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| r4y | I need help with saving a file to a floppy disk. I see the floppy disk drive but I can't open it, and it has been years since I last used a floppy disk drive. It says: Unable to mount location No media in the drive | 02:25 |
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| r4y | I just tried another floppy disk and it says the same thing | 02:26 |
| r4y | In disk utility it says smart staus not supported. Perhaps I need to turn smart of? | 02:27 |
| r4y | status not staus | 02:28 |
| r4y | Well it couldn't hurt since I had smart on this motherboard turned off before. Bye | 02:28 |
| escott | i love the idea of a floppy with SMART. that would be awesome | 02:30 |
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| yeehi | Just installed Gnome. I know wireless card works ok with free software and the wireless router signal is ok. I cannot reach internet. NetworkManger.conf has be set to managed=true and restarted. It says wireless is unavailable in network manager gnome. Aeroplane mode is off. Wireless is set to on. No wireless networks have been detected. How can I get to the internet? | 04:31 |
| holstein | yeehi: i would hardwire and search for firmware | 04:47 |
| yeehi | thanks, holstein - this wireless card doesn't need special firmware - it runs on Trisquel, the fully free version of Ubuntu | 04:51 |
| holstein | yeehi: i would try different firmware, kernels... i would test with live CD's | 04:52 |
| holstein | yeehi: i would connect via wired to troublewhoot | 04:52 |
| holstein | shoot* | 04:53 |
| holstein | yeehi: i would setup an open wifi access point | 04:53 |
| yeehi | oh - a different kernel might work! Good idea. will try wired connection too | 04:53 |
| holstein | yeehi: also, trisquel is not ubuntu | 04:53 |
| holstein | yeehi: you might want to try ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu if just for troublshooting purposes to aide setting up trisquel, assuming you get no help from the trisquel community | 04:54 |
| yeehi | trisquel runs fine, holstein. (I am actually trying to run Wheezy Debian Gnome at the moment, but don't know the debian community well - Ubuntu people I know are helpful) | 04:55 |
| holstein | yeehi: sure.. its just helpful for us to help you if you are actually using ubuntu | 04:56 |
| holstein | yeehi: im not getting into what "better" or what runs "fine" or not.. just that ubuntu has kernels.. im familiar with them.. i dont know anything about trisquel | 04:56 |
| holstein | yeehi: it literally wont hurt to fire up a live CD.. if it works, you can see what is loaded and learn how to support the device in most any linux | 04:57 |
| yeehi | trisquel uses the libre kernels - same as linux, but with no binary blobs, holstein | 04:57 |
| holstein | yeehi: they are *not* the same | 04:57 |
| holstein | yeehi: ubuntu ships no proprietary blobs | 04:58 |
| holstein | yeehi: again, it literaly will not hurt you to try it.. otherwise, you'll need to familiarize yourself with those communities | 04:58 |
| yeehi | it does ship blobs, holstein, ubuntu uses the standard linux kernel, which has blobs | 04:58 |
| holstein | yeehi: nope | 04:58 |
| holstein | yeehi: either way, we dont need to argure about this | 04:59 |
| holstein | yeehi: the kernels are *not* the same.. and the operating systems are diferent | 04:59 |
| yeehi | i am confident that there are blobs in the kernel ubuntu ships with, holstein | 04:59 |
| holstein | yeehi: im *not* suggesting you need to use ubuntu.. nor that it is better | 04:59 |
| holstein | yeehi: im suggesting as a troubleshooting step, you load a live CD.. | 04:59 |
| yeehi | for linux kernels without blobs you can go here: http://jxself.org/linux-libre/ | 04:59 |
| holstein | yeehi: i am positive ubuntu doesnt ship proprietary software | 05:00 |
| holstein | yeehi: we on the ubuntustuio team are not allowed to ship codecs or blobs... for anything.. out of the box | 05:00 |
| holstein | yeehi: that comes from high up | 05:00 |
| holstein | yeehi: again.. nothing we need to debate | 05:00 |
| holstein | yeehi: im not saying you should.. im saying in order to get support in an ubuntu support channel, you should try ubuntu on the hardware | 05:00 |
| yeehi | you are right, holstein, no proprietary software, but binary blobs are different - they are "open source", ie we can see the binary code, but it is un-intelligible, therefore not free | 05:01 |
| holstein | yeehi: again.. nothing to debate | 05:01 |
| holstein | yeehi: those are not in by default | 05:01 |
| holstein | yeehi: and, it literally will not hurt you to try a live CD and see how the software is supported | 05:01 |
