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RAOFWhy are all mail clients so crap?02:29
TheMusoTheres always mutt...02:30
TheMuso"All mail clients suck, this one just sucks less." :)02:30
sarnold:)02:33
jbichais robert_ancell working this week?02:37
TheMusoI thought I saw him online yesterday, but not 100% sure, so don't know whats going on.02:42
RAOFHe was here this morning.02:42
jbichapitti: do you know what needs fixing for bug 1086369 ?05:51
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1086369 in alacarte (Ubuntu) "alacarte crashed with ImportError in /usr/share/alacarte/Alacarte/util.py : cannot import name GError" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108636905:51
pittiGood morning06:08
pittijbicha: yes, I do; I followed up on the bug06:10
jbichathanks06:17
ricotzSweetsha1k, :\06:55
pittiLaney: should we upload glib 2.35 to -proposed now? I'll ask the release team to block it from migration until at least all the autopkgtests succeed07:29
Laneypitti: Even given the segfault?09:03
LaneyDo you need that version for some reason?09:03
Laneyperhaps we could revert the commit in question09:04
pittiLaney: it blocks updating gobject-introspection and gvfs, both of which I got signed up for09:04
pittiand we agreed to update at least glib, d-conf, and the introspection stuff to GNOME 3.809:04
pittiI'm a bit worried of intorducing glib 2.35.x too late09:04
Laneyyeah, I agree with updating it09:05
Laneybut I am very wary given that we know of this bug09:05
pittiLaney: reverting the bad commit sounds fine for me09:05
pittiyeah, true09:05
Laneyok, lets try reverting it09:05
pittiI made another commit to svn to drop the 92_revert_appinfo* patch09:05
pittiah, but I forgot another build-dep, will commit now09:06
pittiah no, desktop-file-utils is already there, nevermind09:07
pittiLaney: do you know the commit that needs reverting?09:08
Laneypitti: not yet, but https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690118#c7 is the clue09:09
ubot2`Gnome bug 690118 in general "Crash when closing last tab of a window using Ctrl-w" [Normal,New]09:09
Laneythat's on 2012-10-0909:10
pittiLaney: oh, in comment 11?09:15
pittiLaney: I'll try a build with reverting this one and check09:15
Laneycomment 709:16
Laneyah, 11 shows it too09:16
Laneythere are a couple more related commits09:16
Laneybut maybe they can stay09:16
pittihm, when I run gedit in jhbuild it doesn't even crash; trying again09:19
Laney.09:19
pittiah, it does now; race condition09:19
pittiin jhbuild it's a lot faster to revert/try/etc; doing now09:19
ricotzpitti, Laney, hi, be aware of deadlocks with eglibc 2.16 which should be solved with 2.1709:23
pittiricotz: with glib 2.35?09:23
ricotzpitti, yes09:23
ricotzdue the GTask introduction09:23
pittiI didn't get a deadlock yet, but I've only run it since yesterday; do you have some details/bug for this?09:24
ricotzmight be only hitting its actual consumers09:24
ricotzpitti, try to run some gstreamer apps09:24
pittiah, maybe; we still by and large have GNOME 3.609:24
pittiricotz: oh, I'm getting tons of hangs with totem09:24
ricotzyes09:25
pittibut they happen with glib 2.34, too09:25
pittiever since we moved to gst 1.0, I think09:25
pittiwith RB as well09:25
LaneyI get loads of hangs with pretty much any audio app on my 2.34 system09:25
pittiespecially when trying to seek09:25
ricotzhmm, i see09:25
ricotzalright, bbl09:26
pittiLaney: reverting a36028f386708bb10d seems to do the trick; I tried 5 times in a row09:27
* pitti commits that to SVN09:27
Laneygreat09:27
Laneyfeel free to upload to proposed then09:27
LaneyI can take care of the block09:27
pittigreat09:27
pittiLaney: uploaded09:36
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:36
Laney& blocked09:40
czajkowskiLaney: is a helicopter in your way ?09:44
mitya57pitti: hi, I've noticed a small error in one of your recent pygobject commits:09:47
mitya57http://paste.ubuntu.com/1537089/09:47
mitya57(untested)09:47
pittimitya57: oh, thank you09:47
Laneyczajkowski: that's quite sad news :-/09:47
