41] * Squirm looks at Kilos [14:41] you though I looked dumb? [14:42] no man twit its just a saying [14:43] with a Kilos twist to it, of course [14:43] haha we used to speak like that i dunno when [14:43] how be you be [14:43] i be kiff be [14:43] etc [14:44] maybe ian will know [14:44] and hence not as look as dumb one bee's [15:37] inetpro, go home [15:37] hi zeref [15:44] lol [15:44] * Squirm thinks back to our conversation of education this afternoon [15:47] and? [15:47] haha [15:48] about educated people using proper language [15:48] :) [15:49] hahaha [15:58] hi Kilos [15:59] yo Cantide [15:59] hello :) [16:01] i must really start learning the smiley thing [16:01] :) [16:01] :-)> [16:07] '-' [16:08] o.O [16:08] hehe [16:09] too much hard work looking for them [16:14] i just type them 'ㅂ' [16:14] lol [16:19] toods maia [16:21] Kilos: hoekom? [16:23] want dis tyd [16:23] soek jy weer my epos addy [16:24] Kilos: ai! [16:25] lol [16:25] hoe lekker lag ek nou [16:34] hi Vince-0 theblazehen :) [16:35] hi [16:39] Kilos: ek het gehoop jy sê die reen is op pad [16:40] dit het hier gedrip net nou inetpro .5 mm [16:40] nice! [16:40] net bietjie afgekoel [16:40] gedrip of gedrup? [16:40] hi Mezenir [16:41] drup drup drup [16:42] lol [16:45] hi kilos and others [16:45] hi [16:45] hi digigram [16:45] this bloody parrot [16:45] :/ [16:45] my new neighbour has a parrot [16:45] lol you got one too Squirm [16:45] it doesn't stop talking [16:45] lol [16:45] in this high pitched voice [16:46] we got an african grey that never shuts up till its cage is covered at night [16:46] i had a flatmate with a parrot [16:46] kept imitating the door bell [16:46] I was house sitting one weekend. I was sitting there at about 10pm watching TV and all I here is this "sowubona" [16:47] well I got a bit of a fright [16:47] peeked out the window, opened the door- nothing [16:47] this one does fone ring tones and adida noises and calls the one dog and more [16:47] realised it was the african grey [16:47] hahaha they talk well hey [16:48] bark like digs and all kinds off things [16:48] I've never heard a dig bark [16:48] I've never heard of a dig either [16:48] whistles that bridge over the river kwaai tune [16:48] lol dog man [16:48] :P [16:49] s/dig/dog/ [16:49] Kilos: nee [16:49] s/dig/dog/g [16:50] ai! [16:50] that replaces all instances [16:50] in other words globally [16:50] :-) [16:50] inetpro> should be s/sholda/shoulda/ [16:50] lol [16:50] where the extra g comes from now [16:51] oh my [16:51] g = global [16:51] so it would replace all the mispelt words [16:52] * Squirm tries Dota 2 on wine [16:55] what old dos games are worth playing? i see they got DOSBox Is Project of the Month at sourceforge [16:55] don't think I've played any dos games [16:55] games only came alive after windows didnt they [16:56] ooh, Steam started [16:58] i played my fair share of dos games [16:58] crusader no regret [16:58] aptitude install bsdgames [16:58] warcraft 1 [16:59] prince of persia [16:59] the memories [16:59] i gotta go eat [16:59] curry made by yours truly [16:59] bsdgames includes: adventure, arithmetic, atc, backgammon, battlestar, bcd, boggle, caesar, canfield, countmail, cribbage, dab, go-fish, gomoku, hack, hangman, hunt, mille, monop, morse, number, pig, phantasia, pom, ppt, primes, quiz, random, rain, robots, rot13, sail, snake, tetris, trek, wargames, worm, worms, wump, wtf [17:00] all on the cli [17:07] google's search has really gone backwards for me [17:08] rather than getting technical documentation I get books and useless other results these days [17:17] mmm [17:17] i know google has a /linux page [17:18] probably something similar for technical searches [17:18] to refine it [17:18] might help [17:19] wait [17:19] i just googled it [17:19] and it no longer exists :P [17:19] my bad [17:20] "These services were