| yeehi | yes, holstein, it was a bit cheeky of me to ask for help on the ubuntu-beginners channel, but ubuntu is debian based and i feel like a noob, so ubuntu people might have mercy on me :) | 05:02 |
| holstein | yeehi: i do | 05:02 |
| holstein | yeehi: im asking you to load a live CD so i can have an idea of whats going on | 05:02 |
| yeehi | a live cd of debian? | 05:02 |
| holstein | yeehi: ubuntu.. | 05:02 |
| holstein | if it works in ubuntu, you can likely find out why easy enough | 05:03 |
| yeehi | i have done that already, holstein - ubuntu runs ok and connects to internet with quantal | 05:03 |
| holstein | yeehi: so, whast the problem? | 05:03 |
| holstein | yeehi: fire up that live CD, and see what it has that you need in the other operating systems | 05:03 |
| holstein | yeehi: if you are saying "something in ubuntu is a blob that is supporting my hardware, and i dont want to use that blob, i want to use something else to provide support *and* in another operating system".. i dont think any of the volunteers will be willing to learn a new operating system to help you enough | 05:05 |
| yeehi | holstein, thanks for helping me: 1) ubuntu quantal and precise run well and auto connect to wireless on this laptop. the blobs on the linux kernel that these 2 releases ship with are not an influence on whether this laptop connects to the internet. (I know this, as I have used the same kernel, stripped of the blobs and the wireless works ok) | 05:07 |
| holstein | yeehi: then, use that kernel | 05:08 |
| holstein | yeehi: otherwise, its something in those operating systems that you are not configureing properly | 05:08 |
| yeehi | I am using a kernel with blobs at the moment - the blobs are not the issue here | 05:08 |
| holstein | yeehi: i *never* thought any blob was an issue | 05:08 |
| yeehi | i agree, holstein - you never thought blobs were an issue for me, though I think you did say that ubuntu does not come with non-free software, when I believe that in fact it does, namely, the kernel, which has blobs. | 05:10 |
| yeehi | But anyway, I will go check out with Gnome/Debian people. They will have had more experience with this particular issue, I think | 05:11 |
| holstein | yeehi: i still say they are opensource.. i politely disagree with your asscessment of the blobs | 05:11 |
| yeehi | open source does not equal free. | 05:11 |
| holstein | yeehi: they are free or not.. we cant include non free. and they are inclued | 05:11 |
| holstein | yeehi: cool.. hope you get it sorted! | 05:12 |
| yeehi | thanks holstein! It is good to be able to chat with somebody that cares! | 05:12 |
| yeehi | If i see you later when I get it going, i will let you know :) | 05:12 |
| holstein | well, you have it "going" in 12.10 and 12.40 ubuntu.. but cheers to you with debian | 05:13 |
| holstein | 12.04* | 05:13 |
| holstein | yeehi: i have more/better information about the blobs.. not sure if you actually need one | 05:29 |
| holstein | those blobs are needed to be sent to talk to the hardware | 05:30 |
| holstein | if you need it, you'll need it on whatever OS | 05:30 |
| holstein | if you dont, then its configuration | 05:30 |
| holstein | there is nothing software you can do to need the blobs less | 05:30 |
| holstein | they are what they are, and if you need them, you need them | 05:30 |
| yeehi | Thanks, holstein | 05:31 |
| bodhizazen | 'lo yeehi and coolbhavi | 06:16 |
| bodhizazen | hey holstein , how goes ? | 06:16 |
| coolbhavi | hello bodhi_zazen | 06:17 |
| coolbhavi | how is it going? | 06:17 |
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| PhysicsBrain | Hello? Can I make a question? | 23:53 |
| PhysicsBrain | Hello guys! I've aproblem with the "sudo". Posteriorly i did edited /etc/sudoers/, i can not do nothing as sudo user. Exist in anywhere a file "sudoers" backup, to just put in there? | 23:53 |
| PhysicsBrain | Can anybody help me? | 23:54 |
| holstein | PhysicsBrain: you want to edit the file from a live CD? or the recovery root console? | 23:55 |
| PhysicsBrain | I would like edit in the graphic mode, normal! can you understand? | 23:56 |
| holstein | PhysicsBrain: the live CD is "normal" | 23:57 |
| PhysicsBrain | I need to a recuperation of the file "sudoers" because i broken the existent and cant's do nothing as a sudo user! | 23:57 |
| holstein | PhysicsBrain: that should also be on the live CD | 23:58 |
| PhysicsBrain | i have the 12.04 LTS live CD and I'm using the 12.10 QQ, I can use it? | 23:59 |
| holstein | PhysicsBrain: to edit the file? sure | 23:59 |
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