Laneydid it affect you?09:48
czajkowskiLaney: nope was gonna go to London today, but not after seeing that it will be crazy up there09:48
pittimitya57: pushed09:48
mitya57thanks pitti!09:48
pittithanks to you!09:48
czajkowskiLaney: I live down in Aldershot now moved from London there before Christmas but over at my other halfs place in Guildford.09:49
Laneymmm, thought you might have gone into the office09:51
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czajkowskiLaney: usually do once a fortnight but I try and tie it in with my physio and not having it this week09:56
Sweetsha1kpitti: do you have a minute maybe?10:28
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pittiSweetshark: hey, was gibts?10:28
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chrisccoulsonbrrrrrr, i might have to put a jumper on11:12
czajkowskichrisccoulson: and stick the kettle on and have a bucket of tea11:25
pittiLaney: ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.35.4-0ubuntu2 looks good now; crossing fingers11:25
chrisccoulsonoh, i've got coffee already ;)11:25
Laneypitti: yay11:25
Laneyhm, does anyone happen to know what the 'usb' seed is for?11:28
pittiLaney: yes11:29
pittiLaney: that was the successor of the "dvd" seed11:29
Laneydo we build an image for it any more?11:29
pittiwhen we reduced it to an 1 GB (or so) image, while we didn't want to ditch DVDs yet11:29
pittiLaney: I don't think so, but perhaps triple-check with the cdimage host's crontab and cjwatson?11:30
Laneyyeah11:30
LaneyI was just wondering why pitivi was being kept in main and it seemed like that was the explanation11:30
pittiwe now just have one image, "the" iso in daily-live/, right?11:30
Laneyindeed11:30
pittino alternate, no usb, no DVD11:30
pittiyeah, I expect quite a bunch of stuff to fall out once we clean up teh seeds11:31
pittiTask: ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-usb11:31
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tjaaltonanyone objects removing gpointing-device-settings from raring? it seems abandoned upstream, orphaned in debian and doesn't build (needs porting to work with current g-s-d, I think)13:11
Laneyis there any point keeping it in debian too, then?13:12
tjaaltonprobably not13:13
tjaaltonlooks like unapplying one patch made it build again, but whatever13:16
Laneyif it's still useful for people we should keep it13:16
tjaaltonok13:18
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jibelmterry, hey, autopkgtest of deja-dup failed https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-deja-dup/59/16:25
jibelit used to pass until today16:25
mterryhuh16:26
mterryjibel, thanks16:26
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pittiLaney: rad! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.35.4-0ubuntu216:53
Laneyoh, even armhf :-)16:54
pittiyeah, that's the one I was waiting for16:54
pittinow gobject-introspection needs to build on armhf16:54
pitti(it was depwaiting)16:54
pittipoppler, gdk-pixbuf etc. autopkgtests are happy again16:54
pittithe only remaining fallout is the deja-dup autopkgtest which stumbles over g_type_init16:55
pittithat's something for tomorrow, need to run now16:55
mterrypitti, is that what the deja-dup failure is?  I hadn't looked at it, but yeah the timing makes sense17:03
cyphermoxbrb, lunch17:03
pittimterry: yes, indeed17:06
mterryhmm, that code is generated by valac.  I wonder if the latest valac skips that17:06
mterryOh but this is autopkgtest, so it would be compiling fresh17:07
mterryThe autopkgtest error log does not look intelligible.  I'm glad you know what "unable to remove uninstalled invalidation notifier" means, pitti.  :)17:09
pittimterry: oh, is it that? I thought it was g_type_init17:09
desrthey...17:09
desrtwe're starting to get .la files in /usr/lib again17:09
desrtanyone know what's up with that?17:09
pittimterry: so, that's fallout from the signal patch we reverted that causes crashes17:10
pittimterry: gnome bug 69011817:11