established many years ago to offer search across a limited index of the Web, which in the past was a better way to find this information. For example, google.com/linux was designed to help people find information from message boards and blogs about the Linux operating system," Google explained. [17:20] "Today, search quality has advanced tremendously, and based on our analysis we've found that in most cases you're better off looking for this kind of specialized information using the regular Google search box, for example by typing [linux fedora upgrade]," the company said. [17:45] * inetpro found his problem [17:46] was the default firefox search engine [17:46] was pointing to south african searches [17:47] i get that when i try go google.com. opera keeps wanting to show google.co.za [17:47] stupid thing [17:59] Kilos: actually easy to fix when you know about it [18:00] how did you "know" about it? [18:00] I'm not sure whether it was changed with a firefox upgrade but I thought I had fixed it before [18:01] oh maybe opera too with last upgrade [18:01] easy to spot in firefox when you look at the search box [18:01] oh my [18:01] click on the dropdown and choose your search engine of choice [18:02] south african search is almost never what I want there [18:02] Deloitte predicts that over 90% of user-generated passwords, even those considered strong by IT departments, will be vulnerable to hacking. [18:03] for one, it's cracking [18:03] :p [18:03] Squirm: they want to make money again? [18:03] Squirm: and I agree [18:03] with you about the cracking, that is [18:04] 90% is a very high figure [18:04] it is [18:04] all windows peeps call peeps hackers [18:04] they dunno what crackers are [18:04] hackers and crackers are different [18:04] think its something you feed the parrot [18:05] crackers are bad guys right? [18:05] every second person with some IT knowledge could probably find a program that would crack passwords [18:05] Kilos: crackers force themselves into system, say by means of something like brute force [18:06] a hacker finds loopholes in certain programs and uses them to his advantage [18:06] Squirm: oh and 90% of facebook account passwords are probably the same as the corporate aacount password [18:06] so I'd say technically speaking a hacker isn't necessarily bad [18:06] inetpro: crack into Facebook and coila [18:06] voila [18:07] hackers are also guys that fix sortwåre programs right? [18:07] inetpro: 90% of people would use the same password for everything [18:07] actually, I'd raise that to 99.9% [18:07] or twitter or linked in or linked out, etc [18:07] Kilos: a hacker will find the vulnerability of software [18:08] so the bad guys are hackers or crackers? [18:08] * inetpro is a hacker [18:08] both [18:08] eeek [18:08] Kilos: the crackers are typically the bad guys [18:09] yeah [18:09] thats what i thought inetpro [18:09] but there are even more than just that [18:09] but then you also get the penetration testers, I guess the wrong word that people use, "ethical hacker" [18:09] white-hat hackers? [18:10] or that [18:11] White hat, Black hat, Grey hat, Elite hacker, Script kiddie, Neophyte, Blue hat, Hacktivist, etc [18:11] inetpro, doesn wear a hat [18:11] s/doesn/doesnt/g [18:11] hehe [18:12] Gandalf is a grey hat hacker? [18:12] * Cantide hides [18:12] and Saruman a white hat? seems like Tolkien got it wrong.. [18:13] lol [18:13] I guess he find vulnerabilities in the fabric of the earth [18:13] :p [18:13] i enjoyed tham movies [18:13] them [18:13] those* [18:14] I was forced into watching them about 2 months back [18:14] ended up that they weren't that bad [18:15] 13min till new himym :) [18:18] inetpro, looks like my prob was ram needing reseating [18:18] no reboots today [18:18] remind me to thank the monkey please [18:19] Kilos: ask maaz to tell him [18:19] oh ya ty [18:19]