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* stgraber waves16:03
slangasek[TOPIC] lightning round16:03
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slangasek$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu)16:04
slangasekbdmurray stokachu stgraber xnox jodh doko barry slangasek cjwatson ev ogra16:04
slangasekbdmurray: you're on :)16:04
bdmurrayrolled out errors branch allowing for source package searching16:04
bdmurraypushed errors branch fixing issue with width of the frequency bar16:04
bdmurraypushed daisy branch creating a counter for release:src_package to facilitate regression detection16:04
bdmurraydiscussion with evan regarding error tracker and phased updates16:04
bdmurrayupdated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/PhasedUpdates16:04
bdmurraytested team view change to errors in canonistack16:05
bdmurraysubmitted an RT to have webstats for errors.ubuntu.com16:05
bdmurraydiscovered, researched and reported bug 1098250 regarding suspendresume crashes16:05
ubottubug 1098250 in Apport "unable to send suspend resume crash from raring" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109825016:05
bdmurrayinvestigation into inability to report distribution upgrade crashes from quantal to raring16:05
bdmurraycreated a test case for bug 1077253 regarding apport16:05
bdmurrayubuntu-release-upgrader branch fixing bugs 1072828, 1068874, 1093697, 1098001, 106754216:05
ubottubug 1077253 in apport (Ubuntu Quantal) "possible for ExecutableTimestamp to not be for the binary in ExecutablePath" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107725316:05
bdmurrayverification of Q SRU for aptdaemon bug 106050516:05
ubottubug 1072828 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "[REGRESSION] release upgrader tool became untranslated" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107282816:05
bdmurrayuploaded P,Q SRU for aptdaemon bug 107854416:05
ubottubug 1067542 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "possible for some do-release-upgrade crashes to be unreportable" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106754216:05
bdmurrayuploaded udev to R and a P SRU for bug 109927816:05
bdmurrayresolved an issue with arsenal not completely removing bug tasks16:05
ubottubug 1093697 in Ubuntu Translations "check-new-release-gtk appears untranslated" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109369716:05
ubottubug 1068874 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "does not need to enable apport" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106887416:05
ubottubug 1098001 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "DistUpgradeController calls apport with a source package as an argument" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109800116:05
ubottubug 1060505 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Quantal) "Google Chrome is a "package of bad quality"" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106050516:05
ubottubug 1078544 in aptdaemon (Debian) "python-aptdaemon: upgrading marks auto-installed packages as manual" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107854416:05
ubottubug 1099278 in udev (Ubuntu Precise) "Network devices with a MAC with prefix 2c:c2:60 should not be have a persistent rule" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109927816:05
bdmurray⌁ done ⌁16:05
stokachu_- Working on a lot of internal SEG projects this month, nothing public facing to report this week. done.16:06
stgraber - Upstart (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements)16:06
stgraber  - Working on the session socket code, going through reviews/fixes cycles now.16:06
stgraber  - Poking at a libnih bug preventing the upstart-event-bridge from working as a user.16:06
stgraber  - Talks on shutdown/reboot/logout sequence.16:06
stgraber - Container (BLUEPRINT: servercloud-r-lxc)16:06
stgraber  - Code reviews.16:06
stgraber  - LXC upstream now supports user namespaces.16:06
stgraber  - Ported libcap to bionic, got LXC to build agsinst it.16:06
stgraber  - Re-implemented utmpx.h within LXC when building with bionic.16:06
stgraber - Other16:06