ubot2`Gnome bug 690118 in general "Crash when closing last tab of a window using Ctrl-w" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69011817:11
pittimterry: I reverted http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=a36028f386708bb until that is fixed, as it's probably the lesser evil17:11
pittireally need to run now, good night!17:11
desrtseb128: this uimanager crash is the only thing stopping you from taking the new glib, hm?17:19
seb128desrt, hey, afaik yes17:20
desrtk.17:20
seb128Laney, ^ was there any other issue?17:20
desrtget a chance to go to jeffrey's yet, btw? :)17:20
Laneyseb128: no, just that, but note that pitti uploaded it today reverting one commit17:20
Laneywhich might not be enough if you read the ^^^ conversation about deja-dup17:21
seb128desrt, not yet, still on my list17:21
seb128Laney, oh, cool ... will read the backlog on irclogs.u.c, I don't have a proxy to IRC and just started my client17:21
Laneyah, well it's just the jenkins autopkgtest failure17:21
Laneyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-adt-deja-dup/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/59/console17:22
mterryYeah, I believe that's the warning it spits out that is causing the gtest to fail17:22
mterrySince IIRC, gtest fails when there is stderr output17:22
desrtmterry: s/stderr/g_message/17:23
mterrydesrt, ah17:23
mterryfor WARNING or CRITICAL I suppose17:23
* mterry assumes this is not something to be worked around on the deja-dup side, so will let ya'll figure out the best glib-side fix17:24
desrtmterry: and error, of course17:25
desrtwhat's the issue?17:25
desrtg_type_init() should not be issuing any g_warning() output17:26
mterrydesrt, it is the the "unable to remove uninstalled invalidation notifier" message failing the deja-dup test suite17:26
mterrydesrt, in autopkgtest, which is holding up (rightly) the glib landing17:27
desrtthat's something different, i think17:27
mterrydesrt, that's something to do with https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690118 eh?17:27
ubot2`Gnome bug 690118 in general "Crash when closing last tab of a window using Ctrl-w" [Normal,New]17:27
desrtsort of yes17:27
desrtthe actual bug is much older.  10+ years17:27
desrtit has a 5 digit number.  let me dig it out17:27
desrtah.  6 digit number, but starts with 1... :)  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11853617:28
ubot2`Gnome bug 118536 in gobject "Make g_signal_connect_object'ed handlers disconnect when the data object is destroyed" [Major,Resolved: fixed]17:28
mterrydesrt, is deja-dup misusing glib in a way that is just now being exposed, or is this a glib-side bug that is just now being exposed as a warning?17:28
desrtmterry: i'm trying to determine that today17:29
mterrydesrt, ah OK  :)17:29
Laneylet me find the commit that pitti reverted earlier17:29
Laneyhttp://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/glib2.0/debian/patches/08_revert_closure_invalidation.patch?view=markup17:30
desrtpitti: so gedit does this: $PYTHON -c "import gi; print(gi._overridesdir)"17:36
desrtto decide where to install some files17:36
desrtthis ends up pointing into /usr even if --prefix is given17:37
desrti assume that there is some environment variable that could be used to specify additional override directories.... is there a way to get the full list and/or pick the last one instead of the first?17:37
robert_ancellRAOF, any opposition to shipping the latest colord in raring?17:59
mptmterry, for bug 1100405, would it be easier to tell whether updates have ever been installed on the system, than to tell whether any user on the system has run update-manager?18:15
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1100405 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Always says "...since Ubuntu 12.10 was released" in a guest session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110040518:15
mterrympt, probably yeah18:17
mptmterry, ok, spec updated. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=diff&rev2=99&rev1=98>18:20
mterrympt, cool18:23
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