stgraber  - Tracked down a cups-browsed bug causing a lot of upstart job respawns when avahi isn't enabled.16:06
stgraber  - Some follow-up on a weird biosdevname issue.16:06
stgraber  - Upgraded to a 3.8 kernel, helped track down a regression on ThinkPad x230/t430, fix sent upstream by Seth.16:07
stgraber  - Helped Serge track down my weird mount/loop device bug (loop devices aren't freeed under weird conditions).16:07
stgraber  - Got some new monitors with fancy DisplayPort chaining, so I've been fixing a few gnome-control-center bugs and helping debug kernel bugs.16:07
stgraber - Networking (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-networking)16:07
stgraber  - Some e-mails/bug activity on isc-dhcp-server-ldap not actually having LDAP support in 4.2.16:07
stgraber - TODO16:07
stgraber  - Go through the isc-dhcp and resolvconf bugs.16:07
stgraber  - Try to apply redhat's fiberchannel patchset to our isc-dhcp.16:07
stgraber(DONE)16:07
xnox* usb-creator-fastboot:16:07
xnox - made fastboot work to flash nexus7 images without sudo16:07
xnox - made usbcreator to pop-up when nexus7 is plugged in (in a branch)16:07
xnox - todo fastboot backend (reusing recipes from nexus7-installer)16:07
xnox* lp:~xnox/upstart/user-log-dir16:07
xnox - user upstart logging, work in progress (some review comments to address)16:07
xnox* patch pilot tuesday (report sent)16:07
xnox* unbreak devscripts, usb-creator16:08
xnox* upload ubiquity and minor merges (dmraid, pyxdg)16:08
xnox* discussed with server team that we want to keep clustered lvm16:08
xnox  support (dropped in debian)16:08
xnox..16:08
jodh- Blueprint:16:08
jodh  - Upstart setenv+getenv MP raised. Working on '--global' option. Further16:08
jodh    feedback appreciated:16:08
jodh    https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/setenv+getenv/+merge/14293916:08
jodh  - Reviewed lp:~xnox/upstart/user-log-dir.16:08
jodh  - Reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-session-socket.16:08
jodh  - Added Shutdown details to Enhanced Sessions Spec - awaiting feedback:16:08
jodh    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions#Shutdown_Details16:08
jodh  - Started work on preliminary shutdown code.16:08
jodh- SRU:16:08
jodh  - Investigating ARM build failure for SRU bug 980917.16:08
ubottubug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job [SRU]" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98091716:08
jodh- Other:16:08
jodh  - Investigating a customer issue.16:08
jodh  - Investigated ureadahead bug 108576616:08
jodh  - Fixed bug 1096531 - awaiting feedback:16:08
ubottubug 1085766 in ureadahead (Ubuntu) "/var/log/upstart/ureadahead.log contains garbage" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108576616:08
jodh    https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1096531/+merge/14331416:08
ubottubug 1096531 in upstart (Ubuntu) "After touch /forcefsck and reboot: Assertion failed in log_clear_unflushed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109653116:08
jodh🀟16:09
jodh 16:09
doko- OpenJDK 7 security update16:09
doko- get creduce built and packaged, using it to scale down preprocessed source files16:09
doko- got multiarch patches into the 4.6 and 4.7 gcc branches16:09
doko- GCC 4.8 update16:09
doko- buildd baby sitting16:09
doko- merged remaining GCC bits from the cross toolchains back into GCC16:09
doko- updated the armhf, arm64 and powerpc cross compilers16:09
doko(done)16:09
barryoneconf: re-enable py2 support and bug 1088536; also enabled autopkgtests. ported lazr.config to py3; released lazr.config, lazr.delegates, lazr.smtptest.  looked into bug 1097783.  python security issues.  distribute bug #349 (crash on setup.py with BOM).  done.16:10
ubottubug 1088536 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "Updating packaging for Python 3" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108853616:10
ubottubug 1097783 in genshi (Ubuntu) "re module apis return longs now" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109778316:10
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 349 could not be found16:10
cjwatsonjodh: ARM> yeah, I've been retrying it from time to time, to no avail :-/16:13
evGeez! Hurry up, slangasek. I want to make a tea.16:13
slangasekev: :P16:14
ogra_just make a strong tea then :)16:14
slangasek * travel last week through Wednesday, then was out sick over the weekend + Monday with the flu, so little to report16:15
slangasek * have been working to help the Kylin team get oriented so they can meet alpha2 for 13.0416:15
slangasek * recovery mode has regressed due to the recent mountall SRU, so working on fixing that (bug #1099349)16:15
ubottubug 1099349 in mountall (Ubuntu Quantal) "mountall 2.36.3 hangs in recovery-menu (lvm; mountall 2.36 has no issue)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109934916:15
slangasek(done)16:15
cjwatsonBuild fixes: pyparted (with Tim), sivp, gnumeric16:16
cjwatson12.04.2: Switched to X enablement stack for relevant images; cleaned up various associated issues due to having to use metapackages.16:16
cjwatsonPhased updates: Reviewed spec and discussed with ev/bdmurray/wgrant; fixed up some glitches in update-manager; started on Launchpad implementation.16:16
cjwatsonCross-building: Further work on backporting architecture qualifier support to Debian buildds; met up with Wookey for status check.16:16
cjwatsonContinued work on removing nested functions from GRUB.16:16
cjwatsonHard thinking about the situation where the language and location selected during installation don't identify a valid locale (bug 1094872).16:16
ubottubug 1094872 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "Installation information cause letter format instead of DIN A4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109487216:16
cjwatsonLooking at entropy pool issues at first boot (bug 1098299).16:16
ubottubug 1098299 in installation-report (Ubuntu) "entropy pool should be seeded earlier in boot process" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109829916:16
cjwatson..16:16
ev- Continued work on the prodstack error tracker deployment.16:17
ev  - I've moved my testing over to EC2 from canonistack. Between the resource16:17
ev    limits (I couldn't spawn 15+ instances) and frequently getting instances in16:17
ev    the error state, canonistack was really slowing me down.16:17
ev    We need to fix this though. EC2 is expensive ($15 for two days usage), and16:17
ev    the error tracker infrastructure now cannot fit on canonistack without16:17
ev    modifying people's resource limits, which hinders our ability to test and16:17
ev    on-ramp developers.16:17
ev  - Fixing bugs in charms along the way. Pushed one fix to jjo for Cassandra,16:17
ev    and filed bug 1099917 for the other.16:17
ev  - Fixed bug 1100245 in juju with https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/juju/fix-1100245/+merge/14348316:17
ev  - A few bugs to iron out, but we're close. Webops is supposed to be picking16:17
ev    this up and throwing it at stagingstack, but they're firefighting.16:17
ubottubug 1099917 in cassandra (Juju Charms Collection) "Cassandra charm changes cluster name incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109991716:17
ev- Code review for Brian. Discussions on the implementation of phased updates.16:17
ubottubug 1100245 in juju "exceptions.UnboundLocalError: local variable 'settings' referenced before assignment" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110024516:17
ogra_done ?16:18
slangasekhe paused for breath16:18
ogra_doesnt sound like breath :)16:18
ogra_more like chatting :P16:19
jodhcjwatson: thanks :) We have fixed the issue in newer releases so I'll cherry-pick the relevant bits and make a .2 release for precise.16:20
ev- Code review for Brian. Discussions on the implementation of phased updates.16:20
ev- Started implementing "silent error types" after discussion with Martin:16:20
ev  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#error16:20
ev(DONE)16:20
ogra_done:16:20
ogra_ * started fiddling with porting the nx7 images to xz compression16:20
ogra_ * looked into porting update-notifier to pkexec (then only xdiagnose will keep gksu on the cd)16:20
ogra_ * started on fiddling with tegra3 gstreamer codecs, seems there is half a community port to gst 1.0 already16:20
ogra_todo:16:20
ogra_ * discuss livefs builder situation with infinity (carried over from last week)16:20
ogra_ * fix plymouth vs console-setup racing somehow (likely needs cjwatson advice) to allow initrd-less booting16:20
ogra_..16:20
slangasekcool16:21
slangasek[TOPIC] Bugs16:21
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs
slangasekbdmurray?16:21
bdmurraybug 1093819 looks interesting16:22
ubottubug 1093819 in Wubi "Wubi installed 12.10 amd64 without configuring i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109381916:22
bdmurrayI have not tested it myself though16:23
slangasekcjwatson: any idea about that one?  where are we running dpkg --add-architecture now?16:23
cjwatsonapt-setup16:24
cjwatsongenerators/01setup16:24
cjwatsoncontrolled by apt-setup/multiarch preseeding, which defaults to "i386" on amd64 and empty on all other arches16:25
slangasekis it possible preseeding isn't working right under wubi?16:25
cjwatsondon't see wubi preseeding that16:25
xnoxand there is dpkg maint script to add i386.16:25
slangasekah16:25
cjwatsonslangasek: it would have to be actively preseeding it *off*16:25
cjwatsonshould be easy to look in the preinstalled image and check, I guess16:26
cjwatsonoh yes, of course, preinstalled image so it might not run apt-setup16:26
* cjwatson forgets the exact details of the new setup - ev?16:26
cjwatsoneven so, dpkg.postinst should take care of it16:26
evoh hi16:27
evit's been a while for me too :), but:16:27
evcompressed disk image unpacked, then small initramfs tomfoolery16:28
evfor initial setup16:28
cjwatsonhow much of ubiquity does it go through, if anyy?16:29
cjwatson*any16:29
evnone16:29
cjwatsonok, so it's purely about the preinstalled image16:29
evlupin -> scripts/local-bottom/lupin_setup16:30
* cjwatson peers at cdimage16:30
cjwatsonoh great, it's a tar of a root.disk so I can't easily inspect it locally ...16:30
* ev whistles16:30
evhey man, I just make the tea around this place. Any name you find in bzr blame that looks similar to mine is purely coincidental.16:31
cjwatsonso, er, somebody with vaguely fast networking might like to download/unpack/loop-mount http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-12.10-wubi-amd64.tar.xz and see what its dpkg metadata looks like16:31
bdmurrayso then an automatic upgrade test is failing in bug 109602216:32
ubottubug 1096022 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" during lucid->precise universe upgrade of amd64" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109602216:32
slangasekbdmurray: can you follow up on that download/unpack/loop-mount after the meeting, then?16:33
bdmurrayslangasek: yes, downloading now16:33
slangasekcool16:34
slangasekbdmurray: hum, so this is a *new* upgrade failure in the jenkins autotester?16:34
bdmurrayslangasek: that's the impression I got16:34
slangasekdo we know what date it started happening?  Maybe we can trace it to a particular SRU's publication16:35
bdmurrayhrm, actually it looks intermittent16:35
bdmurrayhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/view/Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-universe/ARCH=amd64,LTS=lts,PROFILE=universe,label=upgrade-test/16:35
slangasekoh, well then :P16:36
bdmurrayOkay, I'll look at that in more depth.16:36
bdmurrayWho could I talk to about understanding the pkgProblemResolver logs though?16:37
* slangasek raises his hand16:37
bdmurraygreat16:37
bdmurraysomebody in my timezone even!16:37
bdmurrayI ran across bug 1077551 again and it seems worrisome to me16:38
ubottubug 1077551 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installing Machinarium removes the desktop" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107755116:38
slangaseksomething's strange about that jenkins build, though; why is Dec 27, 2012 the oldest run of the job?16:39
slangasekdid we lose history?16:39
bdmurraythere was a comment from glatzor regarding 'We already don't allow to remove "essential" packages by using aptdaemon, e.g ubuntu-minimal. Perhaps we should add some more to the list (e.g. unity or even ubuntu-desktop)?'16:39
slangasekI'm not sure that's something that should be a policy in aptdaemon16:41
slangasekupdate-manager has that kind of policy, and maybe software-center should too16:41
bdmurrayso I'll follow up with the software center team then?16:43
slangaseksounds good to me16:45
bdmurraythen looking at errors.ubuntu.com this has a high instance count16:46
bdmurrayhttps://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Flsb_release%3AIOError%3A%3Cmodule%3E%3Amain%3Acheck_modules_installed%3Agetoutput%3Agetstatusoutput16:46
ogra_err, what ?16:47
* ogra_ gets a weird bluescreen here16:48
bdmurrayhmm the instance I looked at has a ProcCmdline of /usr/bin/python -Es /usr/bin/lsb_release -a16:48
ogra_clicking it gets me to http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail118.html16:48
ogra_ev, is that on purpose or some bad joke i dont understand ?16:50
slangasekbdmurray: very strange; why would we start seeing failures from lsb_release in 12.04, 9 months after release?16:50
evit means there's an error in the code16:50
evand it's not a bad joke! :)16:50
bdmurrayogra_: it could be a great joke you don't understand.16:50
evyeah!16:50
ogra_well, i got from the SSO page directly to that bluescreenish page16:50
ogra_pretty scary16:50
ogra_telling me i have a virus16:51
cjwatsonin the past I've seen failures from lsb_release which were due to people building derivatives and misconfiguring /etc/lsb-release16:51
evyup, digging at your error now16:51
cjwatsonnot sure that fits this case though16:51
barryi just get an sso page loop16:51
ogra_i get that when i try it in a second tab16:51
jodhbarry: I did too until I clicked all the checkboxes :)16:52
evyeah, you need to send your team16:52
evI have a branch that makes this a bit more clear16:52
evogra_: could you try again?16:52
evjust trying to figure out which error is yours16:52
* barry goes click-n-clack16:52
ogra_ev, works now16:52
evdamn, though it looks like it's unicode fun16:53
cjwatsonand ECHILD is just a bizarre thing to happen there16:53
cjwatsonthat kind of looks like "somebody else reaped my child process before I could"16:53
jodhbdmurray: btw - have you seen bug 1100198?16:54
ubottubug 1100198 in apport (Ubuntu) "source_linux.py logic fails to detect 3.8.0-0-generic as an Ubuntu kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110019816:54
bdmurrayjodh: no, I'll have a look16:54
slangasekbdmurray: do you want to open a bug report for the lsb_release crash, and we can add it to the stack?  It doesn't look urgent16:57
bdmurrayslangasek: sounds good16:58
slangasekanything else?16:58
bdmurraythere might have an apport sru that changed this16:58
slangasekhmm16:58
bdmurrayanyway, that is all16:59
slangasekok16:59
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB16:59
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB
slangasekanything else else?16:59
cjwatsonI was wondering about an idea for the build-dep-substitution problem in cross-builds17:00
cjwatson(e.g. that when you see Build-Depends: gcc-4.6, you probably actually want Build-Depends: gcc-4.6:native, gcc-4.6-$HOST_TRIPLET)17:00
cjwatsonWhat would people (esp. doko, infinity) think about a scheme whereby packages that need this kind of substitution done have some field in their package metadata (Cross-Available: yes or something) to say so?17:01
cjwatsonIt would beat writing a big list into sbuild and dpkg-checkbuilddeps, having to look at the apt cache in dpkg-checkbuilddeps, or any of the other heuristics I've been able to think of17:01
slangasekcjwatson: maybe we can take that to #ubuntu-devel for follow-up?17:02
slangaseksorry, I'm being pulled into meetings for the client sprint :)17:03
cjwatsonFair enough, or I might just take it to debian-devel since I believe there's an appropriate thread there at the moment17:03
slangasekok17:03
slangasek#endmeeting17:03
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Jan 16 17:03:39 2013 UTC.17:03
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slangasekthanks, everyone!17:03
ogra_thanks17:03
stgraberthanks!17:03
barrythanks!17:03
jodhthanks!17:06
xnoxcheers.17:09
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